Imagine you are a Dj. You will also be booked or have your own party series. What is the most important thing for the guests ? Good music isn't it ? So why keep stepping into the 'money trap', and buy the latest equipment ? If you already got equipment, in this or a similar form. Doesn't it make more sense to discover good new music, buy it and then play it to the guests ? Just my opinion. Sorry, but this isn't a SL1210 MKII 'tank-quality' TECHNICS turntable. Better invest in top music from artists, musicians, producers, remixer, re-editer..., instead of paying X-hundreds & thousands for the latest tech, that even hasn't got the best build quality. As always, again the best overview by Mojaxx about the latest dj tech. Even Pioneer is getting better with their dj tech, still they don't last long. It's overpriced i'd say. In this case, less is more.
I'm not sure what your point is besides saying its not as good as a 1210, which is valid, but the people that are gonna be buying these are probably as serious as you could ever get with this artform, and probably already invested heavily into procuring music. As fore me, i want these to be my gigging decks, for djing for artists as well as playing regular vinyl sets, and essentially this is a rane twelve that's an actual turntable as well and thus way more worth it to me... Just my opinion.
If Pioneer gets 12” motorized platters back in clubs they win, period 😎🖤🍭 As a huge fan of the enjoyment of traditional mixing…analog and digital…just wow, crazy they put this amount of effort in…thanks for the deep dive boss 🙌
The RP 8000 mk2 is NOT $900 and they never were. They go for $800 and I got mine for $700 each on sale. So I got them BOTH for the price of one of these. Add the Phase (also on sale) and I spent a total $1,750.... Besides the clamp, they offer nothing more and the Reloop is more versatile having a break and torque that's more customizable, bigger and more pads, pitch bend, reverse, a scroll knob, the actual pitch percentage (not range) so you can dial it in, and of course, patter play!!! The "pitch play" on this is crap compared to how reloop does platter play. You can even hook up a midi keyboard to control it. Reloop 8000 mk2 is still king of the hanpin IMHO. This thing is definitely nice, but severely overpriced.
With the Reloops you can actually du a fineadjustment to Torque and Brake unlike with the brake switch on the Pioneers which also makes it look like a cheap mod
And a tip for Pioneer, bring out 2 models, the normal layout model, and a battle layout. because i think the normal layout will be far selling much more ,then the battle layout what is coming now.
Now we know probably why pioneer bought serato, they didn’t want to pay the premium for serato capability so they probably said screw it we will just buy the company, lol.
Pioneer always have had a high price point. But I'm not convinced that it should replace my RP8000mk2. CRSS12 has more going for it, but how much of that is really worth the upgrade. That is the question you have to ask yourself.
RP7000mk2 owner and not convinced either. I do play house and DVS classic style, I’m happy with my gear, it works for me. But I like the fact that this will get more people and artists into vinyl…maybe?
Vinyl only guy here. Even I think this is quite interesting device itself (although it is just not for me) and it is really good to see this kind of device developed and released in 2023 where vinyl is almost "retro". I hope it will help to attract some attention of Post 2000 kids playing on all-in-one contollers to vinyl (real or DVS whatever). But what I found from technical point of view here: Mojaxx says about no preamp inside - this is for best sound quality, wires from cartridge directly to RCAs and into your mixer. But at the same time later when describing how internal DVS mode works it is clear that DVS signal is sent via those same Phono wires. So this means there is electrical connection inside the deck to these lines from DVS (controller IC block). And that might affect real vinyl playback with added noise.
"Almost" retro? I'm pretty sure vinyl has been "retro" for a good while now. But I get what you're saying and good point about the possibility of sound degradation. That never occurred to me. But hopefully, the engineers at pioneer have designed these in a way that it has zero effect on sound quality when not engaged.
Mostly vinyl guy here - this device looks great and I'd like to play on this way more than a cdj, however I don't see why the pitch control couldn't have been located in the front somewhere to the left or right of the device so pitch riding could be achieved without one having to reach over the device all night.
Why do you call them vinyl? They're called records. I know some kids call them vinyl but if you actually know your stuff you should know the media haha 🌈 @@OLSKOOLOUTCAST
This was my dream a decade ago. Actually I was hoping the USB was able to carry both audio and control data so you could replace the RCA and do away with them completely, for a neater setup have the mixer act like a USB hub and plug the decks to it via USB so that there is only 1 USB cable going to the computer: 3 modes (RCA Only, RCA+USB, USB Only).
you can do that with Phase and any mixer with a USB hub on it, but then you also need the phase controller on your table in addition to the rest of your setup
The issue with sending everything over usb will be regular vinyls... How do you cut these with the mixer? Digitally? You will need a dedicated mixer or audio interface for audio output so again cables... OTOH if you are going to send "whatever" over usb connection HID is better than audio or better said you can send encoder position from the spindle into usb for later decoding into the app (think in how a regular mouse work) but then you are ditching all the internal power from the turntable and putting it into the dj app which needs to make an unnecessary conversion (digital encoder into playhead control of audio timecode into decoding (audio timecode requires decoding) to manage... playhead? Just convert digital encoder data into playhead movement and avoid any other conversion and you know what? That's what Twelve does... but as I commented in earlier post Mojaxx find it less natural than the audio timecode into app (decoding) approach but that isn't related to HID directly but how dj apps developers coded HID vs Audio timecode and resolution in both cases. Audio timecode (and specially NoiseMap) have a high resolution against digital encoders (Phase is an exception because is earth field magnet one like a compass) making the "feel" of HID solutions worst than audio timecoded based ones. So not a easy problem to solve (sadly)...
@@thelabby9998 There is nothing overly complicated in implemtning a device like the PLX Crss12 to have 3 modes: 1.Digital Only, 2.Hybrid and 3.Analog Only. With Digital Only the USB protocol can be used to send timecode to the DVS. Analog Data is easily converted to Digital Data. This conversion usually happens on the Mixer or a separate Audio Interface. However, there is no reason why the conversion can not be done on the turntable. The Digital Mixer can have a USB-C hub where you plug in the turntables and are able to mix or convert, digital and analog data (if playing an actual vinyl through an analog connection like RCA). Since we have the USB-C port and the RCA ports available on the Turntable, there is absolutely no reason it can't be done. We just need a digital mixer with a USB hub that can accept USB-C alongside the traditional analog connections.
@@EnochGitongaKimathi You should develop one then mate...^^ "digital AND analog data". lol. You still need RCAs to get the analog "data" - its an analog audio signal bruv... to the mixer. Youve written so much and explained so little... ppl like you are really not helping anybody.
This is fantastic. Cost is crazy but as you said - there’s no real competition without amalgamating a couple different products, which most of the people who want those features will probably end up doing anyway. Not sure if they will be a big seller to anyone who isn’t a rental company or serious venue, but a lot of pioneer DJ gear seems to be going that way, mainly almost solely due to the price! Great bit of kit, glad they’ve done it. But excited to see the future competition!
I love the Idea they had ! And if I where to buy my first pair of turntables I would love these. But like most Vinyl /DVS Djs I already own a pair of Technics 1200 Mk II (which are proven to be very reliable and easy to service). with my DDj SP1 and Phase (and a Denon DJ DS1 for non Serato mixers) I can play in any Club (that has 2 Turntables and a Mixer) without bringing a ton of equipment. For me the CRSS12 doesn´t offer enough to pay 2800 $ and I don´t understand why they didn´t implement CDJ style MP3 direct import and HID mode via USB. That would´ve made the CRSS 12 something every DJ can work with. I think that would ´ve been very interesting for Club owners. I think like this and at that price point they´re only interesting for Starter Vinyl / DVS DJs that are looking for a new pair of Turntables or extreme gear junkies. or people which don´t have to care for money. But again what a great Idea !
Ditto…well I already had 1200’s so probably not yet but I’m pretty psyched we may actually see the form factor back in the club / bar one day…and that when my 1200’s finally croak there’s a modern path…boom dah
Hmm…I'm 50 and still use vinyls…is this for djing? And also looks ugly to me. Mk2-7 are have just neat, clean design. I can say that, "less is mOre" always…BUT that integrated DVS is so cool…
The rane 12 mk2 future proofed itself though with the simple fact that it has dvs time code built into the deck… essentially making it the same… the mk1s don’t have this feature but the mk2 definitely does… the only plus one id see this being for existing rane 12mk2 users would be the option to play your favorite vinyl on the same deck. As a 12mk2 user this doesn’t make me go omg I gotta get it.. fun though
well some people like what the rane twelve does but have turntables already and don't want to essentially buy a second set of turntables that aren't actually turntables. This is way better, and honestly I thought of this idea a few years ago. Glad to see someone actually made a regular turntable with it in there. Didn't think it would've been Pioneer though, that shocked me.
Flop... Today's "DJ's" don't know how to spin a record and they aren't willing to learn. You need skills. No more push the start and the sync button. Nope.. I don't see it. unfortunately.
Those are dope.. I heard about this 2 years ago when I got the Rane Twelves MKII.. I love the Twelves and they work great!.. I would get the Pioneer but its hella pricey.. i still play vinyl and my 1200mk2 is perfect but this combo turntable/DVS/HID is awesome and super convenient.. But to be honest.. the Twelves still works great since i rarely play vinyl on my gigs.. Maybe wait for the Mk2?
What do you mean? Just because it's expensive for some doesn't mean they are "out of their minds". You want the best? PAY for it! If it was all cheap enough for the average fool to buy (and use), then why would anyone hire you? There is a reason why good DJs are booked up... they are good at their craft and use good equipment to back it up. I'm not trying to be mean, but when any business gets watered down by cheap stuff that EVERYONE has, then it looses its value. I saved up, worked hard, and bought the best sound system a mobile DJ could buy. It was hard, but worth the effort! Now I have more business that I can handle and the system has more than paid for itself! You'll find this to be the case too if you are smart about it. :) I wish you the best and success.
Chinese junk with unnecessary features for which you have to pay $1400. I would prefer a pair of 1210mk2 in perfect condition for that money instead of Chinese crap. Alternatively Mixars for 300€ if someone doesn't have the money. I like the magnetic stabiliser but not for that amount of money
Hello, Pioneer said this turntable has technically improved over plx 1000. However, I cannot see the point as long as the underlying engine is the USUAL Hanpin! For instance, let's take a look at WOW & Flutter: Plx 1000 was initially declared to exhibit a figure of 0.1%, later amended to 0.01%, while Pioneer DJ PLX-CRSS12 is claimed to display 0.15%. Hence, by just looking at the announced figures, the new CRSS12 performs WORSE THAT the old PLX1000. Not to mention that SL 1200 spécifications indicate 0.025%. What can you say about that? FYI, my old SL 1200 MK2 scores 0.3%, while my new Plx 1000 shows 0.6% on average.
It’s funny that nowadays we justify outrageous prices by comparing it to other overpriced products. In that sense - yes it’s worth the money however ALL DJ gear across the board got really expensive lately.
Nope - it's NONE of that. It's called "innovation". These technologies aren't cheap and the market is small. Besides that, if you want the best - pay for it! What would a Lamborghini be worth if everybody drove one? What would you pay for a Rolex if they sold them at every kiosk at the mall? When you roll in with expensive gear (and know how to use it), you set your business above the rest. Get booked enough to pay for it and you'll never regret the price!
Great review as always. I love these and maybe next year will just plunge into getting 2 for home. They sure are sexy and the idea to be able to only have these instead of all the other kits excites me. To be able to play vinyl and use these with digital software is def the ways to go. They look fab!
i would look at some reloop rp-8000mk2 before this if you're not gonna get tech's. the .02% on the 8000's vs.1% pitch resolution on ttx is really nice and gets a lot closer to technics level of beat matching. (i use to own ttx's) because with this thing for one i wouldn't want to have to deal with battle style layout and also no vinyl dj is gonna want to have to deal with that clamp thing every time you switch records. that would get old real fast. also i'm taking it they have corrected the cogging issue that the plx-1000's have that makes them bad for mixing?
I think the price tag will be its biggest hurdle for them becoming the standard for every dj .. ideas like this have happened in the past with hybrid tables & cdj's all in one deck but unfortunately it becomes to much of a gimmick and they kill the model after a short while ..i fear these will fall into that same category.
Yea but I feel like they just reinvented the Grand Masters. They are an excellent design company but also heavy on business. There was an s9, and their also is an s7. There’s a ddjsx and a ddjsz. There’s and plx 1000 and a ….
Being “old” but Phase and 1200s for me. Cues would be fun for stems that’s bout it other than debt 🤣 also clearly made for hip hop not techno DJs. A trak will slap them
I love the tech innovation aspect of these decks and would love to own them ….but…… I’m struggling to see what problem they solve and who they are targeted at ( other than those with money to burn and GAS). As you pointed out there are cheaper packages that offer 95% of this functionality and I don’t think the new features push the creativity envelope that much. Does the pure vinyl performance stack up to the best of the rest? Thanks for your great reviews as always.
Haven’t even watched the video yet and I’m excited. Hope it’s not disappointing lol. Not disappointed at all. Been waiting for new ttbs from pioneer since I’ve had my 1000s since 2015. Price wise, everything is expensive now. This is basically a combination of ttbs, cdjs and controllers all for that price. Will I get it? fudge yes. Also money is not a problem for Mo, he’s just being humble. He’s rich, ignore him 😂. Thanks for the detailed video sir, this really made my morning.
Plx 1000 yeah. Great deck. I swapped it in for a 1988 technics 1210mk2, just because,, it’s the original.. but i miss the plx1000 it just had the right looks
Price wise this makes the most sense for people who don't have turntables yet and want that Phase DJ/Twelves experience. Most in-depth review on the unit this far
@@MilanFourTimesEight but you have a unit (Phase DJ) which will need replacing every XX years because of the internal battery. Portability wise Phase DJ beats the CRSS12
I'm one of the guys who pinches the spindle to mix, I'd love to see one of these hybrid turntables come out where you can still touch the spindle. Looks like a great unit but I'm sure like every other turntable ever the mk2 will be even better
Hello ! In France we've got 2 Reloop RP 8000 MKII for 1258 € (629 € for one) and Phase for 334 € so if u take 2 reloop + phase it cost you 193€ more than one of PLX-XRSS12 (1399€) Made your choice fox ^^
RELOOP 8000MK2 ALL THE WAY. Im not impressed at all in general with pioneer. (Build quality , feutures , Price. It's all about how they sell and promote their stuff.. Pioneer the ''Top Dj Brand'' in the world the industry standart...... If you cannot built the best kit in the market in 2023 u have just failed for me.
If yoy want to play and sample records, but also wants a turntable you can scrarch with digitally, and a orofrssional build quality, this is it. I would benhappy with just one if these and an S11 Mixer.
Typical pioneer price gouge. Defo makes more sense of the v10 mixer tho. 4 channel for Cdjs, 2 for turntables, and 2 for piggybacking controllers. Which leads me to think these have been in development for quite sometime. With an obvious bias towards serato it could be considered a brave move as thing we’re starting to get a little frosty between the two companies. Which brings me to my point. Just how long has the serato buy out been on the table🤔🤫
These turntables are for Jazzy Jeff. They are for world touring DJ’s who can demand the best. They are priced accordingly. People will think nothing of stating that the CDJ 3000’s are THE industry standard. Well….these are the turntablist version of that professional highest end product.
I have a pair of PLX1000 & DDJ RZ as my main home set up and a hardly used DJM 900NXS2 In its box. I am definitely thinking of getting a pair of these breaking out the 900NXS2 as my home set up and bumping the RZ and PLX 1000’s.
wonder if they could work it so you can link the DVS element to a standalone CDJ3000 without a laptop? So, you select your tracks on the CDJ, hot cues, reverse etc but just use the CRSS12 platter in DVS mode to jog thru the track, maybe adjust the pitch also? So youve got the CDJ search and hotcue functionality and actual vinyl control via the CRSS12. . . .hmmm Surely thats possible?
It will require CDJ3000 audio input, timecode control support (firmware update) or almost Pioneer link (and again enabling that control in update firmware plus ethernet port on this turntable). Doable? Yes. Possible with actual products? Not. Doable with extra product? Yes. You just need an audio to Pioneer link box, plug these with ethernet and a firmware update for the CDJ3000. Also Pioneer could release an standalone box with the CDJ3000 cpu and screen to improve actual setup without computer... but it's more probably they release that inside a mixer than standalone.
@@thelabby9998 excellent explanation, thanks a lot appreciate that! Yeah, sounds like they'd definitely try and monetise it in some way, its their prerogative I guess, they're a business after all...be nice if they did it as an update however, CDJ3000s and CRSS12s arent cheap so you've already invested a fair amount at that point. Will wait and see I guess, be great if it arrives at some point.
Interesting... The digital setup reminds me a bit of Phase. Wonder if they'll encouter any kind of patient infringement. I far prefer this setup because I assume the mag clamp doesn't have to be charged. Big advantage IMHO.
Best review I'm going to read about this. The final points are so honest and spot on. Now my say: If you already have any of the DVS solutions or another turntables you don't need this unless you are bored and want to try the new toy till you get bored again, which is sadly what a lot of people are about but if you want to introduce yourself in the turntable world coming from other ways of djing, it's maybe better to buy this whole pack and forget about pairing different brand devices to get the same results.
And so we mixing dj's, not the turntable wizards are left once again. All we want is a device like this that will do the timecode stuff but without all the bells and whistles of midi controlling hotcues and stuff. I don't say that it isn't a beautiful beast of a turntable. But imho, pioneer is too much focussing on the American market and not sow on the European. I mean there are more mixing dj's in Europe who love vinyl too then they are turntablists.
Thing is, apart from the fact the labelling is at 90 degrees (your turn to have that for once!) there’s really nothing to stop you using them in ‘traditional’ instead of in battle layout. They didn’t move any controls around, it’s laid out just like a 1200.
Such a silly comment, the major Turntablism market is European and Japanese, the movement did start in the U.S but it's not the major market here anymore.
@@Mojaxx I'm not saying that I couldn't find my way on this turntable. But with the exception of the Denon dj sc6000m there isn't a stand alone moving platter device on the market these days with midi/hid functionality that's more aimed towards mixing DJ's then turntableists. That's what I'm missing in today's market. I grew up with MK2's and the double Denon cd players back In the day.
@@foodstampz as I'm living in Belgium and following the equipment scene for more than 25 years I think I know where I'm talking about... 95% of the Belgian DJ's are just pure mixing DJ's that use cdj's or midi controllers. Not turntables.
If I could afford it I would buy these in a heartbeat. They look amazing and they are definitely the "top tier" turntable when they hit the shelves. I wish Pioneer had brought them in at $1k though. When you look at the price of a CDJ-3000 though, these are a decent deal for what you get. I'll win the lottery and one of the first things on my list to get will be these bad boys! LOL! Great review Mojaxx!
Well well well 🤑 I do think the clamp is a very smart addition but the oversight in not including a 45 adapter is a surprising one for a product that has considered so many aspects. I certainly imagine 3rd parties will quickly fill that gap
I like your honesty! Instead others where just because came out and it was sent out for review regardless if it is trash or not they speak beautifully about the equipment! Thts why I love this guy! Good example the Opus! When It came out he was really straight fwd with his points n opinions! Thts when He earned my respect and attention! Meanwhile others.... speaking love things! A good example is: they said thar love the position of the pads on previous releases on the equipment! I love how they forget what they said long time ago... then the new equioment was release and now they love the new pads position because the other was in the way and the new one has a better layout!!! Sooo... no matter what... in future releases "the others" would love it regardless in favor to manufactures giving them oppprtunity to review! This guy here! Does bot F care! If you send him something!!!! He will not sugar your ears just because thata what manufactures want to hear! Thnks for your reviews! You are my only guy to go to for dj reviews!
Mental I had this idea over ten years ago, I went to both Pioneer and various other companies with my designs, even made a seminar at BPM shows, and was basically laughed at, when I wanted a product that could play both my vinyl and digital in one unit with the added extra of enabled own brand design on control disc, goddam should have put a patent on it 😅 Finally, it's here in early form looking forward to testing this
Pretty impressive, full stop. Pricey - but expected with Pioneer. I'd love to play around with a set of these, but with someone else's money. *edit* and wow the flexibility of the setup is COOL
glad you mentioned the Rane 12 mk 2s which have a time code signal but as you say these also have a tonearm and as i have a lot of vinyl these would be my ultimate deck
This is excellent. Sending DVS audio signals is such an obvious feature, I wonder why nobody’s done it before. It can be easily done with non-spinning jog wheels as well, but these are great turntables. /need 😇
The price definitely is PRICEY forsure😩🙄😫😫😭But Definitely Attracts Me!!! i owns The TECHNICS MK7’s…. I might Purchase THOUGH!!!, yes⭐️👋🏽😅I salutes Your Review MOJAXX’ …. Realistic and Definitely!!!! Keeping it 100🧨🧨🧨🧨As Always’
All of this Super OEM Hanpin built TTs are maybe good for DVS Stuff , but when it comes to long Transision Mixes on real Vinyls ,all these TTs no matter if its Reloop , Stanton , Pioneer , Gemini .Audio Technica , DenonDj .. looses against the SL1210 MK 2,MK5 and even against the the new MK 7 aswell ! Even when that Model is no longer a Pure Bullet Proof Japan High Quality builded Technics TT anymore .But Technics will never ever get beated in Terms of Wow&Flutter , and the accuracy of the Pitch/Slider ,and forther more the Pitch of the MK7 is a Hybrid one D/A while all the other super OEM TTs are purely sequenced Digital like CDJs/Software Sliders . Thats the Big Difference ;)
I still don't understand the hype surrounding these decks. They're $1,400 a piece and are basically a watered down version of the Reloop RP 8000 MK2 which could be had on sale at the moment for $650. Yeah, the clamp is cool, but who cares if you're not using Serato or Rekordbox? A pair of RP 8000 mk2s and PHASE will run you around $1,700 while a pair of these go for 2,800 with less features and PHASE is still needed if not on Serato or Rekordbox 😂
@thegreatgasby4845 il y a 0 seconde Very interesting review. Thank you very much. Does that mean that the plx crss12 can not play HID via USB only ? Does it only play digital via DVS and RCA ? And second question please : is it definitely unable to control deck 3 and 4 (apart from the pad section) ? Thx again
I love playing both vinyl and digital! However, the biggest downside for me with PLX-CRSS12 is that I need to bring a laptop along for the DVS part. The laptop takes too much of my attention when playing out. Reading keys of the records would be awesome but this is neither an option as the signal path of vinyl goes directly to the RCA with no further processing. Nah not convinced. Besides that an amazing innovation!
I like your honesty in all your reviews. Never one to sugarcoat the impact to the wallet. Giving a real world cost comparison with other platforms is a highlight
I was really excited until the price came up.. I expected it to be high but not quite that high. I currently have 2 PLX-500 and just want to get to PLX-1000.. lol. But one can dream..
I'm still in sticker shock! That's because I don't have the funds! Not going to front! They are nice, but i'm thinking at that price I would rather buy something that might keep it's vaule in 15 or 20 years down the line. For that much i would rather save a little bit more and buy a SP1200 or an MPC 60/3000 . They are at least holding vaule 30 +years later. I also think as well, who are they marketing these to? I know people with GAS or FOMO! LOL
Mojax I feel pain in your voice. And I agree. Pricing is restrictive here. I’d buy a 1200 GR for a clean look that will outlive me and will entertain my kids. Rather than sticking to more innovative yet prone to price d iminishing hardware.
Has anyone used a flight case with this new turntable yet? I have a flight case. It's The Odyssey FZ1200 BL universal turntable case black hardware. This flight case seems way mashed up. The RCA cores and ground wire on this turntable are as Beefy as the turntable itself. I know flight cases are intended to have a very nice snug fit. Does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions?
lol bro said years of using turntables the wrong way around... its called "NORMAL" position not wrong way... for mixing not having to reach over the back for the pitch is desireable. Scratch battle position is so the tone arm is out of the way during record movement. sucks for mixing
Great review Mojax. Do we know if they have reused the PLX motor for this unit? I’m concerned with the torque compensation problems we experienced when applying pressure at lower pitches.
