PLAY TO WIN ANSWERS THE COMMUNITY'S QUESTIONS - Q&A EPISODE 

It's crazy to hear that you two have been friends for only about 5 years. Every episode you guys sound like you've been friends with each other since at least Middle School lol

Hullbreacher needed the line of text "If a spell or ability you don't control would cause your opponent to draw a card" That way it hates on extra card draw without the combo wheel potential.

Damn, I can't believe Cam pulled out that hilarious joke, that's the best thing I've ever heard in my life, I fell out of my chair and I can now jump 15% higher

my controversial opinion is that that Tasha's Hideous Laughter is a great cedh card.

I feel like we need a damping sphere for card draw

"Rollercoasters" as an answer is a very Charlie Day x Tim Robinson response from Cam lmfao

In my experience when 4 or 5 color decks get roffle stomped, its when a blood moon or back to basics hits the filed. So if we want to get out of 4,5 color midrange then wizards will have to print more cards that punish greedy mana bases

“Derevi beats you so hard and in a such demoralizing manner that you forget about winning the rest of the games” is a mood, really. And quite the origin story, usually for villains but glad it worked the other way around this time.

Smaller Con Sphinx? I got you! Faerie Mastermind

To me the best ban for cEDH would be partner commanders. Can still play all the good cards, but everyone will have to be a bit more creative with building decks

Hey just wanted to give y’all a shoutout of love! This channel is my favorite mtg content. I spend at least 20 hours a week playing magic, and when I can’t watching yalls videos scratches the same itch. Love yall.

Band name: Play(Music) To Win

9:15 this take is spot on, and a mindset I wish more players would adopt. I always tell pods that I play with what my combo lines are (as I'm a combo player at heart), how to best interact with it, and when to know when I'm going for it. However, I also love watching people "do the thing" with their deck to the point that if people start getting salty about them going for the win, I cheer the player going off and celebrate when they do it. The game's better when you're not just playing toward the green-based, midrange piles and can actually appreciate everyone's way to play.

I'd def love to see some "everyone has partner" vids. I'd probably do Korvold Tymna or Malcom, or a pet deck idea of Trazyn Emry.

I love watching no ban list commander

Getting trickbinded with only 1 kozilek on gitrog as a reshuffle feels so funny as a bad beat I agree so much with that take

You guys HAVE to play that pod on the show!!! That sounds like it would be insane!

35 minutes into this video before I realised Cam was wearing a 'Gay to win' shirt.. I NEED one!

"Format is in a fair spot." Thank you. It's about time someone thought so.

Another RU-vidr was saying Etali with Sakashima to just add copy tribal to the deck to abuse more etb’s with Etali

My issue with OBM is that it doesn't punish players for drawing cards: it punishes whoever has creatures out whenever anyone draws cards. We're at the point where the Gruul and Naya decks that do manage to top aren't playing any mana dorks, because OBM kills them for free just by someone else having an engine out. I understand wanting a way to punish card draw in the format, but because its ability is not restricted to towards the person actually drawing the cards, that's not really what OBM is. It just completely hates out the G strategies that were already struggling to keep up with Thoracle and Breach.

Nobody asked me, but I’ve remembered moment when I felt like a genius so I’m gonna share it. Played Najeela, went for unsuccessful attempt with Underworld Breach followed by main phase Ad Naus on next turn. With last 4 remaining lives, I had my Thoracle + Consultation in hand but not a single mana positive rock that would give me colored mana I needed to win. I was searching in my 30+ card hand and finally went for Gitaxian Probe payed with 2 lives which I then countered with An Offer You Can’t Refuse, netting me that single extra colored mana I needed. That felt good.

Is Faerie Mastermind not the "smaller consecrated sphinx" that was mentioned? I'm not sure what other design could be made at a small converted mana cost.

That Emrakul joke had me fucking rolling dude.

Another idea to fight against this midrange 4/5c meta is maybe adding more spells that tax having too many colors in a deck. Things like the new "Blue Moon" Merfolk and the Winter Orb 2.0 from MH3. Nowadays, there are almost no downsides to having no basics, using all dual lands... It would be nice having to think more about your mana base choices (and the color combination of your deck)

Two-headed giant Cedh? Yes please

i think Magda/Tivit makes for a really powerful and lean combo deck. being able to run time sieve as the win condition in magda reduces the need for dragons. being able to run grand abolisher, silence, orim’s chant, ranger captain in a turbo combo deck that doesn’t cast spells to win would be super uninteractable. you COULD even go ad naus since your mana value would be lowered. magda with access to black tutors, white protection, and blue interaction would be so fast. My other consideration is Kinnan/Godo. As soon as you play Kinnan you win the game. Basalt monolith is an immediate win with one red pip, Dockside immediately makes Godo mana, turn one kinnan and a rocks could easily give you a turn two godo.

On mtgo iirc, it's 20 minutes per person which is 80 minutes instead of 25 minutes per person in 1v1, but it's too short for certain combos even if they're entirely deterministic. TBH every mtg client should add a way to quickly "present the loop" to not hurt those kinds of decks.

I appreciate the mindset of enjoying other players turns and the game as a whole. I've definitely noticed myself and the people I play with regularly becoming more this way over time.

In a precon league where we have limited budget to upgrade our decks each week based on placenent, and it basically becomes what you guys are discussing at 15:07 . There’s still lots of infinites and fast wins but all the fast mana and free interaction is soft banned due to prohibitive cost

Would LOVE to get those partners in a game on the channel!

I think if cedh showcased more "out of meta" decks (even though i pilot my food chain deck to my outs) id like to see "new win cons"

Big brain moment i had recently in CEDH was my Bloodchief Ascension online opponent was down to 4 life Thoracle combo starting. Etb Thoracle, I cast force of despair, killing Thoracle (lose 2 life) Demonic Consult resolves and loses the last 2 life with the Thoracle ETB trigger on the stack.

Dylan, next time you’re in Chicago go get a vegan dog from Upton’s Breakroom Their vegan Mac and cheese is also fire

Crazy partner pairing idea, Magda with the new Omo, Queen of Vesuva card. Every creature, is a dwarf. Any infinite tap untap loop wins you the game because if you control madga and the loop can create at least 3 mana initially, you can cast omo, make it a dwarf, and boom. Plus access to some really stupid dragons like that green one that makes treasures. It's a bit win more, maybe janky, but at the very least, madga with counterspell protection sounds nuts.

43:16 Wow the Fred Fred Burger deep cut, what a great character

Every time watch y’all’s videos it makes me think of the last episode of freaks and geeks where James Franco plays d&d with the nerds and It vibes 😊

Emrakuel physics pending, I'd rather face one Emrakuel sized squirrel. Due to the square-cubed law, the squirrel would collapse under its own weight. I wouldn't have to lift a finger.

How would you feel about Heritage cEDH? Where you can only play cards that were printed into Standard and not anything from supplementary sets.

An "optional monthly rotating banlist" format would be really fun. It'd be completely different from the contemporary banlist/format. It would keep decklists moving around and shaking thing up.

Yes, I’d love to see 2HG cEDH Also if you start a band, you should name it after a Legend’s epithet. Like “The Dawnwakers” or “the Skyship Raiders”

Ofc ya'll are watching bleach, I knew there was a reason I liked yall

New Marchesa gets around a ton of draw effects with her crime trigger.

Extra funny episode today, well done boys...especially dylan!

Where do you guys usually get your proxies? Just printing them or is there a good place online for ordering them?

I want fast mana that costs more the more colors in your commander’s color identity

My favorite video of you guys❤

I'd love to see some Two-Headed Giant. I really don't know how it works at all lol.

For the Kinnan + Rakdos posit, Prosper feels fun!

the issue with bowmasters imo is that its so non specific. Sure the blue player might be drawing a lot of rhystic, but hey the green players got a couple dorks, lets wipe them out. I find it just punches down extremely hard on weaker fringe decks, and the most powerful decks which theoretically should be punished by it, aren't

Something about 8:50 that I like about high power is that the goal of everyone in the table is to win. That makes for more fun games for me instead of one player doing group hug or chaos or trying to just be petty. Everyone playing to win makes the game more fun even if I lose

All partners cEDH would be a sick episode. Would love to see Tyler run kinnan dihada!

Talking about getting out of the midrange hell. I think there would need to be a fundamental shift in card design that moves towards higher pip requirements. I like that self protection idea on a commander but what if it had more restrictive pips as well. Its not a fully fleshed out thought as well but boom more engagement for the algorithm 👍.

Cam having a "casual" Prossh deck is absolutely hilarious, and so on brand 🤣 😆

I have a suggestion to the last parring of the partner group. In the light of Purphoros actually getting some traction how about him and some more aggro to push a aggro deck, purphoros ragavan dihada or maybe krenko.

The no-ban-list idea is stared down by the biggest elephant in the room: Flash Hulk.

I always assumed you two were in a band together youve got that drummer / bass player vibe together

Winota + Yuriko would be unbelievably busted. You'd get all the benefits of Winota with all the protection and the ability to close it out with Yuriko triggers.

"whenever an ability causes an opponent to draw a card, create a 2/2 token/treasure" "You can only include this card in your deck if your commander is monocolored"

Hey Cam, do you have your etali list ? Been watching your gameplays and need inspiration for optimizing etali!

so like "companion deck restrictions" on mono color cards will save us?

When I think about bans in edh, the thing that seems to make the most sense is some bans based on price, just to bring the price of an official cedh deck down to more like $2k-3k. But then yea like you mentioned it's a big hit to the bigger collector.

Watching you guys play no-backlist commander would be sick!

I'd love to see a play to win episode with a pod full of those dream partner combinations!

The RL issue will have to be addressed at some point by wotc if they want to be more involved in the format. There simply aren't enough tournament legal (condition) Reserved List cards for everyone to own an LED

Not that I think midrange hell is actually a bad thing, it creates longer more interesting games, but one way to balance that out would be to ban mana crypt for any decks with more than 1 or maybe 2 colors. Or like you can either have rhystic or mana crypt. Something where if you want fast mana you have to sacrifice big grind engines. I think I'm just describing Canadian highlander

You're funny Cam, the leyline binding joke worked, Dylan was just too slow to get it.

32:29 Literally the model for drannith magistrate 😂

16:46 I don't think that there are any cards that are on the banlist right now that are only there to show players not to play other cards like them. I think that coalition victory is a perfect and shining example of a "this exact card has very negative play patterns and almost no positive play patterns available" in the sense that it even existing in the format means that you either have to hold up interaction for a sorcery, or lose the game any time a 5c player has their commander out and 8 mana up (which in casual games is most of the time). The only "signpost" bans are the power 9, which are banned for optics reasons as to say "this isn't legacy, you don't need power to play". I believe that they wouldn't be banned (except maybe time vault.) if edh started as a full proxy format. 18:39 and to my knowledge, wizards hasn't ever had experience in managing a format's level of fun. They have only ever managed a format's tournament experience. 19:00 I think that it's fine to just ban the cards that are uniquely awful to play against. Recurring Nightmare is a nightmare to play against, primetime gets out of hand, sway of the stars just is not fun. Right now I'd say that every card on the banlist (other than power) is there for exactly it's text box (and not the cards that do things like it) and how that interacts with the game, interacts with the deck building process, and how it actually plays out at a table. There is definitely an element of ubiquity that the RC prioritizes as to only affect cards that are seeing enough play to actually warrant increasing the ban list.

Give me Black Lotus for Korvold and Iso+Walk for monoblue, ohmygodyes. Griseldaddy may not replace Razzy in decks but will 100% become a very competitive list overnight. No naus, no PitA, just Griselbrand in the CZ. That deck would be scary.

I have a strong feeling that "splashing colours" should be less incentivised. I would love to see support for "if you controll 5 or more islands" or some such, where going deep into the colour grant's great boons.

I want Cam rollercoaster reviews

Yo! Slicer + Jeska! (Read Jeska again) 👹

I think a silence that comes with 'opponents can't draw cards outside their draw steps this turn' would be good for speeding up the format

4:48 - I was really hoping for a powercrept Spirit of the Labyrinth from MH3 with a bigger butt and flash.

Norin + new Satoru is fun!

More Questing Beast type creatures?? I think that would be cool.

This is the best cEDH channel on the internet

Hullbreacher is a great example of the problem with being tied to casual EDH's banlist

Cam’s joke got stuck in a leyline binding

I would totally play Kinnan/Magda for a lot of treasures and tutor for basalth monolith in command zone oO

Agree on the no banlist thing. Maybe just the ante cards 😂

no reserve list cEDH would be great

That's funny. My birthday is July 14 th also.

No fast mana no free spells is truly a blast. It’s like “Magic as Richard Garfield intended” but you can still do truly degenerate stuff. I think a better way than power levels is the “Fast Mana/Free Spells/Tutor” axes.

RIP Santoro's - real ones remember.

holy shit im in Aus and i have the same water glass' as you guys ahahahah

my question: the last game posted was 12 days ago, get your azz in gear!!

Dylan: Dihada should- Cam: 🗣DIHADA !!! OH MY GAHD!!🗣 Favorite moment of the video

Idea for an artifact to combat 4 and 5 color decks. 3 drop artifact with "Each player's spells cost 1 more for each color amongst nonland permanents that player controls."

I have a question, do you all think cEDH and regular commander should have separate ban lists? Segregated as separate formats

Ive said this before but you guys have such chemistry i thought you guys were like hughschool buddies

but will you be doing 200 singltone so no dupe in either deck!

For the "All legendary has partner" what about some good Commander with Kutzil?

Look to Standard to see how Wizards would run EDH. They power creep higher and higher, then don't respond with bans until they've gotten their money. It's not that they'd ban what we like (in all likelihood), but instead that that would make those pieces obsolete, then ban the new toys when it's time for a new set.

I want more punisher cards with something that reads like we ever an artifact is tapped for mana it does 2 damage to it controller

My favorite comfort foods are super non vegan 😂... medium rare ribeye, chicken cordon blu which has real provolone n thick cut ham so it's 3 ways non-vegan, and meat lovers pizza with extra meat n cheese n extra gluten 😋 bcuz no 1 really knows what gluten is but everyone knows it's good 💯

Tiny Consecrated Sphinx = Faeire Mastermind. Same vibes in a smaller package.

Dream card is more support for tribal anything. Ideally Tribal angels. Id kill for a fast beat down angel tribal deck with more sera ascendants

If Hullbreacher was green....? Now that's an idea lol