Piper Cherokee 180 - Cost to Own 

Hi, what's it like to live out my dream?

Years ago when first starting my ppl I logged quite a few hours in a 180. Dream of a plane to fly.

Just curious, how does the cost of a used one today compair to historical? Something along the lines of a 180/181 averages 75 to 100k on trade a plane. Just wondering what prices might look like if things come back down in a few years.

@@iowafarmboy - TBH, bought mine a few years ago before the prices really spiked. Not sure I would pay today's prices as some deals might come around if the economy flips. Their prices are more like real estate than cars however since they don't make a lot of new airplanes and those they do make are very expensive. Given that, not sure if the prices will drop or not but I would expect at least for a little while, you'll find some deals as people look to offload extras.

currently training in a 1954 cherokee it is fun to fly have a blast everytime i get in it

Thanks for sharing. Sounds awesome.

That's fantastic :) Thanks for watching

Sounds great. Thanks for sharing and good luck with the plane

Hello! How does one go to partnering with other people to buy a plane? I've read that sometimes an LLC is created.

@@TrollerzTV Hi Edgard. I have heard about LLC partnerships also. Mine is not that complicated or formal. Just three friends that decided to buy an airplane and split the expenses. I highly recommend it. I might own my own airplane someday, but it’s nice splitting the costs. I would look at your local airport for people posting they want a partnership, or you can post your own notice.. Or, join a club that has 10 or so members on one airplane. That’s a good way to go because you can fly something you wouldn’t be able to afford.

@@danasampson818 hello! When you say "me and my friends decided to buy a plane" you mean like all three names are on the loan/title? Or is it one person that has their name on all the documentation and y'all just split the costs?

We are all three on the title. There was no common loan. We each came up with the money for purchase.

It's brand new! Thanks for watching

What’s A&P? Newbie asking here

@@gijskummeling it’s the Airframe and power plant license. It allows you to sign off maintenance tasks on an aircraft.

After flying Gulfstreams you are willing to fly low and slow?

@@reyesben yep for sure, after flying all over the world for over 30 years , yeah low and slow will be fun 😀

@@garyderipaska675 I would love to hear your thoughts on how rewarding and or costly your career was. My 17 y.o. son is pursuing commercial aviation and I am at a loss for how to guide him, airline vs. corporate, education vs building time and slowly accomplishing college

@@reyesben Hi Benny, as to the first question about being rewarding compared to being costly. It most definitely is rewarding, in traveling the world , I did see and spend time in places I never ever would have paid a healthy airline ticket to go see. My wife was even able to accompany me on some of those trips back in the late 70’s early 80’s however that’s not the case with many corporate operations these days. I only found those far and few between that allowed wife’s to be on the corporate jet. However there’s always a cost, not monetary but the cost of not being there for your family. I missed my daughters birth because I was in recurrent training , however she was 3 months premature so that was an unforeseen cost so to speak , I’ve missed graduations , countless birthdays , Christmas, Thanksgiving etc. However most of those holidays missed I was either In Caribbean on company credit card , ( word of advice don’t call home with the ocean waves crashing in the background, jusss sayynnn) or at some ski resort skiing. One of many reasons I chose corporate instead of Airlines. Depending on many factors Typically Airline pilots make more than corporate pilots, however when they arrive into a city for an overnight it’s to the hotel for crew rest then out the next day to start the process over again . Education: There are a number of Aviation colleges out there as in EMBRY RIDDLE UNIVERSITY they will not only teach him how to fly but they have numerous programs that will get him all his licenses and ratings plus come out with a college degree in Professional Aeronautics. I attended EMBRY RIDDLE after a company I went to work for said I needed a college degree to be assigned as Captain on the airplane I was already flying a Gulfstream II , company paid for my degree , lots of online but 4 years later I had a Bachelors of science in Professional Aeronautics. Building time: Those avenues are a little bit harder these days as compared to when I did it How ever there still out there ie towing banners with small single engine airplanes , Flight Instructing etc , if he can obtain a Flight instructor certificate and teach flying that would probably be the fastest way to build time. Also EMBRY Riddle may have avenues to build time I’m not aware of , I know they do try and help graduate’s find a

@@reyesben sorry , it sent it before I was finished , EMBRY Riddle. , once he graduates with his degree and all his license they’ll help him with job placement , I’m sure there are other universities out there that will do the same .

Yup

Which Cherokee and which arrow are you looking at?

@@CompleteWalkaround Any and all. I don't yet understand the differences.

@@mattkitchen3119 there are over 20 planes in the Cherokee family. Maybe a Cherokee family tree video is a good idea

@@mattkitchen3119 there are over 20 planes in the Cherokee family. Maybe a Cherokee family tree video is a good idea

Hi, Thanks for the questions! Landing fees fall into the category I call Pilot Fees. Pilot Fees also include subscriptions, charts, medicals, etc. These fees are all the same if you're flying a 180 something else. I only cover the airplane costs that vary from plane to plane. Range is a full tank at economy cruise speed and fuel burn. Thanks again and thanks for watching.

Draw a 100 mile circle around your house. In a plane like this you can reach any destination within 100 miles in less than an hour. For me in the northeast, that’s a lot of places. Cherokee 180 1/2 owner

My Mom told me, she used to go pay ten cents to see a movie ;)

@@MrJimgillnm Their sounds to be a little sarcasm to your comment ? 🤔

@@jeffhess7130 yup ;)

@@MrJimgillnmYour a narcissist with a big attitude problem !! 🤔

Me thinks you should stick to driving cars

Generally speaking yes. Check my video on Sling TSi. I will be posting some videos on other experimental aircraft soon as well.

With buying a stc and engine it would be a lot. Best would to be find a Cherokee 235 that has the bigger engine to begin with. But the Cherokee 180 really doesn’t need a bigger engine. I was getting out of a 1,100 foot grass strip with trees on both ends all day with 2 people and 1/2 fuel on a hot Texas day

Hi Jim, Thanks for commenting. If you don't mind, please feel free to share your experience with this engine/overhaul. I am always looking to improve my numbers and it will benefit others reading the comments, Thanks!

@@CompleteWalkaround You can cheap out on overhaul and gamble but if you go with a Lycoming approved shop that has a good reputation... you can say about 30k (after returning the core) for an overhauled engine then you add labor to (remove and) install. Keep in mind, there will be things to replace here and there along the way, not just the engine in the process. Parts aren't cheap. I think $12 will get you the engine given the engine lasts 2500 hrs (12*2500=30000) but that's just an engine.

@@biglee13m Even if you had to spend 30K for an overhaul, how often are you going to have to do that? Who goes through 2K hours that fast? It still seems worth the price.

@@biglee13m I have owned my archer for 19 yrs. Replaced the engine 2 yrs ago after my old engine had 3550 hrs and still strong . Total cost to get an overhauled engine was 28k which included all new baffles , oil Cooler , hoses , scat tubing etc. my IA and I picked it up on a Friday and I was flying that Sunday afternoon . Owner assists are the way to go imo . I own my hangar so there is a cost there but I have a heated office and keep my boat there as well. My insurance is 900 yr for 80k hull value. I budget 5k a yr for fuel but with Covid my flying was curtailed as rental cars at the other end were not easy. My annuals run about 600 yr not counting parts like tires, tubes etc, Pitot static every 24 months cost me 340 or so. My panel over the yrs has probably got 30k or more upgrades in it. I know people who spend more on a boat here in Mn than I do my plane. It’s a passion and I thankfully can afford it. And as to Cessna vs Piper both are great planes BUT at 73 I don’t have to climb a ladder to fuel it , I just bend over 👍 My prop overhaul cost me 600.00 but can’t be overhauled again which at some point will cost me about 6k based on prices at that time which is a crapshoot

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Stay tuned !

Kitfox video just posted!

Let’s see Paul Allen’s bush plane

JFK Jr was flying this plane's larger cousin, the PA-32 Piper Saratoga.

@@CompleteWalkaround What a prompt reply. Liked and subscribed.

But what is maintance? 🤓

@@CompleteWalkaround oops, that one sneaked by me.

"Hanger" ???? 😛 This was my second video. A little haphazardly done

Funny, my insurance was 3 time the cost to tie down my 180 at my flying club.

@@svenstock2963 how much u pay? For both?

@@OnlyUknow2$ 750 a year for tie down. It's grass and not electric. Insurance $2100. So not exactly but close