I've been DJing for good 8 years and the flexibility is almost too much to wrap my head around. Great work Pioneer. Just hoping they can do more work on that separation algorithm.
still no dedicated Sound Color Fx Parameter Knob , still no background lighted Shift Button , still no Vinyl Speed Adjust Knob , still no Clubstandard Look of Mixer Section execpt for the small Beat Fx Channel select Light wow ...and the Stems sounds terrible in RB even ... too much price for too less realy useful Upgrades in my Opionion .
Such a shame they choose that horrible Jog Wheel pattern, Is it to make the CDJ's seem more premium? Dont see myself changing to this due to them from my 1000
I switched last year from Traktor to Denon Engine IOS and their standalone controllers. Mostly due to the convenience of not using a computer and for their music streaming capability over wifi. Traktor is still lacking features compared to the competition and is falling behind all the other DJ software.
The price increase stings a bit, but it does include the DMX controller, not just stems and new FX. PioneerDJ could have just added the basic stems, but they didn't, they expanded it to the FX panel too, a very nice touch. Also DDJ 1000's have been discontinued.
Your review and comparison showing the diff in sound quality w stems amazing that’s what I needed to better understand. So question. You mentioned Pioneer needing to improve their separation engine. Is it fair to assume, that work would happen and improvements could show up on updates of RBX?
I really can't stand pioneer! Definitely the pimps of the industry. What's next the pioneer flex abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz MKll 🙄 oh and a month later it'll be obsolete 😞
Glad I stopped buying pioneer gear 5 years ago and switched to denon. Nothing really innovative again with pioneer and still have to use a laptop in 2023!
I run stand alone in my xz often and can hook to cdjs the industry standard if ever playing big gigs I did like my mxc8000 but my xz is definitely better sound quality as well as effects and overall multi functional abilities
Still hanging on to my Traktor setup, but with new hardware like this and the Rane Four coming out, it gets harder every day not to switch! Love the stems workflow on this and the Rane Four - amazing creative potential. Thanks for another awesome vid Mojaxx! 🙌
I actually switched to Virtual DJ because their Stems are the best at the moment and they eventually become compatible with all of the controllers and hardware in the market. I love traktor and wish they would partner with 3rd party providers such as Pioneer and Denon but it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen so now I use VDJ and Rekordbox and moved on from Traktor. The only thing I miss is my remix decks.
@@SantinoP619 There might be a way to do it better. But most of you fail at using it properly anyway, so why worry about it. I can still play effectively on 1200's with a basic mixer not a 72. You guys use lots of this stuff as crutches for your lack of skill.
As far as Rane vs Pioneer. I fell in love with flicking my fx on the given channel like s9 ect that the fx set up in the bottom corner and having to continuously change the channel to trigger fx makes me like the rane better.
After just buying a 1000 SRT after waiting 9 months its frustrating to see a new replacement for that controller come out so soon. Although after watching your video apart from more Stems functionality im struggling to see what more the FLX10 can offer over my 1000SRT. Something to ponder for now but i'm holding off upgrading
Better sound quality would be the only other reason that really matters I think (which for me, is a pretty big deal) The ddj 1000/SRT doesn't sound very good, so if they made a big improvement there, that should be worth the extra couple hundo for ya. But on the other side, USB B is way more secure than USB C inputs. If your USB C cable gets moved a little too hard, it can disconnect way too easy and that's a total party killer.
I recently switched from djay pro to serato mainly because I wanted to use the rane 4. The work flow is similar but I do miss being able to use multiple streaming platforms at the same time and adding streaming tracks to my crates hopefully these features will eventually come to serato but I can see myself switching back if djay starts fully supporting the rane 4.
I was a HUGE fan of Pioneer....until the Rane 4 came out. The paddle FX are much better, as well as the implementation of the one button stem split feature. Also, the Oled screens above the pads are a game changer. I can't see myself using another controller without it
Same, I was DDJ-SX, then upgraded to the DDJ100srt after waiting months for it to come, but didnt like the FX workflow, now I've ordered the RANE four... I need to sell my SX and DDJ-1000SRT now!
@@seb4213 that’s funny, I also had a DDJ-SX until my Rane Four arrived last week. Used it for 10 years without any issue! If not for the new Stems, I probably wouldn’t have upgraded it either because it still works like a champ lol
I was/am team Serato but switched to Rekordbox because the playlist feature allowed me to leave my laptop behind at a lot of club gigs where I’d always run into a pair of pioneer CDJs. No Serato Face. And the less I have to carry to a gig the better. If I’m playing video which I do a fair bit whilst streaming from home I like the feature set found in Serato Video. You’ve got another banga review video here Mojaxx! ✊🏽
I think the only real reason I would sell my 1000SRT is if Sound Switch adds the FLX10 as a supported DMX controller, the rest of the upgrades are nice, especially the sound, jog display view, and jog response. But the rest is basically the same, either way I do want to try it out my self, maybe then I´ll want to just change to the FLX10.
Im starting and want to be able to play in the clubs Equipment but buying cdj3000 is out of my budget so what is better? And xdj xz or this one with an ipad ?
Brilliant video! I was a superclub DJ for 17 years and was one of the first adopters of playing / mixing MP3's in 2000, we got laughed at back then. Was one of the first to use the original CDJ's and was honoured to have pioneer come to the club one night to ask us what features we'd like to see added. I said, "imagine if you could plug in a USB with all your tracks on it" The industry has changed so much. I haven't dj'd since 2011 but looking to get one of these to "play"
I've always stayed on Traktor since it came out in the early 2000s. Although it has lagged behind in recent years (at some point it was basically abandonware) it still offers more than enough for my basic DJ needs. Got to say though, stems are finally getting there since Traktor introduced them over a decade ago. I really hope Traktor will come with an update on their stems functionality although I'm afraid that will end up behind their horrible subscription paywall.
Yep, Traktors new subscription model sucks. Also their hardware is starting to feel out of date, so controllers like this Pioneer could make some people jump ship!
@@cloony1 The problem with Traktor is its .always coming "Soon" while other DJ softwares are on their "Toes"...Traktor is on its "Heals" . I have their subscription service and the only tangible thing we got in 9-12 months is a "pattern player" and compression. It seems like they aren't listening to what DJ's want. I will be cancelling my subscription prior to it renewing shortly
@@cloony1 That would be unacceptable. Since they have actually become very useful, stems should be considered now as key functionality within all modern DJ software. Like integration with streaming services was in the past few years. Not just some optional premium paywall feature.
@ntokozohlatshwayo165 You can laugh all you like. I own the Infinity license, so there's no real valid point in switching to another software like Serato....which I have tried out a couple times & I didn't care for it. In the end, it comes down to personal preference & I always choose Virtual DJ. It's just better, especially with stems processing 😉👍
Rane all day long. Better sound,better build, better stem separation work flow, IEC power cable, OLED screen labels on pads. Rane wins this round in many ways.
I was expecting something that would take full control of Serato Stems, but the FLX10 doesn't do that for Serato... I think Rane Four does a better job...
This is honestly the controller I have been waiting for. I got the FLX-6 and was really pleased when it came out, as I feel it was targeted at my skill group, that being decently intermediate. Plenty of pro performance level tools to use, but still simple enough to really learn and get comfortable. But as I have used it more and more, and also used more club style CDJ set ups more and more, I really yearn for those kinds of features on the FLX-6, and this controller fits all of them. Which is really cool. Definitely going to be looking at picking one of these up!
I feel exactly the same. Bought the FLX6 when it came out. Even though it works fine, it feels a bit crippled when used to the pro gear. The fx just work slightly different and become annoying. Also thinking of selling it and throw in (a lot) extra cash and order the FLX 10. It has everything I want and more 😊
I feel like the most selfish DJ on earth.... All I want is a standalone DDJ1000 with a 9 inch screen on the top. With same jog wheels. Stem stuff is excellent for evolving DJs, this unit is like . We listened abit. But we think this is better😢😢😢😢😢😮😮😮😮😮, I can't really get excited about this unit unfortunately.
I guess that’s their angle - suppose there wouldn’t be much point to ever fork out on the mega expensive cdj set ups if they cover everything we want though a controller
LIFE LONG SERATO DJ then purchased the 1000 which was incredible.. RB was made for the 1000.. but RB were just missing a few features (user friendly). I tested the SRT version which was absolute trash.. (rip off) IMO money grab lol… i own a REV7 which i love but the flx10 might have to be an addition now that it offers the 1000RB quality build.
Serato to Engine to Traktor for me. I was looking for my perfect setup having tried controllers and standalone and went down the separates route. I now have xone 96 mixer, 2 turntables and 2 X1 MK2 controllers. I wasn’t precious about software, rather the hardware was the key decision for me.
Wow! Great review and love that Pioneer FLX 10 hit the right note. When I started DJing, I use Virtual DJ on the WEGO 4. That was my first controller. I like with VDJ was doing. It was a great software to use if you are learning the basics. I knew if I wanted to play out using the pro DJ gear I had to use Rekorbox. I upgraded to the DDJ 400 for that purpose. As much as Serato and other DJ software are improving, I prefer to stick with RB. I have been using it since my upgrade to the DDJ 400 and currently using the DDJ800. I wonder if Pioneer tends on upgrading it.
Oof. I think unless I can get acaps….idk, I won’t say stems is a fad but more of a sub-genre. But, as much as I’d like an all in one unit, I like this more than the Opus and I feel like I need to grow beyond my Denon MC7000 and I want to at least get used to using Rekordbox and Pioneer.
The success or at the very least the initial success would be heavily dependent on how well the RB and Serato features would be integrated Pioneer most likely knew that their version of stems was not on par with serato and VDJ and by making two separate controllers would likely highlight that even more. The RB stems to my knowledge have not been widely advertised so if I was an RB user and purchased this controller would have been annoyed at how far behind RB stems currently are unlike the opus the flx 10 has less computing power thus it is a worry that updates to bring the RB stems more upto date could take months if not years given that VDJ and Serato will only continue to improve it not to mention Engine DJ is yet to throw their hand in and Engine has evolved so quickly it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Engine could be a stems front runner. This controller looks more cheap than the 1000srt in my view not a fan of the change to jog wheel edge, however pioneer will sell a lot of these controllers and i think if you’re a serato user you will be the happier compared to a RB at launch.
Great review Mojaxx. Thanks for the stems demo on both platforms. The price great! Have you had a chance to play on a decent sound system with it? Hopefully the sound card is great. I used Traktor before I switched to serato. Their Stems were the bests I ever heard. They used a different Audio format for them. However, if you made Traktor Stems yourself, it required 3rd party software. The results were shotty at best in my opinion. I’m sure rekordbox will tighten up their stems algorithm. Will be interesting to watch it all play out between different dj software, now that rekordbox is in the mix. (No pun intended)
Serato stems are great, VDJ is ahead though (but required a GPU for live work). What I'd love to see is a format where stems can be precomputed by whatever software and read by rekordbox/serato as a standard. Flac has 5.1 and 7.1 formats for surround, so basically 4 stems could fit in the 7.1 format. Just needs to be decoded correctly. That way it doesn't require heavy CPU.
Amazing, shame the stems sound terrible otherwise I'd be in. Like, I wouldn't play that to a crowd, and I'd be saying "is the sound system broken?" or "did this guy rip this off RU-vid" if I was listening. I use all of the software depending on the gig, but for Stems its Virtual DJ.
I love the way you break out all this into easy to follow bits. But you still blew my mind with the stems mapping options. That is going to allow so much awesome flexibility. I can't wait to see what happens as imaginations run with this..
This is getting closer to what I'm looking for. Still not happy with the lack of Flip controls from within serato. Would have loved scratch bank. Still prefer capacitive touch jogs, but it seems a solid competitor to the rane 4.
flx-10 make me get a DDJ-1000 even more then ever , it feels kinda gimmicky , hope everyone buy flx-10 and ddj 1000 prices goes down :D and as always thnks for the great video man
Hello...THX for that great "walk through". Q: Can you tell if the audio converters from the DDJ SZ2 are comparable? Which ones are better? It seems to me that my DDJ SZ2 has less power than any newer controllers..?! Thank you in advance, Daniel
Great review as always...I use a DDJ1000 with VDJ 2023 (18 years now with this software) I'm thinking is it worth me selling mine and buying the Flex10? I do like the look of the box, The Opus Prime is outta my league sadley.
Can this controller really truly prepare you for gigs on industry standard CDJ and DJM gear? If not which CDJs and DJm which would prepare me - do I need to blow £7000 on the 3000s and v10 for home practice? I create music and DJ on Technics / DVS and Xone 92. I want to DJ with 2 to 3 decks and use pioneer effects. I’m also interested in stems but not with pioneers current stem quality. Thanks
Mojaxx's reviews are always good but probably a personal best for me at least is acusing Rekordbox Lighting as abandonware spot on and I'm really upset because the potential is incredible so wasted :(.
This looks dope! I started with VDJ cause somebody gave it to me. Got good with that but as I started getting more professional DJ friends I saw ALL of them used Serato so I naturally joined them and have not looked back!!! The only way outside of Serato that I would want to get better with us just CDJs straight up with the mixer. Passed that ain’t nothing touching Serato in my mind lol
In my case i started on vdj, tried serato and went right back cause serato just wasn't as reliable in a few ways for me. Today VDJ has the best stems .... and if it was added to the vid when the comparisons were made it would hv shown it. Serato has some catchin up to do there but as for rekordbox stems... it's worse.
I still use VDJ there is no advantage to Serato that sounds like you bought because others had it. VDJ is very much the go to software for working DJ's. It does video before the others added it, Karaoke and DVS. It has a great stems engine. That is fine until I see some better examples than I've seen it's not that important. Most of you need to work on your craft more than adding more technology. I have been DJ'ing since 1986, do the math.
Agreed. I have the free version of rekordbox just to analyze my files for when I'm playing out on a system where they have rekordbox decks. Otherwise I use serato for my personal use and have all the features I need without having to continuously pay like I would with rekordbox. It looks like you can't even record your mixes with rekordbox unless you're in one of the pay categories. For that alone I'll stick with serato
@@dj4monie I’m happy it’s working for you. I moved over because Serato was, and really still is, the professional standard and I liked it better lol. Rekordbox (program) is the other standard at this point too for laptop DJing. I have nothing against VDJ but I have never seen anyone use it in any situation other than bedroom DJing and very small events. It’s like the google pixel of the DJ world: Actually pretty good, may have features first, but only a select few really care about it. Serato did an Apple with the stems and didn’t do it first but did it better when they debuted it. Again, this is the opinion from a DJ in Atlanta, GA whose been spinning from 2007. Your area may vary.
Yo, what song is playing here kinda catchy, and btw, the stems are cool but the execution rn is kinda wonky especially in the software side, but hopefully they'll get to work on the improvements
Great vid as always thanx Mojaxx! I've been a long time Serato (Denon) user who recently upgraded to the Pioneer DDJ RX3 & Reckordbox. It was a head fuck trying to learn & navigate Reckordbox which I did but found it personally cluttered and overwhelming. I've sine sold that unit and gone back to using my Denon MC4000 as I like the simplicity yet power of Serato. I think when I do upgrade next it might well be the Rane 4 or I love the look and feel of the Denon SC5000/6000 perhaps with a rotary mixer...!?
😮 Pioneer is officially a lone survivor pioneer with this FLEX 10 😊 i bet this controller will set the standard for Legendary DJs. 😱🤑 Prion Jo ni good job sir 🤯 thank you 🙏🏼🥵😁🥰
Thanks for the vid, interesting stuff! I moved from Traktor to Rekordbox about 2 years back. Used Traktor for about 10 years, first with timecode vinyl, then CDs, then CDJs in HID mode. Switched to rekordbox cos HID support for Traktor was missing on a lot of Pioneer CDJs and devices I'd encounter in clubs/at events. Haven't looked back for me Rekordbox works great, I've the DDJ1000 and it's just simple moving between it and HID mode on the CDJs when I'm out. Glad to see this supports Serato too, more open hardware/software is always better. Looks great, but for me the DDJ1000 still does enough so probably won't upgrade.
I'm upgraded from my flx 4 and am stuck between the flx 10 and getting the rx3. I love that the rx3 has the ability to go usb, but all the new features on the flx10 seem so cool. What would yall suggest?
New gear every min dj gear as become like the iphone its a joke Miss the days of my 1210s and a mixer when things where real Had a pair of 1210s for like 20 years Gone now But in the new era ive had cdj 1000 mk2 cdj 800mk2 and now a ddj 1000 in a space of how many years Its a joke The 1210 was like a guitar and thats how it should of been but its the new piooner this and that 2 years after its the new that Next you have piooner will make a deck wat talks to you And ive tryed denons not all maybe the rane sould become the boss 😎
I have been rekordbox user since I started. First I had a ddj-400, but I got a Denon DJ Prime Go instead now, however, still using rekordbox as source because it in my opinion has the best library management (I use tagging and intelligent playlists associated with the tags). I love the Prime Go and that it can read rekordbox library, use streaming services, run engine lighting etc, but effects arent great and I would like something to scratch on comfortably as well. FLX10 could be the alternative controller for me.
Was on Traktor for 7 years but moved to Rekordbox in 2017 with the launch of the RX2. Used to play in export mode with pro dj link but fully moved to USB in 2018
Rane Four all day. Better sound, better build, better stem work flow, IEC cable, OLED screens to label the pads... I'm really not sure what this does better.
