Podcast: Sarah McDugal Analyzes Abuse at John MacArthur’s Church 

"Fruit is not the number of people attending your church, or baptisms in a week, but rather love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control.". Thank you for stating this clearly. It needs to be repeated again and again. Regarding this topic, and many others.

Julie and Sarah are adressing this issue with no bitterness no “feminist” atttitude, just a fierce desire for righteousness to prevail

My husband went through crack addiction and I left him The "elders" in the apostate cult I was in tried to talk me out of it but never ever addressed my husbands addiction. Never- not one time and he was an elder. We were separated for 3 years and God dealt with his addiction with ZERO help from me. We did eventually get back together but for women who are being told that their husband cant overcome serious sin unless they stick around and suffer - the people telling you that have no idea what they are talking about.

It boils my blood to hear how Christians in power are complicit in the second abuse of victims

The issue is that we are told not even to eat with a person who calls himself a believer but is behaving in such a way that is abusive.

Spot on! Forgiveness is not trust! Thank you for being vocal about this. There are so many of us who know this too well.

Happened to me at a church in Columbus Ohio. I was asked to step down from ministry. After I left him, he tried to kill his next girlfriend. They were letting him work in children's ministry. She reported him. They finally made him step down.

Thank you for addressing marital rape. I was married to a man for 11 years and was not allowed to say no, ever. I suffered mental and sexual abuse. He was controlling and violent. He was intimidating and caused me great fear and anxiety. I was so afraid if him, that I thought as long as I did whatever he wanted, then he wouldn't get angry. Well it didn't matter what I did. It was never good enough and he would be angry. And as you could probably guess, addicted to hard core porn. By the grace of God, my best friend got me and my son out of there. It's been 13 years now and I'm still healing in certain ways. I have never heard anyone address marital rape in any of the 1000's of podcasts and videos over the years. I always knew I couldn't have been the only one experiencing this.

I was a member of MacArthur's church for 5 years and secretary at his school for 7 years. It is, indeed, an abusive, misogynistic environment. MacArthur and his cronies are nothing more than hirelings with body guards. Anything Jesus would say to the Pharisees, he'd say to MacArthur and his crew. A major joke we'd share while being a part of MacArthur's circle was based on the name of his church: Grace Community. We'd laugh and say, "In this church, there's no grace, and there's no community." Please, also avoid his teachings. He said you can take the mark of the beast and go to heaven in direct violation of Scripture.

SAD REALITY: “The sheep spend their whole lives fearing the wolf, when in the end the shepherd eats them.” ~ African Proverb

WOW...I GREW UP BAPTIST and my father was a pedophile who abused us and in those years nobody talked about it nor supported helping my mother leave him. He even taught Sunday school and when we reported things to the police as adults that he was vacationing with church families with children, we were chastised by people for reporting it.

Brave. Courageous. Honest. Articulate. Brilliant. Not enough words... Thank you Sarah McDougal. Thank you Julie Roys.

I was an abuse child before my 8 th birthday. This was in the 50’s so I never told anyone. It been affect by that my whole life.

"Why do sheppards charged with protecting the sheep end up protecting the wolf".

Dang. That "curling" team picture is so spot on, I'm crying.... This was my life. My hell on earth. Hyper vigilant every single second, even while sleeping, to be ready to jump up and clear the ice before my abuser in desperate hopes that I could keep him from exploding all over me. 😢 I was exhausted when I was in it and when I finally escaped. I was so brainwashed that I truly believed I _needed_ my husbands *permission* to leave him!! I think about this now (5 years free) and I'm floored! To think I truly was in a place where I believed this! My autonomy and agency had been slowly stripped away from me, day after day, year after year, until there was almost nothing left. These stories are imperative to share so that other women DONT experience these horrors. It breaks my heart. 😢

What blows my mind is all the women who stand up for these kinds of men, this oppressive way of life, raising their sons to expect young women to put up with it and raising their daughters to be slaves. Its just disgusting. The whole ideology has created monsters of both women and men, who persecute those who speak up against sin and get free from abusers. I’m very very happy to see these programs. I pray that Christian women everywhere find freedom from abuse.

I randomly came across this today and am so glad I did. I've seen posts about John excommunicating the lady and some on FB were jumping on the MacArthur band wagon without knowing the whole story. I admonished that it would be prudent to know both sides. I'm happy I got to hear Sarah's side of that story. She is intelligent, insightful and articulate and well versed in the related scriptures. I was at Grace from 1976-1979 and on the High School Staff. I was falsely accused of something by the youngest elder and when I stated I would take it to the elder board, the HS leader admonished me to not bother as the elders would take his word over mine regardless of what I explained. I was kicked from the HS department and they demanded I not tell the kids why. It was so heartbreaking. I had a great relationship with the 250 member class and the kids really liked me and were hurt at what they thought was a kind of abandonment. Years later I discovered that at that time a group of boys were making pornographic films and using some of the girls in the class. Since the girls in the class where fond of me because I was so approachable and caring, they just assumed that I might have been involved. I was so depressed by the ordeal that I stopped attending and not one deacon or other church official ever contacted me to find out why I had disappeared. The most important thing that Grace Church needs is true GRACE. In some ways it was/is a cult.

A tidal wave is rising! YES!!! I'm so glad this is happening~ I'm not glad there are abuse survivors but this whole thing is hitting the fan~ God is exposing much sin in the Church...it's about time. ♥️🙏🏻

Yes! To everything you ladies talked about. Definitely sharing this one! Keep up the important work. Thank you for all you do to expose this evil.

In my experience well meaning Christian counselors have the angle that divorce is not an option, so they pressure the woman who is typically the one initiating counseling, to try harder, pray more and submit more... all fueling the abusers dominating, controlling and manipulative entitled sinful behaviors. God will deal with those who abuse scriptures to oppress women He created in His image.

Terrible shame that Pastor John McArthur for not showing grace and love..

In California the people are the authorities because you have the right to make a citizen's arrest when you see a crime committed according to California Penal Code 837. Also, abusers aren't born one day because that's a personality trait that's usually developed over long periods of time and it doesn't go away during short period of counseling in a Church. You don't let an abuser come back in your life because the next time around it'll be worse.

Thank you for talking about this. I, as an adult, couldn’t talk about my abuse as a child because I knew I wouldn’t believed. My “parents” attended the same church and were thought well of. They masked very well. Horrible

When I was 7/8 I was sexually abused by a teen in the church. When I was 14 I started having A LOT of mental health issues related to the abuse. I talked to the youth pastor who BLAMED ME and excused the abuser. The senior pastor excused the abusers actions.

When we defend the abusers and persecute the victims. Then we too are guilty of the crime. Birds 🐦 of a feather 🪶 flock together.

Until John MacArthur publicly apologises for and addresses this Dis-Grace, I will call that Church: "DisGrace Community Fraud" No More Excuses! PERIOD! By the way, I am a 64yr old Male Retired Military Chaplain! I was a victim of physical and sexual abuse in the Church when I was 6yrs old! My Grandmother took me from my parents and protected me from further abuse! I am part of a law suit that is being adjudicated as I type! 82,000 yes 82,000 victims of sexual abuse! Most of it happened by way of Churches that Sponsored Cub and Boy Scout Troops! Parents must be vigilant! Preditors are everywhere! Especially in Churches!

I need to tell my story - how do I get in touch with one of you ladies- I was horribly abused as a child and it continued into a church I grew up in

Abuse towards women seems to appear in many forms, and silencing women telling them they must submit to men and weaponising Scriptures has to be the worst situation.

Thank you for sharing this information. John MacArthur is a know hot head, arrogant, bad sportsman for those of us who went to LABC with him. He has a spirit and it doesn’t come from God. He has ALWAYS battled being right and too proud and arrogant to apologise for his own attitudes, aggressive physical behaviour and verbal abuse. Are people that weak they can’t speak the truth about John? THANK YOU LADIES FOR TRUTH!

Very interesting program! I have been listening to Dr. MacArthur since the nineteen eighties and not once have I ever heard him make a public confession of his own sin…..not even in his conversion testimony! I’ve heard him preach hard on sin but not once confess his own sin or failures in any public way! This is very revealing!

John MacArthur advised an abused wife to return to her abusive husband and then MacArthur in front of the entire congregation kicked her out of his Grace Community Church!

Great work, as usual. So thankful for this kind of reporting!!!

Hi Julie. I am a Moody grad and went there from 1994-98. My wife and I have been in ministry full-time now for 25 years. Thank you for standing for righteousness and God's truth. I am grateful. Odd question, the camera on this video is stellar. One of the best I've seen on a podcast. Can I ask what make and model it is? Odd question, but it makes your video so much better. Thank you.

Any man who puts his hands on a woman in a violent way, is NOT a real man of God. PERIOD! How can you claim to love God, who is invisible, and beat your wife, who you made a vow to love and cherish, who is visible? This is a disgrace to the body of Christ. When I heard of this story, it made me look at my own life. Have I been ugly to people? Have I let my pride, justify my actions? I know that I have done these things and I asked God to forgive me for those sins. Christ was always restoring the sinner when they were sorry for their sin. I pray everyone involved can find healing in our Lord Jesus Christ who judges everything with integrity and righteousness.

Its been death by a thousand cuts and the silence causes emotional harm to spouse and children 😮😮😢

Julie, I'm a 66 year old guy with 2 sons, 2 wonderful daughter-in-laws, and a 2 year old granddaughter. I use to be a follower of MacArthurs teaching, starting in 1979. But I kept studying God's word and began moving away from dispensationalism and most of all calvanism. Then about 8 or 9 years ago I heard of some behavior at GCC that kind of shocked me. And I began to ask questions of the staff. Let me add I attended GCC for awhile, about 2 years. Instead of the pastors ( of which there are 22 when I attended) showing me in the scriptures why they teach or do certain things, they all but "one" would ask me, " why do you come here if you don't like whats going on"? The 'one' pastor that seemed not to be threatened by questions told me, "yeh, MacArthur troubles me." Anyway I'm one follower of Christ that thinks MacArthur is evil. And I save that term for certain people. I give it to him because of what he's done, and the platform he has. Don't lose heart and stay close to Jesus.

I went through that with my ex-husband. I asked God to remove him, and He did. 25 years of abuse. The devil knows how to use the devil against you.

When I was a young teenager at school my class was told by my Religious Education teacher that there was indeed an unforgivable/unpardonable sin and Christians that I knew also claimed this to be the case. It was both frightening, disconcerting and depressing.

Thank you so very much for taking the time to have this talk and put it on line .

Last note - There is most certainly an unforgivable sin: "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, neither in this life nor in the life to come." It seems to me that there's hardly any soul left who seems to grasp what that means. A terrifying sign of the times.

What resources do you recommend to help parents safeguard our children(all ages) or gently explain these evils and how to avoid them?

Amen, blood in on the hands of many church leaders. Especially ones that protect child abusers or are abusers. The church has such a happy front but we should be weeping and wailing over the sins that are committed towards the most vulnerable within the church, who represent Jesus. I think the church in America will continue to decline until it makes radical changes. So thankful for brave women like Julie and Sarah coming forth and speaking the truth.

Mandatory reporting is a joke. I wish it worked, but it doesn't. I am an abuse survivor who was failed by clergy, educators, and medical personnel who didn't report. They knew--they just didn't have the courage to step up.

Yep, I was abused by a pastors son and a friends was abused by a vicar. It's totally horrendous. No one did a thing in either instances. But... The Lord knows it all!!!

Much respect, appreciation and love to you Julie and Sarah. The truth is beautiful and refreshing to hear. My mother was a Narcissist, and the predator in our house. Her father was the same, a disordered individual who maintained a facade of Christianity and being a charming person in public, but was a screaming monster behind closed doors. I grew up afraid of both of them. After being assaulted by a man I dated in 2018, I discovered Narcissism and had words for my experiences and the toxic dynamics. I saw that my sister was also a Narcissist, controlling and inflicting maximum pain by prolonged silent treatment and other passive-aggressive tactics. I read that this was abuse, and the penny resoundingly dropped. In the trauma therapist's room, where I felt safe, the memories of what my mother did to me came back in a nauseating way to my consciousness. I feel greatly for any person who has survived incest. The damage is lifelong. Eileen's precious children.....💔 (smh). Eileen is a champion of a mother⭐❤️ My father is still brainwashed by my mother who died of cancer in 2011. He holds onto the myth of having the perfect family, as though all of his self esteem was riding on it. It's so interesting to hear Sarah use the word "idolatry", because that's what it is. My Narcissist sister has done me great harm, discrediting me to people, lying about me, stalking me, ...etc, and my father supports her, won't acknowledge the abuse, demands that I "forgive her", etc, which author Lundy Bancroft says is compounding the abuse. My father is a Christian, but shows as much wisdom and good judgement as John MacArthur does in Eileen's situation. My cousins saw my sister waving her first in my face at my mother's funeral, and privately asked my father what was wrong with my sister that she'd act like that. He brushed it off like it was nothing 😳. My trauma therapist said that it's abusive, and if my sister was instead an ex-boyfriend or ex-husband, it would be more obvious to everyone, and that there's no difference. I've had to distance myself from my father, much as it grieves me to, because he's treated me in a consistently disrespectful way over such a long time now, there's no trust for me. I was groomed to be the obedient child, the doormat in the family, much as my father was the doormat of my mother. Since 2018, I've been increasingly sure that God doesn't want us to suffer abusive relationships under the misapprehension that it's a Christian duty. "Turn the other cheek" refers to being rejected by your community and family, not to being a punching bag for a Narcissist. Jesus said to pray for those who spitefully use you, and do good to those who are your enemies, but He didn't say that we have to be in close proximity to them, or to stay and put up with it when our mental health is nearly at suicidal from being ground down. Jesus also told his disciples to shake the dust off their feet when they weren't accepted and welcomed, not to stay and beg to be shown respect and love. Paul said that habitual sinners (ticks a box for Narcissism) who claim to be believers but show no fruit of it can be kept out of your life. "No Contact". Jesus' words of "by their fruit you'll know them" are such precious words of wisdom to me, and I'm glad that you mentioned them Sarah. Every point was very well made. Thank you again.❤️🇦🇺

Forgiving means wishing the person well, hoping they learn and change and lead a good life, and not holding any kind of grudge. Definitely doesn't mean reconciliation. Ideally yes, but in my case it would be silly to just jump back into marriage with my husband not knowing if he's really changed or not. I want him to really change and have that rock bottom experience or whatever it takes... enabling does nothing to accomplish that.

I'm dealing with an elder and session who are citing the Matthew 18 text to justify their sin and shame the offended parties. Absolutely ridiculous twisting of Scripture

TY, Julie, for this informative..yet heartbreaking feature. The culture that has perverted the “ grace and forgiveness” message, in many evangelical churches, has resulted in countless broken people. May God have mercy on the mothers and children!

I just found your RU-vid site looking for information about John MacArthur and that which happened at this church regarding the woman who was being abused by her husband who also molested their trial. I'm struggling as a 66-year-old man who was molested at six and a half years old and then became privy to pornography that was brought into the family home at 15 years of age, that one two punch destroyed my life and have struggled with sex addiction home my life. I'm trying so desperately to be a man of faith and God, to believe in her face in Jesus Christ, to repent and move forward but many pastors profess the Christian paradigm in such a way that is off putting to me in ways I'm trying to desperately understand. I was always taking it back by John MacArthur because I had a sense there was a rigidity as to his faith and this may be wrong but I felt a certain arrogance or condescension to others as opposed to the love of Jesus, the Bible difficult for me to contend with as an errant set of writings that collectively are divinely inspired in the word of God. Any feedback you may be able to send my way would be much appreciated. I was ask what are you views of women pastors and also how could I at this to accept Christ and move forward with faith that were connected as I also and trying to learn what I need to do from day to day besides repent and pray and yes read the Bible but it's all a work in progress. Thank you PS, do you think it's wrong for me to believe it's telling that the awkwardness I felt would John MacArthur and how he handled this woman who is abused, not to gossip or point fingers or judge but this must speak on what his theology is, my mother having been a battered woman who's husband, who dealt with his own demons so she with hers, repeatedly rapes her beat her which let her then as she ran away trying to raise four kids in the world such as it is, come allows me to understand why she picked for choices and submitted to other men who did not have her best interest in mind. The male hierarchy that's insisted upon that is backed by but is written in the Bible confused is me and puts me off also because I was raised in a matriarch family and I find men to be very aggressive in ways that are off putting to me and maybe this is what I'm picking up and resisting against. I know Jesus was unique in the midst of the time that he lives and who he accepted and ingratiated himself upon and respected women, Mary Magdalene being the first woman to have found the empty tomb and who Jesus in his resurrected body spoke to, that having to mean something; if men are so important and where the end all be all of what is supposed to be the top of that hierarchy, then why were the women the first ones to meet him when he was raised and spread the good news to the others. Sorry for the Babbling and ongoing narrative but I I'm still dealing with trauma issues and in the midst of trying to work that through through a psychologist who specializes in PTSD and sexual trauma as they're also reach out to local churches to see if there is a good fit for me new to this area right now living in Canandaigua New York

Thank you for exposing these wolves. These men have abused their authority and are the opposite of Christ. They are truly of satan. I'm also so sick of the misogynistic practice of placing the blame on women and even children for their own sins. . Men are not entitled to be tyrants.

This happened to me. I lost my children to the abuser. My church shame me God never did. Jesus walk me through 30 years without my children really and they're all come home. But what this Church it to my family and I forgive them. Because I loved the pastor's wife so much him not so much, but I have forgive him. I'm from canada Peterborough ontario And I'm in a 12 step program. Celebrate recovery

There are shepherds, then there are hirelings. When trouble comes, they run and leave the sheep.

Mrs. Roys I would like to thank you for your dedication concerning religious abuse . I just recently found out who you are , so I checked out your content and whether you're careful and honest before presenting it and so far so good and I appreciate that most of all . Take care because a whole lot of reformed hypocrites literally hate you darlin , without cause and we all know what CHRIST said about that don't we .. May GOD bless you n yours sister.

David Gray came across like a classic narcissist. Wouldn't surprise me if the GCC Elders are too. Narcissists never apologise.

Hello Julie. I too am new to this channel. I thank you and Sarah McDugal for this informative video. I'm so excited to see the work you're doing bringing this subject to the forefront particularly as it relates to the church. For many years, I've longed for the birth of a work such as this and I'm tremendously overjoyed to see it come to fruition. I eagerly await receipt of your book "Redeeming the Feminine Soul" that I learned about and purchased a few days ago. May God bless you and the work that you're so courageously embarking upon. Thank you so much for setting freedom and healing in motion for those of us who have been abused!

Keep up the great work Julie, you are making a difference to help people

Listening to both you women's passion for Christ, his church and those precious women who hv been abused by their husband's and church leaders bought tears to my eyes. I felt so emotionally choked and overwhelmed that church leaders are behaving in this shameful manner. More hurting and painful is to see how the church seems to respond to such pastors/leaders. One begins to suspect their love for Christ. Wat would Christ do if he were to physically visit these so called churches.

Thank you for bringing these things to light.

Shame on us man who fail to love and protect the way God would. God demand perfection on both party in a marriage and family context. May the Lord discipline us and put the fear in our heart that we may repent regardless of gender.

Unfortunately, I believe this is only the beginning regarding MacArthur& GCC; many more cases will come out or at the very least credible accusations.

Very excellent video. It is unfortunate that many church leaders will side with abusers and believe them instead of believing the survivors who are hurting. God Himself has said "A bruised reed, I will not break, a smouldering wick, I will not snuff out.". This represents God's character of healing those who have been hurt by abuse, but the church has failed to exercise God's character and has further hurt the abused and believed the lies of the perpetrator which is the very work of the devil himself. If you ever had to face the lies of the perpetrator and been gaslit by them, it feels like coming face to face with the devil. There are many who have not only had to feel like that from the perpetrator, but also had to feel like that from the leaders of their church who are supposed to bring healing rather than further hurt.

I’ve watched this podcast several times and by far it’s the most intelligent, biblical clarification of the marriage of a believer I’ve ever heard. I appreciate both of you so much bringing God’s Truth to a very important subject. I’ve personally gone thru so much spiritual abuse in my walk with Christ. You ladies, thru the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, have given me such a freedom in Christ now! Another point I’d like to make is what about the responsibility of the man in the marriage to love his wife as Christ loves the church! How did Christ do this?? Christ met the needs of His bride, she needed a savior from her sins and a King to serve and a kingdom to belong to. A man married to a woman is to live his life meeting her needs!!!! Has anyone EVER heard that preached/or taught to the men of the church?? And if they are not meeting her needs, be disciplined by the church!!?!! **crickets** 👀

Happened to me thirty years ago. Thank you for naming it as Spiritual abuse. Thank you.

I have lived through all of this, and it sounds to me now someone else is telling my story!

Hi Julie, this is a very good interview. I am shocked and horrified at some of the vitriol aimed at you and Eileen Gray.

Thank you for posting this!!! Excellent!

Julie, a lot to be said here. This video can be summed up by Ephesian 5:25-30. Your Guest Sarah was logical and rational engaging the mind in her exposition, like the Bereans of old. Excellent! Keep exposing the wolves, the tares, the Den of thieves!!!

Julie and Sarah, massive props for this video. Your courage is contagious. Keep it up! What an awful topic to have to cover, though, but we must expose the darkness into the light.

This came out 2 years ago and it is happening now! Some of these "untouchable men" are coming down like a house of cards

This makes me angry. This is a massive problem. This poor woman was publicly shamed, yet because the people in the church 'worship' the more than arrogant, John McCarther, they keep silent. Any genuine Christian should have taken the godly stand and left permanently, making it very clear as to why. This woman and her children should have been given total support.

Well, Allie Beth Stuckey is "warning" people about you, Julie! That's how I found you. I've followed Sarah McDugal for some time now. Thank you for what you do, for "reporting the truth and restoring the church." Repentance is needed from those ministers supporting abusers, and who continue to do so even after all the facts come out and the abuser is in prison. There are many wolves in sheep's clothing, nowadays, but it is as Jesus warned us in Matthew 24.

This is what I experienced too in the early 2000's when I went to my church for help from my abusive husband. They took his side and I was made to be the bad guy. My very life was in danger and no one would believe me. Instead they believed my narcissist husband who told everyone I was crazy.

To answer your first question Because they need to keep control

I am infuriated. This is very telling. My respect for John MacArthur is waning. Weaponizing the Word is reprehensible

We salute u Ailene. Keep up the good work. Even men are supportive of what u are doing. Above all i believe god is with u

I am new to this channel and I thank you for your continued efforts. This will be one of my most worthwhile subscriptions. Thanks!

Thankyou so much for this talk! It's healing and strengthening! 💛 And thankyou for those last words of encouragement Sarah!

Thank You! for this frank discussion!

How sad that some people commenting are referring to the "submit" verse pointing to the women only... read a little bit more carefully please: Eph 5:21: "Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ." A man should love his wife like Christ loves the church. Men will need their entire lifetimes to try to come just a tiny bit close to what Jesus did for His church, don't they... Men were made for women, and women for men. I hope people will stop taking the submit verse out of context!

Great guest..glad she took it to the the Scriptures..powerful and healing. Also, I think I remember reading in Julie's article there WAS a supportive pastor to this victim...he had performed the victims wedding ceremony ...if that's the case, thank God for him and all pastors with a true heart for God. REPENT was the last message...and that goes for all who put pastors on pedastals...may we have no other gods before HIM, the only true and Living God. Thanks again for this interview.

In Jeremiah 17, we hear how the person who puts their trust in man is cursed, but whoever puts their trust in the LORD is BLESSED. So I encourage all women to run to the Lord and do whatever He directs, not to merely run to church folk! PLEASE! Jer 17:5-8

One does not make anyone else mad; we are each responsible for our reactions, even when another does something wrong. Unless one's life is threatened, almost no one makes the other do anything. Two wrongs don't make a right. The part of Matthew 18 dealing with levels of confrontation (the first being in private) is primary for social horsepucky between real believers (not crimes).

This has been very insightful

I cannot help but feel that there is more to the story than I’m hearing- I believe that God can overcome anything. My husband was abusive and God turned things around. Now if I had children and he had beaten them I would have protected them- but I’m not a victim physically- I drew the line when the relationship started and he knew he’d be in physical harm if he hurt me- but emotionally I was very abused. He is now in diapers and I’m caring fit him at home and gaining treasures in heaven.

I was married to an emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially abusive man. IMany times I would be awakened in the morning by him having sex with me (it was NOT making love!). When I told a woman about that, she said 'oh that's so sweet...I love when my husband wakes me up that way!" She totally missed the fact that there was no love or affection involved. It was all about him and nothing at all about me. When he was done, he'd go take a shower...and I would be crying in my pillow.

I believe than abusers can be believers. The church unfortunately puts a rubber stamp on their behavior, instead of calling out their sin and making them accountable. But this does not mean the abused spouse should be required to live with, have contact with, or remain married to. In this case of extreme and horrific abuse. It's horrific that the church double abused the family.

Thank you, thank you, thank you - you brave women! God bless you, and I thank you for giving us a clear path to truth. I was stunned by these statistics, and especially by the testimonies, and I pray that your passion to see a revival of righteousness come upon the church and her leaders be fulfilled. It makes one tremble that "judgment begins in the household of God."

Thank you for this empowering video. Abusers are excellent at taking something pure and of God and twisting it for their own self-centered desires. Jesus/Yeshua will say to the false "Christians" in this "church", "I never knew you!" God bless those abused. I was sexually traumatized as a young child in Norfolk, VA (not within a church but the cleaning lady but still harmful.) Macarthur and the like uses select Bible verses as weapons to cover for their depravity. God bless this video.

Amen. God bless you Ladies. Expose the wickedness that masquerades as truth.

Well it doesn't seem very just that all that has to happen after a career of abuse is a simple, I'm sorry and all is forgiven. No justice for the victims in this bizarre christian theology. Based upon what the discussion members said about the statistics in protestant and non denominational churches of tens of thousands of actual churches and assuming x1 abuse victim per building per year, that would equate to millions of abuse victims if you start the time line in the 1950s, making this the longest on going abuse linkage in the history of American Christianity.

The abusers and their excusers are perhaps thinking with the wrong part of their anatomy.

I have been looking for women like this since 2002. My ex - who was raping my children, making them eat his feces as he ate theirs (satanic), sticking pins in their genitals, drowning them in tub while laughing (as told to me by my then 3 yr old son) - still proclaims to be an incredible Christian. The churches (Calvary, Vineyard, Bethal, Catholic (my father and his wife)), all supported and protected him while I was fighting to protect them. (The legal system is jo less corrupt) I have been shamed, slandered, shunned, stalked, hacked, kept from being able to work by hacking/stalking, and on and on for over 20 years. I lost everything trying to protect my children...including my children to the child rapist father and equally wicked stepmother. Mu children still won't associate with me because of the satanic ability of my ex to deceive and manipulate people. These church leaders are protecting the blatant wickedness while destroying families and the innocent. The church leaders protect wicked fathers while paving their path to hell. I could go on and on. (AND even though I was a stay at home mom, I was forced to pay MY EX (an IBM employee and 20 yr hacker) child support even though I didn't and couldn't get a job). She is right, all these are going to hell. If it was true repentance by any of these abusers or protects of them, would show they take ALL the wickedness they inflicted on the victims onto THEMSELVES.

Many years ago a woman was being abused by her husband in a church I was pastoring. Her husband had been convicted earlier. I went to the prosecuting attorney and she was shocked he was in the house. The attorney showed me the pictures of when the lady was abused by her husband. She was beaten so badly that it was difficult to recognize her. With the advice of others who had dealt with abuse victims I told her he needed counseling and she should leave the home. She left the home for a few months and then returned against all advice. The lady had been beaten so bad that he broke her arm just below the ball and socket joint on her arm. The church I pastored did everything along with the civil authorities to protect the lady. To our dismay it wasn't long and she went back to him. She divorced him not long afterward after she was abused again. We tried to help the lady and she eventually refused the help she was given. She actually told another pastor that I wanted her. Was I ever shocked!!

I remember reading a bit of that book they talked about and realising it was totally sinful and unbiblical, extremely disturbing that it is successful! A great one to read is finally free

I've always listened to MacArthur and have been much blessed by his teachings, but this is truly a stunning expose of the obdition of community grace church. But it shows the great accountability of church leaders. 55:31 55:34 I'll share it to fellow believers, and seek their comment. 57:54

This gal is 100% right

This sounds like the expectations of a muslim wives; however, Christian wives, most of them, are counseled right, according to the Bible with understanding that if the husband really loves his wife and walks as God wants him to walk, he will give his life for her, as Ap. Paul explains.. Some brothers don't interpret the Bible to benefit both husband and wife, but are one sided. Ap. Paul says that God called to live in peace. If there is abuse, there is no peace.

Good post. It is strange to hear this kind of advocacy being aired on any platform, and certainly on a Church-related platform. I have counselled victims of abuse for years and can verify what was asserted about the prevalence of revictimization of the victim by the establishment., whether that is a family establishment or a community establishment. Only Jesus is going to root this out of His church, and this post is a part of His movement to do that. When He moves to reform His followers community experience nothing will stop Him. Church is even now undergoing the last and greatest Reformation.

The John McArthur teachings are why Mica Miller suffered abuse and finally death. Listening to some of J. P. Miller's sermons seem taken out of McArthur's books.

When you go to court? I always believed that had to do with something akin to small claims court. I never associated with divorce or separation.