Just so you know the Tau don't travel through the warp like some of the other races in 40k do, they instead kind of skim over it's surface in a manner which is slower but MUCH safer. Not sure if there's even any risks associated with there form of travel.
don't the tau see daemons as just weird aliens? their lack of belief in superstition means they're souls are so small that the warp doesn't even register them as food.
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 IIRC it's less slower and less advanced than the reverse engineered Imperial warp drive the Tau based their FTL technology on, specifically it's inferior because they lack Gellar field generators and a way to navigate the warp.
something to consider is that the titanfall universe as we see it is only the sparsely populated outer edges amidst a rebellion. even the IMC is only a tiny force stretched thin across a whole section of the galaxy. as is stated in one of the audio logs in cause and effect, the IMC is just trying to hold out for reinforcements from the core worlds the will arrive in a few years. the reason the frontier exists is because humanity became so powerful and expansive that they stripped entire star systems of resources and ran out of space for expansion, which indicates a population somewhere in the quadrillions if we assume that there was at least two inhabited planets in each neighbouring system filled to maximum capacity. also, all the titans are just repurposed construction equipment shipped out to build the frontier. so yes, the tau would wipe the floor with the Militia and IMC on the frontier. no question about that, the frontier just lacks manpower and manufacturing to win long term against a thousand world empire. but then the core worlds would suck the tau dry and spit out the husk. the reinforcement fleet alone was hinted at being able to end the frontier wars within weeks of their arrival, so it's reasonable to assume the core worlds are equipped with enough manufacturing and combat facilities to fight, sustain, and win both a blitz and a war of attrition. as well as the fact that, in an all out war, they would happily consume any captured planets and turn it into more guns. sorry fishies, but you really can't win this for more than a few years, maybe a decade at best.
Wait so the actual force of humanity in titanfall is a comparably 40k golden age of technology Era human civilization? Then oh yeah they wipe the floor with the rotting imperium and the expending Tau.
@@matthewmcleaster also the militia would put up a strong enough defense that I think the tau might not even make it into the core worlds. looking back, the tau's advantages in 40k are basically just that they're not retards, which is pretty weak compared to the absolute powerhouse that is an entire galactic arm's worth of untapped resources and currently being researched alien superweapons. the ark was only one artefact, so god knows how much more would show up to wreak havoc among the hoof's outposts and supply lines
@@matthewmcleasteryeah pretty much. If the Titanfall universe was reduced to the size of earth, the entire frontier war would pretty much be a fist fight between some rats in the subway of New York. Humans own the whole Milky Way galaxy, story takes place on the very edges of that.
@@matthewmcleaster *Nods* Yup, this is primarily because Anthem is canon to the Titanfall universe... or, rather, Titanfall is a small footnote in the insanity of the Anthem universe. And Anthem's tech is basically comic book level space magic.
@@zaxxo2808 IMO battlesuits would be like pilots but worse we know that pilots can beat a titan in 1V1 as long as it manages to get on top of the titan or with heavy weaponry. A battlesuit not only has flight allowing them to easily get on top of the titan and disable it but their weapons are stronger than anything titanfall has not to mention that stealthsuits would quickly become the bane of titans
@@palpadur1112 true but one could say the same of the battlesuits, for their pilots it's almost like a second skin to them and the Ghostkeel is basically a titan mech housing an A.I that comforts the pilot and prefers their company over others.
I think generally speaking for regular infantry it’ll be a tie, Pilots being countered by stealth units. On the mech front, a regular battle suit can snipe and essentially evaporate a chimera tank from kilometers away. They’re incredibly accurate. Iirc in one of the Cain novels, a battle suit does a near-miss to Caine Chimera, with the Inquisitor confirming that T’au battle suits have no issues killing imperial tanks and APC.
@@Buster-McTunder they don’t actually. T’au military doctrine is focused on range and firepower. If you see a T’au in melee, it’s likely you’ve already won. Regular battlesuits can snipe tanks and imperial Knights at several kilometers range with their regular armaments, and are mostly as mobile as regular infantry.
I love the Titanfall series, but I think Tau take a war against the IMC due to sheer numbers, denial of territory in space combat, and when we take the Riptide and Ghostkeel into account (both which are larger and more durable than Crisis Suits), I think they end up taking the ground war too. Titans and Pilots are like lone mercenaries, infrequently engaging in combined arms and group tactics. The Tau ethos is all about group tactics and tactical strikes. While several Titans coordinate to take down a Riptide, the Stealth Battlesuits are marking targets for a team of Broadsides to eliminate in a salvo of long range Railgun fire. Meanwhile, Ghostkeels are striking lone Titans at point-blank with Fusion Meltas before disappearing and reappearing like the Ronan's fade ability.
The tau do not out beat the IMC due to sheer number, hell the tau had to gamble for the one planet until uriel told the tau leader that they would bombard the planet before they can take it, meanwhile the imc have forces in far space, and don't think the imc from titanfall 2 is the whole imc because the real imc forces are in the core worlds as they were locked away from the frontier due to the militia winning the battle of demetar
@@tothewin5388comparing the imperium to the IMC is like comparing the rest of the world to Hawaii the former is like massively larger than the former plus funnily enough they're for the most part more advanced than titanfall humanity military wise
@XD-sc4ix funny enough, the current imperium tech is no where advance as titanfall tech. Hell, they have to pray to this "machine god" in order for their shot to work, and also, we were talking the tau vs. titanfall. The imperium and the imc are comparably as just as there are an uncomprehensible amount of humans in warhammer 40k, there are also an uncomprehensible amount of humans in the titanfall s they also spread out across the galaxy.
@Wildgamer2205 That is a tough one. I think your average Crisis Suit is better than your average Mobile Suit. But a Gundam is quite a bit better than the average Crisis Suit, and probably on par, or better than Commander Farsight's top of the line battlesuit with the most advanced A.I. and a life-staling sword. I think part of the equation would have to be how durable and powerful the Gundam are, and how they might stand up to Tau Ion/Rail and Fusion. I think most Gundam could take on scores of Tau battlesuits and be able to dispatch them without too much trouble, but I wonder whether they would wind up getting eviscerated by a stray Railgun from a Tau Hammerhead or Broadside.
I think you're underestimating the IMC's sheer production speed and their mobile factories. Not to mention their AI's are far more advanced a spectre can think, can even develop a personality, a Tau drone is just a drone but a spectre can hold a grudge and plan a method of payback. If the IMC can get their factories into the ground they will pump out reapers, spectres, and Titans non-stop until they are destroyed.
Spectres aren't that smart at all I think you're confusing them with simulacras which are humans that had their personality transferred into a robot body. You're overestimating IMC production speed it's actually pretty mid also spectres aren't impressive they're just slightly better than the basic grunts
Considering the cheer scale of planetary annihilation's Battles, i would say that if they are left unchecked for more than 24 hours, the robots Will do the imperial guards's strategy but with giant heavy tanks instead of poorly equiped men (sorry for the bad grammar)
@@bigtoast5481 nothing beats supreme commander in terms of crazy and i want to see a channel talk about it. 40k is still fucked, but it would be interesting to see a breakdown
@@Buster-McTunder They're basically unkillable biomechanical suits psychically piloted by a bunch of kids called Tenno, who took a dip in the equivalent to the Warp which gave them cool powers, and now live their lives turning the Geneva convention into a checklist
I love titanfall. i have roughly 550 hours but the tau take this as even tho the titans and pilot's are amazing in there own right the main force for the imc is spectures milita and reapers which get absolutely decimated by the tau and while titans are superior to many tau battlesuits they are not superior to the upper level battle and they are outnumbered also tf is my boi northstar or legion gonna do against a KX139 battlesuit when one comes around and starts one shotting every titan
I would totally recommend the book series Farsight if anyone is interested in what the tau empire is like in terms of technology and thought process. And it’s a pretty good book to boot!
Titanfall is Pretty outmatched here, for example Commander Farsight was given 100 billion soldiers and thousands of ships to reconquer planets lost to the Imperium and it wasn't the only operation the Tau launched at that time.
That's just painfully bad scaling. They have barely 100 worlds. Even if every world had ten billion people which is a huge if, that's a 10th of their population. They don't have hive worlds. They talk about being horrified by hive worlds and how populated they are. Bad writing.
And Titanfall has reliable FTL, nanotech and automated robotic forces that can grow on geometric scale. If you didn't play it then why are you so eager to antagonise more people against Tau fans and their delusions?
@@TheArklyte you're just asking the tau to steal and reverse engineer it. Except they don't otherwise why bother with human grunts and pilots if they could drown each others in robot bodies?
We haven't really seen much in the way of space combat in titanfall. However their superior ftl would make the range advantage a moot point. Then of course the imc has the ability to make planet killers like the fold weapon so. As for ground combat the shield tech used by the imc would be a huge advantage given its abilty to absorb incoming projectiles very well and would allow them to close any gap present. Then of course their nature of being orbital drop capable making tau bread and butter warfare largely untenable.
@@iamthereddemon20 ACs are on average 10-11m tall. Fitted with weaponry that sometimes lobs shells as large as tanks, if were talking Grenade Cannons. And the ACs themselves are high-performance machines. So yeah, it would be an unfair comparision
As much as I would love to say the IMC would win, I think it would eventually just be a draw between both sides, reason why is the IMC would eventually get Tau weapons and reverse engine them, even if it's a rifle, they would put two and two together and do the American thing of, "Let's Super Size It!"
Then you realize Earth Federation produced something called turn-A gundam, which single-handedly sent humanity back to stone age... Even without its moonlight butterfly, it has capability to basically teleport the beam it fires from its rifle to directly inside the cockpit of its target mobile suit. On top of that, it can self-repair if it somehow sustain damage. On the slightly lower end, the feds also possess things like Unicorn, Banshee, and Phenex. All of which capable of near fantastical feats in a world of grounded sci-fi. Their predecessor, nu-gundam was able to push an asteroid sized colony away from falling to earth... That being said, IMC space travel tech seems to be better than that of earth federation, at least before the feds created Turn-A, as by then they've invented spatial teleportation and multi-function nanomachines.
@@spearsage The IMC has developed time travel technology. This allows them to not only deploy troops at various points in time, but also remove enemies from existence in an instant.
@@somerandomdude7785 the only time travelling device they have is a wristwatch thing that can move the user back or forward in time for a limited time they're not skynet
@@spearsage not even that the b*tch basic zaku 1 alone is like three to four times the size of a titan and it's zaku gun is at least on-par with the heavy weapons used by titans
Tau battlesuits equipped with a sword and shield? Are you simply uninformed, or high? Only SINLGE PERSON in Tau army (technicaly leader of splinter faction still kinda Robin Hoodishly loyal to the race, but painted traitor by powers that be in Tau empire) is Commander Farsight. Tau did researched some plasmatic weaponry with "permanent", yet limited in lenght streem of plasma, wich look and work kinda like two wrist mounted swords, but although it is devastating weapon, it comes with unacceptable percentage of losses in Tau own ranks. And finally, some ethereals do wield (and in fight relly on) ceremonial double bladed staff. The rest of "swords" used in Tau army is mostly as a ceremonial and survival equipment, instead of a weapon fo war. Tau FTL travel is VASTLY different from using hyperspace for "shortcuts". Tau FTL inspired by human hyperdrive, but using different principles because of tau lack of navigator mutant gene. It was described as the ship "compress" the space and interdimensional barrier underneath itself, and than like an empty bottle jumping out of the bathtub - but unlike that, Tau can "aim" the ship to its destination and the speed with wich it is "jumping out" is still technicaly superluminal (although slower -and vastly more secure- than direct travels through warp). In the "versus" part, you forgot to implement social differences between Tau and titanfall humans. Tau live in 4 caste society, with fifth, extra innumerous cast serving as clergy and bosses to all others. Fire cast fight on the ground, air cast fight in the air, earth cast are workers, mechanics and sciencists, and the water cast are the ambasador, buyrocrats and accountants. Main problem with them is, the "casts" are so far apart SOCIALLY from each other, that there are BIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES between them. Ergo - with TAU, there will be maximum limit on fighters numbers, human on the other hand can LEARN and assume any role needed (including warrior). Battlefield efficiency is a bit more on the side of titans. Although obviously weaker, i do belive they (when the setting will allow same numbers on both sides) have potential to win. I mean - automatic headshot pistol is still ONLY a pistol, but its incredible impact on battlefield effectivness is gamechanging. The same goes for similar other (seemingly less modern than their tau conunterparts) technologies.
One thing you didn't put into account: T'au reach adulthood faster in lieue with their lower lifespan than humans. This means they can actually recover their losses much faster than humans can, not counting the fact that they also make use of cloning technology and AI based on their best warriors to bolster their ranks. For example, Farsight's Eight (other than Farsight himself and few other members) are comprised of either clones or battlesuit controlled by AI based on the original pilots.
How about Tau vs Battletech? That should be an interesting matchup. Battletech has a good timeline of technological advancement, too, unlike most factions in 40k who are stagnant or regressive and have been for millennia.
@@Buster-McTunder yeah, the first game ends with the battle of Demeter, while the entirety of the second game takes place on Typhon which is where General Marter had his research facility.
I would like to point out that the tau only access the warp in emergencies if at all. The more often use a sublight system which moves them through real space close to the speed of light in a straight up fight the Tau win in space but the Imc uses jump drives which while they do need to recharge can get them around very quickly especially in relatively small areas like for example jumping from in atmosphere to hundreds of kilometers outside atmosphere in moments but we also see their larger ships travel in a week or so from one planet where the fold weapon was to their home planet in the confined battle zone of the frontier armies very quickly were able to move around and redeploy
In an infantry on infantry fight I feel like the IMC would have a slight edge over the tau due too their ability to rapidly close the gap and engage the tau at close range whilst using their smaller size and high mobility to more easily utilize the terrain to their advantage as the tau’s armor would reduce their ability to use cover as effectively and against the kroot who are shown to wear little in the way of heavy armor more of the IMC’s arsenal would be effective. So all in all I’d say the IMC would most likely win against the tau tho it would be definitely be quite close.
Easy Answer: Tau Battlesuits on their own get roflstomped, however with sufficient numbers, which they can definetly bring, they can take down quite a lot of the Gundams and other mobile suits of the Franchise.
This is a matchup that Tau could only win through scale. If a Tau fleet tried to take the UC Earth Sphere, they would probably get stopped by the forces helmed by the Unicorn and Banshee, and if the Phenex decides to join the fight they'd be done. Remember when Gyunei used his powers to sense the locations of and then destroy an entire volley of nukes before they hit their target? He's not even the strongest Newtype and he did that pretty easily. I think the Tau can only win if they can overwhelm the Humans, otherwise they'd have to rethink their entire approach.
@@Titanic_Tuna Too be fair, the Unicorn Brothers are one of the weapons the EF can field due to the T'au's range advantage. And they do have missile warheads to clean entire planets of their populations and Powergrids
I think The IMC would win and especially if before Jack Cooper killed the Apex predators, the tau would have a very struggle against the Apex pages like viper and Sloane and Ash and insane time. The battles suits of the tau would do some good damage against the IMC.
I think generally speaking for regular infantry it’ll be a tie, Pilots being countered by stealth units. On the mech front, a regular battle suit can snipe and essentially evaporate a chimera tank from kilometers away. They’re incredibly accurate. Iirc in one of the Cain novels, a battle suit does a near-miss to Caine Chimera, with the Inquisitor confirming that T’au battle suits have no issues killing imperial tanks and APC. Buster is focusing a lot on their Titan Killers here, which were developed after the T’au encountered imperial Warhound and Warlord titans. Titanfalls titans are more in the range of Imperial Knights.
I've heard it mentioned several times in the video that the T'au use swords with their battlesuits, but I think that it's false; the only case of a T'au using a sword that I know of is Farsight and his Dawn Blade. (there are experimental weapons like fusion blades and onager gauntlets, but those are very rarely, if ever, used. They are also not swords)
So Titanfall is 200 years ahead of Halo yet they're less technologically advanced for the most part??? Geez, should've had tbis take place in the 24th or 25th centery.
It's probably a stalemate battle going either way, as the tau are superior in tech but the IMC works better as a military with strike teams that attack designated targets as the tau work in firing lines for large engagements
I'd give the range advantage to the Tau 100% firepower wise the Tau have a edge but Titan weaponry isn't to be scoffed at either and is pretty powerful so I don't think it's a overwhelming Advantage. Titans however do have things that battlesuits don't like the far more esoteric abilities and the advanced AI in the titans also helps. But we also just don't have a whole lot of info in the titanfall universes military power. As far as a I know we don't really have numbers for the IMC or the Frontier same with their production capabilities aside from knowing that the IMC is able to pump out a crap ton of stuff if they really wanted to. And make heavy use of robotics. Aside from that we know that their basic infantry to carry anti-titan weapons but that's about it.
Hate to be THAT guy, but Battlefleet Gothic isn't to scale because otherwise other factions wouldn't be able to be seen if at the same scale as Imperial ships
Two massive advantages that the tau have that you didn’t factor in is the tau’s fusion and missile weapons. Even the smallest fusion weapons that are on the stealth and crisis battle suits would roughly be at the same level as the laser core on ion and larger ones. Like what the ghostkeel has would probably cut a titan in two before the pilot would know it was coming and missile weapons like the seeker missiles if they were guided by a maker light could probably destroy titans before they even hit the ground. In the part of the video when you are comparing mechs you said a Northstar would be able to avoid a storm surge and that would be true for its main gun but if it shot one of its destroyer missiles the Northstar would be helpless the stop it as it’s coming. Because tau missiles are able to do almost 90 degree turns instantly.
Btw, The Tau just enter the most outer part of the Warp, this allows them to avoid demons, but also makes their travel 5 times slower than Imperial ships.
I feel like the most 1 to 1 matchup would be a T'au Riptide against something like an Ion or Monarch, Broadsides probably more equivalent to the Ogre class titans, and probably something like coldstars or Ghostkeels against the Strider titans.
As much as I love the Titanfall universe, they aren't going to win against anything in the 40k universe. You have to keep in mind that titanfall is set in year 2700 (about). What I am trying to say is that the titanfall story isn't as sci-fi advanced as the tau.
I’m pretty sure that the tau win the infantry battle as you only covered 3 of grunts that the tau use and they have some pretty crazy tech though I do think titans are superior to the battlesuits
You didn’t mention the monarch I’m assuming it’s because it was a militia invention. But still the IMC did steal a suit and reverse engineer the tech. The constantly upgrading kit might make it the most versatile titan depending on the loadout and wether or not they can get more than 3 upgrades
Seeing the clips from the Exodite really pains me. Couldve been great, but instead they didnt miss an opportunity for another Xenos L. Just look at all these XV8 swarming a Titan. That's not how T'au fight, not even with Mont'ka doctrine. For those titans, they'd field titans of their own or do it like they did on their second encounter with them, bomb them into dust.
Yeah, even as a massive Imperium fanboy, the Tau in that series could have handled the battle far better. We know that small-scale spacecraft like fighters and bombers in 40K are quite massive, with things like Mantas and Tigersharks being like ants compared to the capital ships. However, some of those carry ordinance meant to take out capital ships in enough saturation, and it would be quite easy and affordable for the Tau to have spared just a few space bombers armed with small anti-ship missiles to fire at the Titans.
@@nobleman9393 But this is 40k, both sides would have masive fleets in orbit and massive armies on the ground, even the T'au. Especially since the Mantas are essential to their doctrine, which also involves Droppen Battlesuits from the Skies. And if the T'au were so low on resources, they would have retreated and not wasted more resources. It makes no sense however you look at it.
I've personally always wondered how the armored core verse would do in 40k. those mechs are sweet. In the games you take out what could arm a nation every mission, on like the low end of things. But I doubt highly that armored core has any depicted gear for foot soldiers.
“Put them both in an open field and it could go either way” oh, oh my no. That is far too close for the taus liking. The tau would win but their standard range for combat is sniper distance for anyone else… and war is still whoever holds the high ground wins, and orbit is the ultimate high ground. So if the tau win on navel forces then tau win outright.
The point he made about the north star is irrelevant once you learn of the existence of cold star commanders. The cold stars are the same thing, but better. They are faster, tougher, and more heavily armed.
Also, the main big gun isn't the only thing the stormsurge has. It's not specifically anti titan. It has cluster rocket pods that can hit many fast-moving enemies. It has two smart missile systems that can hit you without the pilot needing to know where you are. It has flamers/ airbursting fragmentation projectors (smart shotguns) that are good for nearby area denial. And they are never deployed alone anyway. I hate it when people purposely make downplay warhammer or only use the lowest end of what things could be.
Alright so no watch thoughts is Tau weapons are considerably stronger even if they’re comparable, Northstars railgun is significantly subsonic for some reason, ions plasma cannons take whole mags to melt titans, I understand these are gaming balance things but this is how they’re presented to us
If you had an army of vanguard class titans, the tow would be toast. The modularity and adaptability of this titan class will allow it to thrive in 40k
As someone who loves Titanfall 2 and also plays the tau, infantry as a basis is truly a toss-up I cannot sway to one side of the other, but when it comes to battle suits I have more of a favor towards the tau. The only reason is because of the ghostkeel a giant stealth suit. That can be armed with an anti-armor gun. On top of that all crisis suits can fly. So they would have a greater air advantage even over Northstar
I mean, have you seen how a NorthStar flies? Sure they have the air advantage over other titans, but unless they can actively and accurately fire while in the air I don't think the suits would give tau the air advantage. Their fighters however would. I could see them shooting even viper out of the sky. Air caste is pretty good.
Nothing except maybe Kakarott gets leveled by 40k and Kakarott get drops in the warp; good luck fist fighting Khorne or do magic beams that sure gonna work, oh wait Khorne is immune to magic (and yes chi is a magic system)
@@Fueganthefireyguy yeah but You know what? The necrons don't care, worst case szenario is literally them trowing imprisoned gods at You and except if You are a teleporter Tarzyn is an obstacle impossible to overcome, he is smart enough to outsmart someone who is also a genius and got infinite trys, he got master pokeballs and multiple armys that are mind controlled. Also there is a god that gets stronger even if you defeat it because that feeds him. 40k is the single mos bonkers universe ever, like I said only the beam attacks ind dbz are more ridiculous and they just won't work on some enemies namely all the ones being able to phase and Khorne himself. I mean to beat warhammer You have to survive being the main target in the universe where there is only war, okay war and sadomaso elves but lets not talk about them
@@537zun4relax, 40k is high-mid level sci-fi. Dr who, Macross, Halo, star blazers, gunbuster, Shakara 2000AD, Gurren Lagann, Xeelee sequence, Marvel, star wars, star trek, destiny and DC have factions/races that could or would dominate 40k.
Part 1 Reapers are actually on the pretty low end of Scifi powerscales. The majority of their power comes from the fact that they have hyperspecialized in a specific Tech tree (Mass Effect tech) and leave a galaxy-wide trap for any civilizations in their galaxy by having the Mass relays encourage all other civilizations to develop along the same tech tree. Then, when they inevitably find the Citadel as a nexus for all the Mass relays, they will be pressured to make it their seat of power for logistical convenience. This, combined with the time they have been active for and the number of cycles they have done means that the Reapers that the Reapers only ever have to fight enemies that have very inferior versions of ther own tech, which they can very easily locate all the strategic assets and colonies of due to the MR network, and their capability of Indoctrination giving them all the info and contextual knowledge on their victims that they might otherwise miss. Essentially, the Reapers have the entire game rigged from the start. The Necrons are on a whole different tier to the Reapers. The Necrons fought a continuous (possibly-inter)galactic, interdimensional and temporal total war of extermination against a species of godlike magical reality benders and tons of their reality-bending weaponized servant species, for at least 5 MILLION YEARS (that's the time stated in one scene of the novel The Infinite and The Divine, where some Necrons are having an opera recounting the main events of the War, and it lasts a solid 31 years to recount just the big events of the 5 million year long war). The enemies of the Necrons could psychically create almost anything they wanted to out of virtually nothing and manifest their collective will to create gods from weaponized concepts and emotions and deploy them in the battlefield (Eldar) and alter reality to make their own forces more effective and have things work that otherwise should be impossible, not to mention actively get more powerful the more conflict they are in (Krork). The Old Ones were also adept in a power called Enuncia, which is an eldritch language that could again, easily alter reality at the most basic level. The Necrons themselves, with their C'tan allies/masters, were actually WINNING the War in Heaven before the Eldar God Cegorach tricked some of the C'tan into eating each other to gain more power than they could from anything else, thus causing a crap-ton of infighting which allowed the few remaining Old Ones and their forces to recover enough strength to last longer. The Necrons had developed multiple ways to counteract and nullify or at least dampen the reality-bending powers of their enemies by using tech that severed or weakened the connection between the Warp and the material universe. They were even in the process of building enough of these installations such as Blackstone pylons (which are the things on Cadia and some other worlds that kept the Eye of Terror from spreading across the entire galaxy, the Birth of Slaanesh just reopened it a bit and Abaddon destroying Cadia and pylons on other worlds allowed the galaxy to be split in half by a Warp Rift) to completely and permanently severing any and all connection from the Warp to the Material universe, to the extent that not even souls could exit anymore. This would cut off their enemies from most of what made them powerful. As for the tech of the Necrons, it is hilariously overpowered compared to anything the Reapers could possess. Their basic disposable infantry and support drone weapons disintegrate things on the molecular or atomic scale, their common construction/repair drones carry weapons that trap things in pocket dimensions, they have common antimatter weaponry, and all of their melee weapons and some other tech is hyperphasic, meaning it can shift across a ton of different dimensions to phase through enemy defenses, or make themselves incorporeal to attacks. Their tech is all made of Necrodermis, an extremely-advanced material that can self-repair from even the most grievous of damages, practically anything short of complete atomic disintegration or being attacked by Warp magic, which interferes with the functions of the material. Sure, Necron units can be destroyed by conventional enemy attacks, but they will either always start to self-repair on the fly or they will teleport back to a secure location and be repaired more extensively. This means that any Necron forces destroyed, unless done so by Warp magic, total obliteration or the destruction of their secure backup facilities, will ALWAYS come back later. They have pretty much unlimited energy supplies and can use their scarabs to break down things on an atomic level in order to reconstitute the mass and energy consumed into more useful things, like a replicator in Star Trek or Subnautica. Necron ships are also the most advanced in the setting, being faster and more maneuverable than anyone except for the Eldar and having stealth and disruption systems that work extremely well against most other civilizations. They also have 2 modes of FTL: Inertialess drive and Dolmen gates. Inertialess drives essentially do what Mass Relays do to ships in that they make the ship virtually massless so it can accelerate theoretically infinitely fast with no resistance whatsoever. Except ALL Necrons ships can do this, and they can use it to travel anywhere they damn want to, no relays or infrastructure required.
Part 2 The other kind of Necron FTL are Dolmen Gates, which are essentially entrances to parts of the Old One Webway that the Necrons captured during the War in Heaven, and maintain a stable control zone that protects Necron forces travelling through them from the sapient hostile nature of the psychic dimension created by their enemies. They use these for strategic and convenience purposes, either for attacking specific targets faster or because the Inertialess drive FTL just makes them go hyperfast in realspace and not in another dimension, meaning that maybe enemies can detect them in advance and they don't want that to happen. Necrons are also capable of making endlessly-selfreplicating swarms of their scarabs, which as mentioned before, break down anything in front of them on the atomic scale. They also have specialized mindschackle scarabs, which cybernetically mind control any enemies in a very effective, very nuanced way that makes it seem like the targets are acting completely normally except they will subconciously serve the interests of the Necrons and are completely loyal to the Necron(s) in charge of the scarabs, whether they know it or not. They also have a solid understanding of both interdimensional and temporal manipulation, with an entire specialist caste of people who are experts in time-manipulation and yes, time travel, called Chronomancers. They had such familiarity with time-tech that their most skilled of Chronomancers, that being Orikan the Diviner, would not only use time travel to savescum any battles or situations he lost until he won by doing things better the next time, but he would use time travel to win arguments against his political rivals as well. Given that the nature of the Warp in 40K has time acting weird there, it's likely that both sides were capable of time travel and savescumming battles, and the Necrons were still winning the war. The interdimensional things has already been mentioned with the repair drones (canoptek spyders) and hyperphase weapons and they commonly use pocket dimensions for other things like to capture enemies. There are a few reasons why the Necrons aren't in complete dominance over the galaxy and much of the greater universe and its associated dimensions: 1: During the latter parts of the War in Heaven, the Necrons were flat-out winning. The weaponized species of the Old Ones and all their reality-bending power had proven themselves effective for a time, but the Necrons had gotten used to and fought them to a standstill. Additionally, the Warp was becoming more dangerous and unstable to use due to all of the negative emotional and psychic energy of millions of years of galactic and interdimensional slaughter and suffering), meaning less reliability for the Necrons' enemies in their powers, and the Necrons developing their anti-Warp pylon network to permanently separate the two realities. HOWEVER, some of the most powerful assets of the Necrons, the godlike beings known as the C'tan, who were the undisputed masters of the physical universe, were tricked by one of the Eldar Gods into infighting and consuming each other, oftentimes bringing their enslaved Necron forces along with them, leading to Roman Empire situation where civil wars between competing leaders left gaps in their defenses for outside parties to exploit. 2: The infighting and petty destruction caused by the C'tan, in addition to the fact that the Necrons had been enslaved to them and the souls of their entire species eaten by them, led the Silent King (the Necron who had the technical control of ALL Necronkind and its tech via absolute administrative command codes)to orchestrate a rebellion against the C'tan while they were unawares, playing the role of the dutiful servant until they were in position to betray their Gods. The Necrons tried to flat out delete one from existence, but since the C'tan were fundamentally tied to reality itself on a conceptual level, this backfired and the killed C'tan remanifested as a condition called the Flayer Virus which caused a lot of Necrons to go completely insane and feral and pointlessly hunger for the flesh of living beings. Learning from their mistake, the Necrons then chose to instead shatter each C'tan into thousands of smaller shards and trap each of them in pocket dimension prisons called Tesseract Vaults, and then harvest them for energy or unleash individual shards as a weapon of last resort. Predictably, betraying an entire species of massively-boosted godlike beings (who had reduced themselves to a comparatively few, exponentially MORE-POWERFUL beings due to the surviving C'tan eating and gaining the power of all the other C'tan they ate) resulted in uncountable casualties on the side of the Necrons. Them shattering the C'tan also meant that they lost their most powerful assets and weapons in the War, and the Anti-Warp Pylon project was delayed due to the technology being invented by one of the C'tan. Due to this, the Necrons were left MASSIVELY-weakened to the extent that in all the time it took to actually finish their plan, their surviving enemies (very few remaining Old Ones, the Eldar, Krork, and other species) had regained enough strength and numbers to be a serious threat to the Necrons as they were. 3: To save themselves the trouble of the previous situation, the Necrons, using their hypertech and maybe temporal skills, accurately predicted when the Eldar and Krork would live out their reigns and decline and fall due to eventual debauchery and complacence. This would take 60 million years, but since the Necrons were immortal self-repairing robots, they could easily wait it out. So they built countless subterranean ecumenopili and artificial planets called Tomb Worlds and put all their units in stasis chambers to wait it out. However, as advanced as they were, the Necrons not being active for that long meant that they couldn't repair or respond to situations proactively anymore, meaning that a lot of Tomb Worlds were destroyed not just by attacks from the Eldar Empire that ruled the galaxy for the next 60 million years, but things like stars going supernova, planets colliding with other celestial objects, being too close to a black hole or quasar that they weren't when they first went to sleep, and even tectonic activity swelling up tomb complexes. The lack of activity also led to the data and internal systems of some Necrons and their tech becoming corrupted or degraded, and some other falling to the Flayer virus mentioned before. Additionally, the timers of all the Tomb worlds weren't precisely synchronized by the time the 60 million years were up, so tomb worlds would wake up at random times and in various states of disrepair.
id say its 50/50 in every aspect. things like the vortex, thermal and particle shields in titan fall can and will stop borderline any projectile that wont outright annihilate the area the titan occupies, so I can easily see the vortex shield catching and rubberbanding tau railgun shots right back at them if the pilot reacts fast enough, if at all, and the thermal shield just incinerates anything that comes into contact with it. the particle shields are just a wall, so they might just get shot by 2 railguns to bypass, one to destroy the shield, other for the titan. The warp tech would also be absolutely critical for fighting in all aspects, especially naval, as with their inferior ship size and weaponry, the IMC would need to basically pull the most annoying of ronin players tactics, jumping in and out of the fight constantly to avoid what will most likely one shot them. For Infantry and armour, its damned near exactly 50/50 on who would win, as it comes down to if a titan can react to a stormsurge railgun and use its shield to reflect or destroy the shot, or if said titan is ambushed and doesn't have the capability or chance to warp out of danger, or get its shield up and facing the attacking force, so its basically a "whoever fires first" type situation. For naval, the IMC is only going to have a chance if they use the warp jumps to do hit and run attacks, and since to my knowledge those require both a lot of power to perform and need cool downs to prevent the engine doing it from cooking itself, (and the fact that the IMC might not even use hit and run and might try to face tank like an idiot), naval would probably be 30/70 in the T'au's favour. Maybe 40/60 on a very very good day and you really push it, but most likely its 20/80 as the T'au would react very quickly after the first, say, 2-3 strafing runs?
The Titan pilot's are super soldiers, they hit the field running RIP Blue commi Xenos. I think the agility and self-destruction core of the Titans would win or at the very least tip the scales for the Titan's side though it is not going to win wars if you are relying on kamikazy tactics *looks at the Pacific campaign from WWII*
i think a lot of people under estimate the power of titan anergy shields (cant be penitrted by anything weaker then rocket launcher.) and the tick and reapers would destroy infantry ,their just so fast and ticks can clear entire buildings in one jump so can the reapers. and specters can take a puch from a super soldier capable of hitting a human anywher and killing them (pilots being the super soldier in question) i think the match up is pretty even but if the imc gets to innovating its a win for them. just my opinion tho.
Tau wins battles but they absolutely suck at war, even something as minor as a death guard incursion basically almost crippled their entire empire and again the chaos nurgle fleet only consisted of a single battleship and a few dozen destroyers and escorts, whilst the tau tend to rely heavily on their technology unfortunately they rely more heavily on their luck than anything else especially since the tau’s three greatest war leaders should be dead ten times over, if it was a more realistic scenario the tau would be a serious or a massive pain in the ass but due to their relatively microscopic empire and lack of any decent long distance FTL outside of a reversed engineered warp drive engine ripped out of a Stolen cargo ship only to end up with one of their members being possessed by a demon or resulting in a massive rift into reality where demons escaped and slaughtered all of the facility staff and was subsequently destroyed via an orbital strike to prevent further destruction 😂
If its just imc titans vs battle suits ihead to head it would depend o. The amount of battle suits and there types but i think tau would win most fights but if the imerium were to allow the space marines to enhance the armor and weapons systems of the titans they would stand a HELL of a better chance even against most battle suits. So regular imc titans maybe prolly not but imperium enhanced and i think the tau will have a much different time onnthere hands
Tau just make a new battlesuit for whatever they face. If they faced Khorne they'd just nake a new battlesuit and kill him. Literally the worst 40k faction.
The true advantage of the Tau Empire is choice. They do not have limitless choices, however they have much more than what the other factions in 40K have.
@@PENTAKOSZIOMEDIMNOSZ They have plot armour. The plot armour is that the Imperium has bigger fish to fry. What about the Orks or the Tyranids or the Necrons? Why haven't they wiped them out yet?
@@ChibiViolin The Tau Empire is hidden by Warp-storms and protected by their unwanted god, alongside their many auxiliaries. Their plot armour is just the fact that they usually get to choose how and where they fight, and that means that they have an enormous advantage. I'm not saying they're well-written everywhere either though, don't get me wrong.
