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Isn't it obvious.... Double latency.... I swear it's the same people like you that complain again about the latecny even if Sony release it with the Bluetooth
This is the most balance, fair and informative review of the Portal I've seen, and I've seen a few. The pizza cutter is the best analogy to describe this device, particularly from a decker's perspective. I have both, and I enjoy both. I don't need both, but I will use both.
the problem is, a pizza cutter is only like $8. its not that much more money to buy. these devices that can stream games are $200 or more. and that's a lot to spend on a device that does one thing. and worse than the devices you already own
$200 is a lot to spend. In that way, it's hard to recommend to everyone. But tbh, it's hard to recommend a pizza cutter to everyone too. It's not something I would recommend, per se. So I don't _recommend_ the PS Portal. But if you're someone with a large PS5 backlog and the other streaming options aren't attractive to you for one reason or another, then I would recommend considering the Portal.
@@FanTheDeckthe pizza cutter analogy is not good… Pizza cutters can cut literally anything you want. Another commenter said that they use it to cut vegetables, lasagnas, meats, burritos, as well as ANY pizza they want to. The ps portal is more of a pizza cutter that you can ONLY use with ONE kind of pizza and it’s MORE expensive than other pizza cutters with LESS “features” (idk what features would mean on a pizza cutter but it’s just a metaphor) It’s not worth it to to buy something like that…
@@se62hythe steam deck (no OLED) display is trash, it's just 800p(720p), it's not 16:9 so there will be black bars, smaller display, and no haptic feedback. It's also heavier than the portal, and more difficult to setup chiaki compared to setting up the portal for the average consumer.
To minimize latency and video quality issues with the Portal, (if you can) you should connect the PS5 to the wireless router via Ethernet cable, and not via Wi-Fi. (This was also recommended in a PS blog post about the Portal.)
It’s like a pizza cutter… that doesn’t have a handle (Bluetooth/public wifi) and can only used on Delissio (no cloud streaming). I actually don’t have a pizza cutter.
@@MicMaine if i can find one that is used and has analog drift, i will maybe get it and repair it. Production costs are probably very low for this thing.
@mckuc5096 yeah I watched another channel tear down one and there's really not much there to service than regular controller except the screen and he just had to use a heat gun to pop it right off
Sounds like you've never owned a PS5 before. I have never had analog drift with any of my PS5 controllers, and I still actively use the original PS5 controller from the PS5 launch date.
I returned my pre-order the day it arrived, unopened. There is zero need for an additional device in a home already cluttered with redundant devices. The PS Portal will be totally and utterly redundant the day the Chiaki 4 Deck dev implements HDR support for the OLED SD, which he stated will be out before the end of the year. Even without HDR support the SD can faclitate PS remote play better because its track-pads can function as physical PS Dual Shock touch pad. I put the $200 i save from the return towards a 512GB OLED deck making it a $350 purchase and the Deck can also stream my PC, access the internet with a browser, and emulate basically every console under the sun with a better display. No-one asked for this, maybe boomer dads?
But the problem here is that the pizza cutter isn't too expensive. We're at $200 without taxes, lol. So, it's normal that people will settle for their phone, tablet, or Steam Deck for remote play. If the portal's price were $110, then we could say it's a good deal.
if people feel phone l, tablet or whatever is enough for them, sure. The problem here is many of these people proceed to trash portal just because they don't feel it. Not for you? Sure all on you, but trashing it and buyers who love it? Trash
I don't think a normal person wants to bother with a complex setup process like a Backbone. Can you imagine telling someone that they need to install a third party app, manually configure it, and remove their phone from its case every time they want to game on a small screen with constant app and email notifications? The average person just wants a pick up and go product like the Portal.
@@enderspider5001$200 is not bad at all for this. It costs $70 to buy a DualSense, and you'll spend at least $300 to get a tablet as nice as this. But the whole package is more valuable than the sum of its parts.
I tried remote playing Steam games with my phone attached to a Xbox one controller.. it was to small for my taste text was barely readable. I have a Steam deck OLED now and stream more demanding games from my PC to it and love it. I think the PS portable is a good thing for people that don't have a steamdeck or similar device.
I would agree if the Portal was 100$. But as it stands the portal costs 200 and you can get a steam deck for 400. You can get a ... streaming device ONLY for 200.. or a device that can play 10,000+ games natively for ... 400. i seriously cant suggest the portal to anyone. Just get a steam deck.
@@legacysquid0625 Depends on the game, might be the case for games you play. Nearly all games I play don't have such settings. I play a lot of JRPGs that where made for the Japanese console market as main audience where the PC port is more of an afterthought. Many don't even let me choose resolutions that work without 2 black bars on the side on my ultra wide monitor.
@fantasytky28 not really. If one can save 200, then one can save 400. If you only need the portal functionality, then use your existing cell phone with a backbone or ps5 controller attachment to your cell phone. See the problem? Every situation where one can say the portal is useful there is something that does it better, cheaper, and with far more options... The only reason I can personally find for someone to buy it is to be a fan of Sony. It's like buying a sports cap of your favorite team. That's really about it.
The thing about the PlayStation portal is that the entire PS vita community obviously thought this would be a direct successor, which could play games on it's own. It's definitely running circles around the Vita's hardware, and it uses it for streaming. So it was definitely a letdown for a big part of potential buyers. Edit: I also forgot to mention, the PS vita could stream from the PS4 and PS3 (not entirely sure about PS3 tho)
What's crazy is, back in May of this year, articles were written to confirm that this next device, Project Q was going to be a remote-player, requiring Wi-Fi. I'm not sure why everyone was let down in August when it was officially revealed. No one promised a standalone device. I feel like the only person on the Internet who knew exactly what this device was immediately.
@@75and1I think it moreso has to do with the disappointment that Sony has chosen to stop entirely with real handhelds. Big fans of the PSP/Vita are in the right to complain about that
@@TheNameIsSR IDK, just think about it though, from a business perspective. They've got PS5 and PSVR to split developer's attentions. Now that they own a bunch of studios, they probably understand that it's better to focus talent on strong titles, than split up dev time amongst yet another development track...a portable machine. Now-a-days, people have so many options for a dedicated portable machine. The Portal is perfect. It foreshadows the future of the industry, meanwhile delivering the PS5 experience on the couch.
I dunno man, a pizza cutter at LEAST cuts pizza much better than a knife. While the PS portal doesn't even stream games at a better quality than any other device. Even if its the ONLY thing its designed to do.
There's more to the device than streaming. Name a single device with a DualSense pad built in that has the full DualSense feature set. I'm waiting. Name one that that has both the DualSense pad and official PlayStation remote play support.
@@mmstick So you're willing to pay $200 for a glorified gamepad with a screen which requires internet connection to play your games? What a joke, id rather just get a steam deck
well I just stream remote play to my iPad and use the ps5 dual sense controller, and I have a way better display like this compared to the portals and i get all haptics and feeback @@mmstick oh and when i am not playing i can actually use my iPad for 100 other things. so i guess im getting a better experience if anything.
@@mmstick ok lol I’m just trying to create an argument because you are defending a very shitty device in my opinion. But hey if you don’t care that’s fine 🤷♂️. And you say there’s more to the device than streaming? Please explain what more does the device do than stream from ps5. I am waiting
This is the review I wished I made ❤. So many great points. It is a pizza cutter, but it cuts pizzas better than any other solution. Also when I have it in my hands, I feel like I’m playing my PS5, just closer to the screen. I’m literally holding a dual sense as if I was playing the console. Disappointed for lack of BT and WiFi 6, but still a great accessory at a great price !
You can connect ps5 controller to your phone though. Which what I use. There is an accessory that attach to the controller and make it hold your phone. So again don’t get what’s this device is for.
In my perfect world.. there is a Portal generation with every PS generation going forward. I goofed on this thing as much as anyone before going full Benedict and purchasing one for myself 😂
It'll never stop leaving me dumbfounded just how successfully Sony's been at gaslighting millions of people into thinking this is actually a good product thats worth the sand and silicon its built out of. It genuinely baffles me, but then again I'm not the one casually shelling out 200 bucks on something with the same functionality I can get from my own Steam Deck, or even my phone with a controller and phone clip. To any Portal owners, you can be mad at me for pointing out the obvious, but in return I'll just feel pity for you. For goodness sake, demand better from the companies you throw your money to.
Pity one is you that your time is not as previous as the portal owners. Instead of you shitting your pant when setting up your remote play and whatever phone on clip on controller and manually turn on ps5 and go through 10 steps in total on order to start playing ps5 games, portal players already playing while shitting in toilet
I feel for enthusiast like us, this device is a mute point. We already have handhelds that can stream PlayStation games. BUT the damning part for me is you can buy a device and setup remote play and have a better experience then this and it'll do more then this. It was doa in my book, but i can understand the appeal for some. However that doesn't mean i dont feel their ripping themselves off though.
It doesn’t seem to perform any better than what you might be able to configure in another device. But the screen size and controls is what pulls the experience together for the people that like it. For me I’m a handheld enthusiast and talked myself out of preordering for similar reasons and I thought they would be easily available given all the hate. But when I was ready to preorder one, I was shocked to see they were selling out
@@MithosDagonfrom my understanding it's scalpers again, I agree the larger screen is nice and eh on the performs as well. You can crank the bandwidth it uses on a handheld with chiaki. While on the portal your stuck with the Mbps they set.
The Portal would have been great if it would have done the one thing it’s purposed for, outstandingly. But without a proprietary connection like how the Wii U gamepad was tethered to the console flawlessly (yes, in the same room but still), this thing is unpredictable in terms of performance and image streaming quality and since it does not do anything else, 200 dollars is a hard sell imho.
Honestly, it's unbeliveably disappointing they didn't do anything regarding its connectivity to your PS5. It's literally the same as using any other device. That's why I won't buy it in the end. EDIT: the pizza cutter analogy is amazing hahah
Hi Rich! Commenting on a random video as requested. My condolences for your loss. I lost my mom unexpectedly last year and it was rough. I love your perspective on the Nerd Nest and hope you'll be back soon!
Digital Foundry compared it. Wii U is near instant latency because Nintendo worked with Broadcom to make a specific wireless chip for their explicit use cause. Sony is using "off the shelf" wifi and their remote play protocol. So it doesn't do anything special in terms of combating latency that any other Remote Play app wouldn't already be doing.
I didn't do any tests (but Digital Foundry did!) The best I can say is that when I use the Portal, I can tell I'm streaming. When I use the Wii U, I can't tell I'm streaming.
Can play comfortably on a Quest 3 from anywhere with internet, on any size screen, with spatial audio, immersive, while not having to look down for hours at your hands. Yes, the Portal is a portable JOKE.
@fantasytky28 of course it's not comfortable with the stock strap but I have a Binbok strap that is counter balanced with the swappable batteries, I've played for hours on Quest 3 and nearly forgot I was wearing. Let's see how yall necks feel looking down at your hands all day 😅
If you have a WiFi 5 router, you already have at least 1200 Mbps on the 5 GHz acess point. It doesn't cost much to get a WiFi 6 router capable of 2400 or even 4800 Mbps on the 5 GHz access point.
I couldn't do 2 minutes, let alone 11 minutes of a man inflating his video length for ads to mention pizza cutters 50 times within the first 60 seconds.
I found that when compared to my smartphone using a Kishi or my Steam Deck the Portal just couldn't get the same level of stable signal over WiFi or 5G.
I use an ulu knife for cutting pizza and it works just as well, if not better than a pizza cutter, is easier to sharpen, and works well for cutting other things.
It's no joke... It's an insult. You can have a place in your house hold for a paper weight... but should you is the question. You slightly repeat your self with pizza cutters to justify.
If I am not mistaken, can't you direct connect to the PS5 (i.e., without using a Router) from your phone for Remote Play? I used my Vita a lot for PS4 Remote Play and you were able to direct connect to the PS4. So at the very least they're stepping backwards from their previous Gen
It's weird how many people are complaining about the headphones. Just grab a pair of wired ones from the tech junk drawer in your kitchen 😂 Or if someone is that pressed, grab a USB-C Bluetooth adapter and stop crying about not being able to use those precious Bluetooth earbuds (and be honest, you keep losing one of them anyway). And either option is cheaper than the $200 Sony buds. One less thing to complain about.
I mean, for people that haven't heard about the dozens of android handhelds that do the same (or better) than the portal while stil playing emulators and native Android games.. maybe the Portal is for them ?
So, for the full experience, you basically need to pay 400.- . The only pros I see is weight and having a "build in" DualSense controller. No Wifi 6, no BT (what annoys me the most), no OLED, no cloud streaming, bad speakers, ok battery life, no webbrowser (accessing public Wifi is basically impossible), ... I watched a few reviews by now and I really wanted to like this device, but I can't imagine someone choosing the Portal over a Steam Deck. I'd even say pay a little extra and get the new Steam Deck OLED, put on Chiaki and you get so much more for your money. I'm using Chiaki on my lcd Steam Deck with a pair of Razor Hammerheads in gaming mode and it works perfectly.
Your end remarks is exactly what I thought too, like i'm quite baffled why Sony didn't include a bimodal mode from the get go where it connects directly to the console thru WPS and when its far from range thats where it resorts to WiFi, still I hope they do this on a software update cause the soc in the portal can literally handle these stuff, hell why not include the option to play PlayStation Plus as well cause they basically have a cloud streaming service in that way more people can buy this as a standalone device to play the wide ps library without owning a playstation console, the extra mile to do all this provides more value to the product.
Nice pizza cutter analogy. 60hz is pretty common for consoles right? That sounds about right for such a thing then, or does that only hold for okd consoles? :o
With this being a niche device, I wish it at the very least had more features to accommodate niche use cases Like imagine if you could play games directly off PS Plus Premium, and if it had a way to have a sim card or something like they did with the vita (but with a much more robust connection) so you could actually stream from PS5 or PS+ on the go It would absolutely be a niche feature, but this is already a very niche device. Even if they sold a wifi version for 200 and a 5G version for 300, I think that would make it more attractive to the small market this targets
@@FanTheDeck I apologize then. I'm just so used to not being able to tell when anything is an ad anymore. If anything you responding to me shows you're probably genuine. I apologize for jumping to conclusions and I think you earned a new subscriber
That genuinely means a lot. I'm glad we had the conversation even though YT comments is not usually the way to have a productive conversation. Now that you put it that way, I absolutely understand where you're coming from. I want to have a larger conversation on this channel about reviews vs sponsorships, etc but I do think it can be confusing. In any case, thanks again for discussing it with me.
Fair review, I'd only consider getting this on a sale however, I have a kid on the way and a library of games I've yet to play so there will defo be a case scenario for this eventually, but not for £200. I do need to try using my steam deck for remote play though since i do have that but im increasingly just waiting for games that are ps exclusive to come to PC now so it does make thia device an even harder sell for the mean time
I tried remote playing Steam games with my phone attached to a Xbox one controller.. it was to small for my taste text was barely readable. I have a Steam deck OLED now and stream more demanding games from my PC to it and love it. I think the PS portable is a good thing for people that don't have a steamdeck or similar device.
Yeah I mean - that's the thing - if you're happy with streaming to your phone then there is absolutely no reason for a PS Portal. My PS5 backlog was languishing. I beat 13 Sentinels and R&C on my phone but stopped using my phone around the time Returnal came out. I'm a lot more content having a dedicated device that has uncompromising controls and a bigger screen than my phone. That is _not_ going to be the same for everyone and I hope I made that 1000% clear in this video.
Great review as always. However the portal isn’t a “pizza cutter,” any device that does remote play is the pizza cutter. The porter is just one type of pizza cutter. And not a very successfully designed one IMHO.
@@JDabz96and while you need to manually go outside of room to turn on ps5 and play on steamdeck, portal players already one key startup ps5 and started playing while doing these all when lying on bed. Sure your deck can do way more BUT CAN IT TURN ON PS5 to play ps5 games without u manually turn on ps5? Nope and periods
I don't like the idea of paying 200$ extra for an accessory to a 500$ console that already has another 550$ accessory, especially when the console feels like it doesn't have enough games to draw me in anyways.
The pizza cutter was relatively a fair attempt at making a comparison. Here's me playing devil's advocate, some people are willing to pay $100 for a backbone or play on their tablet with a controller. A new ps5 controller is $74.99, A cheap solid 8inch tablet is anywhere from $69.99 to $89.99. You get both for a $200, so your paying an extra 35-51 dollars for a easy to use, solid sized, combination of the two for remote play. I get it the psp and vita could remote play was more versatile in the fact it could download games, stream games, movies, had it's own web browser etc.. The thing most forget it was also one of the most jailbroke sony devices and ALOT of people pirated games because of it. People want the portal to have the same versatility but why would sony go thru that again? If you were making the same decisions would you make the same mistake again? The psp launched in 2005 at $249, with avg yearly 2.56% inflation rate since then the same device would cost $392.27. Roughly the psp that had a 4.3 size screen and resolution of 480 x 272 would be basically $400. Realistically there's a good possibility you would be looking at a slightly higher price with the screen being close to double the size of the psp and resolution output at 1080p .. The biggest question to all you want them to make psp 4.0 is are really sure you want this? This price range would put the device around the same price range as a switch(Switch 2 releases next year) and a steam deck The question to Sony is would they really want to be competing against both of them? I'm really a betting man but that's probably a fight they knew they would lose just to appease to consumers.. They've been there basically before and lost to the Nintendo ds. You are never going to appease to all your consumers so why now make something simple and reasonably priced that you can add updates to when you work out more of issues. I honestly agree with most and would like this to be better psp( I still have mine but like my backbone hate the small screen) but I also understand why they chose to go this route. At the end of the day the saying remains true " Be careful what you ask for " i'll probably get the PS Portal but I damn sure wouldn't get it at $400 price range even if it could do everything the original PSP could do. I'd probably still use my Samsung 8 tab plus until the price dropped.
Woosh. Where can you find a tablet with a DualSense pad built in that has official PlayStation Remote Play support that connects to your PS5 with a single button press? You've missed the point entirely.
I love Sony and I love their consoles; and I find their controllers particularly comfortable to use. So I say this knowing what I know about Sony's history and Sony is pulling proprietary audio stuff again-like what they did with Memory Stick and their Mini DV camcorders; and Memory Stick and Atrac3 for the Network Walkman. Unfortunately I don't think that they have a good enough of a value proposition with those earbuds to make the artificial limitation get folks to buy in-unless folks have thrown away all of their 3.5mm headphones they'll probably opt for wired earbuds/headphones (you can buy some pretty good ones for less than the $200 price of the Pulse Explore earbuds) or just deal with using the speakers.
That's a good worry to have and will definitely be a problem. I guess if you are rich, you can just buy a new one every time. Sony is basically unintentionally telling us to not be a broke boy.
7:09 When he exits the menu, you can clearly see that there is a delay of about 133 milliseconds (i.e. 8 frames in 60p or 4 frames in 30p) between the TV and the portal screen (on top of the controller-to-TV latency inherent to the game and TV). Good luck in Returnal's Tower of Sisyphus with that 133 ms additional input latency! 💀😂
@@mmstick I don't think the game would (or can) add an extra delay between TV and Portal just in the game's pause menu (that doesn't make any technical sense, sorry). However, the delay/latency does seem quite variable (which is unsurprising, given that wireless network conditions can always change from one moment to another), and later in this video that delay does go down. E.g. by 7:14, it's down to 3 frames, and by 7:21, it's 2 frames of this 30 fps (480p) video, i.e. about 100 ms and 66 ms, respectively. (Double the frames at higher video qualities, which are 60 fps.) You can check the delay yourself on YT desktop using the next/previous frame keyboard shortcut (dot/comma), at moments where both TV screen and Portal are visible, comparing the two screens when something (ideally bright, e.g. the red sword) appears or disappears somewhere specific on the screen. FWIW, in my testing of Remote Play on an iPad, the delay between the TV and iPad also varied quite a bit, and was usually between 40 and 80 ms (with PS5 wired to the router). Sadly, the Portal doesn't seem to improve at all on the inherent latency of Remote Play, based on this video and other reviews.
Asking for 199.99 for this is a steep ask. I like the product and I see a niche market for it but the price... the price needs to be MUCH cheaper. If this thing did anything else OTHER than stream for that price then MAYBE I would consider it. That and if there's added benefits to the streaming technology b/c at this point, what's the point? I can stream this to my mini pc or to my steam deck
It’s so refreshing to see a review that is fair and reviews the tech for what it is, especially when the focus of their channel is another handheld. Like you said, and Russ said at RetroCorps, this thing is not a “handheld”. It’s an accessory. I know I’ll catch shit for saying it, but I got my Portal and Oled SD within a week of each other, and I’ve played the Portal 10x as much as the Oled SD. But that’s only truly because I’m waiting on the Windows drivers to come out for the Oled because I’m a Destiny addict. So until those arrive, I’m playing the Portal more because all the games I’m halfway through on are on PS5 and I don’t want to start over on them on Steam Deck. Now if all these games had cross platform saves, I might not have bought the Portal and would just pick up my progress on the Steam Deck. But I sincerely love the Portal for what it is. And your criticisms of it are valid. No Wifi 6, No direct connection to the PS5, sub par speakers and no web browser login for public spaces are definitely problems with the device. Hopefully a lot of those issues get resolved with software or firmware updates. Also, if this thing gets online streaming for PS Plus Premium members and can stream media like Netflix, without needing the base console, then the value of this device goes way up. Great review, Rich! 🤘
This isn't fair. It's overly generous for what is obviously a useless product that performs worse than what the hardware you're typing on can already do for cheaper. Literally
