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PlayStation 5 120FPS Mode vs. PC 120FPS: Benchmarks & Graphics Quality Comparison 

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We matched PC graphics settings to a PlayStation 5's 120FPS Mode, then benchmarked PC hardware until we found a match to the PS5's framerate (FPS) performance.
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First, as stated in the conclusion, there's a place for both PCs and consoles and it's not as simple as a price-for-price comparison. Still, as an exercise in understanding the graphics capabilities of a modern game console (the PlayStation 5 was used here), we set forth on matching the Sony PlayStation 5's 120FPS Mode graphics settings against a PC, the latter of which has individual controls for various in-game options. Once we matched the settings to be roughly equal, we ran benchmarks against GPUs (and one CPU) until we found a performance threshold roughly equal to the average FPS / frametime performance of the PlayStation 5. This gives us a relatively like-for-like comparison to better understand what the PS5 is comparable to -- it's about a GTX 1060, 1070, and 1080, depending on game, when not running ray tracing. Ray tracing would be something we need to test once more games support it on the consoles. Testing includes a grouping of three games, but the overall concept extrapolates to other games as well. We've established a range of performance to estimate rasterization performance at equal graphics quality (roughly) between the devices. Again, we think the PlayStation 5 and other consoles fill an important role in the market that can't be simply replaced by a PC, and likewise, a PC offers a lot of extensibility not given by a console. They both have an important place and thus this is more of an academic exercise in determining the performance and quality equivalence.
DMC5 Special Edition is only available on the PlayStation 5; it does not exist on PC or on the PS4. Borderlands 3 and DMC5 have both had specific treatment for PlayStation 5 and are more than just a backwards-compatible port. An example of a backwards-compatible-only port would be God of War, which is a PS4 game that has not had any treatment for the PS5. You can play it on PS5, but it is a PS4 game without any treatment for the PS5. Miles Morales is unsuitable for comparison because it does not exist on PC.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - PC vs. PS5 Graphics Comparison & Benchmarks
01:18 - Methodology Basics & Discussion
05:01 - Devil May Cry 5 Graphics Comparison (PC vs. PlayStation 5)
06:53 - Performance & Framerate Modes (120FPS, 60FPS)
08:35 - PlayStation 5 & PC Benchmark Charts
09:16 - Frametime Plot vs. PC (DMC5)
12:07 - 120Hz vs. 240Hz Explanation
13:23 - Screen Tearing Explanation on Console vs. PC
17:29 - Logging vs. Capture Methodology & Data
19:50 - DiRT 5 Matched Graphics Settings
22:55 - DiRT 5 PS5 vs. PC Performance Analysis & Matched Hardware
23:36 - DiRT 5 120Hz vs. 240Hz
24:03 - Frametime Chart (DiRT 5)
24:39 - Borderlands 3 Matched Graphics
27:00 - BLANDS 3 Performance Benchmarks
27:06 - BLANDS 3 120Hz vs. 240Hz
27:35 - Borderlands 3 Frametime Chart (PS5 vs. PC)
28:22 - Conclusion: A Place for PCs & Consoles Alike
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@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 3 года назад
As for the games, DMC5 Special Edition is only available on the PlayStation 5; it does not exist on the PS4. We chose Special Edition specifically for this reason, so that's important to know. Borderlands 3 and DMC5 have both had specific treatment for PlayStation 5 and are more than just a backwards-compatible port. An example of a backwards-compatible-only port would be God of War, which is a PS4 game that has not had any treatment for the PS5. You can play it on PS5, but it is a PS4 game without any treatment for the PS5. All three games we chose are PS5 native games with official markings by Sony as being PS5 titles, with specific PS5 treatment and native builds. Miles Morales is unsuitable for comparison because it does not exist on PC. Watch our PlayStation 5 thermal, noise, & power benchmark: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MmggkW6usmQ.html Grab a GN 2020 Disappointment PC T-Shirt here: store.gamersnexus.net/
@thevaultdwellergaming
@thevaultdwellergaming 3 года назад
👾
@drewjones3536
@drewjones3536 3 года назад
You guys doing a video for Xbox S X? Hoping my 3600x and gtx1080 are still worth it.
@drewjones3536
@drewjones3536 3 года назад
@ziggy bean how so?
@anasevi9456
@anasevi9456 3 года назад
I get 120hz, but anything above that is such a meme for tryhards. No one cares more about win more optimisations/results, which is what anything over 120fps is. You can bend over yourself trying to compare it to the 30fps console era; every way till sunday.. But the fact remains all these benches are meaningless. Any game that has no troubles getting over 100fps on a decent PC is pedantry few will care about.
@Ebani
@Ebani 3 года назад
@@anasevi9456 Depends, with vr and sw like vorpX getting 120fps means 60fps for each eye, which is why 120 fps is the sweet spot for modern gaming.
@oneofmanyjames-es1643
@oneofmanyjames-es1643 3 года назад
"Not everyone can build a computer" *Flashes up Walmart thumbnail* That is some savagery
@jagermaster1758
@jagermaster1758 3 года назад
should have been verge
@randypesh89
@randypesh89 3 года назад
Steve is a Low Key Savage!
@anonanon3066
@anonanon3066 3 года назад
@@doryiii no, but they told others to do it like they did. He didn't even mention the front IO cables, which some people have major difficulties with, apparently.. Also a fucking no go is that he drove the screws into his radiator (without fans), told his viewers that it's the proper way and then fixed it OFF CAMERA WITHOUT A SINGLE WORD Probably still leaking like a bitch. This whole theme of fucking things up and secretly fixing them off camera without a word goes through the entire build. And don't forget, it's supposed to be a fucking tutorial for absolute beginners.
@codyeakinsbradley
@codyeakinsbradley 3 года назад
I get cellulitis all the time from Steve's burns
@TheAdamGore
@TheAdamGore 3 года назад
( Hot glues USB header onto motherboard ) *(On a computer you received that was over $700 less than the one you ordered)*
@crazyjak56
@crazyjak56 3 года назад
"We went through 1 graphics setting at a time". God that sounds exhausting and boring.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 3 года назад
Actually super interesting! Definitely tiring and extremely slow, though!
@JB-ym4up
@JB-ym4up 3 года назад
Super interesting, barely an inconvenience.
@nalong55
@nalong55 3 года назад
well it is his job so....
@shadyengland2
@shadyengland2 3 года назад
@@GamersNexus The miracles of Tech Jesus.
@crazyjak56
@crazyjak56 3 года назад
@@Xilent1 Think about doing that while benchmarking multiple games while trying to target the hardware of a console that almost but doesn't quite align with most pc hardware on software with similar issues (sometimes consoles get their own settings).
@69mviewsnt
@69mviewsnt 3 года назад
if Sony and Microsoft want to compete with PC they better add RGB in their next console for boost framerates
@BlackParade01
@BlackParade01 3 года назад
PS5 actually has some RGB
@rocketpencil5948
@rocketpencil5948 3 года назад
@ya boi breeez It doesn't have the pro level rbg tho. The one on the ps5 boosts fps by 13%, when it's supposed to be a 69% boost
@santhoshmanickavasagam2467
@santhoshmanickavasagam2467 3 года назад
?!?!? I didn't know that RGB boosts framerates.
@rocketpencil5948
@rocketpencil5948 3 года назад
@@santhoshmanickavasagam2467 it was a joke
@santhoshmanickavasagam2467
@santhoshmanickavasagam2467 3 года назад
@@rocketpencil5948 r/woooosh for me.
@jayvanburg3943
@jayvanburg3943 3 года назад
Final portion of this video was like treading a minefield.
@ash36230
@ash36230 3 года назад
A 4 year old PC wins by default since it's the only one you can get right now
@CorporateShill66
@CorporateShill66 3 года назад
You can get a ps5 for $1000 so probably should compare it to a $1000 pc lol
@justorxh9695
@justorxh9695 3 года назад
@@CorporateShill66 lol thats good
@LopowerONE
@LopowerONE 3 года назад
Try to get a competent graphics card at its MSRP and see whats happens.
@drackar
@drackar 3 года назад
I mean, to be fair, you'd probably be paying close to the $1000+scalper price for that four year old hardware right now. It's a fucking zoo on ebay right now.
@oceyho
@oceyho 3 года назад
@@LopowerONE you can a used 10 series everywhere.
@happygiraffe9787
@happygiraffe9787 3 года назад
Who cares about consoles when we already have 5G and Raid: Shadow legends?
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 3 года назад
Raid: Shadow Legends is true endgame content. You're right. Pack it up, boys. No need to use consoles or PCs for games!
@sebazk8463
@sebazk8463 3 года назад
Don't forget about Mafia City
@DBRONCOSfan
@DBRONCOSfan 3 года назад
No, no, Kings Throne: Game of Lust... my God I despise those ads...
@Dynasty1818
@Dynasty1818 3 года назад
What, it was a DUNGEON run
@mythic017
@mythic017 3 года назад
hOw AbOuT $5
@Fievel4
@Fievel4 3 года назад
One thing I feel you should have mentioned when talking about the performance per dollar side is the very fact that consoles historically sell for less than the cost to make them because the companies intend to make up that loss in licensing fees from the games sold whereas with a PC you are paying for the parts directly with no subsidies.
@TrapasaurusFlex
@TrapasaurusFlex 3 года назад
They also make up for that cost with paid online... something you don’t need with a PC. Also the games are more expensive.
@kitkindy
@kitkindy 2 года назад
@@TrapasaurusFlex Correct PC day one games are even at a discount compared to consoles. I have paid $20 dollars less than a console game even at launch. Lots of factors play in to the PC gaming cost "more" upfront sure, long run nah.
@s0meRand0m129
@s0meRand0m129 2 года назад
@@kitkindy "long run" is depend on what specs you have , sure you can run new 2021 games with a GTX950ti but is it going to be a good experience?
@jaronmarles941
@jaronmarles941 2 года назад
@@s0meRand0m129 Let's say we're looking at upgrading from a 1060 on average (my case 1660S). If we get a GPU as good as (or better than) the consoles at $800 (markup) we could sell the old one for $100-$200, and get a GPU for $700-$600. Add in online for the console, and you'll have only a $40-$140 difference in a year from that alone.
@Cr1ptlord
@Cr1ptlord 2 года назад
@@TrapasaurusFlex i wouldnt mind paying double, atleast you have peace of mind of having no cheaters. On pc whenever i play a shooter you just pray someone doesnt have wh or aimbot...
@MrNiceKnife
@MrNiceKnife 3 года назад
32:42 sums it up nicely.
@andrewgoodner154
@andrewgoodner154 3 года назад
I like how Steve talked more in depth about how the graphs actually work due to the wider audience this video is going to grab.
@djmccullough9233
@djmccullough9233 3 года назад
Wider audience meaning in this case the people who take pride in understanding their hardware, and those who pride themselves in not needing to understand anything about their hardware.
@Jhakaro
@Jhakaro 3 года назад
And then the wider audience complains that the video is too long and he rambles too much, "just get to the point already" despite this.
@EcchiBANZAII-desu
@EcchiBANZAII-desu 3 года назад
He needs to do that because the "wider" audience now includes console people, so he has to ELI5 to the consoletards.
@GoneAngel
@GoneAngel 3 года назад
@@EcchiBANZAII-desu Hello, Consoletard here. I already knew the vasy majority of what was explained here. Tards are pretty smart I guess.
@FactoryofRedstone
@FactoryofRedstone 3 года назад
@@djmccullough9233 I think those who pride themselves in not needing to understand anything about their hardware, are not here by definition. Even by watching this video, it shows at least some interest.
@RunawayYe
@RunawayYe 3 года назад
Thanks Patrick for sacrificing your eyes staring at a small box of pixels for us!
@user-yv2cz8oj1k
@user-yv2cz8oj1k 3 года назад
But this is what Patrick lives for!
@alshahriar6230
@alshahriar6230 3 года назад
I imagine Patrick staring at the screen and eating popcorn
@jameslane2724
@jameslane2724 3 года назад
" A four year old GPU is a good stopping point" XD
@alexbedini731
@alexbedini731 3 года назад
Yeah a good stopping point to compare it with a 2020 Console!!! LoooooL
@thepizzaelf
@thepizzaelf 3 года назад
If the ps5 has a 10.3 tflop rdna 2 gpu why is it being outperformed here but not in other channels tests with more powerful cards?
@Kold2012
@Kold2012 3 года назад
@@thepizzaelf tflops mean nothing compared across generations and hardware manufacturers Nvidia has always beat AMD in GPU's
@thepizzaelf
@thepizzaelf 3 года назад
@@Kold2012 I get that but I just don’t understand his tests, why are digital foundry’s tests showing the ps5 performing better than a rtx 2060 super but being outperformed here by a 1060-1070, maybe bad optimization for 120 FPS ?
@Kold2012
@Kold2012 3 года назад
@@thepizzaelf likely games using AMD tools when made. therefore better optimized form their hardware, or games that are just poorly optimized on PC in general.
@MagiofAsura
@MagiofAsura 3 года назад
I don't understand why people say these consoles "game" at 8k. It's pretty clear they will just upscale.
@jesse420SOCAL
@jesse420SOCAL 3 года назад
I laugh so hard when they say this nonsense 🤣 it's not real 4k, 8k or 10k it's like using Samsung phone VR cardboard cover they sell and calling true VR like bruh it's cardboard and plastic mirrors to create augmented it's doesn't compare to real VR like occulus rift or HTC Vive
@bobbybologna3029
@bobbybologna3029 3 года назад
the higher framerates are always interpolated too lol
@Eyeolus
@Eyeolus 3 года назад
@@bobbybologna3029 source?
@Aluja77
@Aluja77 3 года назад
Not only that. They will only add it to old games or more like Indie Games or Pixel games where the performence is reachable. You won´t see any Uncharted or God of War like game on 8k. Trust me it makes me sick that people actually think that they can play a good looking game on 8k.
@thraxberserker9960
@thraxberserker9960 3 года назад
Who said they'll game at 8k?
@henok_gk
@henok_gk 3 года назад
Been missing GN these last few days good to see you're back!
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 3 года назад
Should be mostly back to daily uploads now!
@ziarmex6167
@ziarmex6167 3 года назад
@@GamersNexus it still amazes me how you can make such high quality content in such short amounts of time.
@hisfatness522
@hisfatness522 3 года назад
@@ziarmex6167 Probably due to an amazing team and sacrificing some sleep.
@johnsherby9130
@johnsherby9130 3 года назад
@sᴀᴠɪᴏᴜʀ ᴍᴀᴄʜɪɴᴇ if a couple children die in order for my hardware news to be done on time then it is acceptable
@imo098765
@imo098765 3 года назад
I see another video thats going to spark controvesy over the internet
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 3 года назад
Not our goal!
@PrimoRocker
@PrimoRocker 3 года назад
@@-_-Ga-_-ku-_- yeah, cause obviously one is better
@imo098765
@imo098765 3 года назад
@@GamersNexus For SCIENCE!
@CannedMarmalade
@CannedMarmalade 3 года назад
Yeah unfortunately this video is probably going to be used as ammo for PC vs Console arguments
@chilibiskit14
@chilibiskit14 3 года назад
@@imo098765 fr lol even though we all know no pc can scratch the power of a ps5 at the price point
@steve9094
@steve9094 2 года назад
Since I'm playing in 1080p without ray tracing, I expect to be able to use my GTX 1070 and R5 3600 combo for years to come. Actually, the 1070 has turned into one of the best investments I've ever made in tech - I can still play modern games with high settings four years after buying it. Good thing too, cuz GPU prices are insane.
@LucasSantos-cb1fh
@LucasSantos-cb1fh Год назад
i have a 1070, i cant even bump up rd2 to high settings dude im getting a 3090 soon
@steve9094
@steve9094 Год назад
@@LucasSantos-cb1fh I replied to you a second ago, but my comment immediately disappeared for some weird reason. Anyway, if you want, I can post my custom tweaked settings for RDR2 that give me ~70 fps with most settings on ultra or high. The lighting quality setting makes a huge difference - putting it on medium got rid of most of my severe framerate drops. The only other stuff I have on medium are water and volumetrics.
@LucasSantos-cb1fh
@LucasSantos-cb1fh Год назад
@@steve9094 ok ima give it a try
@hooper157
@hooper157 Год назад
@@LucasSantos-cb1fh you have a different problem I play on ultra with an rx 580 or 1060 NVIDIA equivalent
@melancholyentertainment
@melancholyentertainment 5 месяцев назад
2015 called, it wants its resolution back.
@thesprucemoose9328
@thesprucemoose9328 3 года назад
Thanks Steve, really interesting piece. I’d been curious about how the performance of the new consoles compared, and naturally you’ve answered it in a more detailed way than I’d even known how to ask.
@DanishTroll87
@DanishTroll87 2 года назад
His comparison was trash though.
@AbimayoXD
@AbimayoXD Год назад
Imagine comparing a card that can do 4k 60 to a 1060
@alienworm1999
@alienworm1999 3 года назад
This video is too level-headed, now I need to get a refund on my pitchfork
@foxvulpes8245
@foxvulpes8245 3 года назад
Lucky you... I had already lit my torches ):
@victorbaez8673
@victorbaez8673 3 года назад
I cant get a return on my battering ram so im going to have to resell it now
@T1cksandLeeches
@T1cksandLeeches 3 года назад
@Vishal I hope they revisit this in about a year. Give game devs time to push the new console hardware to it's max and then start the comparison. It's honestly not a fair fight right now and the comparisons will probably be all over the place from game to game. I imagine the big AAA games will start creeping up to the 2070-2080 level eventually, but only time will tell.
@thesonnen447
@thesonnen447 3 года назад
@@T1cksandLeechesMaybe native games would also be preferable, since many of these were rushed back-compats (except maybe Rally, but damn they didn't code well for it even the settings were off). 60FPS games are better for the comparison since we all know, unless a game is on a godly port like Doom/Vulkan, 4k120 AAA at native is quite unrealistic. Also, some of the engine I believe has to be enabled by Sony first.
@benedikt2426
@benedikt2426 3 года назад
@@T1cksandLeeches I don't think it's unfair because PC hardware is always getting cheaper so a future 500$ PC would also have a better performance. I personally think the PS5 will have the best bang for buck when compared to a PC in the first half of it's lifecycle, so I think for the next 3 years the PS5 won't be beat, but 3 years of PS+ are around 180$ which is the reason why I won't buy a PS5 after having a PS4 since launch. Sorry for the long answer.
@phillyryry1430
@phillyryry1430 3 года назад
Awesome level of analysis Steve!
@2462631418
@2462631418 3 года назад
Content of this channel is always top level. Another great job
@ASKid24
@ASKid24 3 года назад
I was hoping someone would do a comparison like this 👍
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 3 года назад
Thanks!
@thesonnen447
@thesonnen447 3 года назад
It's perfect. It will hopefully be revisited also when the custom hardware mod/engine is enabled within the PS5 that Devs were talking about when they rightfully so weren't happy they were given too little time to access/use it.
@hitler69
@hitler69 3 года назад
digital foundry also did a comparison. go check that out too. this video honestly feels biased based on the cherrypicked games
@droolguy
@droolguy 3 года назад
@@hitler69 How are they cherrypicked? They literally used the games the PS5 directly referenced in their literature.
@hitler69
@hitler69 3 года назад
@@droolguy dmc5 and borderlands 3 are not native ps5 games. dirt5 is also not really a next gen game. he could have picked stuff like asscreed vahalla or cod blops cold war but nope. gotta pick those random ass games. and before you say something about how im console fanboy: my pc is probably better than yours. imgur.com/l7lvazO
@BuzzKiller23
@BuzzKiller23 3 года назад
When your life flashes before your eyes how much of it do you want to not be rendered in 8K?
@Herbertti3
@Herbertti3 3 года назад
Like 95% is ok with 240p.
@PhoonigaN
@PhoonigaN 3 года назад
I dont really like back light strobing srry...
@Meitti
@Meitti 3 года назад
That paragraph in that article almost sounded like a threat. "Buy it or else!"
@sigy4ever
@sigy4ever 3 года назад
All of it, 8k sounds horridly expensive
@tonygeddes9558
@tonygeddes9558 2 года назад
Amazing as always! Cheers, Steve 👊
@Ba1atu
@Ba1atu 3 года назад
Kudos to Patrick and the whole team for such an elaborate comparison!
@vanforsman
@vanforsman 3 года назад
This is the most clear adaptive sync demonstration I've seen! Thanks!
@LeFatalpotato
@LeFatalpotato 3 года назад
I feel like this is the closest thing we will ever get to a gaming undergrad class.
@jasonschweitzman8961
@jasonschweitzman8961 3 года назад
Lefatalpotato at Trump University?
@mjs1231
@mjs1231 3 года назад
Grad, get a job for 40 k and owe 140 k. Lmao the world has reversed.
@Gamelord191
@Gamelord191 3 года назад
@Andrew V Could you expand on that?
@prefrontalcortex2602
@prefrontalcortex2602 3 года назад
Heh
@ashleyp639
@ashleyp639 3 года назад
@@Gamelord191 I think he's a playstation fanboy
@Llamadeus
@Llamadeus 3 года назад
I'm confused that resolution doesn't seem to be accounted for in this video? Edit: to clarify I'm used to GN being very detailed in it's analysis and exhaustive in it's testing methodology. Lacking being told explicitly the resolution you ran the PC titles at I have to assume 1080p especially at 120fps. This is egregious considering the ps5 does reconstruct 4k, but does so from a base resolution of 1440p to 1800p, and in some cases native 4k. It is disingenuous then to say "the ps5 runs like a 1060" if the 1060 is rendering 80% less pixels in otherwise identical workloads. This disregarding any additional resourcess required to finish reconstructing that 1440p-1800p image to full 4k when again the 1060 is just presenting it's raw 1080p frame. Raw spec alone demonstrates that this test is suspect when we know the PS5 is using an RDNA2 GPU which produces 10.28 TFLOPs on that modern architecture vs the 4.4 TFLOPs of the 1060 6GB on an outdated architecture like Pascal. All of that being said I am making assumptions here on the testing methodology and would love to receive elaboration on it. IF my assumptions are correct and you are running these games at 1080 and not 1440 or 1800 to resolution match the ps5 then I'd like to see those results instead. EDIT2: I've looked into it and it looks like pre-patch the DMC5 normal mode actually ran at 4K native at approx 80FPS on average before the 60FPS lock was introduced. Seeing as you have a disc based PS5 you COULD run an unpatched unlocked native 4k version of DMC5 on the ps5 and 4k native on the 1060 for a true apples to apples comparison. Final edit: I just looked at the settings you showed in the video and confirmed you are running this game at 1080p native on the 1060.... GN your test is fundamentally flawed when one gpu is running 4k and the other 1080p. I genuinely expect better.
@normalperson696
@normalperson696 3 года назад
Ask him to play ac vallhala with ps5 at 1440p and then compare it with 1080ti it is nowhere close,and for 1060 u cant hit ps5 fps at that settings at 900p
@kalimarumugam937
@kalimarumugam937 3 года назад
Weird... It feels like if anyone raises these issues you will automatically be labeled a console fan boy. But this video seems particularly misleading with regards to the notion that a Ps5 is equivalent to a 4 to 5 year old mid to high end gaming PC. Based on all the tests digital foundry have done... Where they have a very similar type of video... It's clear that the Ps5 is roughly in the gtx2070 range minus the ray tracing perf. Especially when it comes to native resolution being run on Ps5.. Which as you mentioned is usually a 1440p base on which reconstruction is done. Was super interested in this video when I saw the title but I feel like this vid completely misses the mark. Coming from a PC, Ps5, Gn fan 😂
@visordo
@visordo 3 года назад
I think all games were 1920x1080, and the capture device used for PS5 was a 1080p resolution, so PS5 should be rendering @ 1080p. It is to early to compare it to 4 -5 years old PC HW. Developers have not yet fully taken advantage of the new HW.
@Llamadeus
@Llamadeus 3 года назад
@@visordo The PS5 while outputting 1080 does not RENDER at 1080p. It still renders at whatever resolution the game renders at and then downsamples to 1080p.
@normalperson696
@normalperson696 3 года назад
@@kalimarumugam937 also u can’t compare consoles to pc so easily specially due to their architecture being different and their optimisation being different .red dead redemption 2 on ps4 runs at 1080 p 30 fps with decent graphics which was compared to 660ti back then which runs it below 20 fps on low at 1080p
@tazmaniandarcy
@tazmaniandarcy 2 года назад
Sony really needs to clarify that the 8k reference is not for gaming performance. It’s most likely for future video content like movies etc.
@beanslol1725
@beanslol1725 2 года назад
Which is gonna be hard because most content dont even support 8k so idk why playstation advertised that. Especially when a 8k tv will cost you a leg and arm.
@user-nw4si3jq3w
@user-nw4si3jq3w 8 месяцев назад
@@beanslol1725 It can probably output this resolution but can't actually run it, what i mean is, the xbox 360 had an option for 1080p but no game ran at native 720p let alone 1080p, it just had the option to enable it, same goes for the ps5, it can support the 8k resolution in the main menu/media but not in games or streams.
@p51mustang24
@p51mustang24 3 года назад
Only PC can provide the **true RGB experience**
@GraveUypo
@GraveUypo 3 года назад
you must not have been around for the casemod era
@critical_unknown
@critical_unknown 3 года назад
@@GraveUypo UV clear Perspex Cases making the whole room glow 😂
@marcusfarquarhson8748
@marcusfarquarhson8748 3 года назад
But true is best on a high end oled
@n3gve
@n3gve 3 года назад
if you have good monotor to look at it
@mastrtonberry2
@mastrtonberry2 3 года назад
@@critical_unknown Cold cathode tubes
@brokenstereotype
@brokenstereotype 3 года назад
“Compatible with things that have HDMI ports”. I just spit out my coffee that I bought last week.
@deescobie9696
@deescobie9696 3 года назад
I just finished cleaning my keyboard thanks to that... :'D
@vPRiiXX
@vPRiiXX 3 года назад
haha omg so funni
@nickllama5296
@nickllama5296 3 года назад
You probably should have spit that out a few days earlier, buddy...
@JamesSchro
@JamesSchro 3 года назад
Time stamp?
@shane.t.188
@shane.t.188 3 года назад
One of the best hardware channels outhere straight up facts breakdowns made easy to the layman...
@pfeilspitze
@pfeilspitze 3 года назад
13:26 "but it can still serve as a software test regardless of the fact that it seems like noone likes it" 🔥🤣
@jasperrost78
@jasperrost78 3 года назад
Now it will be interesting how many people watch the whole video... (a couple days later, most misunderstood comment ever, I meant literally I'd be interested)
@jon2kx
@jon2kx 3 года назад
Dude it's dry man. I'm a PC guy and there are times where he just numbs the world out and I have to escape. He should do a TL;DR section honestly. The videos are just hard to watch sometimes. I get it, he's data oriented, but I just want a little entertainment at points to keep it fresh.
@Bubbauk88
@Bubbauk88 3 года назад
If I dont have time to watch an entire video I will watch the intro, skip through the graphs and then watch the outro.
@radumirceabunica7492
@radumirceabunica7492 3 года назад
@@Bubbauk88 interwebz be ez
@saputrasaputra3347
@saputrasaputra3347 3 года назад
console peasants have left the chat 🤣
@rmdhn1
@rmdhn1 3 года назад
I can't watch a whole GN Video, too complicated and borring
@tyber_roman313
@tyber_roman313 3 года назад
21:55 "Social distancing in the console version" Steve I would like you to know this is the humor I greatly appreciate from you. It makes watching these videos a much greater experience (and BTW i am loving my mouse mat. Glad i bought it day 1 before it sold out)
@josedeleon1923
@josedeleon1923 Год назад
Seems like a good moment to revisit this topic, given that there are more multiplataform titles for testing.
@PHOBOS1708
@PHOBOS1708 3 года назад
AWESOME WORK! KEEP UP THE BRILLIANT WORK!
@MrEstarion
@MrEstarion 3 года назад
For all value adepts, remember there's another layer of cost when it comes to PC vs console. Some regions have regional pricing on Steam but not consoles. For Russia specifically, you can save a few hundred bucks on hardware by picking PS5, but PC games tend to be at least half the price of console copies. A whole console generation is enough to end up spending less on hardware + games combined even without factoring in aggressive Steam discounts and piracy
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 3 года назад
Yeah, lots of value in both devices, depending on region. Consoles also offer a lot of value in the peace-of-mind aspect of putting it next to the TV and forgetting about it. They're easy to get into use, there are exclusives (sometimes, getting less common), and they're accessible. PCs can do work, are capable of doing other types of tasks, and are upgradeable. Each has value!
@thejuiceweasel
@thejuiceweasel 3 года назад
That's a very important thing people forget about. Even here in Germany I can pre-order Nier Replicant on PC for 46€, compared to 60€ for the PS4 version. It really adds up over time. So yeah, both systems have their money saving options.
@klm_
@klm_ 3 года назад
Don't forget that you have to pay an extra cash to be able to play on console, Xbox Live and PlayStation Plus, add an extra 50 to 60€ per year, also on pc you can do much more than just playing, you can upgrade while on console you have to buy a complete new console to "upgrade" and then still have to buy all the games again.. (or most of it or pay an extra to get the "upgraded" version)... what a joke!
@Twistedpaolumu
@Twistedpaolumu 3 года назад
@@thejuiceweasel this only applies if you are the kind of person who only buy full priced games, there are sales on all platforms
@bodifx
@bodifx 3 года назад
Where I live (Brazil) PC games are considered "software" for taxation and console games are considered "luxurious item", in practice console games are anything between 2-3x more expensive at launch and if you factor Steam sales that can be as much as 10x more!
@magethenrogue3035
@magethenrogue3035 3 года назад
I guess I'm keeping the 4790k and 1080 for another year
@cwill6491
@cwill6491 3 года назад
The 1080 will never die it seems. There has yet to be an upgrade worth it.
@imp_ct
@imp_ct 3 года назад
@@cwill6491 lmao 1080 can't even use DLSS or RTX. Thing is trash at 4K. Keep lying to yourself I guess.
@sigy4ever
@sigy4ever 3 года назад
​@@imp_ct why are you gaming in 4k anyway? just 1440p way cheaper and it doesn't make you sound like an elitist fuckwit in the yt comment sections e: just want to point out that if you are gaming in '4k' with dlss on you arn't actually gaming in 4k, just upscaling from a smaller resolution (potentially 720p), Yeah sure DLSS has done great things for rtx and the 2060 non super fps but you are not actually gaming in native 3840 × 2160 So who is really lying to themselves when they say they are gaming at 4K, while DLSS turned on?
@imp_ct
@imp_ct 3 года назад
@@sigy4ever sub-native res is disgusting and not needed with a 3080 and DLSS.
@Ahov
@Ahov 3 года назад
@@imp_ct Oh look, another tech-illiterate commenter.
@phil1606
@phil1606 3 года назад
I don't even game, but your information is such good quality of research, design and presentation that I find it very interesting to learn from. Super impressed how much work went into this comparison and the hours of analysis is not lost on your audience with good flow and visuals. Thanks for gaming and passionately nerding out about it in an intelligent way!
@t1e6x12
@t1e6x12 3 года назад
gaem :)
@xpodx
@xpodx Год назад
Yea he's baller
@DrR1pper
@DrR1pper 3 года назад
The resolutions did not look the same to my eye when you showed side-by-side footage early on. Seemed like the PC was on lower resolution. Particularly apparent based on the shimmering (5:32) in one scene on the pc version as well as slightly sharper image on the ps5.
@altacc1795
@altacc1795 3 года назад
It is just the shadows bro. The ps5 has deeper shadows.
@ThanosOnHisFarm
@ThanosOnHisFarm 3 года назад
I can usually follow GN videos, but this one had me seeing stars
@freemanzweidreifunf8025
@freemanzweidreifunf8025 3 года назад
yeah u can lituarly feel, the time and effort GN puts into their Testing Methodoligy, powering straight into your head :D but tbh... its only much talk about frames, caputrerates and misleading data, the rate at wich steve is talking it through without any visual assitance for the concept itself, while also other relavent data is presentet, makes it so challanging to follow.
@guerillagrueplays6301
@guerillagrueplays6301 3 года назад
Awesome video. Makes me feel a lot better about the viability of my current system :)
@Aiumy91
@Aiumy91 3 года назад
My question is: is better looking HDR (oled)+console graphics or 4k SDR monitor +ultra settings? I think at this moment HDR is lacking someway in the pc panorama and some better effects or textures aren’t gamechanging from tv than colour spectrum (I suppose you sit more far from a TV than a monitor).
@nickllama5296
@nickllama5296 3 года назад
You can't really buy a TV without HDR anymore, but I agree that for gaming it's terrible. (It's not that impressive for most programming either.) As for your comparison, a 4K monitor at ultra settings is going to look substantially better than a 4K oled with console settings. As Steve's video shows, the equivalent of most console games is low to medium settings on PC games. Only thing that will look better on the OLED are the blacks, which are phenomenal. PC monitors can't come even close to that. My Samsung QLED tv, when it's showing all black, I literally can't tell if it's on or not.
@Aiumy91
@Aiumy91 3 года назад
​@@nickllama5296 Yeah, I agree with you that consoles settings are low-medium quality, but what I am saying is that from distance you don't perceive this graphic details as you do with colours. When I play with my computer i sit 70cm from the monitor (I use wqhd tn freesync 144hz calibrated), so my eyes notices more graphic detail then when I am sitting on the sofa with my television and xbox, but in this second case I'm blasted by the colors. The example is that I'm thinking to play Jedi Fallen Order on Series X than on my computer because at this moment, for my eyes, HDR and Oled television are more satisfying then ultra settings on pc, or maybe I am just crazy :D
@zaneearldufour
@zaneearldufour 3 года назад
I haven't actually seen footage of screen tearing before, so that alone is educational for me
@michaelellams9105
@michaelellams9105 3 года назад
In 2015 I was playing Rage on pc and thought something was wrong with my game had a line through my game and was wow what is that when I looked it up and just said enable vsync to stop screen tearing so I really haven't had it in other games especially after moving to faster refresh screens but always look out for it.
@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751
@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751 3 года назад
I've had it , it royal sucks when it happens .
@bobbybologna3029
@bobbybologna3029 3 года назад
haw haw imagine not having a gsync/freesync monitor 😄
@natmarelnam4871
@natmarelnam4871 2 года назад
@@bobbybologna3029 Imagine thinking they really matter. My Monitors and even TV are all FreeSync Premium but thanks to the Market I've been using a 1660S and it made zero difference in gameplay. VRB vs Vsync is like 165 vs 144hz, it's technically better but it doesn't really make a difference.
@jakdex2210
@jakdex2210 3 года назад
Great video as always, only nit pick: screen tearing is new to the console guys? Don't forget the xbox 360/PS3 era, it was a tearing fest lol.
@jonnypena7651
@jonnypena7651 3 года назад
No always because they were capped to 30fps andTV can change between 30hz and 60hz.
@nogroup5861
@nogroup5861 3 года назад
PS2 had some screen tearing games too.
@andydbedford
@andydbedford 3 года назад
Yes Red dead redemption was pretty bad at screen tearing, however who cares about tearing when your playing the original red dead redemption, it was brilliant. 👍
@Impetu0us
@Impetu0us 3 года назад
Agreed, it was very prominent in Gears of War 3.
@eldibs
@eldibs 3 года назад
This is so educational, it's like taking a class on game graphics settings. I love it.
@najib9093
@najib9093 3 года назад
@@e.4485 You don’t need PS Plus for F2P multiplayer games. So I play whatever I want to without paying subscriptions. Also, most of those games he tested aren’t properly optimised for PS5, and just run with free next gen upgrades that don’t make full use of the PS5’s architecture. If there were PC ports of Demon’s Souls Remake (1440p60 with absolutely insane polygon counts) or Spider-Man (1440p60 with RT) which we know for sure are properly optimised for PS5 then PS5 would be more like a 2070S.
@santhoshsridhar5887
@santhoshsridhar5887 3 года назад
@@e.4485 Absolutely no fucking way the ps5 is as good as a 3060 ti. More like slightly more powerful 1080 ti/2070 super.
@santhoshsridhar5887
@santhoshsridhar5887 3 года назад
@@e.4485 yeah. I get it now.
@s3rv3r3rror8
@s3rv3r3rror8 3 года назад
@@e.4485 So what do you play World of warcraft at 1000fps??
@s3rv3r3rror8
@s3rv3r3rror8 3 года назад
@@e.4485 That is actually a good game carry on!! 👍🏼hahha i hope you guys don't take this video for facts, this video will be the laughing stock in a few months/year time! If it isn't already.
@franchellevanheerden
@franchellevanheerden 3 года назад
Dirt 5 on consoles , no spectators. Seems like they are implementing social distance there.. LOL
@frostjack5456
@frostjack5456 3 года назад
Yes, that is the joke that Steve made
@PegasusTenma1
@PegasusTenma1 3 года назад
@Lov Mir do you even know what you’re talking about? I had a stroke reading that comment
@shagstars
@shagstars 3 года назад
@Lov Mir most games that are capped actually cannot run faster without lowering the graphics (they make it as good it can be with 120 fps in mind but there are always drops to 110 fps but that is not noticible.
@braxtongarner3843
@braxtongarner3843 3 года назад
@@PegasusTenma1 dude it’s the “gTx 1080p” o_0
@ncorcoran29
@ncorcoran29 3 года назад
Yea spectators are my favorite part of a racing game lol
@Mozts1
@Mozts1 3 года назад
This is such unique and well thought out piece of content. Great job and thanks.
@momsbasement656
@momsbasement656 3 года назад
Where is the Xbox Series X thermal review you were working on?
@damienlobb85
@damienlobb85 3 года назад
This
@irishpotato8816
@irishpotato8816 3 года назад
Probably being worked on.
@Flyn_Valighn
@Flyn_Valighn 3 года назад
Gamers Nexus You should talk to your editor cause he flipped the descriptions at 5:50 and 7:55 but didn't flip the clips just sayin.
@rocketpencil5948
@rocketpencil5948 3 года назад
Sometimes people forget that's pc is litterly a pc. It can be used for other things besides gaming, which is why I prefer a pc
@balloonb0y677
@balloonb0y677 3 года назад
Anything you do on your computer I can do on my laptop 😐
@rocketpencil5948
@rocketpencil5948 3 года назад
@@balloonb0y677 Laptops are computers that are less powerful but portable. If your laptop has the same specs as my pc it's going to cost 20-30% more.
@balloonb0y677
@balloonb0y677 3 года назад
@@rocketpencil5948 it doesn’t have to be powerful to join a zoom meeting, or do home work, my uncle is a computer engineer and he doesn’t even need a super powerful computer to do his work. But yes if you do need a pc for work and you like to play video games than yes you should get a powerful pc. Example: there’s a race that only takes place on roads, I have a high performance super car (console) and you have a car (pc) that performs really good on the streets and can go off-road. You can’t say it’s better than my car that can only be driven on a road because theirs no need to drive it is on something other than a road when you only need it to drive it on a road. The point is that your off topic
@Dune571
@Dune571 3 года назад
@@balloonb0y677 A...a laptop IS a PC???
@balloonb0y677
@balloonb0y677 3 года назад
@@Dune571 they do the same thing
@danthebit8509
@danthebit8509 3 года назад
will a 60fps cap on a 60hz monitor prevent from tearing and stuttering if gpu is always capable of offering those 60 fps even for 1% and 0.1% min?
@h2oaddict28
@h2oaddict28 3 года назад
Depends on the game, some might require vsync. Try getting freesync, fixes everything.
@shibaspeed
@shibaspeed 3 года назад
This was really interesting! I hope you will do this for PC versus the Xbox Series X.
@xpodx
@xpodx Год назад
Gtx 1070\1080 maybe
@ziarmex6167
@ziarmex6167 3 года назад
This video must have been EXHAUSTING to make ... Still glad you made it !
@KanekiBhaiya
@KanekiBhaiya 3 года назад
Huge respect to Patrick •́ ‿ ,•̀
@timothygibney5656
@timothygibney5656 3 года назад
Damn. With Valhalla we were given the impression the PS 5 was closer to a rtx 2060. Obviously not. Devil May Cry truly sucked
@wtfronsson
@wtfronsson 3 года назад
Valhalla is a bad example. Very poor optimization on PC, broken settings that don't seem to do anything etc.
@baxter009
@baxter009 3 года назад
Will we ever see a Series X teardown and cooling analysis?
@lucapezzetta7649
@lucapezzetta7649 3 года назад
I find your videos oddly calming. Such laid back content. Absolutely love it!
@maxpower2919
@maxpower2919 3 года назад
Hey Steve. You sound monotonous sometimes, but mostly enthusiastic and sarcastic. You're the charm of GN. Thank you and the team for working hard to bring us consistent content. Always some good information that my brain can't process instantly. 🤘
@russb7
@russb7 3 года назад
Does the 1060 compete or still surpass the PS5 while gaming at 4k?
@TomBass411
@TomBass411 3 года назад
WOW, if i have even one take home from this as a relative layman to all this it's the great explanation of High/Low Performance Tearing! Having just switched from console gaming its one of my huge caveats as I ween myself from v-sync. Great examples to use as well!
@ChaosPootato
@ChaosPootato 3 года назад
Texture popping in Borderlands games has always been crazy
@jonnypena7651
@jonnypena7651 3 года назад
Yeah, maybe something to do with its specific art style.
@velinion1
@velinion1 3 года назад
Yep. I remember there were some ini tweaks that could be used to eliminate it in BL1 and BL2. Didn't seem to hurt performance at all either, which always made it more puzzling to me that it was there in the first place.
@Rob3ZA
@Rob3ZA 3 года назад
@@jonnypena7651 It's the texture streaming feature of UE4. Can be disabled with -NOTEXTURESTREAMING but you need 8GB of VRAM to make it work with BL3
@user-zd2kl9yg4v
@user-zd2kl9yg4v 3 года назад
@@velinion1 Wasn't there a setting to reduce texture streaming in borderlands 2 games? Right there, in the menu.
@insane_t1605
@insane_t1605 3 года назад
@gamers nexus NEVER CHANGE PLS
@Ahmed_ElSayed01
@Ahmed_ElSayed01 3 года назад
So can you a pc equivalent to the ps5 with the same price? I am asking because he just said it's equivalent to a high end pc from 5 years
@Knights_of_the_Nine
@Knights_of_the_Nine 3 года назад
Thank GOD you did this. Tired of people saying the PS5 has a 2080Ti equivalent.
@DeanCalaway
@DeanCalaway 3 года назад
Maybe because Digital Foundry did a test with roughly the same methodology on the Xbox Series X ages ago in Gears of War and saw that game on that console running at an equivalent of an RTX 2080?
@itsjaedonsan3166
@itsjaedonsan3166 3 года назад
Forreal I've seen a bunch of gpu comparisons, but this 1 is the best
@LukijsFroGo
@LukijsFroGo 3 года назад
Wouldnt say that, but when you see something like miles morales in 4k30 mode with full rt, its not aomething that 1060 could do, so it varies. Same for demons souls
@saputrasaputra3347
@saputrasaputra3347 3 года назад
yeah... the ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance 🤣
@DeanCalaway
@DeanCalaway 3 года назад
@@LukijsFroGo Doesn't Miles Morales run at 60FPS with RT on after some patch? Even if it's using checkerboard rendering or some sort of temporal reconstruction that's about the same as DLSS, "4K" but not really. It has been said many times before, this generation resolution will be fairly meaningless, specially when I'm willing to bet dynamic resolution will be common place on top of up scaling technics.
@biobreaker5009
@biobreaker5009 3 года назад
Oh man, the AIO controversy isn't gonna be shit against this one
@XyaireFord
@XyaireFord 3 года назад
What controversy? I’m out the loop
@biobreaker5009
@biobreaker5009 3 года назад
@@XyaireFord A crapload of people started venting at PC builders after Gamers Nexus explained how to properly mount an All In One cooler. The same type of people that might missuse this video to funnel on others.
@afelias
@afelias 3 года назад
@Nick Diesal You probably didn't watch the video. There was nothing subjective about the mounting configurations they covered, and they even used a dummy AIO with transparent viewing windows to illustrate their point. The fact that people misused that information, mostly by not watching the whole video, has nothing to do with the fact that the video itself made objectively good points on mounting AIOs.
@afelias
@afelias 3 года назад
@Nick Diesal Which is exactly how I know you didn't watch the video. The AIO video points out two distinct types of error: Pump at top of loop and tubes up. The one that they show to have an effect on performance is the former, and the one you're talking about, the latter, has more to do with the sounds of bubbling adversely affecting anyone who wants a more silent setup. They even say in the AIO video that it's preferable to go tubes down, but if you had to do it [tubes up], it's fine for performance.
@afelias
@afelias 3 года назад
@Nick Diesal It producing more noise than it has to is in fact inefficient. Earlier you mentioned performance and now you're backpedaling to "it's inefficient". At least you probably went back and actually watched the video this time. I hope, at least. stay mad indeed, lol
@campingchronicles321
@campingchronicles321 3 года назад
When are you gonna test the series x cooling system or find it's equivalent pc?
@ncorcoran29
@ncorcoran29 3 года назад
Never hes probably sponsored by microsoft
@babayaga4320
@babayaga4320 2 года назад
I've been wondering how my HP Omen Ryzen 7 5800h compares to a PS5/Xbox series X. Is my laptop at least close in power?
@M1tZk1
@M1tZk1 3 года назад
I'm really wondering about this test. 1. just comparing the GPU performance. The 1060 or 580 are more equivalent to the GPU power of the Xbox One X, which had was it 4 or 6 TF? Now the PS5 has double the TF. 2nd the Unreal Engine 5 that was showcased on a PS5 or the new Demon Souls on the PS5 show that the console is capable of far more than these "native" games that are basically old gen versions slightly patched for current gen. Uncharted 1 and The Last of Us were both on the PS3 but looked like there was a whole generation between them. Same could be said for the PS4 if you compare let's say Battlefield 4 and Battlefield V. This test might work for games right now but this PC won't hold up nearly as good as the PS5 in 4-5 years.
@matheus-sm7860
@matheus-sm7860 3 года назад
Internal bottlenecks are the only explanation.
@_Chad_ThunderCock
@_Chad_ThunderCock 3 года назад
if he tested valhalla I think steve would have been in for a surprise
@entreri76x
@entreri76x 3 года назад
The unreal engine five demo for PlayStation five wasn’t even hitting solid 30fps...
@mongocom1735
@mongocom1735 3 года назад
This, if the gtx had somewhat of raytracing hardware support or would be kept up to date on a hardcore level (drivers) like launch, it would stay like that, unfortunately this card is already 4 years old and in 4-5 years not cared enough anymore by nvidia to push drivers Further. On the console it might run everything watered down but everything will be pushed at its absolute maximum. (For example because of hardware limitations in Spider-Man, aka to slow cpu on ps4, Scenes where built behind the camera (literally behind) while a cutscene was playing just so that the ps4 doesn’t chug at 15 fps)
@M1tZk1
@M1tZk1 3 года назад
@@entreri76x that's why I also mentioned Demon Souls. The engine is clearly not finished and has no solid evidence, but it shows the possible ceiling of the PS5
@blueishgreen76
@blueishgreen76 3 года назад
The removal of spectators in 120FPS mode might indicate that the PS5 gets CPU bound at 120 FPS.
@ut2k4wikichici
@ut2k4wikichici 3 года назад
Yeah seems to be the case it's weird like between a 1700 and 3700
@irishpotato8816
@irishpotato8816 3 года назад
I wonder if that 3300x was bottlenecking the Gtx 1080? Or more importantly the games wanted more cpu cores and the 3300x was not enough.
@ut2k4wikichici
@ut2k4wikichici 3 года назад
@@irishpotato8816 the ps5 does have a 8c8t mode which is similar to the 3300x 4c8t but higher clocks
@devchatterjee2955
@devchatterjee2955 3 года назад
@@ut2k4wikichici Incorrect it has 8c16t just like a 3700x albeit at a lower clock speed.
@blueishgreen76
@blueishgreen76 3 года назад
@@devchatterjee2955 It's more likely similar to one of the ryzen 7 mobile processors without the base clock hobbled for power efficiency. The rated clock speed being an "up to" for a "variable" frequency rather than a base/boost makes it very unclear what the realistic multi-core clock is.
@joshfulcifan1015
@joshfulcifan1015 2 года назад
Question: I have a PS5 and only have an 100Hz Capable TV - Will all games now (and future coming) play with my LED TV - given the 100Hz (and not a nicer 120Hz) Refresh rate??) - I already know I can only use an 2.0 OR 2.0b Hdmi cord, and not a 2.1 HDMI.
@muaz1562
@muaz1562 3 года назад
Hey im building a pc rn and i wanted to ask if the ryzen 3 3100 is a good cpu for the gtx 1070 ti? if not which low end cpu which isnt to expensiv does match it?
@dasistwalter96
@dasistwalter96 3 года назад
I see the "professional driver" from Cyberpunk has returned for this video
@jonnypena7651
@jonnypena7651 3 года назад
What that means?
@pobbityboppity1110
@pobbityboppity1110 3 года назад
Being bad at a racing game means all of the cars are in front of you, producing maximum load.
@brian_sipe
@brian_sipe 3 года назад
@@pobbityboppity1110 Yes, that driving was on purpose, barely an inconvenience...
@johnsherby9130
@johnsherby9130 3 года назад
18:30 truly amazing work on these graphs! I feel like I have a much better understanding of all the concepts here now
@blakecartwright8090
@blakecartwright8090 3 года назад
That screen tearing in dmc5 is gnarly man. Yikes
@roggiepogi211
@roggiepogi211 2 года назад
Lol that's nothing to the PC users. Console gamers might cry over screen tearing after transitioning to PC lmao
@cramsa
@cramsa 3 года назад
This channel sets the standard by which others are measured.
@TheOrlandoK1d
@TheOrlandoK1d 3 года назад
No discussion on the difference in power draw between the console and PC? Would have been interesting to see.
@caparroz1923
@caparroz1923 3 года назад
Oh, boy. This is one of those rare GN videos that you can actually see the light grey portion of the Like/Dislike bar. Edit: Well... 24 hours later and I'm not disappointed. Like I already said: you've got any suggestions to improve Steve's methods? Drop him a email. If you're convinced consoles have more Telaflops than a $2000 PC no matter what? Watch Lichard at Digital Foundly.
@Alcatraz760
@Alcatraz760 3 года назад
Well when you ignore resolution since PS5 runs DMC at reconstructed 4K and comparing to a PC at 1080p, it deserves to be disliked. It's a poorly made video by people who want to cash in the 'console bad' crowd.
@8lec_R
@8lec_R 3 года назад
@@Alcatraz760 what do you mean by reconstructed 4k? If you mean upscaled... Then your point is nullified because upscaled literally means the game is rendered at 1080p and then upscaled (basically 1 pixel turns into 4) to 4k. There's no increase in visual fidelity when you upscale a video / game in this fashion. So 1080p upscaled to 4k = 1080p. IN THIS CASE (it may not apply to other things, for eg bumping up the quality on a yt video to 4k while watching on a 1080p screen can give the viewer a more sharp image. But this is not the point. The only reason why I gave an example was so that no one takes this out of context)
@StonedSolid
@StonedSolid 3 года назад
@@Alcatraz760 "Reconstructed 4k" is marketing BS. Don't fall for it and listen to people who actually know what they are talking about and not the people who are just trying to sell you a product.
@RuneMamba
@RuneMamba 3 года назад
@@8lec_R are you dumb ? its running at 1800p not 1080p dude much more intensive.
@RuneMamba
@RuneMamba 3 года назад
@@StonedSolid No its not, the game is literally running at 1800p lmao which is higher than 1440p. Comparing 1080p to 1800p isn't fair
@crepituss9381
@crepituss9381 3 года назад
I haven't owned a console since the playstation 2, but this is an interesting and great in depth analysis. Thanks for doing it!
@HardDiskDog
@HardDiskDog Год назад
i sorted by newest comments to see if this was still relevant to newer ps5 games and man how many people posting here are like 15, that was awful to read
@tipoomaster
@tipoomaster 3 года назад
Interesting. I'd be interested in seeing follow ups at least once a year during this console generation, as typically even "matched" PC hardware will start to fall by the wayside while developers will just do the tuning and cuts to make things work on a fixed spec console. Some of the late 7th gen games would be unthinkable to run on equivalent PC hardware which had long since fallen off the tuning radar, I'm curious if this is still the case or things like low level APIs have blunted this somewhat.
@shadymodnation5781
@shadymodnation5781 3 года назад
What about the SSD speed?
@Skylancer727
@Skylancer727 3 года назад
It doesn't really matter. Basically no game on the market actually utilizes the PS5's SSD, just like on PC the difference between a SATA and NVME drive is negligible (which it shouldn't be even close). Devil May Cry 5 utilizes it better than a SATA drive as shown by the viral "PS5 loads faster than PC" video but when compared to a 3.0 SSD they were still identical (which again they shouldn't be). It doesn't really matter as no game on the market utilizes that SSD.
@are3287
@are3287 3 года назад
Doesnt affect FPS and it's still a 600$ pc i you throw a compareable 1 terabyte nvme ssd into it. Admittably 100 bucks more than the PS5 so if you only play games and dont need a computer for anything else a PS5 is probably a the better choice right now.
@Bunster
@Bunster 3 года назад
@Transistor Jump load times aint gonna magically make the fps better
@reblitgaming
@reblitgaming Год назад
Hi Steve, can we revisit this in 2023? And compare the games as they come out now? and maybe more popular ones like COD, Fortnite UE5, Elden ring ect. I believe this would be completely different picture. But i might be wrong.
@jakethompson5732
@jakethompson5732 3 года назад
The guy presenting this is such an ease to watch, really love the content, its amazing how many hours you can waste watching this stuff.
@samuelm5140
@samuelm5140 3 года назад
Inb4 misunderstanding of this content adding more fuel to the console wars
@patricktho6546
@patricktho6546 3 года назад
I already see them :(
@dreddc6064
@dreddc6064 3 года назад
@@seahawkd5203 only thing is you would be playing it on 5 year old mid tier rig lol
@brenlouissurio2404
@brenlouissurio2404 3 года назад
Only if you're a 10 year old kid. I have a PC, will get a PS5.
@Skylancer727
@Skylancer727 3 года назад
@@seahawkd5203 Personally I don't want a PS5. A few of the games are cool, but I tend to lock myself down to like 3 games at a time and wouldn't really care about their exclusives anyways. Been playing Persona 4, Satisfactory, and Genshin Impact basically exclusively since each of them came out. If only I had more time for gaming...
@Skylancer727
@Skylancer727 3 года назад
@@brenlouissurio2404 After getting a job, I don't have the time to play that many games. I'll stick to my PC and play about 3 games a year. Basically what I've done since I've finished high school. Just really changes what you have time for.
@KingOgLy
@KingOgLy 3 года назад
High frame rate is new to consoles clearly by looking at the frametimes. I would like to see a similar comparison for the new games like Watch Dog legion and Valhala that are running better graphics and higher res.
@are3287
@are3287 3 года назад
Well most games were locked to 30fps on ps4 so oof
@pixels_per_inch
@pixels_per_inch 3 года назад
Even though the processor is very powerful, you got to remember it's Zen 2, plus it's only running at 3.5 Ghz, compared to 4.4 Ghz of the 3700, this may be causing a bottleneck when using high framerate mode
@jasonschweitzman8961
@jasonschweitzman8961 3 года назад
@@pixels_per_inch shoudlnt be an issue. On console devs have the advantage of optimising for specific hardware, considering how much devs got out of mobile jaguar CPUs on ps4 and pro, being slightly underclocked shouldnt be an issue. The real reason for the underperformance of the ps5 is that in 120fps performance mode dmc V Downsamples from checkerboard 4K its not running the game 1080p native.
@williampinnock2256
@williampinnock2256 3 года назад
Digital foundry.
@alexcom2582
@alexcom2582 3 года назад
@@pixels_per_inch There is also halved cache and other differences which negatively impacts performance as confirmed by the 3300x shitting on it basically.
@gvnady8380
@gvnady8380 3 года назад
30:08 At that point you should call Jay xD
@baddecisionsoff-roading3243
@baddecisionsoff-roading3243 3 года назад
Literally read this at the same time stamp lmfao. Jay and I would get along. I like nexus and lunges mind you. New too PC and LOVE IT.
@JeremyHansenblue2kid3
@JeremyHansenblue2kid3 2 года назад
Loved this, was really fun. And I'm shocked and confused as to why the hardware needed to change from game to game but framers pacing was about the same. Guess game optimization is a real thing
@Chrisjb1983
@Chrisjb1983 2 года назад
DMC 5 is a streamlined experience, Lot more stuff to process in BL3 and D5 and BL3 is open world. Not to mention DMC 5 was in no way shape or form a 1-1 comparison. PS5 on average competes with a 1080Ti or 2070Ti from game to game. Overall this video was slightly informative, but heavily flawed.
@shikarizero
@shikarizero 3 года назад
21:50 "Maybe they are all social distancing in the console version..." I call that immersive gaming.
@daiphelion7002
@daiphelion7002 3 года назад
That price comparison section... Holy crap did the NVidia 20-series price hike massively shaft the value proposition of PC gaming with a rusty pole.
@DaFunkz
@DaFunkz 3 года назад
Damn I miss the gtx 10 series. Still got my trusty 1060.
@therealmcx3488
@therealmcx3488 Год назад
Facts the only thing making the pc to console comparison lean towards console is hdmi 2.1 right now if you could get a 1060 with 2.1 it would destroy Xbox series x
@CrimsonOmega-
@CrimsonOmega- 3 года назад
No testing at 4k?
@scottc2455
@scottc2455 3 года назад
The main thing that I learned from this video is how huge the PS5 is.
@lottavernix
@lottavernix 3 года назад
This is why Steve isn't allowed to do scrapyard wars anymore. :-)
@ashishdeharia9137
@ashishdeharia9137 3 года назад
I'd like to know more
@lottavernix
@lottavernix 3 года назад
@@ashishdeharia9137 His high standards for comparing hardware aren't compatible with LTT's lighthearted approach.
@jasonschweitzman8961
@jasonschweitzman8961 3 года назад
His tendency to misdirect, exagerate and reach outrageous conclusions doesnt help either.
@theincrediblethinker6371
@theincrediblethinker6371 3 года назад
He is like the Sheldon of gaming
@adifferentangle7064
@adifferentangle7064 3 года назад
@@jasonschweitzman8961 Are you sad that the PS5 is about as good as most people's PCs before they upgrade?
@rushnerd
@rushnerd 3 года назад
It's a seriously amazing step forward consoles can now do 120fps. With that said , it's pretty gimmicky right now save for titles that don't require as much GPU horsepower. 4K 60 is all I ask from new consoles because the temptation over time to dip back to 30 is strong.
@needausernamesoyeah
@needausernamesoyeah 3 года назад
I just hope that this brings death to 30fps cutscenes.
@nukularpictures
@nukularpictures 3 года назад
Well if they can not really manage 1080p @ 120fps how will they manage 4k @ 60fps? That is still double the load. So you would have to lower the settings even more. Super Resolution is the only way how they will be able to run at those levels. Lets see what MS with AMD will create there.
@blueishgreen76
@blueishgreen76 3 года назад
By all accounts what they are managing is 1440 at 60 Hz with upscaling to 4k. On a PS5, its apparent that they are inducing the equivalent of a CPU bottleneck trying to hit 120 fps.
@rushnerd
@rushnerd 3 года назад
@@blueishgreen76 I have no idea what res games use that are "4K" on the system, but Days Gone says it uses "dynamic" 4K 60. Played countless hours of it last month and to me it looked like solid 4K, really impressive.
@nukularpictures
@nukularpictures 3 года назад
@@rushnerd To be honest: If you do not have a comparison, and with consoles you often do not have one, it is hard to spot the differences between Full HD and 4k. Especially if you sit a bit further away from the tv or have a smaller one. If they then use the dynamic scaling well you wont be able to tell.
@Squinoogle
@Squinoogle 3 года назад
Fun comparison, and a bit of a reality-check for both sides.
@matheus-sm7860
@matheus-sm7860 3 года назад
@Jordan Condipodero If anything it showed that the consoles are bad for anything CPU bound. Hence why the terrible frametimes at 1080p, though this gen 60fps seem to be the standard which is what the optimal operation of these consoles seem to deliver, which means you can probably get away with a R5 2600 or 2700 (probably even a 85$ 1600AF Lol), and a GTX 1080 or a Vega 64, or a 5600XT, or a 5700, or a 2060 in most titles, this if you want 1440p (the consoles use dynamic res everyhwere anyway)... If you want something less, other options are probably fine as long you adjust your stuff. Its not that the GPU is bad, its just the APU configuration has some severe bottlenecks due to thermal/power choices, as expected. Compute performance doesnt translate into rasterization. Do not throw me the Asscreed valhalla argument cause its a amd sponsored title. Consoles this gen were overhyped
@radumirceabunica7492
@radumirceabunica7492 3 года назад
@@matheus-sm7860 your comment seems like a breath of fresh air among all the outraged cherry pickers only talking about 1 game out of the 3 tested, you know - the only game that is obviously poorly optimized on ps5 rn, but fail to mention that the 1080 couldn't rly keep up in another of the 3 games tested.. gn was fair. as always. let's see dem new games rly show us how a ps5 is closer to a 2080 in perf, hopefully. I'm rooting for both sides here, pc and console users.
@matheus-sm7860
@matheus-sm7860 3 года назад
@@radumirceabunica7492 I honestly think it might depends on what kind of game it is, if its a game like cyberpunk with a lot of AI running around at same time or a lot of physics calculations happening around, the performance will not be that great. Luckly, most games are SP and consoles arent that great for multiplayer games as far i know, most games are chill games... Fact is, even if its a 2080 on paper, the performance isnt often translated to that in some titles. That also explains why the performance is good on AC Valhalla. At very least they seem to be 60FPS capable machines. Which was the most predominant issue on last gen imo.
@matheus-sm7860
@matheus-sm7860 3 года назад
@Jordan Condipodero Explain further? If you throw me DigitalFoundry videos i'll laugh at you because thats the same youtube channel that accepted nvidia's bribery about the RTX 30 performance and made absurd claims regarding their cards, and in the end the gpus were around 25% less than what nvidia and DF told us. Explain with your words, with your knowledge of the subject. I want to be BTFO.
@matheus-sm7860
@matheus-sm7860 3 года назад
@Jordan Condipodero If you think about it, the PS5 and the XSX as well have the CPU and GPU in the same die, which probably would get very very hot if you pushed everything (includiing the CUs) to the max like you'd do in a PC, except in the console those are in the same die, and in a PC those parts have dedicated cooling and power delivery system, it'd also explain why the variations in frequency of this console (to keep thermals in check) Its not about the hardware it has, it's about the design choices they chose, in theory it should be close to a 2070 or so, but due to thermal limitations, game optimization and how much resources are used, probably it wont be close to that in those scenarios. Its the same thing of using a 2700X with a RTX 3080 and expect the 3080 reach its max potential when theres a obvious constraint in between.
@DeadSoda
@DeadSoda 3 года назад
I was waiting on a video like this. Thanks so much and the hard work you guys do
@8lec_R
@8lec_R 3 года назад
Great video as usual. I just hope the algorithm doesn't punish this video too much... It's gonna get some hate unfortunately. Anyway G'day to everyone at GN HQ
@owlon225
@owlon225 3 года назад
'a 4 year old gpu seems like a good starting point' GN picking on consoles 🌚
@Herbertti3
@Herbertti3 3 года назад
Actually just stating facts.
@denfire5063
@denfire5063 3 года назад
juts facts man they shouldn't get offended by facts
@NizarElZarif
@NizarElZarif 3 года назад
DMC5 runs at 4k consoles (ps5/xbsx). He running the PC at 1080p. I think because the capture cards only capture 1080p@120
@WellytonNandi
@WellytonNandi 3 года назад
Yeah right, let's pretend that the PS5 is on pair with a 1060 lol Imagine being dumb enough to believe in this bs
@Wentyl91
@Wentyl91 3 года назад
GN assuming console manufacturers don't have access to time machines and can't go into the future to implement a 2020 GPU in a console that took years to make.
@Yakoh
@Yakoh 2 года назад
This seems off. I have both a GTX 1060 and a PS5 and they're not even close. PS5 dipping to 34 fps? At what resolution is PS5 running DMCV and at what resolution is the GTX 1060? Results don't make sense unless you're running one at 4K and the other at 1080p.
@0Synergy
@0Synergy 2 года назад
Whats your CPU? XMP on? Is your RAM in dual channel? Sounds like your PC i just configured wrong
@Yakoh
@Yakoh 2 года назад
@@0Synergy Dude, there's no way a RTX can beat a PS5 in this game, no matter how you configure your PC. I mean, PS5 doesn't even have a 1080p mode without RT, so how can this comparison have been made at 1080p with no RT? Do you have the game for both PC and PS5? Cause I do and this doesn't make any sense.
@ShadowOfNexxus
@ShadowOfNexxus 2 года назад
4K reconstruction
@saputrasaputra3347
@saputrasaputra3347 2 года назад
who are you? a tech expert with millions subscribers? more famous than gamer nexus?? show me your methodology and data you're just a salty pony in denial 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@KhromTX
@KhromTX 2 года назад
PS5 is almost certainly running at 1620p.
@borabora4120
@borabora4120 3 года назад
okay okay... I am not fanboy to any firm. BUT can you please show us which settings should We use to get (near)consistent 60fps on a gtx 1060+3300x system on Ac valhalla, On medium-high settings and Upscaled to 4k from any res. You can even use 900p to 4k ?
@borabora4120
@borabora4120 3 года назад
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