planing lathe bed 

Me too.

I still run one ten hours a day. it can be fun

@@9mmsafetyalwaysoff00 I have been checking your American internet and your American machinist textbooks and they all are missing two things. 1st. How to use basic machine tools to reproduce the same basic machine tools as well as the manual measuring instruments used in measuring them and THE WHOLE LOCK STOCK AND BARREL! 2sd. How to use these same basic machine tools to make larger size basic machine tools and THE WHOLE LOCK STOCK AND BARREL and what have you. Two basic key key critical strategic questions that needs to be anwered and needs to be solved.

@@darthvader5300 What is the solution Briak? ...

I wonder if the bed of the planer ever has to be reground, seeing as how their table runs the full stroke every time. I know the bed of my South Bend 9 and Atlas 9 have a lot of slop. But seeing as how they been in use since the late 20s, i suppose it was bond to happen. Lol

Back then we made mounting plates for all tool shops in the area. They were finished with a large radius in the chisel, the lateral feed was almost as large as the chisel width. These large plates we made were very popular because you could easily move a heavy tool by hand on these plates because it only rested on the high lines. It was difficult to grind the chisel, we used these S-shaped ones because they compensated for the chatter.

The one I used was a close side planer built by the GA Gray Co of Cincinnati Ohio .That company was a subsidiary of Waner & Swasey. I worked on smaller one a 10 or 12 footer I think. They a huge one a 20 footer . I also worked on rebuilt ram beds . I plained old beds for a channel to fit over the front way and a flat strip to fit over rear way . I didn't work on planer for very long as l was waiting for a chance to move over to tool & cutter grinding my true love .But that is whole other story .l worked almost 5 years. Of all the places worked learn the most and like it the best . They are out of business now and it's shame they made a great product.

This might also be interesting we plained a couple of huge turret lathe beds that were go to be used to cut fittings for the Alaska pipe line.

@@erneststorch9844 that is really cool sir

@@reesacheson5577 I can assure you it didn't change the shop temperature which in winter was often only just above freezing!😉

Sir, May I ask the location of this large shop? Thank you.

@@rlewis1946 Yes, long gone now but was the Metro Cammell machine shop at their Saltley works in Birmingham. Metro built railway rolling stock including carriages and Diesel multiple units, the Blue Pullman. Also many of the trains for the London underground. The works was closed down in the mid 60s. I was a jig and tool maker apprentice from 1956 to 1961.

I too noticed the scraping of the planer ways. Watching a master scraper at work is like watching poetry in motion!

I was a young mechanic for a aerospace fastener co. They have many Screw machines. They taught me to hand scrape the ways for the cross slides on Brown & Sharp single spindle Screw machines and Davenport Multi Spindle Screw machines. The B&S had the Meehanite cast iron main body with the cross slide included. Hard work, sweating bullets out in the plant. Those Davenport cross slides bolted in so you could do the scraping on a vise next to your work bench. I was never allowed to use the Power Scraper that the rebuilders got to use. I think they were called Biax Scrappers and Flakers.

Check out Keith Rucker on youtube, he has been scraping in a planer recently and the restoration project is still ongoing.

MEMORIES !!!

Western leave their torch to the East right now

@@superkas Do ! They !??

I went to a high-school with many different shops. Teachers were old trademen. They were great teaching the trades. In those days you had a job soon as you finish high-school.

Just remember that the American dream killed itself.

Other than my own work, I have never seen it done, either. In fact, I do not know how others do it, it is just how I have always done it. The first was my own, 40 years ago. Rees

How do I sign up

Yes, but then again, all the excellent work the lathe will do (again) will be a reminder of this excellent work.

It won't be covered up!

Sorry for the delay. I have been pondering whether of not I am going to do any more planing. My mind is becoming increasingly foggy. I gave the shop to my son 5 years ago and he has expressed interest in planing ways. The shop is not his main job, though, and he is not sure he has the time. That said, I was not sure from your comment whether you were asking to have planing done, or merely wishing you had a planer to use. Rees

@@reesacheson5577 actually both. I was a MR machinist in the us navy and retired at 20 years, did machine after service but have never seen or used a planning machine. It would be nice if local shops had the capability to do this machine work.

@@thomasdavis2300, Interesting. How far from New Hampshire are you?

@@reesacheson5577 I'm in Bedford Va my friend. Wish I was closer. But my wife and I we planning on traveling north this year to go to some ski lodge for tubing 😁 but haven't figured where we would go yet.

@@thomasdavis2300 If you are in the area please get in touch. If nothing else you you see the machine. Use the email address in ABOUT. Rees

@@reesacheson5577 and U will do this Your self?

Ann Acheson thank you for the detailed reply. Fascinating. Is there a well known book that covers these operating techniques of planers? It’s a machine we rarely see in action anymore and nobody is trained on them these days, but it is a very capable machine.

I'm sure there is. Google "bridge planer" or surface planing on a bridge or portal planer and something's gonna pop up.

@@reesacheson5577 why do I have feeling that the manufacture of your planer is no longer in business 115 years old 😎 now your planer vs the best of best of todays planers, beyond the computer controls and spear parts, would you gain anything from buying a new one.

The short answer is that planing the bed ways means that there must be a shift in the position of the lead screw to match the new position of the carriage apron. Usually this means that the feed gearbox and the leadscrew support have to be shimmed to hang lower beneath the ways. As for the Headstock and tailstock, what matters is that the spindles of each are parallel to the ways of the bed. If the mating surface of the headstock was made correctly to begin with, it should not need further attention. The tailstock may have worn due to its sliding action. Probably the wear has been merely even removal of material and so the result is that the tailstock spindle may be low with regard to the headstock but still parallel to the bedways and to the headstock spindle. But this has nothing to do with the material having been removed from the bed. In fact, with the bed now straight, the tailstock's relationship to the headstock should not change as the tailstock is slid along the bed. If the tailstock is low, the reason is due to its own wear and the solution is usually to place shims between the tailstock's base and the tailstock itself - the same junction which is used to adjust for taper. So that ought to answer your headstock and tailstock questions. As for the carriage, if the bed has been planed correctly, it's ways should be both level and of the correct width to match that of the carriage. If so, the carriage could then be scraped to exactly match the bed. If the carriage has not worn much this scraping should be removing less that 0.001" and so the task small. But the carriage is often worn, too. While the width should not have worn to be different than as manufactured, the ways are unlikely to be straight. In use, as abrasive "dirt" on the ways makes its way under the carriage ways, the ends of the carriage ways begin to wear more than the middle. This creates a "banana" shape which becomes a funnel to direct dirt on the ways further under the carriage ways. Once this occurs wear progresses very quickly. If the banana ways are too severe, the simplest solution is often to plane the carriage ways, as well. Planing the carriage has the added benefit if being able to insure that the direction of the carriage ways are perpendicular to the cross-slide ways. This perpendicularity is essential to being able to face a surface flat. Rees Acheson

@@reesacheson5577 Thank you for your response. I learned something new today.

The ways are not hardened, and will not be afterwards. Hardened ways cannot be planed like this, nor scraped. They must be ground. -Rees

@@reesacheson5577 thank you for responding! Good to know. Does the hardening not warp the ways?

@@roderos Good question. I have no experience with hardended ways. But I do not see how it is possible to flame or induction harden a long lathe bed without affecting straightness. Perhaps they are very lightly ground afterwards, but the setup for such a light cut must be painstaking. Or perhaps they estimate the bow and preload the bed when grinding so that it will come out straight after hardening. If anyone knows, please chime in. I find it baffling. --Rees

My shop is in Alstead, NH. The chances of you be close enough are slim. However, the Harrison bed shown in the video took 7 hrs @ $50/hr. That's only planing - no scraping. Rees

@@reesacheson5577 I have a 10" it is a nice little lathe. Mine has the cast iron pedestals and chip tray etc., not the bench top model. You are correct, distance would be a problem. I live it central Missouri. You do awesome work! I love watching those machines do their thing.

Ann Acheson thanks! I would have been interested in watching how the machine is set up for this job, hear a little about the machine itself, what the problem was that caused the need for planing, and this verbally explained. I appreciate the efforts of making and sharing the video, but in this case it is reading the description for a few seconds and afterwards watching silently some forth and back on the machine for quite some time. Maybe you want to check out youtube channel Abom79? More tech talk, but educational as well.

Yes. And I posted a short video of it, "Planing A Sliding Table" I think is the name. I only knew Chris for about 18 months, but wish that I had gotten to know him much sooner. Rees

@@reesacheson5577 Thanks Rees! I may have the chance to pick up the same machine (not Chris' though), and was doing some online research on it and stumbled across a woodworking forum where he mentioned a guy in NH that did the planing. I kept digging, and noticed that your machine happened to look exactly like one of the pictures Chris had posted on the forum, so I was almost positive it was you! He was very impressed with your machine and your work by the way. Apparently, one of the common problems with the Wadkin PP is the hump in the center of the sliding table (which Chris' machine clearly also had - hence the planing). I suspect it's due to the design of the supporting structure under it. The factory didn't fully support the sliding portion when slid out to the extremes. Only about 50% is supported, so if you have something heavy on it when it's cantilevered to the ends of the stroke, it created a bow in the table. Sadly, I never had the chance to meet Chris, but from other contacts I know who have, they were very sad to hear of his passing, and they were true fans of his work. If I do end up getting a Wadkin PP, I'll be sure to ask about the table since having it planed is a costly fix. Then again, the PP is a terrific machine, so if I do buy one, you may be getting the same job from me. We'll see for now.

@@fotopfanatic I should note that the linear bearing that supported Chris's table were unconventional and I suspected that when linear bearings became more readily available that they would use them, instead. The ones used were made from a series of centerless ground 0.375 dia rods, each about an inch long, laid end to end in a trough. There was a second trough with the same very close to it. The result was that a steel ball could roll between these two rows of segments. Another set of these existed on the underside of the table. When the gap between the 4 rows was filled with balls the linear bearing was complete. Another set of these existed on the other side of the table so the table was supported by two linear bearings. I mention this partly because these rod troughs needed to be machined, too, but also because a newer saw may not have had this construction. I think that the design limited the length that the bearings could be and thus the overhang. Incidentally, a heavy weight on the overhang would not be necessary as the weight of the table itself would be enough to cause warping over time. I should also note that Chris' job was quite expensive, but the table part was less than a quarter of the cost. He also wanted the miter attachment completely remachined along with the pivot and tapered pin holes in the table for the 90, 60, 45 & 30 degree positions. Those holes had to be bushed first. Then a 2nd set of these holes was added for the miter near the center of the table. He wanted the miter accuracy to be within 0.002" per foot, and so this took time. Rees

Voy no hablo español, y he usado Google Translate. Si no desea utilizar las correas planas para la transmisión de la mesa, la forma más sencilla de hacerlo es probablemente utilizando un motor hidráulico conectado a la polea del eje principal. El motor hidráulico se invierte mediante una válvula. La válvula puede ser operada mecánicamente o por solenoides eléctricos. In English: I go not speak Spanish, and have used Google Translate. If you do not want to use the flat belts for table drive, the easiest way to drive the table is probably by using a hydraulic motor belted to the main shaft pulley. The hydraulic motor is reversed using a valve. The valve can be operated mechanically, or by electric solenoids.

Gracias

That would be nice but most workers in the Western World would be reluctant to work for $20 a day. That's why it ends up in China, Taiwan, India, SouthKorea, Vietnam, or Thailand. It's simple economics. The only time you will see this kind of work done in the west is when it is a large machine that is too expensive to ship overseas and bring back but is still worth more than scrap iron. Sad but true.

We did

@@joev2654 _did._ but should again.

No. This bed will not be hardened.

ARE YOU SERIOUS, MAN!

The ways would not be ground afterwards, as this would include another long set up. But they do need to be finished, or surfaced, by scraping. Scraping produces a nice slippery surface. I have addressed this a couple of other times, but looking just now I found one of them under the video Planing Of South Bend Lathe, in reply to "Weld Machine", 5 months ago. You could check that for more detail. Rees

I read the reply you mentioned. Wow. That’s getting into the nitty gritty. Thanks for your comments.

@@reesacheson5577,Sorry ,non parlo inglese ( purtroppo) . Ma + 0.02 _ 0.02 = 0.04 mm totale tolleranza. Con un po' di raschiettatura, il Carro scorre con precisione e senza giochi. Sorry

Cost is not easy to predict because there is always something unexpected that has to be dealt with. This bed took 7 hrs at a shop rate of $50/hr. The South Bend that I posted on 12/13/20 took 6 hrs. These were probably about average. Most of the time spent is for inspection, setup and figuring out what to do. Beds are almost always twisted or sagged and they are worn. It is important to position the bed so that a minimal amount of material is removed, and that is not necessarily exactly the position it was originally machined in. Rees

Самые маленькие у строганых. Потом у шлифованых и самые большие у фрезерованых.

Nothing lasts forever. I've just done a Weiler 330 with hardened ways on my planer, I had to grind 30 though of the main face to get it right.

@@gettuff2 insufficient lubrication and careless use can wear down anything

It is called a "planer". It cuts a surface to make it a plane (flat).

Yes a Planer or Shaper can be

Спасибо

Sorry, I do not speak Spanish. However, I think you are asking how much a job like this cost. I do not remember, but it was probably about $400.

а чего это за станок такой ? Что он делает ?

Ага, по каленому хрен бы он так прострогал

Кстати, что насчёт напряжений в станине от строгания? Они выше чем при фрезеровке станин или нет? Просто у нас есть товарищи которые переделали такой строгаль под фрезеровку станин. Кто что знает?

@@YAKUZA_INDUSTRIES блин написал комент и его съело, что за фигня короче это кошерный метод так и надо делать, просто с ЧПУ нахер стало не надо(нету других тулов) и делают как могут и результат примерно такой же