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I love how you've taken the time here to really break down (at times, literally) the PLC-CRSS12. This, like your tech livestreams, is very helpful in overviewing/reviewing gear and helping me make buying decisions. This product is super slick and very functional. I do everything with Algoriddim djay on a Mac, and while it may eventually receive official support, this turntable makes me willing to learn the ropes of Serato and/or Rekordbox. Thank you, CT. Pioneer definitely made the right call sending you these to review!
we would have needed this 15 years ago when vinyl got threatened by digital... instead, mp3/controllers took over... and now that even most of the vinyl djs have switched to controllers, they come up with a hybrid... it's nice, but kinda a joke to us OG vinyl djs after all these years... you really think clubs will place hybrids in their venues again?! why are wome areas in our world just dominated by bad marketing- and invention timing...?!!! :/ similar thing with the sp404mkII and the sp1200 clones...
These are just what I've been waiting for Terry. I never really liked the Dvs tone phase is brilliant but this I definitely what DJs have been waiting for. Reloop will probably do the same rp1000s or something 😮. Congratulations to Pioneer everyone is going to want these everyone will be one of the best selling turntables of all time. Setting new standards. I was hoping something better than phase would come out and here it is😊😊
Price is high but not outlandish. I could see these taking over at rental companies as an EVERY rider friendly option. That and dentist DJs using them in their man caves.
I think the price tag will be its biggest hurdle for them becoming the standard for every dj .. ideas like this have happened in the past with hybrid tables & cdj's all in one deck but unfortunately it becomes to much of a gimmick and they kill the model after a short while ..i fear these will fall into that same category. plus if i was to spend this amount of money they would never leave my home for fear of damage . kind of defeating the purpose of getting them .
so the Rane 12cmk2s but with a tone arm .Very nice but mad price.A club install that does it all for clubs that use turntables but i recently got the 12s .Had i not i would have got these so i could have everything in one place.Vinyl time code and midi with no need for the tonearm if you do not want to use it.If i had the money i would camp out at the nearest seller until they had a pair but for now its the Rane 12s.
Great Product very innovative i like it, However 😅 I'm not in the Pioneer/Serato universe I'm a Traktor user these are not Traktor compatible (I'm sure mappings will be available. ) but nice 👌
Honestly, I am not convinced. They sure seem like great turntables, especially for home or streaming DJs. If you olay out a lot though, you'd invest in phase anyway. Or just use oldschool timecode vinyl. And for the home DJ that plays mostly digital anyway, two random Super-OEM decks and phase will get you there almost as well for the price of one CRSS12. I guess if money is not that much of a consideration, or you don't like phase for some reason, these are definitely a good but pricey option. (Also, if these decks should ever end up in clubs, you can be sure that the magnetic clamps will almost always have been stolen or lost)
I'm still waiting for the day i dont need to use a laptop with it and having to carry around a heavy bag full of vinyl to use with it. For example it would be nice to see a USB slot and a built in screen for reading playlists
Definitely grabbing a pair of these. I’ve come to hate the limitations with Phase’s battery life and constantly having to reset and calibrate the receiver/remotes to avoid cue drift. These will be a nice upgrade.
Looks cool. But not wasting the money.. my pox 1000s works perfectly fine.. and after my issues with the REV 7 I’m not buying any new pioneer product… I will wait at least an additional year (version 2) of any of their products.. THEY NEED TO RE FOCUS ON QUALITY CONTROL BEFORE RELEASING NEW PRODUCTS.
It's about time the "industry standard" released something game changing! I got so used to them dropping incremental updates or facelifts to existing gear. They just took a traditional turntable, RP 8k, dicer, Twelve, Phase & rolled it all up into 1. Unless you were already exploring the market & weighing out your options, I just don't see it being practical for anyone to drop a boatload of cash for a pair to replace their current rig.
Rane Twelve guy here.... Three things that make me interested in these - 1. Internal mode is once again available which is an upgrade to me over the twelves. If you've ever had girls lean over your turntables to request a track you understand why this is important lol. I also like to use my tables as a spot to set things like my wedding information during important dances. It's really nice to just turn them off. 2. The adjustable magnet is HUGE! Seems like every gig my tables change how they feel based on the humidity of the room. Sometimes I have to put some paper under the spindle in order to make them feel right. It would be so nice to turn a knob. 3. I hate that the twelves stop playing at the end of a song. Sounds like a small thing but I like to use it as a silent cue so I'll jump to the end and use a cue point to drop in. Three things that make me not want to get them - 1. I wish the tone arm was detachable. I'm not going to use it 99% of the time and it's something that can break when on the road. It also can get in the way of the screen and the pitch slider. 2. Extra connections to hook up. With Rane Twelves you only have a USB to connect to the mixer and now you have RCAs as well. Not a massive deal but it is nice to only have to connect a USB. 3. The price. I don't see this as enough of an upgrade for me to make the jump. $2800 is a lot to spend to do what I am already doing. These will be great in clubs though since everyone will be able to use them no matter what kind of DJ you are.
You summed this up nicely. I like that the rane twelves can travel with no tonearm. Meaning lighter and I can use a ‘soft’ case to carry/travel with them.
I'm also a Rane Twelve user. Although I love them, I have had the rapid spin issue happen a few times. It's always unexpected when it happens. I have found a quick way to recover, but I rather not have to be concerned about it. These new turntables may be the antidote. I don't want to use Phase or anything that needs to be charged. Playing my vinyl records or digitally recording them in my library with little effort is huge!
@@BoomDocs14K that is all true. I am curious since you experienced the spinback issues was it with the mki or mkii version? I have seen some say they worked that issue out with the software updates and it had to do with software based on their experiences/research.
@@DJKISSchitown I have the second edition of the MK 1's that I bought 2 months before the mkII came out. One of those buy 1 get another half-price deals. I should have known something new was coming. Anyway, on rare occasions the record will spin super fast. It has happened with the latest version of Serato, but rare. I think it has something to do with the Pitch-n-Time feature in Serato. It's always in use when it happens. My recovery trick is to instant double song to the opposite deck, then unplug the USB cable from my mixer for a few seconds. It will slow back to normal speed, but still obvious that something went wrong. Hopefully, this new Pioneer won't have that issue, but they are still motors being digitally controlled in some modes... #fingersCrossed
Damnit... this is pretty badass. I wish I would of known this prior but I think this will fix my problem between the RANE and the Technic 1200 decision making process. Thx Terry, greatly appreciate your review sir. Btw brother... these damn turntables are damn near half off in tokyo!
@17:35 - the anti-drift OFF was very good calibration - rarely see that with 2 stock 1200's unless I personally just calibrated them with a multimeter - a minute is a good benchmark for drift. Is anyone rocking these with that feature off though in 2023 I would assume those buying this are relying on that lock.
So what is the big plus here? Take your 1210's (if you have them), Dicers and PHASE, and you have nearly the same Set. If you do not have 1210's buy 2 Reloops 8000 MK 2's for less the Price of 1 Pioneer (and additionally PHASE) and you have more Pad Options... If somethings fails... put your Dicers, PHASES on another TT, cause if somethings fails on a not tested new Pioneer... your dead... ;-) It would have been innovative, if you could use usb sticks like on any Pioneer Media Players today... So you stuck on Notebook.. Also: Anybody tested, how the vinyl playing will be affected by huge Stages using bass speakers under the dj booth? So Terry, thx for the review, its always a pleasure, to watch your videos! But DJ's have to play in 1000's of Settings, where Hardware has to work 100%... For me, the new Pioneer TT Hybrid is a nice one to use at home. Too expensive for me for that use, but Pioneer fans will surely sell their grandma's to buy them... ;-)
I love these! Recently bought dvs and sent it back after 2 days. As an old school vinyl guy who like you, doesn’t play vinyl that much but likes the ability to play them, especially when live streaming, these turntables are perfect. Great review. Not the first time I’ve seen you but I don’t subscribe to just any and anyone. However, I’ve subscribed to your channel👍🏾👊🏾
Very cool. I like but $3800 for 2 turntables and a mixer I just can't justify. Not to mention I need to build a table and set up. So Kallax and something on top. Ouch pricey. Probably still going with a set of new reloop 7000s when the time comes. To me, it's probably "end of the world pricey." At least for the next 5 or 6 years of my finances.
How’s the wow and flutter ? Better , the same or worse then let’s say 1200s?? And rane12 is solid beat match cause it’s like a CDJ, software controlled.
WOW. This is very interesting and looks pretty awesome on first look. I can definitely see this in a home or studio setup possibly. And yes it is pretty pricey no doubt about that. But I can see why. Hell the new Technics 1200s are expensive. This could be an option for a few people. Not mad at this at all and would love to try them out.
Loving what Pioneer did with this….didn’t like the CDJ3000 roll out but this is what any turntablist or vinyl enthusiast would want all in one package. It gives you all the options
we would have needed this 15 years ago when vinyl got battled by digital... instead, controllers took over and now, that even most of the vinyl djs have switched to controllers, they come up with a hybrid... it's nice, but kinda a joke to us OG vinyl djs...
As some others have mentioned, i would have changed the form factor a bit and placed the pitch on the left side and moved the display up where the pitch is. It may be coming but i think pioneer need a mixer with rekordbox built in so you can connect a usb/sd card to the mixer and control with the PLX without the need for a computer. If these had come out before the CDJ2000 i would never have gone down the CDJ route.
Now that they have these tables I could see a battle mixer design with that internal pc / dvs support as it likely won't cannibalize their cdj market and it will help get them support from serato users after absorbing serato.
This would be so dope for clubs. BUT: I think that the buyers will mostly be bedroom DJs who are willing to spend that money in order to flex on social media with the new shiny of the hour.
Pioneer is making some serious moves and as a user of their products, this is the innovation you want to see. I enjoyed the review as always CT. I know the DJs who still use turntables will love the get their hands on one. The price is up there and you need 2. I feel if you have a good mixer, getting these as an upgrade will make sense.
As much as people think this new Pioneer hybrid turntable is so great, the Reloop RP-8000 MK2 hybrid came out 4 years ago and still is the number one Hybrid turntable.
The single thing I really want to know is if the jerky and stuttering motor of the PLX has been fixed or improved in the lower pitch ranges of 50% or not. I love everything else about the PLX but it’s honestly a deal breaker
I’ve been holding on to my Reloop 8000s for a minute wondering if and when Pio or Rane would come out with something like this. Looks like I’ll have to shell out some cash soon.
Crazy Love it But i have 4 technics already and phase mwm is awesome! Its Over price for what it is. Way Over priced. In canadian dollars its 2k each so 4k for a bundle. Id rather buy sc6000m at that price point. My 2 cents
could you tell me why phase is better than timecode vinyl? I had phase at the beginning, but I sold it, now it's better than timecode, why? I'm asking seriously, I want to know.
this is exactly the NUMARK X2 (2005) Hybrid Analog+Digital turntable.. the best digital turtable ever made was the Numark CDX (2003).. love the Rane12 too! ..Vestax Controller One (2007) was awesome too. Reloop did soooo good with the 8000. Now pionner, after killing the turntablists in 2005+ saying that CDJs were digital turntables (it was a CD Player with a big jog.) and this crap became the industry standard, leaving everyone in the dust. .. now they bring back old technology and everyone go nuts. I hate Pioneer. I realy hate them. They love DJ Money, not the DJ Technology... everyone is better and more creative then them. They are late on everything, unfinished products, lots of features missing, always had an agenda with holds on technology for sell you futur products. They are not what DJs expects from a DJ Gear company. Pioneer is Apple .....for people who don't know better.
IMHO they should have orientated it non-battle style and place the tonearm base in the top left corner. That way you’re not having to awkwardly avoid the tonearm when using the pitch. And the pitch fader is closer.
I should have prefaced my statement that I have my decks set up battle style with Phase and it’s clunky to go over the tonearm to reach the pitch fader (I have the muscle memory now but it still annoys me occasionally.) I also remember my Numark TTX’s that allowed you to change the orientation of your pitch fader to the side, which I and a lot of dj’s loved. I think the design could have been more ergonomically elegant. Not only for the dj but also for the safety of the tonearm if this is meant to be the new club install tt.
I think these are cool. But they won’t be popular or disappearing off the shelves. The market for turntables is sooooo small now. Most DJs are digital using smaller, lighter, portable controllers along with their fake scratches. While a cool design and a $1300 price tag, it’ll be tough to find a place in the DJ market.
I am new to all this. Coming from controllers, DDJ FLX10 and DDJ 1000SRT. Will this work like hooking up the Rane 12s to the Mixer, say the Rane 72, via USB, or do I need anything else, just to get started with them.
So I have a pair of Technic 1200 MK2's already...would it be more beneficial selling them and buying a pair of these? Or keep them and buy Phase to use with the 1200's? Just curious as I have crates of records I haven't used in awhile because I pretty much just use CDJ's with Rekordbox now. Just getting a feel which would be a better direction...these things are pretty sic LOL
A vinyl record player that needs an update can never ever be the next great turntable....that said...you all sold your soul. It's the same arm that has been around for twenty years and does not come close to a serious turntable despite the stupid gadgets.
it appears to be nice. however if you own SL1210 & Phase it is not an option for me. new mixer is more eligible for a swap but what is future for serato with Pioneer? these players do make a statement towards this uncertainty but I will wait a bit longer before i buy anything new thx for the review!
had this idea like 15 years ago... back then we thought the reloop rp-8000 would do a similar thing, but it just had midi buttons... finally someone (pioneer) did it. thanks for presenting it to us, Cleve!!!
GREAT video! I like this option a lot - and I mostly use one deck now and use instant doubles when I play out. Up here in Whistler we do not have venues with turntables so I often have to bring one deck anyways to use with my S11. Keep up the great work!
Double the price of what it should be. Reloop 8000 mk2 has way better options for half the price. A switch instead of a knob for the motor is a huge fail. Four cue points? Lame. Most “features” on this deck won’t even be used. Who designed this mess? Don’t waste your money on this ripoff gear.
@@ClevelandTerry I beg to disagree. Half is reaching! I could go on about the lack of features of this unit. Where’s keylock? Where’s a large bpm percentage readout? Where is a power plug on the same side as the rcas? I know Pioneer hooks it up, but this deck should sell to for $699 tops. I only speak facts!
It has a BPM readout. Size doesn’t really matter. Plug placement is irrelevant, why does key lock need to be on the turn table. It’s a midi map away. And the reloop doesn’t do DVS less playing. You will always need dvs or phase. They are not the same but hey man, I’m not here to convince you. Some will like it, some won’t. I’m good either way. 😀
Thanks CT, great review and I can't really tell, are you a fan... 😄 Just kidding. I make no bones about Pioneer, I'm not a fan of most of their equipment but this, right here, is my jam (que music). Seriously, I own Phase and like you, was one of the first to get it and I love them, they've made some great improvements. The CRSS12 are just next level and although pricey, you wouldn't need Phase unless, like you said, you DJ at clubs, event centers or bars and they have the PLX1000s or the Technics 1200s, phase is a must have. Man, these tables are game changer and seriously has me thinking about selling my M3Ds and Phase, which will soften the blow but I can keep what I have and pick these up and still be fine. Well done, Pioneer, well done.
I saw your review on the PLX-CRSS and just purchased one just to test it out and if I like it, I'll get another one. I'm currently rocking an S11 and two MK7 1200's.
