Pitcher can pitch if batter is in the box, right? 

So, you let the batters control the pace of the game? I was also a catcher for about 12 years and into the collegiate level. I think this quick pitch stuff is bush league but you also can’t allow the batter all the time he pleases. Most quality pitchers at higher levels control the tempo of the game at a reasonable pace.

@@jamesong.a.7695 I think my comment is a sweet spot between your two viewpoints. The pitcher and catcher control the tempo, but they have an obligation to the batter and to the game: If you wana try to get an edge by quick pitching, adjust the speed of your delivery, not the start timing of your delivery. The rules state the batter is entitled to a reasonable amount of time to get set. If a batter has an unusually long setup, press him a little. Otherwise don't be a jerk.

As a catcher I agree for some of that. Not calling you off, because you have wayyy more experience than I have. But when a batter had a goofy ass whole routine for every pitch, I’m not gonna wait for him. I’m gonna let my pitcher work the zone while some idiot is “signaling time” every single time he holds the bat up.

As soon as the umpire gave me the play signal, I called the pitch regardless of what the batter is doing. If the batter stepped into the box, with his hand at the umpire, I give him that. If he steps in and starts digging a hole, playing with his jersey or whatever else and doesn’t have his hand up to the umpire, my pitcher is throwing. Also was a catcher up through the collegiate level.

@@jamesong.a.7695 who said anything about “giving the batters all the time”? That’s a black&white misread of the issue which propagates the problem. The catcher’s job is to control the balance between pitcher/batter so neither gets an unfair advantage.

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Happened to me in freaking all star practice, it was my own team

it was always my idea when i did it. coaches and parents were pissed

And how do you know this? Are YOU the next Bill Belichek?

just facts

Cool name

Yeah, these guys at the Little League World Series have worked their little butts off for the past two summers to get there. You don't make it to the LLWS of you don't know what you're doing, and can't keep your cool. Even then, it's hard for an 11 or 12 year old to keep their emotions in check. This is a MUCH higher level of play than State tournaments in High School ball. It's two levels higher, in fact. They not only won states, but they also won regionals to get here. Literally an entire summer of playing and obsessing with baseball. I grew up in Williamsport. Lived there most of my life. It's my hometown, and I've had the honor to meet some of these teams of kids over the years. Especially the summer when I was their age. They brought my team in to have a practice scrimmage with two teams in the summer of '95. We lost in regionals. Played out butts off all summer. And in regionals, we started losing steam. Blew our final two games after winning one. The guys who make it to the LLWS is at a whole other level. You can FEEL the intensity dripping from those fellas. They know what they're doing, and why. Not at all surprised the catcher noticed he had a job to do with controlling his pitcher, and how to do it. Likely, it was an issue in an earlier tournament. Like in regionals or states. Maybe earlier than that.

I was taught play to the rule: all these head games are totally fair ball. I liked watching the catcher: if I could convince them I knew their code it would often rattle the pitcher. I was never smart enough to actually crack the code, (and they probably changed it a soon as I looked away anyways), but it messed with their strategy. I miss the head games: company slow pitch just isn't the same...

@@wilfdarr if you are caught looking back, you will get drilled

@@jacobh674 You want to walk me because you're butt hurt, if that makes you feel better, that's fine with me. I've always been a better weapon on base than in the box😉 This is EXACTLY the kind of emotional mistake I'm trying to get a pitcher to make.

@@jacobh674 lmao grow a pair

Thanks for posting this. The worst when it comes to this and several other rules are Adult Slowpitch players. Lol.

I dig to China in the box.

Sure cause that will solve everything

I always hated when someone went digging for gold in the box practically ruining it for other hitters. If you need to be THAT dug in, then that is usually an indicator of bad mechanics.

Never did dig a hole. Hated the kids that did though. I had friends that used to hate my set up. I'd cross the plate with my bat for plate coverage and then take three slow practice swings and be set. It wasn't snail speed but it some didn't like it. I grew out of it. They didn't quick pitch me though. Probably because at the time I was the best basestealer in the league and you really didn't want me on base. Constant green light, smart and very fast. The kid that tried to do everything the way the pros would teach it. Made for an advanced level base runner.

I’m not gonna let you play your game, you have to throw the pitcher off rhythm.

You got somewhere else to be? If so quit watching/playing.

If they have a big set up routine. I'll let them go through it, get set, then step off the mound a couple times and make them do it 2- 3 times to make sure everyone sees how's dumb it is lol. Batters wanna waste time, so can pitchers haha.

@@carryeveryday910 most are nowadays, fool. Your sport is dying lol. Could be worse, you could be an NBA fan. 🤦‍♂️

@@thecaptain29 My sport? Lmao I’ve literally never watched a baseball game in my life. It’s uninteresting takes too long and has no entertainment value. I only even came here because it was in my recommended.

@@carryeveryday910 so you're an ignorant person commenting on things to be a troll? Hope your life gets better 👍

Exactly. Those little kids trying to call time are spoiled and ridiculous. Get out of the box of you aren't ready!

I don't even recall anyone calling time unless something was absolutely wrong

@@SomeJustice19k And you realize if you step out without the request for time, it can still be counted...so why tf wouldn't you ask? Bro you're doing way too much assuming these kids are demanding a timeout over requesting it.

@@SomeJustice19k spoiled? they are getting set. That kid knew the pitcher was quick pitching, so he wanted time to get set.

@HippoSMG you literally got the rule read to you in front of your face. Not to mention the umpire called in favor of the batter so quit trying to act like it's the batter's fault that the pictures trying to quick pitch.

Lol

Lol

That’s why the back drop is usually green or blue ;)

That's hilarious

I'll assume you didn't watch the video

5th time around is limit. If they are mid way through a flip too bad

and holding your back hand (time) up to the ump for a long period of time like your Derek jeter should be an automatic strike. Hell, just raising your hand asking even for a little bit of time is one of the most annoying motions in all of baseball. Just get ready for the damn ball already.

@@Carlos-wy4on I’m saying, why tf do you need a whole ritual to hit a goddamn ball. I always felt a little arrogance from people who did that

@@gabrielchovan-spence4215 from what I’ve heard from the pros, almost all batters and such have rituals like that bc they are superstitious. Pro baseball (especially batting) is kinda almost impossible scientifically speaking and basically, if u find something that “works” you’re gonna keep doing it

@@Carlos-wy4on I used to do it sometimes just because all the cool kids did it.. it never mattered. I'd strike out anyways.

Now that just sounds shitty

Exactly. It's a cat and mouse game. If a batter liked taking his time I would too. Maybe step off a time or two but in the end I'd take just as much time if needed.

Agreed. The Oregon , Rhode Island game, that batter was being ridiculous.it should go both ways. If a pitcher can’t quick pitch then a batter should not have allowed to twirl the bat 39 times before every pitch.

Think about hitting and going into the batter’s box like setting up for a golf shot, you have a routine you follow and these people also have their own routines. Most people set up in a certain way and this rhythm helps them. If you don’t set up in a certain way, it messes with your brain and then you probably don’t end up doing as well, unless you get lucky. These people are just setting up how they normally do.

@@wakimura303 Pitchers also have a routine.

@@2010OEFvet It does go both ways. What recourse does the batter have if a pitcher works SLOWER than him? Does he get to force the pitcher to speed it up? The Ump can, but the batter can't. So if the batter needs a bit more time, the ump can say speed it up, but the pitcher doesn't get to decide by throwing before he looks up.

Yep! Watching college playoffs and this one dude steps out of the box after every pitch, loosens his left glove, tightens it, loosens his right glove, tightens it. Then grips the bat with both hands, holds it up in front of him, stares at the bat for 5-10 seconds, adjusts his helmet, then slowly steps in and gets set to hit. This routine took at least 25-30 seconds each time. Everybody's got to have a routine just like the egotistical pros... Baseball is getting slower than golf... almost 😁 Even the girls College World Series of softball are getting this way... 🙄

Honest. The game is already slow enough as it is

I am not an umpire so I am not sure how the rules of the game are written but it seems that if the batter is in the box and facing the pitcher, he is engaged whether he is twirling his bat or not. The rules appear to be written so the batter is not unprepared for a pitch which is not a danger in that situation.

It's annoying, yet effective, getting into your own rythhm is useful, and throwing the pitcher off is nice

@@jacubotheguy1642 Exactly. It's all part of the game.

Yes AFTER he got quick pitched he turned into a bit of a dick, I don't blame him for that.

Disagree with this its a game. There's no cheating. Once both feet are in the box be ready to hit! Why give the batter the upper hand. Keep them uneasy at all times...

i'm not sure "punishment" is the right word. but any decent plate umpire will keep the batter moving and the pitcher in check. balance is always the key.

So get in the box and get ready. You're there to be a batter, right? Then DO IT and stop wasting so much time. Get in and get ready. That's on YOU to get ready. Like in all sports "protect yourself at all times". If you're not paying attention, that's on YOU!

I always thought quick pitching was bush league anyway.

I love watching Johnny Cueto pitching and screwing with the batters timing with his varying pauses and occasional slide steps etc.. Just gold when they unload their leg and the pitch comes in 🤣

That’s a cool counter but hard to do for a lot of pitchers.

Yup, make him hold the ready position until it hurts. He'll be quicker next time.

Very well stated. Couldn't have said better myself.

Couldn't agree more with this. Too many kids want to take their sweet old time getting ready to bat. Put their hand up, tap the plate, swing their bat etc. Get in the box and be ready to swing.

The batter had his hand up the whole time right in front of the umpires face. He wasnt taking an unreasonable amount of time to get ready especially with runners on base and getting a coachs sign. On the other hand the college player was taking his sweet time walking around outside the box and then getting ready inside the box. He should have been allowed time to get ready, but the umpire needs to keep him in the box and ready more quickly. The unnecessary delaying for getting ready for pitches goes from mlb all the way to little league.

lol Well kids watch major leaguer's and get inspired by them and you hate that? lol... Let them have fun with the game.

He held his hand up forever in the clip because the pitcher had begun his windup already, so he just kept it up, hoping for the t.o.

@@auzmo The kid was taking way too much time. Get in there and bat. That's what you're there for. Not to call time out between every pitch. Don't assume you get a time out every time you ask for it. In fact, STOP asking for timeouts for NO reason. The stupid kid would actually be READY if he would put his hand down and place it on the bat.

naw dude.....you dont have to be immediately ready to swing as soon as you step in the box...that kids routine wasnt over the top

@@jdstox1 agreed. Longer than others but not too long.

As a position player that doesn't work in my opinion. Half the time we were too busy trying to focus on your motion to actually look at you as a person. I personally always stared at the hips and once they started to rotate I'd stare at the arm, but almost never would I look a pitcher in the face. Just never crossed my mind.too busy trying to learn your cadence and timing your pitches for getting psyched out. Though a little gamesmanship probably works occasionally rattling somebody enough to lose focus. What will rattle a batter is changing velocities dramatically and making them lose their timing which will definitely blast their confidence. Making somebody miss 1 or 2 times an at bat is definitely frustrating and fucked me up in quite a few situations. Get mad- make poor choices go hand in hand.

or, you could just play the game with an acceptable amount of sportsmanship, using whatever level of physical skills and coaching you had been provided... i think most baseball people would agree that pitching is far more physical than mental. i don't recall seeing very many rhodes scholars on the mound...

When I played Roy Hobbs, the national association of adult baseball ( I was 30 and over) we followed the rules of the NAtional Association of High School rules. One such rules is ' batter must keep at least one foot in the batters box at al times. Exceptions were if the batter were granted time out to use pine tar rag or other implement to grip the bat, change bats, or replace equipment, glove etc. If the batter does not get set in a reasonable amount time, the umpire may at their discretion announce "play ball" and the ball was live. The pitcher may deliver a pitch. Also, batters are not automatically granted time. Batter must ASK for time out . If the pither has come set or began his windup, time is not granted and the ball is deemed "live".

True Mike Poore

Yet we watched the whole damn video didn’t we

You never wondered about it but you clicked on the video. Makes sense

Awwwwww, baseball . The only game you play while taking a nap. 😏

The pitcher waits for the sign, so if the catcher is giving it before the batter is set up then it is not on the pitcher.

you realize, of course, that a request for time MUST BE VERBAL. a raised hand is NOT a request for time in any rule book. i have always told batters who do this that i'm assuming you are waving to your mom or girlfriend, so don't do it again. get ready, i'll give you sufficient time, and let's play ball, shall we?

It is. You must have an issue on your end.

@@MJHBaseball weird dude. now it sounds fine.

Wtf

I think we just found the illuminati boys!

Let's be real, that batters setup is unnecessarily long. He holds the bat out for about a second, then spins it around in one hand twice, then holds it out another second or two. This batter had it coming in my opinion. Sure, setup your stance and grip, but at some point it is just a delay tactic and needs to be called.

yea but he's like 10 and playing on a big stage, dude is living it. my thing is theres no harm in taking an extra second to set up in the box but If a pitcher throws a beamer when the batters not set and hits him you got a hurt player

and I don't see a problem with slowing down against a pitcher that's trying to speed pitch your whole team

No, that kid was in the box, reasonably set, and had eyes on the pitcher. Ump and catcher were set. If he wants to twirl his bat around for 10 more seconds, that's on him. People need to change their definition of "reasonably set"; otherwise it just encourages slow pace of play for a game that's already slow.

There is a time limit and an umpire is going to enforce that. It's a strike called on the batter if he's not ready in time. (no pitch need be thrown.)

Hard to see in the clip since the camera wasn't on the pitcher yet, but the pitcher started his motion before the batter looked up which startled the batter. Pitcher's are required to wait until the batter is reasonably set. Not even looking toward the pitcher yet isn't reasonably set.

@@MJHBaseball Yeah but a lot of batters especially in little league try to do flashy BS to get more attention to them for some reason... like walking back in the box every time and other such shit... unnecessary and just adds time between pitches to stress out the pitcher or make him loose focus.

Actually it's "Budweiser' league.

@@marmac2768 nah, coors league

It is

What's busch league

It’s fine to step back with your stride leg as the beginning of your delivery, but if he stepped back and then tried to take his right foot off the rubber and throw to first, that would be a balk. It’s actually a detriment to the pitcher since it’s a huge tell to a runner that he is committed to his delivery.

there's no one on base to "trick" so why would a balk be called? you can have any wind up/stretch hybrid whatever when theres no one on base.

@@Darthvader-oc5tp That's not correct. With no one on base, the same set of rules apply, but the penalty changes. It's no longer a balk, but it is deemed an illegal pitch and an automatic ball. So, no, you cannot do whatever you want to deliver a pitch when nobody is on base.

@@67L48 no the only time there is a penalty is with a quick pitch. You can do a “balkable” action and no penalty is given. The only time a balk is called is with runners on base. So yes you can do whatever you want with no one on base.

@@67L48 also the motion you’re referring to isn’t even that uncommon. Look at pitchers from the 40s 50s 60s a lot are doing the same motion. And a lot of MLB pitchers even today have similar motions. So if it was considered a balk you’d have way more pitchers getting balks called on them.

I have umpired and I have had a batter like that, and in that case I'm going to make him hurry up and NOT stop the pitcher. In this video all of the pitchers were totally unaware of the batter (which is probably a good pitching mentality) BUT, the batter should have a reasonable time to get ready too. So. the fix is the catcher knowing his pitcher and waiting to give signs. I just did a 10U high level tournament (if there is such a thing) and a couple catchers in that tournament did just that. They waited for the batter before giving the sign. They also always made sure the batter wasn't peeking in on the sign. If I did a video on slow batters, I'd get complaints the other way. This video is meant to point out that just having two feet in the box does NOT mean the pitcher is free to pitch. The batter has to be reasonably set. The umpire should control this on both ends.

The first rules you state are true under rule 7.13. But no where in the rules does it say anything about "both hands on the bat." That phrase does not exist in the rules. The rules do say the pitcher may not pitch until, "the batter is reasonably set in the batter's box." Rule 8.05(e) This batter is NOT reasonably set. The pitcher starts his delivery before the batter is ready. It is unsafe for a pitcher to deliver the pitch when the batter is not looking at the pitcher and therefore this is one way to define "reasonably set." This is a "quick pitch" by rule and is to be a Ball to the batter.