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Planing Southbend Lathe Bed 

Rees Acheson
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This video is of the planing of a Southbend 10" long bed that I did this past summer. As I recall the bed was 48" long. It was quite worn. There was also an odd bend at the headstock wherein at the end of the bed the last 10" slopped upward about 0.006" above the plane of the bed, and was also bent slightly toward the back as well. I have no idea why. The entire bed also had a slight "S" shape to it in the horizontal plane as can be seen in cutting the backside of the headstock Vee and the final cutting of the back side. However this was so small that it does not raise questions for me.
By the time the video begins the base had already been planed. The bed is long and thus has support pads mid-way in its length. Since these pads are needed for support while planing, the base must be machined flat to insure that all pads are in the same plane. Planing of the base for a lathe with a center foot requires that the tops of the Vees be planed first while the bed is allowed to sag by supporting it only at its ends. Then flipping the bed over and clamping these Vee tops to the table insures that the base will be machined in the plane of the sagging bed. This intern insures that when the base is clamped to the table the bed will be in the plane of the sagging bed at rest.
To cut the Vees the slide is angled and then adjusted for height to just clear the flats between the ways. Then the slide is locked and feeding is done horizontally. The DRO is used to set the spacing between the Vees. After moving the head, a new register is selected and zeroed. This will be the finished position for the opposing way. The head is then backed away from this position and cutting commences.
Of note is that at 13:30 when planing the headstock flat, when I stopped to measure the height between it and its Vee I noticed that I had forgotten to plane the backside of the central Vee. Rats! This meant that I needed to zero the Y axis, switch to another register and re-angle the head to cut the side of the Vee. After this I cold again set the head vertical and resume cutting the flat.
Incidentally, when setting the slide to 45 degrees I placed a large Vee-Block on the table and indicted to its Vee as a reference. And since the flat-tool had already been indicated to be within a tenth in 1.5" of square to the slide travel, I could be quite sure the tool would be 90 degrees to the Vee-Block surface. This is one of the keys to planing a lathe bed using a flat-tool: carefully set up the tool once, and then swivel the head to angle the tool. And is why the "Rats!" above was not in stronger language.
The final 45 seconds is of cleaning up the backside. I like to do this so that it is later easy to determine the alignment of planing, but is unnecessary if this edge is flat and in axis.
It was after this that I noticed that I had forgotten to cut the tops of the Vees. Rats again! I think it is time that I use a checklist to help keep my wits on these jobs. I had to set up the flat tool again for that, but there is no video of cutting them. All three were cut to that same height and to match the same width as the unworn portion of the bed when it arrived - the latter determined by the distance from the flat to the top of the small Vee-Block placed on the way.
I consider machining these flats to be important, not just to maintain clearance in the carriage, but they are "witness surfaces" that tell how the bed was planed. Using them and the planed backside, it can later be determined if the bed is still of the shape as when it was planed (hopefully relaxed and straight), and they also indicate how the bed was setup.
Also noteworthy is that you can see that I wrote "32" on the backside of the front way after planing it. This is a horizontal measurement, but it is also from approximately when the cutter first begins to cut. The number is high because of the bent upward headstock end. As measured from the table, the planing lowered the Vees 0.026", while if 32 thousandths were taken from each side it would have lowered it 0.032".
I did not cut the flats between the ways even though the wear suggested that it might be necessary. The owner was going to place a filler on the carriage ways to maintain leadscrew alignment and so there would be no interference. I have never had to cut these surfaces, and I do not relish the idea of re-stamping the serial and model numbers.

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@lexashpik
@lexashpik Год назад
Как же напряжённо я ждал когда "возьмёт везде". ))
@duron700r
@duron700r Год назад
Some might find it boring but it really was very satisfying to watch and it's neat to see the wear patterns that were corrected! Neat video!
@emersonkluge343
@emersonkluge343 Год назад
It's not boring, it's planing.
@duron700r
@duron700r Год назад
Quite correct! :-) And a whole hour later I got the joke! Oof!
@n9viw
@n9viw 5 месяцев назад
@@emersonkluge343 #facepalm LOL
@brianluck84
@brianluck84 5 месяцев назад
723k views, it's more popular than you think.
@weltraumprasidentsuperstar5871
@weltraumprasidentsuperstar5871 5 месяцев назад
I Germany we say "Das war sehr spanend"
@jmumbauer
@jmumbauer Год назад
So cool to see an old machine being given a new lease on life.
@Tankliker
@Tankliker Год назад
Probably also pretty cost effective if considering the price of the material and the casting process itself.
@Arvipa.
@Arvipa. Год назад
If maintained properly this kind of machines could have 15 times the lifetime of modern machinery
@Tankliker
@Tankliker Год назад
@@Arvipa. very questionable claim
@Arvipa.
@Arvipa. Год назад
@@Tankliker I’ve seen lathes that are 70+yo working better and more precisely than most of the new stuff without the need for a specialized technician coming every 6 month to work out an electronics problem 😅
@Tankliker
@Tankliker Год назад
@@Arvipa. I have a lathe build in 1966 at my current workplace. Mofo has a tolerance of like 0,2mm and the fuse probably was directly taken out of a tank for that motor.
@federicopellegrino4094
@federicopellegrino4094 6 дней назад
The planing machine is a nice one to watch in action! I should put my Southbend H 10" bed on the same table!
@G58
@G58 Год назад
I’ve done every machining process including shaping, but I’ve never done that. Very satisfying to watch. Thank you for sharing.
@jsihavealotofplaylists
@jsihavealotofplaylists Год назад
Hey what's your favorite? And least?
@G58
@G58 Год назад
@@jsihavealotofplaylists Milling. I hated grinding. The silicon dust ruined my lungs.
@stevecarlisle3323
@stevecarlisle3323 6 месяцев назад
It's nice to have a old planer
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 Год назад
That's an incredible amount of wear at the headstock end. I guess about 95% of turning is done withing 2 inches of the chuck.
@alexadams1836
@alexadams1836 Год назад
Clearly this bed is soft cast iron
@Tom-jx9te
@Tom-jx9te 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, that’s usually the case unless the job was down at the other end of the bed like if they were doing long rollers
@user-lj3ie1de6l
@user-lj3ie1de6l 5 месяцев назад
Где Вы видели такой патрон. Тут скорее неправильная установка станины.
@BH_tradie
@BH_tradie 3 месяца назад
That's pretty normal wear on a lathe. That's what teaches apprentices how to become machinest when you have to learn how to use lathes like that. ❤
@BH_tradie
@BH_tradie 3 месяца назад
​@@alexadams1836 South Bends were almost all soft beds. Same as Hercus in Australia. Bloody good lathes though. I still got 1 of each in my workshop. ❤❤
@drewcagno
@drewcagno Год назад
I love the rigged up chain to help hold the tool up during the return stroke. Ultra professional...
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Funny, isn't it. 50 years ago, in order to use tungsten carbide I needed to figure out a way to lift the tool and that is what I did. I even made the air cylinder, and it has been that way ever since. Rees
@mikesmechanical1102
@mikesmechanical1102 3 месяца назад
@@reesacheson5577Appreciate the practical approach. I remember the first thing that I made on a lathe that worked was an adjustable pressure relief valve. It kept the avtur at the correct pressure for the old Holset truck turbo jet engine.
@erneststorch9844
@erneststorch9844 Год назад
You couldn't have planned a Waner & Swasey turret lathe bed like that . They were hardened to 60 rc . I plained turret lathe beds that were raw castings . Nice job on the bed though . I did plan old turret lathe beds for strips. The chips came off in little chunks until you cut through the case harding . What was left cut like butter. That was fifty years ago at their Solon road plant in Ohio. It's to bad they went out of business . It was a fine company that made a great product. I enjoyed working there very much and learn a lot.
@morpheusduvall
@morpheusduvall Год назад
Shame most of the big names are gone now, long before I was born. Hendey Machine was about a half hour away from my house, had Waterbury Farrel and Farrel Birmingham nearby too, many first rate machinists in the area, got to know some of them growing up, outstanding people
@SCARFACE69247
@SCARFACE69247 3 месяца назад
You could probably buy those old machines for pennies and start your own company.
@jeepmanxj
@jeepmanxj 3 месяца назад
You can plain hardened ways. You need a heavy machine but it can be done.
@sblack48
@sblack48 Год назад
Guys read the description. Mr Acheson put in a bunch of great details that will be of interest. I missed it my first time through. Thank you very much for providing that insight into how this is done. Obviously you don’t just bolt it down and pull a lever. It would be very easy to destroy a good lathe bed without an in depth knowledge of the trucks of the trade.
@angelfigueroa310
@angelfigueroa310 Год назад
This is so much more entertaining than any reality tv show . I can watch this for hours
@BruceBoschek
@BruceBoschek Год назад
Thank you for sharing this! I have read about doing this, but have never seen it done. Very good to see this old South Bend get the love it needs!
@phillhuddleston9445
@phillhuddleston9445 2 месяца назад
Very interesting but at the same time it also makes me grateful that the ways on my laths are hardened and ground. Cast iron can last a decent amount of time if properly cared for but not as long as hardened ways can.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 2 месяца назад
That is one way of looking at it. And it is a valid one. There is another point of view, though. Hardened ways become so expensive to recondition that the machine will likely be scrapped rather than fix it. If buying the lathe new, then this may work out for the best. But if buying a used lathe, if the ways are worn, purchase may not be a wise choice. I was never able to afford sending machine parts out for reconditioning and so I have always avoided hardened or chromed ways because of this. And hardened ways are not immune to wear. Typically it is the saddle that first becomes a problem as the leading edges loose their sharpness. This traps dirt which gets sucked in between the ways. The wear propagates with the saddle becoming convex - then acting as a funnel to insure that larger grit will enter. With this the saddle becomes a lap - embedding sharp particles in the cast iron. If some of those particles are harder than 62RC then they will abrade the hard ways. So to prevent wear it is important to insure that the saddle edges remain sharp. This is true for both unhardened and hardened ways. To your point, it is also true that the hardened ones will last longer. But if the edges are kept sharp even the soft lathe beds ought to last. This, of course, assumes that for both types the ways are kept clean and lubricated, and wiped down and oiled before use if allowed to stand idle for long periods of time. The standing idle allows the grit to set into and be held by the drying matrix of lubricant. As the saddle traverses this, the leading edge of the saddle quickly disintegrates. I have three lathes left in my shop. I reconditioned the ways of each about 45 years ago. One had hardened ways and I ground them on the planer. The other two have soft ways and the beds now still show no obvious wear. Neither does the hard one. -Rees
@nickp4793
@nickp4793 Год назад
Wow, I watched every second of the video. Thanks so much for sharing and also for your very detailed description!
@craigtate5930
@craigtate5930 Год назад
Always nice to see your machine in operation
@MrWhite2222
@MrWhite2222 Год назад
Oh man, that's satisfying. That machine is going to be so happy now.
@sky173
@sky173 Год назад
Always a pleasure to see new content from you. I hope to be in touch in the spring! - JG
@raghupathyvp7105
@raghupathyvp7105 Год назад
This is first time i seeing latha bed machining.very nice.thank you sir 👌👍💐
@mgreenl24550
@mgreenl24550 Год назад
Oddly satisfying to watch. Thanks for sharing.
@adamfrench8735
@adamfrench8735 Год назад
Pretty awesome. I love the attention to detail.
@KBLIZZ333
@KBLIZZ333 Год назад
I've seen videos of lathe beds being ground or hand scraped but never seen this method. This is awesome !! I know my bed isn't hardened so knowing this could be an option for me is great. Just need to find someone to do it
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
I have never seen it done either, and so I have no idea how someone else would do it. But this is how I did my 1st one 45 years ago and have done it this way ever since. Rees
@TheMetalButcher
@TheMetalButcher Год назад
Thank you for the explanation Rees. This info will be critical for those who take this up after you. What a wonderful job you did on that planer, I'm sure many, including myself, would be interested if you ever choose to give it up. Thank you for what you do, I consider this a public service there are so few folks that do it affordably! Take care, Noah.
@davecooper406
@davecooper406 16 дней назад
Nice video. Nice sound! Thank you for not adding useless music!!!!
@pweimer47
@pweimer47 Год назад
It’s interesting to see this type of work being done. Thanks for sharing.
@TheAyrCaveShop
@TheAyrCaveShop Год назад
Fantastic work ! Thanks for sharing...the finish your obtaining is amazing ! ATB....Dean
@oldgiapetto
@oldgiapetto 5 месяцев назад
Great job, brought back lots of memories of sitting by a machine while my father made chips.
@robertlawson8572
@robertlawson8572 3 месяца назад
"Great job, brought back lots of memories of sitting by a machine while my father made chips." As a guy said to me a lifetime ago... "when someone asks what I do for a living, I tell them I make swarf" What remains is the product, but I "make" swarf. And a lot of people make the wrong swarf... With carbon steel, we were taught to make swarf that was "C", "6" 0r "9" shaped, that dropped into the tray, didn't wrap, spoiling the product finish...
@Baerenson
@Baerenson Год назад
What a great machine!
@RobertBeck-pp2ru
@RobertBeck-pp2ru 4 месяца назад
I have an old 9 inch South Bend That really needs this operation. Came from a rolling mill in Cleveland, given to me as junk. I don't know anyone who can do this type of repair. I only use the lathe for small short piece work. Thanks for sharing a very interesting video.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 4 месяца назад
If you are indeed looking to get the bed planed send me an email. If you live close enough perhaps my son could do it. If too far, I am trying to find other planers willing to do this work and perhaps there is one close enough. Rees
@robertfontaine3650
@robertfontaine3650 22 дня назад
This looks way more fun than hand scraping.
@dev-debug
@dev-debug Год назад
Don't see many videos of planers in use, very cool.
@rcdogmanduh4440
@rcdogmanduh4440 5 месяцев назад
After 70 years my Southbend lathe could use the ways worked on!
@shirolee
@shirolee 3 месяца назад
Amazing work!!!
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining Год назад
very good job....old school forever
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video! Very neat!!
@ClintsHobbiesDIY
@ClintsHobbiesDIY Год назад
Very interesting vid. I watched every second.
@charliemyres5450
@charliemyres5450 5 месяцев назад
So cool! Thanks for posting.
@andrewphillip8432
@andrewphillip8432 Год назад
This is awesome!
@artmckay6704
@artmckay6704 Год назад
It's dialed in now. I could hear the deep bow where the blade was cutting air. That lathe is going to be spot on after adding and scraping some turcite.... :)
@panther105
@panther105 Год назад
Don't know why, but I always assumed this would be a job for a grinding wheel attachment. This is fascinating..!!
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
The most common method, as you assumed, is grinding. And if the ways have been hardened, grinding is the only option.
@anonymousdifergent3922
@anonymousdifergent3922 Год назад
awesome job
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771
Nicely done. I have a 1915 bed that will eventually need this done.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Well, there aren't many planers left. Especially ones that are in good condition. What kind of lathe? Rees
@tireballastserviceofflorid7771
@@reesacheson5577 it's a South Bend contract lathe. Seems to be all original including the manual and foot locker. Recently stumbled across it on Craigslist. Have been a machines millwright for a long time. Couldn't pass it up.
@eweunkettles8207
@eweunkettles8207 Год назад
will it make you have a better nights sleep
@remi3741
@remi3741 5 месяцев назад
this very nice video took me back about 45 years ago when i did the same kind of work in a machine factory. i wonder how many miles of material i have been scraping of machine beds like this. very nice to see again. and as a machine operator it sure isnt boring but interesting work wich needs full attention, because with hundreds of a mm tolerance. its very easy to make a part into waste if you dont pay attention.
@AirGunnerrr
@AirGunnerrr Год назад
Great video
@jessejohnson159
@jessejohnson159 5 месяцев назад
That is one BIG shaper! 😲😍😍
@Katchi_
@Katchi_ 3 месяца назад
Planer. Losers use emojis.
@prezes-2977
@prezes-2977 Год назад
Naszej maszynie by się taki zabieg przydał!👍
@MortimerKadaver
@MortimerKadaver 7 месяцев назад
Ma wyjebane łoże?
@prezes-2977
@prezes-2977 7 месяцев назад
@@MortimerKadaver Tak ale już sprzedana
@JaapGrootveld
@JaapGrootveld 7 месяцев назад
Very satisfying 😴
@DesertMike
@DesertMike Год назад
Loved running a planer.
@chemapalicio2350
@chemapalicio2350 5 месяцев назад
Good job & video
@Mr.-Fab
@Mr.-Fab Год назад
That is soooo satisfying 😩😩😩
@oneloveinus
@oneloveinus Год назад
I love shaper content!
@jamesogorman3287
@jamesogorman3287 Год назад
Whew! What a lot of wear.
@alanpecherer5705
@alanpecherer5705 Год назад
Very interesting video. You can really see the deep wear to the left of center of the lathe bed near the head (right where you'd expect it to be) I've never done this kind of work, but that seemed like a hell of a lot of wear.
@9mmsafetyalwaysoff00
@9mmsafetyalwaysoff00 Год назад
hes only taking a few thou with those cuts so it seems like a lot had to come off
@zooknut
@zooknut Год назад
That’s awesome! As long as it’s bolted down well it should be nice and true.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 Год назад
That is a wide blade! Looks like it works well.
@RanjeetKumar-ce1wl
@RanjeetKumar-ce1wl Год назад
Hard work
@samrodian919
@samrodian919 Год назад
A very nice job sir! One thing I would ask is that before you start for our visual purposes is to coat all the surfaces in red Dyekem so we can see where the planer is cutting and the amount of wear still to be planed out. Many thanks for this fascinating video.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Good idea. However, I might loose my markings. I use the bed itself for the drawing to mark the depths.
@miltonvidal5820
@miltonvidal5820 Год назад
Muito interessante, eu jamais saberia como era feito o alinhamento do barramento de um torno, você é muito profissional parabéns
@recopakistan1520
@recopakistan1520 Год назад
Casting material looking good Casting shining is good
@backho12
@backho12 Год назад
That breathing is the hydraulic pump doing it’s pumping.
@user-bh5mz9gp2h
@user-bh5mz9gp2h 3 месяца назад
В далеком 75 коллега трудился на строгальном. Было у него их два такой и маленький. Оба ленд лизовские "Цинциннати" . Впоследствии, в 84- 85 и самому довелось на мелком трудиться. Работа не высокой квалификации, строгал заготовки для штампов, матрицы, съемники, пуансоны.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 3 месяца назад
Google translate: "Back in 1975, a colleague worked at a planing machine. He had two of them, one like this and a small one. Both are Lend Lease "Cincinnati". Subsequently, in 84-85, I myself had the opportunity to work in small jobs. Not highly qualified work, planed blanks for dies, dies, pullers, punches." I like hearing of stories like yours. By "Lend Lease" I assume that you mean the program just before World War II where the US gave equipment to England (and perhaps Russia?). -Rees
@user-bh5mz9gp2h
@user-bh5mz9gp2h 3 месяца назад
Да, СССР.
@user-bh5mz9gp2h
@user-bh5mz9gp2h 3 месяца назад
Во время 2й Мировой.
@shawnhuk
@shawnhuk Год назад
Pretty wild to actually SEE how much wear there is.
@guyward5137
@guyward5137 5 месяцев назад
Something soothing about watching that
@Ciceroinvencoeseartes
@Ciceroinvencoeseartes Год назад
Top excelente Parabéns pelo trabalho amigo 👍 👍🤝👍😍😍👍
@rosewhite---
@rosewhite--- 4 месяца назад
friend in UK factory worked lathe that had bed worn 1/8 inch in 2 years due to using some super new coolant!
@rosewhite---
@rosewhite--- 4 месяца назад
I did planing 62 years ago!
@cm5838
@cm5838 6 месяцев назад
That thing had a hell of a dip in it
@American_Made
@American_Made Год назад
Awesome. I want my clausing done.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
With regard to getting planing work done, my son, who now owns the shop, is interested in doing these jobs and is willing to try to fit them into his work schedule. Because I have more planing experience, he would be doing the job, but I would be there with him to help. I am eager to see this planer continue to work. The first step is to collect the email addresses of those interested so that we can discuss how to go about this. If still interested please use the address in the ABOUT section. Thanks. Rees
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 Год назад
It's interesting that the planer sounds like a giant breathing in his sleep, whilst the traveling head shaper we have downstairs sounds like a donkey braying, but it's possibly a bit worn..
@piotruszkiewicz
@piotruszkiewicz Год назад
Dobra robota. Pozdrawiam
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Thank you.
@brandontscheschlog
@brandontscheschlog Год назад
Love these videos!
@BitterTruth123
@BitterTruth123 Год назад
One can easily tell where the turret saddle spent most of it's days.
@thomasutley
@thomasutley Год назад
Rees, excellent video, thanks for sharing. What are your thoughts about also touching up the bottom way surfaces for the rack in front and the rear anti-lift gib?
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Those surfaces must remain reasonably parallel to the planing and I sometimes plane them, but usually not. For the rack, several thousandths out of parallel, or in waviness should be fine. And on the back it depends on the lathe. The Southbends that I know of from that era have a anti-lift gib that accommodates variation in that the side that contacts the carriage is higher than the sliding surface. In this way, the bolts that hold it are snugged and then backed off a bit. There seems to be a wide range on most I have encountered. Further, they have seemed to use lock washers that have the effect of inducing a spring action to the gib, accommodating variation in clearance. I don't often have that gib, or the carriage, but if I do I try to adjust the angle of that gib so that it fits reasonably well. In any event, I check for parallel to the ways and decide how to handle it case by case. Rees
@cowjazz7906
@cowjazz7906 4 месяца назад
like the video,first see this process
@billyc2572
@billyc2572 Год назад
Cool to see how much wear there is on a machine that did most its machining saddle close to the chuck
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
The thing is, once the bed and saddle are not straight dirt gets sucked in between the two and the saddle becomes a lap. Then the wear proceeds quite rapidly - to both the bed and the saddle. The saddle becomes banana shaped making it still worse. And the worn bed near the chuck insures that the saddle will never fit the unworn portions again. Rees
@219jello
@219jello Год назад
We always avoided regrinding lathe beds as a means of rebuilding lathes. Unless you're going to make liners to go under the saddle to bring the saddle back to proper height, your feed rod and lead screws will be out of alignment due to the saddle dropping. All depends on how much wear needs machined off. Don't forget, if the bed is worn, so is under the saddle.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
The owner of this lathe bed is going to machine the saddle and fill it with a plastic way material to bring it back into alignment with the leadscrew. Even though on a Southbend it is simple to shim down the changegear box and end support, this lathe was so worn that using the filler seemed the best option. Rees
@219jello
@219jello Год назад
@@reesacheson5577 ahhh I see, using Turcite way material under saddle. Yeah we've done a ton of CNC mills and lathes. We always brought everything back to OEM centerlines so ballscrews are not bound up. Good job
@MrSuwds
@MrSuwds 5 месяцев назад
Eu já iria fazer essa mesma pergunta, pois também despertei essa dúvida. Abraços do Brasil.
@m.a.jr.689
@m.a.jr.689 Год назад
Sehr schönes Video, habe selbst lange Zeit an einer ähnlichen Maschine gearbeitet 👍👍👌👏👏
@kurzschnautzert180
@kurzschnautzert180 Год назад
Ich auch😃😃💪💪
Год назад
Professional machining, such a renovation would also be useful for my lathe.
@pgreenlaw85
@pgreenlaw85 Год назад
When the cut starts making “dust” instead of chips, is that just a difference in depth of cut or is something else going on here? Very cool thank you for sharing
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
As the cutting nears its final depth the depth of cut is reduced. The final cut is made without moving the head at all and so is a "spring cut". The reason is to insure a good surface finish and to minimize deflection problems. Rees
@sblack48
@sblack48 Год назад
You can see where it was worn near the headstock. Cutter doesn’t engage there until it’s removed considerable stock
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
This lathe is, I think, the most worn lathe bed that I have done. The carriage was rubbing on the bed and the headstock way. Rees
@warrenjones744
@warrenjones744 Год назад
Very nice my friend, Very nice! There was a bit of wear in those ways eh?
@n9viw
@n9viw 5 месяцев назад
Watching the machine take off what looked like an astronomical amount of material made my hind end pucker up to my neck! I couldn't imagine taking that much off, and it only being 0.026! I recently purchased a '42 10R, and its ways are absolutely trashed. I doubt there's any hope to similarly resurrect it (deeply swaybacked on the front V, no idea what the saddle looks like), but maybe I can play with it while I save my pennies for something better.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 5 месяцев назад
The typical feed rate for this is 0.005" horizontally. But because the tool is at a 45 degree angle the actual feed rate perpendicular to the edge is 0.0035" (horizontal times sine 45, or 0.707). Thus at only 0.0035" per stroke it takes quite a few and probably appears like more is being removed. Rees
@n9viw
@n9viw 5 месяцев назад
@@reesacheson5577 I understand you are no longer doing this, but your son may be taking on jobs part-time. I hope he keeps with it for a little while- I've decided I'm saving my pennies to have him fix this bed, if he can. I've taken some measurements on the front way, and it appears it's down between 0.014-0.020" depending on where (and from where) I am measuring. If you have any suggestions as to an appropriate measuring method, I would appreciate any help you could provide.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 5 месяцев назад
@@n9viw Fitz planed two beds one weekend about two months ago. So I guess there is still hope. With regard to measuring bed wear, I wrote this to an owner in an email recently: To get an idea of how much wear there is on the bed, you could attach a dial indicator to the saddle and set the stylus against one of the machined, but unused portions of the bed. Likely candidates include the flat on the top of the Vee (assuming it is a flat rather then a radius), or the portion between the Vees. These places should reflect the original plane and thus stylus deviation as the saddle traverses is likely from wear. And bed wear would help in visualizing what the saddle looks like. Of course, this will not tell you anything about way straightness. Also with the indicator, placing the saddle on an unworn bed-way (like near the tailstock end.) You might be able to tell how banana shaped the saddle is by trying to rock it on the probably pretty straight ways. That will help in determining how reasonable a scraping-only approach is. Rees
@n9viw
@n9viw 5 месяцев назад
@@reesacheson5577 Thank you! I did measure from the saddle to the top of the front vee way, as well as to the unused flat between the rear vee ways, but not very exhaustively. I will do this again and map my findings in my (as yet to be started) machining notebook. I will send an email soon with my findings, and inquire about his current rate.
@nickj2508
@nickj2508 Год назад
The content and edit is great. 👍 it would be great to see a walk-around of the final work. 🙂
@nigel900
@nigel900 Год назад
Therapeutic. 👍🏻
@barcodenosebleed5485
@barcodenosebleed5485 3 месяца назад
Watched for 17 minutes and thought I had it figured out and then you throw in a twist ending.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 2 месяца назад
I'm not sure whether you would like an answer or are just remarking. After a week I just decided to answer. I assuming that you are referring to the last frames where the planer is cutting down vertically the backside of the lathe. This is done so that it is possible to later find out how the bed was setup and whether it was, or still is, straight. One significant aspect of the cut, and perhaps prompting your mention of a twist, is that the cut is being performed in a conventional manner: a series of small cuts are taken down the side to define the plane. This is in contrast to the unconventional way in which the rest of the video shows cutting the ways. Although I have been cutting lathe beds this way for 45 years, until a week ago I had never seen or heard of anyone cutting a bed like this. So, to me, the unconventional method shown in most of the video is interesting. -Rees
@barcodenosebleed5485
@barcodenosebleed5485 2 месяца назад
@reesacheson5577 Ha! Yes, mainly an observation that while repetitive, the footage is mesmerizing and lovely. I'm like, wow, I've been watching this for a long time. And after awhile you don't suppose it will be any different and then woah, a different cut! Appreciate the explanation and love the ingenuity. I picked up a 1910s era lathe a few years ago for a couple hundred dollars. Done a few odd jobs with it, nothing precision enough for me to even consider whether the ways are worn, but I'm sure they are. And yeah, just double-checked, not hardened. If I used it more than once in a blue moon I might consider investing more into it. Alas, not in the cards right now. 45 years of this and I assume similar craftsmanship. Very inspiring.
@bobtheblob2770
@bobtheblob2770 5 месяцев назад
Call this: trusting the ways of the shaper are better than the lathe ways
@viktorflaum4056
@viktorflaum4056 Год назад
Просто фантастика; возрождение машины к новой жизни, пробуждает прекрасные мысли!!!
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Thank you.
@Orionsthehunter
@Orionsthehunter Год назад
I wish I could get this done on my clausing (1st lathe) just learning a new skill at 51.
@lockplace
@lockplace 5 месяцев назад
added to sleep playlist
@davidworthington9118
@davidworthington9118 Год назад
I would love to send my lathe to you, its working life was on board a ww2 sub, and to be honest showing its age, I have made many parts to improve it, but to get this done would be the the dogs bollocks, little UK phrase for you, all the best for the future
@SomeGuyInSandy
@SomeGuyInSandy Год назад
Neat!
@jamespkeane
@jamespkeane Год назад
This is my NOT (edit) South Bend 10L being planed! Rees is an expert and an amazing individual! (Needs no editing - this is still true).
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Hello James! Fond memories. Your lathe is probably the last scraping project that I will ever do and I am glad that you had me take it on. Thank you. The lathe in this video looks just like yours, but it is not. I planed it several days after I finished yours. I found some video of it last weekend and was surprised that there was anything good enough to post. Now I am going to look to see if I can making anything from the video I shot of your project. If so, I will post it and let your know. Rees
@joshuablair6120
@joshuablair6120 Год назад
@@reesacheson5577 Years ago I came to know your name thru Practical Machinist, and noticed you planed the sliding table on Chris Hall's (RIP) Wadkin PP, and he raved about the work you performed. Are you no longer taking on any planing jobs?
@mistermwwilson
@mistermwwilson Год назад
Once the bed is planed, do you have to machine the sled to fit it? Not sure I’m asking that correctly. Won’t the sled be “looser” on the bed after scraping it flat? Great video.
@jamespkeane
@jamespkeane Год назад
@@reesacheson5577 Ahh, I stand corrected! It’s funny I was looking for the ‘witness mark’ on the end of the bed on the video and didn’t see it but I just assumed (we know how that goes) it must have been mine giving the timing. Thank you SO much again for taking my project on I hope to fly up to NH soon with Greyson - we recently flew into and camped at Parlin Airfield just by you. I’ll be in touch!
@jamespkeane
@jamespkeane Год назад
@@mistermwwilson I should let Rees give you the far more technically correct answer, but in summary it’s yes and no. When Rees plane the ways he does so that preserves their parallelism. It’s a total art how he does this progressively both in the setup but also in the tracking of how much material was removed on each cut. So, dimensionally, the cross slide will match the ways…..but…he takes it a step further with scraping, wherein the cross slide is match via scraping (or planing first, if necessary) to the ways. My machine is just a piece of art now after Rees’s work. I’m a hobbyist but post leveling the lathe there is literally zero runout in any direction on my lathe using a variety of test methods down to the .0005”. I couldn’t be happier.
@bahaddoutarik
@bahaddoutarik Год назад
Wahh super boulot
@antongyrt4814
@antongyrt4814 3 месяца назад
Эх, красота!
@scottgiard183
@scottgiard183 Год назад
Glad to see your still at it! I have a 1945 Sheldon SWQE 44 ,but im not sure if the ways are hardened or not as its has a lot of wear in the middle as they usually do lol if they can be redone i would surely set up an appointment to have it done. I'm not far from you here in Springfield MA
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Please email me at the address in ABOUT. As I said to Uncle Matt, above, I am not sure I should be doing any more planing.
@claas90017
@claas90017 Год назад
Great video, how do you keep the center line of the v-ways? So the head stock and tail stock seat in
@claas90017
@claas90017 Год назад
I guess the better question would be how do you know what the center line should be?
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
@@claas90017 The "center line" is not what's important but the axis. The center could vary quite a bit without consequence if all way surfaces were parallel. And that is what a planer does, makes them parallel. But likely your question was really "how do you find the axis". Usually the unused back side of the bed way is straight enough to find the vertical plane axis that the bed was planed in during manufacture. The for the horizontal, the base likely is not far off and might be used, or the top surface flats on the Vees are an indication. However, things are not always so straight forward. For example, the bed may have warped in either axis and then the task is it figure an axis that requires the least removal of material, or creates the least amount of work that will follow the planing. As I noted in the description, the bed sag must be accounted for, and while not directly related to the axis question, is related because an axis is a straight line. You also ask about keeping the headstock and tailstock in alignment, or perhaps getting them to seat correctly. They will be in alignment because the planer makes the bedways linear and parallel. Placing the two parts on these ways necessarily lines them up. Getting them to seat correctly is a little trickier. These are usually Vee-To-Flat ways and so both the Vee surfaces and the flat must be in complete contact. To do this the bed is first measured at an unworn area and and the dimension is repeated during planing. The measurement can be seen being done at 15:30 using a small Vee-Block over the Vee and an adjustable parallel on the flat way. The parallel has been set to the original dimension and here the flat is being lowered until the indicator will read zero. I think that answers your question. if not let me know and I will try again. Rees
@claas90017
@claas90017 Год назад
I got it thanks. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I have shared your video will all my buddies. We have wondered how this process was done Thanks again.
@BigSkyCurmudgeon
@BigSkyCurmudgeon Год назад
only time i ran a planer like that was in late 70s. Gray flying scot i believe. then around 2000 i ran a really big planer 3 heads 7'x14' bed. took a day and a half to flat tool something. the whole building shook when that bull gear changed direction.
@DownButNotOutYet
@DownButNotOutYet Год назад
It's basically a giant super rigid shaper, the modern version would be a multi axis cnc surface grinder but I would bet the surface finish on this would make a better bearing surface for oil to stick to.
@ironmanmachine
@ironmanmachine 2 месяца назад
I need this done to the old Lodge and Shipley model A I have. The catch, it's 18 between centers.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 2 месяца назад
If you are asking if I could plane your lathe, the first question is probably where would you be coming from? I live in Alstead, NH, USA. If that is within a reasonable driving distance then the next question would be what size is the bed. You say "18 between centers". If that is 18 ft then no, it is too big. My planer accommodates 8ft long by 2ft wide. If either of these mean that you will be looking for another planer, there are several threads on the PracticalMachinist forum where people are trying to find planers. You might try there. There are not many working planers left. I looked up the Model A and it looks like the ways are not hardened, which is a prerequisite to being planable. -Rees
@alchemik2010
@alchemik2010 6 месяцев назад
oglądam od 8 godzin.
@user-yx6zf5ev1s
@user-yx6zf5ev1s 5 месяцев назад
Спасибо!
@sblack48
@sblack48 Год назад
I never realized the cutter contact area was so wide on a planer. Amazing that there’s no chatter
@joandar1
@joandar1 Год назад
Perhaps because the Planer is in great condition. John, Australia.
@sblack48
@sblack48 Год назад
@@joandar1 probably, and it’s massive. No substitute for lots of cast iron. A remarkable machine.
@joandar1
@joandar1 Год назад
@@sblack48 Agreed, John.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
@@joandar1 Yes, despite its being nearly 120 years old, it is in very good condition. But a properly designed flat-tool should work well on broad cuts even on a more worn planer. The tool is very sharp, but key is that the edge is behind the flex point. This means that it will reduce the depth of cut very slightly as tool pressure increases. If it were the other way, chatter would be intense and probably catastrophic to the tool. An increase in tool pressure would then increase the depth of cut, which would further increase tool pressure, until finally the tool would spring ahead, blasting out a chunk of material, only to repeat it again. Rees
@joandar1
@joandar1 Год назад
@@reesacheson5577 What you said about tool pressure and flex point is so true of all machining operations, thanks for the reply. John.
@robertholliday3442
@robertholliday3442 Год назад
I need this service right now actually.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
I am not currently taking planer work. Please see ABOUT for more on this. I have update it this morning to reflect this question. Rees
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
With regard to getting planing work done, my son, who now owns the shop, is interested in doing these jobs and willing to try to fit them into his work schedule. Because I have more planing experience, he would be doing the job, but I would be there with him to help. I am eager to see this planer continue to work. The first step is to collect the email addresses of those interested so that we can discuss how to go about this. Use the address in the ABOUT section. Thanks. Rees
@KBLIZZ333
@KBLIZZ333 Год назад
I need this done on my little Logan 400.
@reesacheson5577
@reesacheson5577 Год назад
Are you asking about getting it planed? Or just commenting that that is so?
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