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Art of Manliness
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Seven years ago, my guest today published what has become an underground cult classic on masculinity. His name is Jack Donovan and that book was The Way of Men. I had him on the podcast a few years ago to discuss it - check it out if you haven’t listened to it. In The Way of Men, Donovan argued that for men to really live what he calls the “tactical virtues” of masculinity, they needed to join an all-male honor group, or what he calls a gang or tribe. In his latest book, Becoming a Barbarian, Donovan lays out what creating these honor groups would look like. On today’s show, Jack and I discuss why masculinity is often tragic, why today’s modern world makes it hard for men to form male honor groups, the difference between a club and a tribe, and what it means to start the world.
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Комментарии : 51   
@robertlehnert4148
@robertlehnert4148 4 года назад
Friends help friends move. Real friends help friends move bodies.
@handsforwarrodneymorgan2616
@handsforwarrodneymorgan2616 2 года назад
The first tribe you should be loyal to is your family. Way before you start trying to build one from strangers.
@mhill88ify
@mhill88ify 2 года назад
Depends on your family...ideally and typically yeah, but not always.
@practicallyascientist9971
@practicallyascientist9971 2 года назад
@@mhill88ify you give up on everyone but family. Even if they were toxic as shit. You keep your distance but you show up and be genuine and good-willed. Try and fix and if it doesn’t work save yourself but don’t ever completely out your family.
@jusme8060
@jusme8060 2 года назад
@@practicallyascientist9971 I don't think you understand some people's families. Sometimes you gotta act like you never knew them at all.
@Lord_Humungus
@Lord_Humungus 2 года назад
My family are cult freaks
@practicallyascientist9971
@practicallyascientist9971 2 года назад
@@jusme8060 fair enough but in my defense and knowledge of my father’s past and problems i strategize my way into shielding myself from them while still keeping something. If not for him then for my siblings and for the knowledge that deep down he does love me but he just can’t help be any other than he is.
@zavdoreJrCapital
@zavdoreJrCapital 4 года назад
Is this channel demonitized? Should be getting way more views
@arthurclarke983
@arthurclarke983 4 года назад
Am enjoying this discussion tremendously. The segment on Facebook; people emoting on command; and wasting our finite energy on matters we can't impact -- all of this really struck home. Too many of us have fallen into that trap and need to reclaim our time, using it to better ourselves and our lives. As Zig Ziglar once said, "we don't need to be told, we need to be REMINDED." Thank you both for the reminder!
@williamjohnson9139
@williamjohnson9139 3 года назад
I personally rely on God, no other Man. But I agree with everything else
@monsieurlepenguin6602
@monsieurlepenguin6602 3 года назад
God made other men for you to keep company with
@trollaccount4270
@trollaccount4270 2 года назад
@Theodore Hendricks god doesnt exist lol
@thefnaffan2
@thefnaffan2 Год назад
Insightful. Makes a lot of sense, especially the part of not having male companions and always being around your gf or wife. Lot of truth to that.... I too study bjj. Actually a purple belt and love the camaraderie with the fellas.
@heavenlypath1065
@heavenlypath1065 2 года назад
Would never join a tribe or a church it's just weird having to deal with a group of people besides Friends / Family
@nor.cal.explorin
@nor.cal.explorin 4 года назад
How do you find a tribe to join? I'm sure it's not something you just google?
@Mooskislide
@Mooskislide 4 года назад
I reckon you find them through clubs and sports. You ca always ask him too
@michaelpaul721
@michaelpaul721 3 года назад
Artofmanliness Check out the TSL groups
@hirokomlm131
@hirokomlm131 Год назад
That's the million dollar question. I'd say first be 100% honest with yourself about who you are. Try the shed the fake self that you wear to get a job or not offend people. Otherwise you'll end up in a tribe of fake people. The other thing I would say is have kids. I believe children are the common denominator of all things. You'll start networking through play dates and all the social functions they have. If you don't have kids, you're just the strange guy nobody knows.
@Mr.FunCasualClashRoyaler
@Mr.FunCasualClashRoyaler 2 года назад
The “lone wolf” might be because young members of a pack with an an already existing Alpha male are requiredto leave to find new wolves to breed and creat their own packs. For example, a young male wolf obviously cant breed with its existing family unless there’s sorta 2 families/packs into one but most cases the young wolf would have to search for new females to breed , Although if another pack with females has an existing Alpha male then both fight for dominance over the pack (aka females aka breeding rights) - and dont think i would ever forget the “female alpha’s” so they’ll normally just extremely aggressive/dominant or have the high rank because of her breeding partner(alpha male) then she is the alpha female obviously, somtimes a pack c an be lead by a females too its just that mostly males are na naturally dominant were as females are generally naturally not as dominant.
@Mr.FunCasualClashRoyaler
@Mr.FunCasualClashRoyaler 2 года назад
The point is that the term “lone wolf” most times actually comes from a wolf losing its rank as the leader (alpha) by another wolf who wants to take over its pack for breeding purposes, then the old leader who lost the fight has to go away “lone wolf” or another way you can use term “lone wolf” is when young male gets kicked out of pack or wants to leave to find/search for another pack to take over to breed in the mean time his called a “lone wolf” this isn’t that complicated
@cschulzke26
@cschulzke26 4 года назад
I love Jack's books. I have bought them for friends. I was shocked to read that he is no longer in the Wolves. I respect his privacy, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't curious about what happened.
@UnknownRex
@UnknownRex 4 года назад
Seems like they started to get too political from Jack's FAQ: www.jack-donovan.com/sowilo/bio/positions/
@Roma-rusk
@Roma-rusk 3 года назад
He came out as being gay.
@cschulzke26
@cschulzke26 3 года назад
@@Roma-rusk Waggener knew he was gay before he joined the wolves. He never hid is sexuality.
@Roma-rusk
@Roma-rusk 3 года назад
@@cschulzke26 wolves of vinland not the werewolves. Sorry. I shouldve clarified
@cschulzke26
@cschulzke26 3 года назад
@@Roma-rusk Ah, no worries.
@Thenamewithoutnumbers
@Thenamewithoutnumbers Год назад
Right before 14:17 When referring to individualistic guys. They said being alone was a problem. It was also said that “one little detail” stopping individualistic people from being in a group was implied to be silly or overboard. One little thing could be values or principles or ethics or morality. Those are extremely important things and shouldn’t be glossed over or deemed unimportant due to lack of vision or foresight. Things should be put into the proper context to be thoroughly understood. 14:17
@opensource296
@opensource296 Год назад
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@cj548
@cj548 Год назад
No. The goal of man is to individuate himself from the collective consciousness
@JPBotero717
@JPBotero717 11 месяцев назад
I wish the channel would keep being active. I am not enjoying anyone podcast more than yours
@fftt9360
@fftt9360 3 года назад
Yep. Been working from home for a year.
@Full_monty
@Full_monty 4 года назад
"I can sell you your identity" Watch any Bush craft video they all dress the same
@miroslavkruzlik9023
@miroslavkruzlik9023 Год назад
You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know...
@lechanneldemysterieuxmante1807
Wait, was AOM before or after Androphilia? Just started listening. Glad I found this
@Akshay_hh
@Akshay_hh 4 года назад
I can't find that book they recommended, "fighting for life"
@UnknownRex
@UnknownRex 4 года назад
Me neither, just some other book with the same name.
@usmanzafar4751
@usmanzafar4751 3 года назад
Fighting for life by Walter J Ong
@ZennyReacts
@ZennyReacts 2 года назад
Bro clear your damn throat lol
@teleconferencing-arkadin6748
@teleconferencing-arkadin6748 4 года назад
@#DannyBoyles
@shauncasey1890
@shauncasey1890 4 года назад
First Comment!!!
@primatejames
@primatejames 3 года назад
Maybe not a tribe.maybe a cult
@Full_monty
@Full_monty 4 года назад
"I can sell you your identity" Watch any Bush craft video they all dress the same
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