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@japaneseapoist286
@japaneseapoist286 11 месяцев назад
What proto Indo-Iranian(Aryan) developed: 1. Aspect Different from proto Germanic, Proto-indo iranian keep PIE 3 aspect develop the forth aspect "Future aspect" derived from the desiderable verb. Avestan has the inchoative aspect. 2. Passive and Middle voice In the present aspect, the Aryan language developed the passive voice derived from the intransive verb, also the developed the middle voice in the perfect aspect. 3. Keep the derivational verb Difference from other indo-european languiage, the Aryan language keep the causative, desiderative and intenseive. Vedic sanskrit made the form of aorist and future for these verb. Conclusion, this language compared from the proto-germanic, keep the archic form and preserve more archaic word and developed the grammar.
@newestflameneverdies
@newestflameneverdies 13 дней назад
@@japaneseapoist286Fascinating
@Kurdnetew
@Kurdnetew 11 месяцев назад
As a Kurdish speaker, I understood many words
@Mehr_Qoutes
@Mehr_Qoutes 10 месяцев назад
You can listen balóchi langauge words, That are mostly simler to kurdish
@EmaSkyeFan2008
@EmaSkyeFan2008 9 месяцев назад
Same :P I'm Kurdish too
@Moh_Ka
@Moh_Ka 7 месяцев назад
​@@Mehr_Qoutes they all sound so similar to middle Persian.
@erfan3857
@erfan3857 Месяц назад
I would say modern Iranian languages are so much closer to middle persian comparing to this proto languages ​@@Moh_Ka
@saddasish
@saddasish 11 месяцев назад
This proto language sure loves the [a] sound
@mercianthane2503
@mercianthane2503 11 месяцев назад
prata-languaga
@indianboy59
@indianboy59 11 месяцев назад
Indeeda!
@tiramisu7544
@tiramisu7544 11 месяцев назад
Brugmann’s law
@mercianthane2503
@mercianthane2503 11 месяцев назад
@@tiramisu7544 Bragmanna's Lawa
@Uygar07
@Uygar07 3 месяца назад
Paraataa Andaa Araanayan Lavas Tha lattara a
@autumncold90
@autumncold90 11 месяцев назад
I hope you do Proto-Armenian soon, I love this series so far! 🤩
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 11 месяцев назад
Pamiri Aryan here! Waited for this one because that's how my ancestors apparently spoke
@indianboy59
@indianboy59 11 месяцев назад
Pamiri from Afghanistan, Tajikistan or Uzbekistan?
@Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29
@Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29 5 месяцев назад
There is no pamiri in Uzbekistan i've seen many tajiks but not pamiri tajiks throughout my country
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 5 месяцев назад
@@indianboy59 from Tajikistan
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 5 месяцев назад
@@Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29 there are some in Tashkent and Samarkand originally from Tajikistan who moved there during the Soviets. Very few!
@Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29
@Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29 5 месяцев назад
@@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb thank you for information could you tell me what the difference is between tajiks and pamiris
@bacicinvatteneaca
@bacicinvatteneaca 11 месяцев назад
Amazing how one can already hear the salient characteristics of Hindustani languages! Good job pronouncing it!
@Davlavi
@Davlavi 11 месяцев назад
Love the old language videos.
@lewislllouis3877
@lewislllouis3877 11 месяцев назад
Can you do Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit!
@HyperBoreana-mf4ql
@HyperBoreana-mf4ql Месяц назад
as an austrian, i understood both of them perfectly. this is because i speak english & i read the english subtitles.
@erfan3857
@erfan3857 Месяц назад
😂
@stegotyranno4206
@stegotyranno4206 11 месяцев назад
the PII reconstruction shown here is more close to actual PIE than your PIE reconstruction.
@mysteriumvitae5338
@mysteriumvitae5338 11 месяцев назад
Proto-Indo-Iranian has more open vowels as a striking feature. Especially more /a/ phonemes. This is what is pretty prominent in Sanskrit, too. The "chatwari" of Proto-Indo-Iranian is very interesting - exactly like in Sanskrit.
@bletwort2920
@bletwort2920 2 месяца назад
What's more striking is PIE only having e and o vowels.
@zuzufever
@zuzufever 11 месяцев назад
Will there be Proto Iranian or/and Proto Indo Aryan too
@erfan3857
@erfan3857 Месяц назад
Yes
@askarufus7939
@askarufus7939 4 месяца назад
The proto indo iranian numbers are more similar to slavic numbers than the european ones
@CVery45
@CVery45 26 дней назад
Slavic languages are European
@gravettian1235
@gravettian1235 5 дней назад
That is probably because Proto-Balto-Slavic and Proto-Indo-Iranian are both satem languages, and Western European languages are centum languages.
@Mehr_Qoutes
@Mehr_Qoutes 10 месяцев назад
Balochi (Balochistan) language is also an iranian language, That is more simler to kurdish, Pashtu and Persian.
@yasagarwal859
@yasagarwal859 11 месяцев назад
nice video there is an error there are places where we will have H in proto indo Iranian and aspirates in proto indo European
@premroymathematicsclasses1969
@premroymathematicsclasses1969 11 месяцев назад
Sankrit Persian Sapta Haft (7) Sahasra Hezaar (1000) Dasha Dah (10) Vasanta Bahaar (Spring) Sam Ham [with,both(prefix)] Svasr Xahar (Sister)
@yasagarwal859
@yasagarwal859 11 месяцев назад
@@premroymathematicsclasses1969 ik that since proto Iranian went under s to h I'm talking about the H which was kept in places and the aspirations which both languages had
@ibrohimh9976
@ibrohimh9976 11 месяцев назад
@@premroymathematicsclasses1969 Tajik language 🇹🇯🇺🇿🇮🇷
@commanderjnm2008
@commanderjnm2008 10 месяцев назад
As much as they are related via their closely related vocabulary, Proto-Indo-European still has some extreme differences from Proto-Indo-Iranian, especially in terms of sharp phonetic differences. If you time-travelled, and got a Proto-Indo-European speaker to converse with a Proto-Iranian speaker, there would still be misunderstandings as the Proto-Indo-Euro speaker would be confused by the sound changes which have occured by the time Proto-Iranian languages fully took root. I mean, there would still probably be some mutual intelligibility between the two, but they would both have had to speak slowly and clearly with each other, and give each other phonetic-change pointers and time to think a bit in between sentences, and only then would they be able to have a smooth conversation. Otherwise, the PIE native speaker from 3000 B.C, if he/she time travelled to 2200 B.C Iran (800 years later), there would be communication problems even if some words seem familiar to the other. It would be like an Old Aenglisc Anglo-Saxon speaker from the 6th century CE hearing a Proto-Germanic speaker from the 1st century, relatable, but still different somewhat.
@newestflameneverdies
@newestflameneverdies 7 месяцев назад
Same case applies to the Celtic, Germanic, Italic and Balto-Slavic branches to Proto-Indo-European
@user-xo1jh3xh9p
@user-xo1jh3xh9p 7 месяцев назад
Indo Europeans weren’t in Iran 2200 BC. Proto Iranian language came to Iran only in 1000 BC.
@GyanGazm
@GyanGazm 11 месяцев назад
A language always keeps evolving and goes away from its original form while keeping the basic skeleton. As someone who speaks 3 Indo-iranian and 1 Indo-european languages, I am able to understand both the proto forms but maybe i will not be able to understand evolved forms of them like the germen from endo-europian family. I can speak Hindustani(Hindi-Urdu),Marathi,Kokani and off course English. i studied sanskrit for 4 years when i was in high school. I wont claim to understand Sanskrit completely since its a very rich language but i am familiar with the basics.
@newestflameneverdies
@newestflameneverdies 7 месяцев назад
Indo-Iranian languages are Indo-European. So you speak four Indo-European languages. Three are from the Indo-Aryan group (Hindustani: Hindi and Urdu, Marathi and Kokani) of the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European language family and one is from the Germanic branch (English) of the Indo-European language family.
@Сергей200
@Сергей200 11 месяцев назад
I suggest comparison PIE and Proto-Balto-Slavic. The earliest form of baltic and slavic languages
@Ssj4vegeta212
@Ssj4vegeta212 11 месяцев назад
E became A
@thyroton_764
@thyroton_764 10 месяцев назад
Please make Proto Balto Slavic and Proto Indo Iranian
@michaeldaconceicao1041
@michaeldaconceicao1041 11 месяцев назад
I can't wait to learn these languages.
@Someoneforsure944
@Someoneforsure944 5 месяцев назад
Fun fact:- They both are reconstructed languages. This is the most obvious thing ik.
@shauilleaux1734
@shauilleaux1734 11 месяцев назад
Very cool!, First comment!
@AereForst
@AereForst 4 месяца назад
I’m hearing retroflexed consonants in Indo-Iranian, but I think this is a mistake. I believe the retroflexed consonants became a feature of Indo-Aryan because of contact with indigenous aboriginal languages in the Gangetic Plains. Avestan does not have this feature and it should according to this video since it is a scion of Indo Iranian
@premroymathematicsclasses1969
@premroymathematicsclasses1969 11 месяцев назад
🇮🇷❤️🇵🇰❤️🇮🇳
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 11 месяцев назад
🇹🇯🇹🇯🇹🇯 don't forget your little Aryan brother
@ibrohimh9976
@ibrohimh9976 11 месяцев назад
@@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Iranians are genetic not Aryan
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 11 месяцев назад
@@ibrohimh9976 I am Pamiri and we are 100 % R1a1 in Pamirs and we are IRANIC ARYANS
@ibrohimh9976
@ibrohimh9976 11 месяцев назад
@@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb R1a and R1b are not Aryan, not Iranian, etc.
@ibrohimh9976
@ibrohimh9976 11 месяцев назад
@@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb only R1a- Z93 is Aryan
@averagebodybuilder
@averagebodybuilder 10 месяцев назад
Strange. In PII the word for wool is ur?na. This is similar to the urdu word oon. But the persian word for wool is pasham.
@bletwort2920
@bletwort2920 3 месяца назад
Yes in Hindi un comes from Prakrit unna from Sanskrit urna. It's cognate with English wool.
@sohrabamiri7917
@sohrabamiri7917 3 месяца назад
What is mean the proto?
@brian0902
@brian0902 3 месяца назад
"Proto" is a Greek prefix, meaning "first" or "original/originator." In linguistics, it's used to denote a reconstructed ancestral form of a language or language family. Therefore, "Proto-Indo-European" refers to the originator of Indian and European languages though it is a bit vague as ether language outside India and Europe are in the language family the languages are specifically Iranian, North Indian languages, and languages in Europe that are not Uralic, Turkic, Basque, Caucasian, and some of Semitic origin, which are not Indo-European. However, the Caucasian language Armenian is, in fact, Indo-European. We can further categorize Indo-European into a branch called Proto-Indo-Iranian, which is the originator of North Indian and Iranian languages.
@robleyusuf2566
@robleyusuf2566 14 дней назад
This languages are dialects of a one language. They are intellegible
@Sameer-wf3fc
@Sameer-wf3fc 2 месяца назад
Both sound similar as root for both is same. But, Vedic sanskrit is a completely different language abs has no relationship with these languages.
@InAeternumRomaMater
@InAeternumRomaMater 11 месяцев назад
We are one strong people, the strongest of the world💪💪💪
@axpowrt3456
@axpowrt3456 11 месяцев назад
Who?
@MegaJellyNelly
@MegaJellyNelly 11 месяцев назад
Everyone is equally strong
@InAeternumRomaMater
@InAeternumRomaMater 11 месяцев назад
@@MegaJellyNelly Said by the average LGBT support😂
@InAeternumRomaMater
@InAeternumRomaMater 11 месяцев назад
@@axpowrt3456 We, the Aryans. Proto-Indo-Iranians are as well Aryans💪
@paiwanhan
@paiwanhan 11 месяцев назад
dwoh and dwaH are so similar to Austronesian's duwa.
@flavmendrikaja3784
@flavmendrikaja3784 11 месяцев назад
Yes, they do seem similar even though they are also completely different. two PIE: *d(u)wóH → dos, dó, two, dva, dýo, ... PAN: *duSa → PMP *duha → duha, du(w)a, loro, roa, hugua, eru, ...
@thyroton_764
@thyroton_764 11 месяцев назад
There's no proof that Austronesian and Indo European shares common ancestry. They totally differs culturewise and physiology wise. Maybe it's just a coincidence that the Indo Europeans and Austronesians have a similar word for number 2.
@flavmendrikaja3784
@flavmendrikaja3784 11 месяцев назад
@@thyroton_764 I agree with you. Some scientists believe though that Proto-Austronesian may have a relationship with Proto-Austroasiatic, but the proofs are not conclusive.
@brian0902
@brian0902 5 месяцев назад
I don't know about duwa, but, by the way, languages like Indonesian and surrounding languages have adopted many Sanskrit words. In fact, their number 8, 'asta,' comes from Sanskrit 'aṣṭa.' If you want, there's a wiki on the various Indic loanwords in Indonesian. It's a pretty big list! 😅
@ibrohimh9976
@ibrohimh9976 11 месяцев назад
why does Proto-Indo-Iranian sound like Latin?
@pvn271
@pvn271 11 месяцев назад
Because Latin came from it, like a great grand child
@ibrohimh9976
@ibrohimh9976 11 месяцев назад
@@pvn271 these languages should not sound like Latin
@pvn271
@pvn271 11 месяцев назад
@@ibrohimh9976 what why ? Latin came from this family
@ibrohimh9976
@ibrohimh9976 11 месяцев назад
@@pvn271 Latin and Iranian , etc. belong to the Yamnaya language family
@bacicinvatteneaca
@bacicinvatteneaca 11 месяцев назад
@@pvn271 Latin came from PIE, not Proto Indo Iranian. They're cousins, not father and son
@shivaanrambally9611
@shivaanrambally9611 7 месяцев назад
Why does it sound so similar to Sanskrit😭
@atrydetalisgard4467
@atrydetalisgard4467 6 месяцев назад
This is because Sanskrit is a language descended from Proto-Indo-Aryan
@atrydetalisgard4467
@atrydetalisgard4467 6 месяцев назад
And Sanskrit is a language related to Portuguese, English, Welsh, Russian, Latvian, Albanian, Latin, Greek, German etc.
@bletwort2920
@bletwort2920 3 месяца назад
It sounds like a Sanskrit speaker burnt his tongue while drinking a cup of hot tea
@sutriyana2201
@sutriyana2201 7 месяцев назад
Javanese Ekå Dwi Tri Catůr Påncå Sat Saptå Asthå Nåwå > Nawa ? Dåså
@Emperor-ofRome
@Emperor-ofRome 5 месяцев назад
Because of Sanskrit influence and Hinduism and Buddhism Scriptures
@user-fl1dc9ju3g
@user-fl1dc9ju3g 11 месяцев назад
Proto-Indo-Iranian has SUS symbol 💀
@Radnick-ez3px
@Radnick-ez3px 11 месяцев назад
Its not the n@zi symbol, its actually is symbol of mithraeism, an old ancient iranian religion
@OshinAttari
@OshinAttari 8 месяцев назад
In all Historical Places in Iran you can see it It's Symbol Of Indo Iranian People
@soheildian371
@soheildian371 7 месяцев назад
@@OshinAttari we are not indo iranian we are only iranian.
@ancientminds199
@ancientminds199 3 месяца назад
It's a Hindu symbol. Only we use it now
@tocharian_reincarnated
@tocharian_reincarnated 11 месяцев назад
As an iranian i say The whole IE hypothesis is a hoax, it's only indian and iranian languages which are related, slavic, celtic and germanic hellenic are a language family by themselves each alone.
@user-hv7mb3ye2v
@user-hv7mb3ye2v 11 месяцев назад
You can say that, but it doesn't make it true. There is a huge body of evidence from thousands of professional linguists all over the world proving that these languages come from a common ancestor
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 11 месяцев назад
You are crazy! Mother Father brother. Tochter und Schwester. star, stern, setara.. doesn't say anything to you ? and they are hundreds
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 11 месяцев назад
I speak Persian and i live in Poland. If you speak parsi just come here and see how polish is similar to Persian, you will be speechless. And Polish is Slavic. Just one verb to be (bić/budan-jest/hast) is enough to ease your life and learn the language with an advantage
@tocharian_reincarnated
@tocharian_reincarnated 11 месяцев назад
@@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb yes! True... but some basic words of any language which are held to be loanwords doesn't make all these a family. There are some words in arabic which are close to english like Qorab=crow, kahf=cave, eye=ein But does this make Semitic relating to IE? also 'àb' in arabic means father and in korean a similar word aba! while two languages have different roots...!
@tocharian_reincarnated
@tocharian_reincarnated 11 месяцев назад
@@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb whit all respect to poles, there are less relaions between slavic and aryan languages other than Germanic ones... Germanic have the potential to be related to Aryan languages but not balto_slavic, the grammar is far enough different to aryan..
@Girl_Of_Renaissance3119
@Girl_Of_Renaissance3119 Месяц назад
Love from India Bengal 🟧⬜☘️
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