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Day pass pricing did its job, they dont expect it to sell. See how the conversation went from "$10 for this and that" to "$4 for this is absurd when you can get a whole month for $10, much better deal, blah blah"

If it was $4 for 1 week it would make more sense.

Just bill people a certain amount per minute. Collect once per month or when the total reaches a minimum threshold. Like the old phone service.

Regarding day pass pricing: t's called "decoy effect" in behavioral economics. Some items exist @ unattractive prices to make the item they ACTUALLY want You to buy more attractive.

The problem with $1 is there's a minimum charge on all transactions, and the cost of a $1 trial is basically no profit. $4 is basically a profit point for transactions. 100%, it should be "Pay $4 now, upgrade to the full month for $6 more", but we know it isn't going to be a thing because business majors don't think like that.

3:29 Wow, that sounds.....twobad.....if that actually happens of course.

So I wanna give an alternate take on this. I had a similar reaction and then think I understand where they're going. Consider Asia and how big PC Cafes are. You pay about 5ish dollars and then a drink cost and play for from an hour to a day. So comparing that this gives you access to most games now for a full day. They seem to be going for a Virtual PC Cafe. I don't think it's meant to be for people who game often and a lot. It's meant for people who work and school the entire week and then have a single Saturday and tell their friends let's game. Or the friend that doesn't game nor need the specs but is invited. Realistically a month no matter the value isn't worth it for them and it needs to be less efficient than the full plan for the cost since they don't have a guaranteed monthly income. On top of this, it benefits super busy people who let's say even with a month have two days of play so realistically they get the value in their day off. Alternatively a Streamer wanting to do a speed run can binge hard. It's not meant for hard core gamers but people who game every so often. You can't use the ad version in a stream as it has a queue but if you really only need it for a specific day or event and can't run the game it's a life send. I've seen a lot more cases off people picking a day and speed running an entire Genshin Event or Overwatch day and playing 6h of it with a low spec computer without needing two. So basically I think the trial branding was a bad thing. This is a completely new offering and is cool for those who need it. I know plenty this would be good for and it saves them money overall if they play games once a month and don't need a gaming PC.

Please have the lab do a piece on AMD ROCm for AI workloads. Compared to Nvidia obviously

I think a Floatplane trial would be reasonable if it limited downloads to only a few (just so you can try it out and make sure it works without having someone abuse it). Also if you don't have free trials, maybe have a way for the creators to have a couple "free preview" videos so people can get the gist and see if they like it (I mean they can kinda do that separately on RU-vid, but I think having a way to try out Floatplane itself would be beneficial).

took luke a MINUTE to get what linus was talking about 💀

can't believe youtube decided to recommend the twomad rig video 💀

I bet they were worried if it was cheaper that people would us it as a “I have 2 days a month on average to game, paying $2 twice a month is much cheaper than $10 a month”

it's probably there to make the lower tear month look like a better option in comparison. Why would you choose the day pass? you wouldn't if double the cost you get a month. see it make the month plans look better.

It's so people see the month sub as just being a few $ more and they'll just get the more expensive one, it's just like companies do with food ect, a multi pack is only a few .$ more then people are more likely to spend the extra

still using a 750TI. til it breaks dont care. cant afford a newer one anyway lol

HOLD ON at 1:40 variable refresh rates are part of the spec - Nvidia isn't just locking people out because of any sort of tech reason, they are actually not adhering to the spec

It might just be a pricing thing? Like to encourage people to just go "eh what the hell" and subscribe to the full, recurring subscription? Kinda like the "large menu upgrade" thing in fast food chains

I got the ultimate pass, playing Fortnite Mobile 4k 😂 (Also, playing Cyberpunk, State of decay 2 & will play World war z soon ) All in MAX graphics. Btw, Sometimes in Fortnite I think I get an RTX 4090 which is cool!

$4 /day is $400 if you do 100 days out of 365 in a year......thats fuckin WILD!

Honestly, I’ve been a GFN subscriber for 4 years but I think that Shadow is better value. I know, the GPU is not a 4080 and the price and bla-bla-bla But in the end; I can run AI models, play ANY games etc… Once GTA is available on PC I’ll be able to play it on my shadow but not on my GFN…

1:25 when I attach my joycons onto my switch

THE TWOMAD JOKE WAS WILD

I just got a 7800xt to replace my 2070 and couldn’t be happier. Nvidia has been dropping the ball.

OH NO THE BOTS

pretty weird that in south america, a day pass costs almost $5, a "priority" month costs about $12 (with a 40 hour per month without queues, after which queues get absurdely high, at around 200 ppl, also, 5 hour sessions), then there's pro at $20 (80 hours per month, 6 hour sessions) and ultimate at $40 (160 hours per month, 7 hour sessions), there's no extra perks for the pro and ultimate plans like 120 fps or 4k, and you'll find yourself using a 1060 quite often in all plans, the best card i ever found myself using is a 2070, and even that is quite rare to happen let's not even talk about bitrate dips, weird slowdowns, frequent outages and absent support team, and the fact that there's only one server in uruguay, meaning unless you are in uruguay, chile, argentina or around the south of brazil you will get 60+ ms latency also, they get away with their poor service due to lack of competition, guess abya was the cheaper of the offerings nvidia had to host their service in SA

Here is something to consider. There are people who already have a decent rig and only need something extreme once in a blue moon. They can already do their "normal" stuff on their own setup, so the need for the service would be for very short duration and rather infrequent. About 6 years ago, I upgraded to an overkill rig for *one* game. Ever since then, there have not been a single other game that I cared about that would demand that. This is because I'm primarily a strategy, tactic, card and board game player. Most of those are either really light or more CPU heavy, nothing really demands much from the GPU and my previous rig handles them perfectly fine. It's the RPGs that really demands a good GPU and that was the only one I played in recent years. Given that, a short term rental could very well suffice--you only need a day or two to binge a game(it is a single player game, not MMO). It's kind of like renting a van/truck to move when you have a normal car for daily use. You really only need it that much even if daily rate is the worst. P.S. To be honest, I'm not much of a binger and likes to fully explore, so the game did take me a while to finish. But I'm fairly sure that it is possible to do the binge in a day or two if you really wanted to. And it's not like the game is unplayable on the previous rig, so I could do most of the stuff on that and then just "upgrade" to replay the most beautiful/dramatic moments or something.

People will buy the one day for $4 for the same reason people are willing to pay $1.50 for a pint of milk when a gallon is $5. If you're away from home and only need it for one day, you're not going to pay $10 for a month to game with the boys on raid night when you have a pc at home, you're going to pay $4 for a one time use on your cheap laptop.

There is an afk thing on geforce, I believe it kicks you after 10 minutes or 20 minutes of inactivity.

I bought an RTX 2070 Super and while I keep getting mad at game devs for not optimising texture vram usage (COD had 4k textures for the grass billboards for example, utterly insane), it still holds up to raw Vertex/Polygon pushing against its betters. Yes the RTX features are lacking because it's a weaker version but I generally dont want to play my games as if they have a vaseline smear on them for a few extra FPS, also the fact that the only game I've played that implements DLSS properly is Satisfactory which actually lets you tweak the scaling values, the quality and so on rather than just giving me an option for "Quality level". But as soon as the raw performance starts to feel bad, I'll be moving to AMD, I'm done with NVIDIA.

I think the model of gives us your CC and we hope you forget you subbed is predatory and should be illegal. I forgot to cancel my adobe 14 day trial and they instantly subbed me for an annual subscription. Then when I tried to cancel they charged me 50% of the remaining ANNUAL sub. I wish I could report them because that is the most anti-consumer thing ever, I will never use adobe again and I hope they lose their customers. This behaviour only hurts brands

People truly don't care about Ray Tracing, is just that there are many "stigmatas" that are running around GPUs, like "You need NVENC to stream in better quality", "There are more games supporting DLSS than FSR", etc.

Variable refresh rate on a Mac is pretty simple: Apple specifically implemented it for video (to avoid stutter) and mp4/mkv support none fixed refresh rates since: ever. But even if it wasn’t. You can just create a 3d context, render the video to it and sync it whenever a new frame arrives. This should also work on AMD and old NVIDIA GPUs though.

A flaotplane trial could be limited to the number of videos you can watch, as well as not being able to download videos, and maybe even adding a watch limit per hour, which to let you watch the whole video but only afterwards start the cooldown until you can watch the next video, if the watch limit was reached. For example, if you watched a 6 hours video wand the cool down is 4 times the watch time, then after watching it you get 24 hours of cooldown, and each 5-10 minutes you update everyone's cooldown to be reduced by those 5-10 minutes between each update. Though you could have the periods of time larger than 1 hour be updated every hour, to reduce the amount of processing power used for updating values. So that means one loop reducing the cooldown by 5-10 minutes, and another loop which to reduce the cooldown by 1 hour but only if that is the first run of the cronjob (repetitive periodical task) for that hour.

Nvidia sees a future of virtual arcades handing out 4 dollar bracelets to play for the day. Someday we'll have to wear our biometric VR gear, and swipe our virtual card at the door to enter "Geforce Life."

“Why would anyone in their right mind pay 40% of the price of an entire month for one day” Car Rentals, Hotels…this is pretty common.

Honestly I could see someone just paying the 4 dollars and seeing if the service works for them as like if latency is bad for them, seeing if the can handle it on their end or if the service is just not as great as it's made up to be

I think the point of the 4$ one day pass is for people that urgently need a way to play their games. It isn't a way to get customers.

If you buy a pricey graphic card it better be able to do RTX and DLSS.

Glad I picked up 7800xt instead of 4070🙃

when i last looked at prices, at least for my country, AMD GPUs are expensive, more so than Nvidia GPUs, i already pay like a 20% premium for computer hardware, AMD GPUs is more than that. There is also efficiency which does matter.

Honestly, as somebody who doesn't know much about hardware beyond LMG videos, NVIDIA just having an easy to understand naming scheme puts it out ahead of AMD. As a noob, I know that a 3070 will perform better than a 3060, and I know that a 4070 is the newer version of the 3070. Please AMD, fix you naming scheme so I can tell at a glance how new and how powerful your hardware is!

People not caring about raytracing is a massive AMD-fanboy cope. They do care, everyone likes eye-candy, especially casuals. And it shows, no sane person will even consider AMD junk.

$1 or $2/day would be great to both make people try out the service, and make them come back. Also, 10 or 5 days, respectively, would suffice to cover the monthly fee. And once a player reaches this amount, Nvidia could just say "now the rest of the month is for free".

GeForce Now just quietly keeps getting better. One day soon Cloud will be on par native hardware. Some of their business practices are shit tho in typical NVIDIA fashion.

The AI frame gen is a bane on the pc world and should vanish. All this will do is, allow hardware manufacturers design underpowered products, allow software developers to use ressources and skip proper efficient programming (optimization) even further because: even 2fps is good, ai can generate frames! And you get apart from a fake experience also more induced input lag and more fragments .. Its a product that will hurt the consumers a lot in the long run. Regarding the actual topic: The pricing per day is so absurd. It really is simple: Make a subscription, calculate per day. Easy cancellation. Fixes the 'trial' pricing .. and is fair to customers. The whole idea of locking in subscriptions is horrible. Also if nvidia wants to interest people into the product, nvidias day-trial should actually be free. But this would cause a huge issue in terms of trying to make sure, the same person cannot free trial with multiple accounts etc etc. Not a simple thing at all.

The "if you don't care about xyz" must be a big deal to a bunch of people if Nvidia keeps seeling they way they do despite pricing and competitors. I'd love to know why Luke is so certain ray tracing isn't important to a lot of people- I'd guess LMG has a self sampling bias

My issue with AMDs lineup is ... that excuse everyone gives "if you dont care about RT and the AI features and DLSS and all of that its quite compelling" yeah, or you can pay basically the same price and get all of that. Even if you dont think you will use it, you might as well go for it and have it but not need it instead of risking 2 years down the line needing it but not having it. plus you get better drivers, better compatibility with software, and better efficiency.

How don't you understand that the goal of this one day-pass bs is to communicate how good of a value 20 bucks for a month is. Thats's like basic marketing psychology. Nvidia doesn't care if that a day-pass is too expensive. It actually should be expensive. Thats what they want it to be. They are just steering the customer towards what they actually want to sell. Their monthly sub.

AMD has not competed with pricing that makes sense for me to abandon Nvidia. If they brought their prices down another 100 or 200 dollars I would consider giving up Nvidia.

i had a rx580 and i had lots of driver issue, then i buy a 1060 6gb, plug and play, never touched it, only on drivers update that i just installed and forget about it.

Twomad mentioned???

I don't mean to be insensitive in any way, but I wonder if India's ~15% Linux market share has anything to do with the lack of resources thus leading to a significant portion of the population working with older devices in which Linux would perform better than Windows on.

GeForce now is a godsend for me for when I want to do some gaming on my work machine, as I refuse to carry around gaming laptop like I used to so in those instances when I want to play some World of Warships, Elite: Dangerous or Destiny 2 on the move I can. I don't really need these super plans they do however. The base one is fine for my laptop.

Well, having a 1070, I now understand why Gsync doesn't work. Starting to get real tired of nVidia's shit

Its funny that some people buy Nvidia for raytracing but because they arent paying a grand for the top end its still too much of a performance cost to leave on. Its also funny that people will even have a more positive sentiment to 3000 series for raytracing when AMD is actually pretty comfortable against even the 3090 when it comes to RT

AMD could do with a marketing campaign. A lot of people just don't realise their lineup is competitive and just get Nvidia because it's the easy option if you don't want to go down rabbit holes of research.

Geforce now is really good. I am using it since my graphics card broke. I am waiting for the 5000 series to drop before I update my gpu.

geforce now helped me alot back when i still was running a shitty setup and some games couldn't run but also, when my gpu died and i was looking for a replacement, 10$ and play for a month or go into debt

The difference is that the day pass won't auto renew month to month like the subscription would. If someone is a very very casual gamer - like I'll get on once a month or less type of thing, this could make sense for them

when you buy nvidia just because CUDA are easier to work on and easy to setup on most of Deeplearning framework :)

You’re right, nobody would pay for them, but that makes the above price look better by comparison.

Geforce now laughed at my Internet. 10 down 2 up. Beat you can get that doesn't have 200 ping

in my opinion, what nvidia is doing its like a "at home Lan cafe" service. considering you get a few hours for the same price nvidia is giving a day for, with this percpective its not that bad of a deal. if someone wants to use it once in a while, just like if people went to a Lan cafe, then this is much better for that type of costumers.

I will not be buying this anyways because I got banned for using geoforce now to play baldur's gate 3 even though I owned it

People who NEED geForce Now, only have intel integrated graphics or AMD APU

I found it weird when he said "everyone" turns off Raytracing and such. Raytracing is pretty great.

Get thiojoe on these bots

Why aren't we asking the question of why they are even changing for this. Is no one sick of being nickel and dimed???

Floatplane daypass even without download button could easily be scraped with a python script.

I don't think line is understanding the manipulation nivida is doing here with the day pass it's there so someone looks at it and goes why would I pay for that then get the longer day one and more likely chance they would forget to cancel

When game devs are so lazy / garbo and release super unoptimized games of course people are gonna use dlss / fsr and frame gen...

As there is a great GeForce Now free tier with some limitations I don't find the critics justified.

why even pay for soeting you dont own... and yes im aware of the fact that people also pay for fun on fairs and etc. where has the world gone wrong.

I mean, I would use it once just to see if GeForce now worked in my area without buying a whole month

I realized what linus was talking about at the same time as luke did LMAOOOOOO

Twomad be playing overwatch for 5 days straight 💀

I mean its a bad deal but if you arnt sure if your wifi can handle it $8 is less of a blow than $20

FSR 3 is actually pretty damn good considering.

so, if you are afk after like 5-15 min it kicks you from the session at least on priority

i love ray tracing... one of the best advancements Nvidia ever made

Who is buying a modern GPU and not looking at raytracing?

I get reflex with a 40$ p600 in a 60$ i5 8400

I cant even login on geforce now in my tablet, so dont really matter...

Wtf is with these subscription things to get access to things it's so stupid

still better then renting a game at $6 and realizing you hated it but still trash

I was not expecting a two mad reference LMAO

the day pass is for internet cafes where they will literally game for 24 hours strait. but they wont use the computer much longer then that. that is all

I'd like to ask Luke not to whisper. It's not easy to hear, and your mic isn't compensating. I still don't know if you said everyone is turning on or off ray tracing these days.

This should be the price for a week or at least 3/4 days

You Linus. YOU YOU YOU YOU are one of the responsible for RTX hype. Whenever your company chooses THE BEST!!!! It is always always Nvidia.

The issue with the NVIDIA market share is that nobody talks about AMD. Everywhere you look is just NVIDIA marketing. At best you get a footnote that AMD is competitive. Most people don’t know how well FSR works. Yes it is bit worse than DLSS, but you won’t notice the difference in the heat of the game. But all you see is how great that minor update to DLSS is. Many people also aren’t aware of ROCm, which leads to the issue that companies don’t want to adopt it. PyTorch has support for ROCm a while now and it works great. Been messing around with Stable diffusion from time to time. And if you are at a level of AI development where the speed difference between AMD and NVIDIA matters you wouldn’t be shopping for a GForce in the first place. Not to mention that ROCm is open source. So you are protected from NVIDIA shenanigans like restricting new CUDA features to RTX5000.

So this past year both me, and a lot of my homies all decided to switch to Team Red... honestly. I went from a 2070 to a RX6800xt. Spent only 300$ on the card, and I've doubled most my framerates. All my friends having somewhat similar stories. People are scared because of the "driver issues" AMD cards have... which seem to be all but gone at this point, even while Nvidia's drivers seem to get more and more unstable. It's this weird sunk cost fallacy. I think if someone could truly put the rumors of "AMD Driver bad, Nvidia driver good" to rest... and quantify the improvements that've occurred over the past 2 years, they might... very slowly gain some ground. Especially for what you get for your money in comparison (if you're not a 3D artist)

The problem with AMD GPUs is, in less developed markets they distribution is terrible. When I got my 1060 6gb I wanted an rx 580, couldn't find one to buy months after launch. Lower end 7000 series like 7600 are just now becoming available and they are honestly way more expensive than 6000's, teah they are better, but did they launch so much more expensive over there as well?

I have a Founders Priority Geforce Now which is 27.45eur/6 months so 4.58eur/month... and they release a tier which gives you a 1 day pass for the same price...

I bought a month of ultimate, the ads for the day pass got me. Can't say I'm impressed, the games I play have awful compression and quality.

The bad thing here is even though people know it's a shitty tactic because of society nowadays requiring more and more of our time on work just to earn a living to pay rent and other costs. It has a very downward spiral effect on people, just in my family alone my sister buys into downpayments so much like I told her that it would be cheaper to buy your own laptop and use that and you wouldn't have to pay monthly she's like I would barely even be able to play so why buy a laptop. And I'm like that's the same thing you're subscribed and paying monthly even though you can barely use it, atleast if you buy a laptop you can turn it off and set it aside if you're not using it and you're not paying for anything more. My nephew too since he started working, I told him it'd be better to buy your games from steam or get discs for the PS5. He has the same mentality he subscribed to the top tier PSN premium and said that he basically can't play much because of work in 3-4 months he's been playing the same game which means he's been paying around $50-70 dollars for a single game which he could have just bought for $30 dollars and he would own it. I know at the end of the day it's their money, but it's just sad to see that they think they're getting a better deal because they're getting charged a little every month.

I think nvidia trial thing is scalability. If its 1 dollar or free trial etc the NUMBER of people trying daily or in the first months would likely be higher then the amount of gpus/servers they can handle- and dont doubt gamers, even more so the younger ones, believe me a teen with lots of free time would easily go 6 hours on their trial day. But regardless of that concurrent users is a much trickier number, even if they were all playing for 2 hours.

That's exactly the hook. It's better value to subscribe for longer and more money for Nvidia for the long term. More stable income.

MacOS variable refresh rate (Adaptive Sync) can be controlled via Metal API, so its not "GPU talking to monitor" and not even a driver thing. Maybe thats why nvidia supports its on mac.

I LOVE HAVING THE ILLUSION OF CHOICE 🔥🗣️