Playing LIMPED pots (What not to do)!!! 

Hey Bart Im playing for fun but one guy thinks im pro. Want to know if this is a good play. Ok, so I have a hand for you, so I limp SB with 24o....

"Maybe I can spike a 6". Hero found the ultimate solver..

To anyone saying that poker is dead, in a 5/10/20 people like the caller and the SB play. You can still profit from this game.

If the caller is 3 year 5/10/20 reg and stations off 66 on an ace high multiway flop and the "very good, competent player" plays 42o in the small, then I'm fucking Linus Loeliger. MVP of the hand is Bart for being really, lets say, "nice" to the guy.

"This is where I felt like I was gonna figure out where I was in the hand immediately." Bart: *sigh* Well you don't--I mean--I uhh--how long have you been playing cash for? Just out of curiosity." Is the most savage unintentional roast I have ever heard in my life. I don't wanna be mean to the guy but I cringed so hard when he said that And yet this guy is playing larger stakes than I've ever been comfortable with lol

Bart : "This is a fold. You have a 2 outer" Caller:"Youre PROBABLY right"

This dude gives me hope that live games are truly alive and well :)

A smart guy who really thinks about the possible ranges etc. This hand really demonstrates how important fundamentals are. Even if a game is playing 'big' for you, limping pre leaves you in these kinds of spots.

Bart, you're awesome dude but why does your intro sound like you're reading out a hostage letter

Bart: "So you might get flamed in the chat..." Chat: Also: Chat:

Secondary game theory: If you're going to call with a pocket pair on A35r to try to turn a set (which to begin with, set mining the turn is typically really bad, especially when your call does not close the action on the flop) 66 is literally the WORST pair to do it with. The reason? The only two serious draws on A35r are 64, which you double block, which means the other one, the 74 double gutter, is the most likely, which gets there if you somehow gin your set. If you feel the need to set your money on fire by set mining turns, at least do it with a pair that does not change the texture of the board when you hit it (like 88-JJ in this hand). Admittedly, I set mine the turn sometimes myself. Drilling the ol' 4.5%er on someone can be really profitable... But (and it's a big but) it basically requires ~5 ideal things to justifiably attempt to do: 1) My set card doesn't change the board texture or complete obvious draws, 2) the price is reasonable 3) the bettor seems pretty strong already or it's multiway, 4) the effective stacks are large so you can maximize profit when you get there, and 5) my call closes the action on the flop so I'm at least assured of seeing the turn.

The way he talked about the game, it sounds like it's a 1-2 game. He said things that that a good player never says - raise to see where I am at. He's 3 betting turn to 560. He doesn't know what a 3 bet is, and he is playing 5-10-20? Alrighty then........

"So I was set mining the turn..."

When he said “Now I have a weird spot” on flop, my jaw dropped 😂 sometimes I listen to these to remind myself of the level of some players and why I shouldn’t try to hard to figure out what they are thinking 😂

I was thinking he thought I had AT. Like wtf.

I can almost forgive the river call.. the flop call is unforgivable though

Well that was a Trainwreck... "The SB is a good player so I think he bets to get rid of other hands." That is some coherent reasoning to OVERcall with less than top pair. A beginner playing 5-10, the regs are licking their chops. Apparently live poker is very much alive at 5-10/20 level in Chicago...

I love Bart because he’s the best teacher no one knows about

A terrible limp that just stacked the caller 😂

Most players would fold kings on that flop, and he can't fold pocket 6s?!

The mistake was before the flop. Just raise pre or fold. Really helps define ranges and allows you to win the pot on favorable boards. Limping is praying you cooler someone.

The poker gods gave the caller 2 chances to save his 300bbs 1. Don’t limp pre 2. Fold flop The caller just had to punt though

I think hero's read on village is still right. Villain believe either of these guy is a fish and he can stack em. Look at the how villain just called on turn to hero's raise. Villain correctly deducted that hero is capped with a set but straddle can have a better straight since he completed PF action. Once straddle folds, villain knew he had the best hand almost always and extracted the max.

That is just a reason for opening hands with a reasonable raise or fold them preflop. Getting hands in there like 2-4o from "very competent" players is just a debacle when hitting any value and having to fold to "never a bluff" raises on the river. This hand is a trashcan on fire.

Calls with 66 for pot bet... I'd play with this guy all day lmao

Very good insight about limping strategy and how river situations are under bluffed

Man when someone says they bet to see where they are in the hand all the tiny muscles in Barts face start to twitch before they finish their sentence lol

"figure out where I am in the hand" famous last words of many a bad poker player's chips. Even if you spike your 6 here one of main hands that crushes you gets there which is certainly in play in a multi way limped pot. More alarming is just the way he talks about the game and verbiage that he uses. He sounds like the nice old lady I see at the 75 dollar bingo hall tourneys on Wednesday night.

God bless this guy

Hero made lots of rookie mistakes he needs to join the Bart training site. As always great video Bart, thank you

Good example of what are reverse implied odds with this hand. First of all calling the flop bet is just a bad math play period, "set mining" a turn card, when there is an A and str8 draw on the board in a multi-way limped pot, and the SB fires out pot and an immediate call behind him. So the callers line of thinking here is that if I hit my 6, I am likely going to be good since no one should have AA (which btw, I don't know at these stakes but in a lot of lo-limit cash people limp AA from early position looking to trap). But even taking out the AA, there is still 24 to be worried about, and also 47 suited which is double gutted on the flop. So when our 6 does miraculously hit... first of all it took a 2 outer to get there, or we were just going to lose $85 on the flop. But we also have a more than decent chance that hitting the 6 won't even be enough to win this hand - it is going to end up being a trouble card and make us want to put more money in the pot with not the best hand. It is like drawing to the lower end of a straight in Omaha in a multi-way pot on the flop, you are getting odds (bad ones at that), to hit a hand that is likely going to get you in trouble more often than not. Caller literally needed to hit his 6 AND the board to pair after that to make money on this hand. Easy fold on the flop... But for the sake of finishing my thoughts on this. If I did somehow get to the turn and hit a set, I am still going to be very cautious of why the SB led out into so many people, and unless I boat up on the river I am not putting anymore money in (which is why fold flop 100% of the time here).

Amazing how many times a "lucky" turn after a questionable flop call costs me money.

Personally, if I ever call the flop like that with 66 (and the only argument for it I see is, that when hit, my hand is practically irreadable), I would bomb the turn rightaway. I mean an overbet to like 1100 to 1400 prepared to call the jam even to overcall two jams. Arguments for this: 1) I've got the best hand I can ever have in the spot. Given the distribution, I kind of have to go for max value. 2) I've got equity even against the nuts. The only hand really crushing me (AA) which is quite improbable to occur. 3) I'm getting always called/raised by all 33 or 55, A3, A5 even A6 (which is like 80 % of SBs value range) sometimes I expect straddle (and once in a while even SB) to call me with like AsXs or some like 7s5s, 6c3c, etc (which he also kind of often has). 4) It looks fishy, it might induce some bluffs from creative players. 5) If called once or twice, it makes easier for me to check back the turn when I do not improve (because I'm in spot only better hands are calling me). Argument againts: It's extremely high variance play. Sometimes I walk into straight (or two straights) and lose.

I guess I could see the limp if a lot of players are playing around 100bb, which is 50bb effective with the limp. Kind of sucks when you open small pairs and a player with 1000 in front of them 3bets to 200.

I think SB could do that with 33’s or 55’s, if he’s discounting higher sets like 66’s and 10’s based on action, set of 5s is like nut no straight based on preflop action

These people exist. They make +$500,000 a year and like to hit the casino. He's trying to learn poker, which is the most interesting game in the house, but he's not going to play $1-3 cause at his income level, there's no adrenaline rush when he wins. I remember an interview with pro Jennifer Harmon where they asked her why she plays in Bobby's Room against the world's best when she could drop down a few levels and clean up? She answered "You'd be surprised how often Bobby's Room is the softest game going that night."

Two mistakes... not open raising a straddle in HJ, and continuing with the hand with basically 2nd pair against what you perceive as a competent player who is WAY out of position. No reason to call the flop... When you limped in, that relegated you to set mining. You didn't hit the set, you didn't flop a draw... you're done with the hand.

Lollollollollollol that is exactly how I would play as the villain against somebody like the hero LOL 😂

Sounds to me like the best player at this table was in the big blind.

Just wanted to contribute to these comments. Had some great laughs. On the river "I waited to call" I'm only knocking on this player because he does want to get better, the reason he called in. Apparently how he thought about poker in March 2020, on the river. Tanking=waiting. Not tanking=going through the hand in your head.

What the hell are people like this even doing playing 10/20 with such poor fundamentals? Does he have a money tree that funds his bankroll?

Great analysis! This thought happens to me often when I want to flat withe a mediocre hand, but I fold… then see a good for me flop that would’ve run out only to stack me ‘glad I didn’t see that flop’ 😂. Of course it happens when I call too … ‘I need to stop playing shit hands’… lay it down on the flop and then 🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♀️ nuts 😂 . Bart, your videos help a ton… just got a few more leaks to plug. Like remembering my hands accurately so I can call them in 😅

Yeah I'm actually not sure why he said Chicago because it's definitely not! it's in Indiana. It is the closest casino with a poker room that's true. The other casino Rivers casino does not have a poker room. And people prefer not to play in Elgin or Aurora or Juliet or any casinos in Illinois because the rake is so high. I actually prefer to go to potawatomi which is in Milwaukee

Oh man what a spottt

Fold pre, Fold flop, Fold Turn before I even saw the action, and fold river. Dude is the spot, poor guy. This is a 1/2 fish playing 10/20.

A limped pot at the 5/10/20 level indeed live poker still lives!

Good stuff here but jesus christ the ads are out of control

love your content!!! these videoes are helping thx

great analysis on post-flop esp bc I agree FOLD,,,hit your 6 could be dangerous...and 6 comes on turn..yikes

For non professional let me give you a profitable tip. 2-7 pairs, just call limp and 3x raises and if you miss flop(trips or up and down straight draw) just fold, you're just not that good to be strung along with hero calls

min-raising from UTG is superior to limping, especially with 'speculative' hands that maybe can call a 3-bet if the stacks are deep enough.. i think the only hands to limp with are AA and KK once in a while

One thing missing rom the commentary by Brad is that the caller should not be playing anywhere near 5-10-20. Given his theoretical understanding of very basic aspects of this hand I think he'd have trouble reliably beating 1/2 live over a decent sample (if there is any such thing). I mean, let's start with this very competent, thinking player in the SB who never makes mistakes limping the SB with 2x4x. I mean...whaaa? Move down and study.

Hoping for a six in that spot is, well, one way to lose over the long haul. No way playing that way pays off in hand after hand after hand. Either you can bully the crowd with equity, or you are bluffing, sir! And the SB might actually be a good player that knows the kind of nonsense he can pull at the table. 2/4o is funny tho. This is why we more often than not want to raise preflop. It helps us identify range.

Half of crush live poker audience books plane tickets to Chicago

I know you're suppose to fold any offsuit connectors, but I've seen way too many hands where the fish are splashing around and I flop a straight and I question that wisdom. Just fold if the board pairs, or somebody represents a flush. Even if it only happens a couple percent of the time, I usually lose 1 bb to potentially win somebody's entire stack because they had a pair of aces, 2 pair, or a low straight. I mean, I still fold them unless I'm extremely bored, I just find I regret it a lot. It's just an automatic fold if I'm not on the button, then 30 seconds later, I'm asking God why he hates me.

this is every online poker cash game lmfaooo

great episode, thanks bart

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The logic of blaming mistakes on an earlier street for ending up in a bad spot and ultimately losing a big pot does not account for all of the times the runout is favorable and profitable. In theory, the mistake only costs you what you put in on the street on which you made the mistake.

this reminds me of that tom dwan hand when he had 2 5 offsuit and that japanese guy turned a set of 8s lol maannn tough luck. i wouldve called too. honestly i wouldve snapped it lol

Games not dead.

I thought he over called on the flop as brt mentioned he had a tight range betting there

this hand is played like ppl form a 2/4 limit game

That's why people play unorthodox so you can't really put them on a hand and when it hits it's usually big!

OUCH the Two Four!!!!!

5:13, "Would be hard pressed to put somebody on 47"...which is literally the blinds'/straddlers' most likely continuing combo...

This is great :)

Bart was the Chris K strategy on limped pots streamed or in some TCH video? I’m looking to learn more about limped pots.

So it ISNT just prevalent in lower stakes... 😲

nice ..ty ..may i ask .. is it ok that im watchin this ..!??! ,,,. cause im from europe

Are the bigger cash games dying to the point where pros need to call in to Bart's show as a marketing ploy and pretend they play $5-10 and have no idea what they're doing?

Funny thing is I always limp and it works great . For one your hand is always under repped, two your opponent has no clue what you have three, raising preflop now does not scare anyone anymore. So you raise preflop and usually still get four callers. You make a continuation bet get called and eventually lose. Poker is all luck, no question either your hand hits or it misses. Sure there are hands I raise and reraise with but Id much rather call a raise and either outplay the fool or hit and make him pay. Limping works great for players that can navigate post flop.

And a hand like this you just have to take the hit. If u play it, you got what u were looking for. It's just a cooler

In a certain type of game I have a limping strategy. But yea fold this 66 OTF. River...... if he is really, REALLY a good player yea I am calling. Because the hero should never have 33, 55, 66, 74s, 42s in this spot. A4ss, A2ss are 2 combos of a possible maybe 2 value combo of 42ss and 74ss Even so he should be reraising the turn. But he isn't if he has 24o and we should fold. I 100% need to move up in stakes.

He had two red sixes so on the flop he thought the 5 was a black 6.

You're so funny you're awesome! You are way too nice LOL LOL

Call a pot sided bet 4-way with 66 on an ace rainbow flop, with a player behind. Hit the most perfect possible runout in the known universe. Still get stacked 😂. Why was that so satisfying ..? I mean you’re calling the flop with the worst possible pair, one that double blocks 6-4 and 6-5.

Everyone getting mad at the caller but guys like these pay pros’ mortgages

First rule of no limit never go broke in an un-raised pot.

Matt berkey says live poker is gonna be terrible after this epedemic. Look up poker after corona. Real good interview

gotta call on the end

WTF love to play in this game!

Christian Soto?

Bart: I'm not sure i agree hes going to show up on the river with a better or worse hand that a set of 6s. People overvaluse their hands all the time - I'd call because theres enough of the time someone chk raises for value with a worse hand like A 10 or 5 5 . I dont think most of the time someone is bluffing with a 4 in their hand in lower stakes games but people do over value their hands enough to make this a call. YOu dont agree?

I haven't read the flames in the comments, but if I were the SB and led the flop for a PSB, you should be very worried about me having A5s, A3s, 55, 33, and not much else. Okay, press play.

The “competent” small blind lead for a nearly pot size bet with the nuts on a rainbow board seems a little odd to me.

Couldn't the 66 flop call be better then a rag ace since your so deep still. U can't get the money in with the axe but u hit the six and u can at least go for the stack or easy fold turn bricks

Preflop, everyone limps. SB, who is a good player, bets pot...bruh, that has 2 pair or better all over it.

V never has 33 or 55 otr, he would come out and value bet those hands or check call almost always

Bart: "I dont think he has 24 or he shouldnt" Caller :"He had 24" Bart: "That doesn't surprise me" Come on dude..

I would be interested in hearing about solve for why strat on limping early... where would the limp range begin? how big of bet or 3 bet are u calling with this range?

Bart is trying so hard to be nice to this guy. 2 totally different thinking players

A 6 completes the straight for a 7-4, so you would not get paid much either probably.

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What if SB said they would fold if the river paired the board. Would Bart say their call pre was still too loose?

LB comes along for 15 more pre with 60 already in the pot? Sure it's not the "right" play but it's a hand you can easily get off if the pot gets raised pre by the BB or the Straddle and super easy to get off post if you don't smash. Speculating from time to time just pays off. Just don't do it all the time.

This hand in question is the perfect example of both Compounding Mistakes, and Never go broke in a limped pot. Although I digress its easy to say knowing hero lost and didnt stack villian's 33 or 55. Call on the flop is beyond terrible. Even if he hits his 6 he only starts beating 2 pairs and still loses to made straights. Like bart points out 4,7 is a double gutter that would call flop, so even if hero makes his set of 6, he gets rekt by the 47 who made the nuts, a hand the straddler caller could easily have calling pot sized flop bet. This is where the mistake starts to compound. I heard of the term reverse implied odds where example if the river is the Gin card that gives you the nuts but is likely to improve villian's range, it could be a call in the sense that if gin card does fall you can potentially stack the guy. In this case hero's on the bad end of it. On the river, I agree with bart its a clear value bet, actually like hero's sizing, but man when Villian check ships it its like Bart said heavily underbluffed spot especially in live, because you'll have hero more often than not, decide to pay him off. Thus, going broke in a limped pot.

Nerve play limp pots.

3:02 “the button calls the $20, which I thought was a little odd”. Why? Wtf.

I'm not saying you should limp Ace 9 UTG, definitely a bad play. But I disagree with Bart that you should fold on the flop to a pot size bet. I am calling one street and if he bets pot on the turn I would fold. A nine is actually a strong kicker for a limped pot since people should definitely be raising Ace 10 pre flop with a decent amount of dead money in there. Small blind could be a good player post flop but he's obviously a donkey pre flop. Saying this river is under bluffed is an understatement. It's almost never bluffed and only terrible players would check raise the river with a set of threes