Plus Frame Mids Were the Least of Your Problems in the Old Games 

"I'm not even gonna ban you, you can come back if you want. Just hold my nuts." LK is the goat man lmfaooo

LK is pretty consistent. He always maintained that Sol was clearly very good, but f.S pressure wasn't as bad as most said.

"this game is just fishing for a knockdown and running your shit" is a description of literally every fighting game

I agree with Obama when he says that everyone should learn an old fighting game I think it just changes how you look at balancing and matchups

I still wish when Johnny lvl 3 Mist Finer wall stuck you, you just T-posed

Saw that last Johnny clip and almost spit up my fucking sandwich like it was about to replenish Johnny's coins.

Plus frame mids. I sleep. Full screen high low: I complain. 10 frame plus mid that aggressively moves towards me: I cry.

I've never seen that Johnny I-no clip before that's hilarious

LK rants are legendary lmao

My favourite video of AvoidingThePuddle is Aris talking about Genei Jin and Third Strike. Then there's a Dudley Vs Yun match and someone asks who is he rooting for: "They're both bitches" [...] "And Dudley is no David either, everyone is a Goliath in this game". I love that Kusoge so much

*"Man, this game is just clicking heads and getting good angles"* - a new competitive FPS player

This is why it's good to play some older fighting games, it gives you perspective

i will never forgive zato players for their past crimes

This is why I respect MAHVEL fans. They’re just as big a proponent of player expression as anyone else, but they fully acknowledge and embrace all the shitty balance that comes with that instead of going all revisionist and pretending that their favorite games are perfect.

LK the people's champ. Can't believe you did sq like that again though lol

I honestly love the high character power of +R, the wild shit in that game is so fun

Sajam EVO Speedwagon explaining the Johnny DHC glitch is funny to me

people have never said 'once you knock the opponent down it doesn't matter who they are" about mortal kombat 11. the opposite complaint existed on defense for that game, which got me confused because it was my first game and then I expanded out to the fgc and was like, ah I know what would make these people happy. (it did not make these people happy)

People will always hate mid-dispensers more because it feels like it takes your ability to play. Even with the crazy offense that Melty has, the most hated character was Honest Mids Michael.

Ladies and gentlemen, wallsplat is not a GGST original mechanic. The evidence is right there.

Calling fighting games cooking simulators has aged like fine wine

You've got it pretty good when all you have to complain about is a little frame advantage.

Watching Kid Viper play literally anything is so insane. He and a jp player named Kaqn inspired me to get good at Blazblie starting at the release of Calamity Trigger

is it bad i still want S tier lowain just to see the type of chaos that would ensue

You say that like those clips aren't exactly why I'd want Johny in strive. Ofc, they'll take out the unblockable. Probably.

That mistfiner broke the Xrd wall... damn, ya hate to see it

Why does Johnny have the wall splat combos from Strive?

Rev 1 Johnny was glitched to in the beginning to I think.

The FGC never changes.

Well japanese players don't PUBLICLY complain as much according to jiyuna. The way he showed it there a bit more private about it i guess. Obviously not always just in comparison, but i dont know i dont live there or speak japanese.

I still get flashbacks of Cyrax from mk9. that was some real crazy shit

RU-vid recommended me this after John boy came out. Thanks for the reminder.

People only parrot the "It's ok because it's hard" statement cause they heard some FGC boomers who hate new games say that while they performed infinites and instant-stun combos. People absolutely refuse to look at the risk vs reward at play. What happens if an MvC or Fist of the North Star infinite gets dropped? 9 times out of 10 the only thing that happens is the person returns to neutral or gets another mix-up opportunity. Same goes for Zato in +R. If that oki gets blocked the opponent still has to guess for game like 2-3 more times and then the opponent can actually do something. That is the definition of not making it ok. If it was an insanely hard setup or infinite and the risk was that dropping it meant wasting a ton of resources or getting punished then it might be ok. But the risk reward just isn't fucking there

Here's Johnny!

Sol being a mid spammer and people getting really mad over it is why I really want HOS in strive Fuck it, bring in testament and zappa too. Let people know true pain

I remember being a kid and i was around all the ogs in my fgc and they didn't let me play because it was too hard. They let me played once and go destroyed. Literally traumatized me where i didn't like any anime fighter now that's all i wanna play lol crazy how that was almost 20 years ago.

Meanwhile in skullgirls “here is a low throw standing over head instant overhead character”

Dang only 57 views when I got here? Man he's early

Damn, who would have thought I could get mad at games I don't understand.

LOL THAT JOHNNY SHIT IS ABSURD

Damn he's right.

Tell me Johnny doesn't have mad Poochie energy.

Where is that Ogawa Eddie clip from

Do you know any resources for me to learn to play stick? I dont even think I hold it properly and dont know any players with hand cam

lmao in melty just always assume shit is plus like i play f-roa I just get to hit buttons on block and be plus my lows? plus overheads? maybe not plus but probably safe

Can’t you backdash the johny unblockable with correct timing? I know for a fact backdashing works on the elphelt unblockable.

5:52 69 on the clock it was the will of the gods

Hey let people get mad at mids, it's funny to have people mald at my 6H and ex puffball in +R

Johnny is so fucking cool

i love johnny and elphelt and because they are fucked up i just love myself some fucked up characters i dont care if you do it to me cuz i know someone did it to you and that makes me laugh and forget any anger i might have

Xrd is some shit and I love it

Back here to celebrate the return of our Perfect Degeneracy

Mmmmmm Johnny

if only johnny didn't exist...

Why do fighting game streamers put their mics up against their sticks

I don't understand the mindset in that tweet. That's what fighting games are. If I don't get to run some kind of messed up 4 way mixup that loops into itself why even play. I can't imagine anything more boring than an "honest" game where you can literally only land a hit if your opponent screws up and gives it to you. "reads" lmao give me grime all day compared to that trash.

Surprised to see my Xrd Johnny clip make it in, don't put him in Strive tho

The context is the cherry on top; IIRC GGVS still doesn't have rollback and these people are getting mad at ingame mechanics. Homie, you "shouldn't" even be spending your time on a game with subpar fundamental infrastructure. Life is too short for that ish! With that said, lemme get outta this comment section and do something meaningful. From the future, Granblue is getting rollback and cross play :D

What's DHC glitch? It means you can do a combo into another combo with a super but that combo is not landing any combo but when he knockdown it's still a combo, you understand? But seriously, it's a matter of perspective. Personally I find that stupid unbalanced stuff in older games that largely is the result of a lack of polish tends to be more charming than what is is now where it's basically only the natural result of a character in a fairly balanced game having a couple moves that shift the flow way in their favor. Especially if they're tied to just pressing one button which means any gorilla can do it as opposed to hard stuff which at least requires a trained gorilla. I wouldn't want to go back to the old ways as the norm but I would say that there is a space in the genre for weird kusoge where they just throw their ideas at the wall without thinking about balance and not doing extensive bug testing to be made even in the modern market. People seem to want it.

I think one of the reasons people get so mad about the mids from sol and not as mad at the crap from the other games is the difference in power level. Like yes, zato could do that crazy instakill set up, but he was in the same game as monsters like Zappa, testament, and Faust who all were crazy strong. In strive the power level is so much lower so seeing sol get to do what he does (in my opinion it's the damage that's the most frustrating part of it) and noone else is on the same level really aggravates people.

What a old man

Xrd Johnny was so fucked up

We just gonna gloss over the vocals at 5:25 ?

Just remember pre-patch Sol had one of the most broken mids in fighting game history and didn’t win a single evo.

Lol

why you gotta do sonicfox like that smh

This is a cope and a half right here lol

unblockables are cringe.

LordKnight is a milia player right? The character who usually gets free damage on Oki because 9/10 times people can't be bothered to block the mixup even at the highest level. But yeah, Melty Blood has so many crazy things that it's funny that people were like "but sol + frames" lol. (Actually Sol was fine and fun to play against. Axl and Ram....not so much.

mid dispensers infinitely get their turns back is my issue. they just be pressing shit and i have to play 4d chess and read their offense pattern and look for the one move that my character's fastest shitty 6 frame move can beat because i dont play sol and cant just mash a 3 frame kick in block stun and instantly punish any gaps

Sonic salty because he got mollywhopped by "eurotrash". He's such a joke of a person

Johnny in xrd was fucked up therefore Sol f.S in strive is ok. Good argument Sajam

Saying fucked up shit is okay because it's gated by execution is a take written by someone who doesn't know a IIDX player. Those people are out there hitting hundreds of frame-perfect inputs in a row and you're telling me it's okay to have some fucked up unblockable or whatever "cause it's hard"?

the hilarious thing about lk's rant about getting opened by mids is he will have a legit meltdown on stream when talking about elphelt's shotgun pressure, oops

2D fighters feel terrible when it comes to powerful tools because every game has like 3 tools per character, so you see those 4000 times a day, 2D games suffer from 1D options still to this day, some break the mould but most anime fighter you got like 10 moves, good luck not growing to hate some of them