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LOL it's hilarious to see this. I'm Adrian Marin, the creator of 'Suicide Cup' (later called The Loser's Game). I'm proud to have created such a cursed metagame 😂
Well you have to consider this freezaifaggot considers random battles as competitive just off the fact it has high traffic.. when it's just a bunch of randoms and scrubs not much better than him queuing constantly rolling the dice and hoping the odds are stacked enough against their opponent to make them feel as if they've done something skillful or accomplishment worthy. Way too insecure and full of themselves to teambuild and go thru trial and error gotta just pretend being given under leveled pokemon with weird useless sets is peak competitive play...
"not only is he a moron, he's the product of the greatest minds of a generation working together explicitly to create the stupidest moron to ever exist"
This Broke: Playing Loser's Game to lose, thus winning Woke: Playing Loser's game to win, thus losing Bespoke: Ignoring the conditions of Losers game, and playing it to boost your ego or pull off combos that are too inconsistent to use otherwise, but really cool to pull off Ascended: Funbro in Loser's Game
Fun Fact: In gen 7, Skill Swap Magic Guard is actually banned because people start running offensive alakazam to kill 5 pokemon and then skill swap magic guard and the opponent literally cannot die with heal pulse support
The fact that you straight up win if you stop just 1 of your opponent's pokemon from dying is what makes this so interesting, for the tourney I was trying to see if I could make it an actual legit playstyle like steel beam and court change but it's too inconsistent. Realizing that you can intentionally faint their problematic pokemon so the final one is exploitable was a eureka moment, but it still wasn't enough.
What if the opponent had something like Mold Breaker which ignored abilities? Would Mold Breaker on the Alakazam prevent Magic Guard from forcing the opponent to live? And yes, I know they could just switch pokemon, but I'm asking if receiving an ability that ignores other abilities would override the strat if you couldn't switch pokemon for whatever reason.
@@PatrickArcato What seems to be happening is that Gamefreak makes sure to make the latest generation's main important Pokemon blatantly overpowered, so that they stand out in the generation. Sometimes they'll nerf them the next generation so that they don't overshadow the new important Pokemon (Zacian). Seems like they're trying to avoid another Reshiram/Zekrom situation?
@PatrickArcato Agreed, and the fact that the overpowered DLC 'mons from Sword & Shield didn't get nerfed is extremely concerning for where their priorities lie. (Clearly, it's money over game balance.)
@jebalitabb8228 a lot of pokemon run Tera Ice offensively in OU, the main examples being Kyurem and Weavile. UU pokemon can run them as well, for example Sandy Shocks, Mamoswine, and famously the Tera Ice Tera Blast Hydrapple Stall that was common on the OU ladder a few months ago.
Well you have to consider this freezaifaggot considers random battles as competitive just off the fact it has high traffic.. when it's just a bunch of randoms and scrubs not much better than him queuing constantly rolling the dice and hoping the odds are stacked enough against their opponent to make them feel as if they've done something skillful or accomplishment worthy. Way too insecure and full of themselves to teambuild and go thru trial and error gotta just pretend being given under leveled pokemon with weird useless sets is peak competitive play...
Tera blast on electric mons like jolt and Kilo Eleki was banned for Tera ice blast Meow,kyurem and Weavile commonly use Tera ice as well It’s not the best but it’s solid,there’s definitely worse
a few ppl here were talking about endless battles, and it gave me a funny idea for a format which would basically be a race to trigger an endless battle. whoever gets their opponent stuck first wins
This would be such a blast!! Shame it would be literally impossible to build a computer to recognize a win 😅 But human refs in a tournament could work!
@@GGreenHeart i don't think it's too hard tbh. every endless trapper has to have recycle, heal pulse and a leppa berry, so once you get it going a computer could probably recognise that. the only cringe part would be people denying the loss with timer stall which already happens lol. also now that i'm thinking about it all the trappers would have to click a very telegraphed move that you'd switch out of to trap you, so the game would likely be about killing 5 mons to trap the last which would be pretty boring
I remember trying to make a team around intentionally forcing the Endless Battle Clause game loss, where I would use Block, Fling a Leppa Berry and then Recycle it. Was disappointed when that didn't win me the game.
@@Emilia-_.Endless battle clause is a clause that bans people from using specific moves that can create an endless battle, like using leppa Berry, fling and recycle. The idea of that is that nobody will run out of pp because the leppa berry will activate. It’s kind of hard to explain in one comment, but Freezai has a good video on it
I like the deep dive into an obscure metagame and it was fun trying to come up with my own ideas about the format before learning the truth (i figured out SR court swap yay) but it would he nice to hear a smidge more about the final tournament match than "one guy lost other didnt" lol
I imagine he didn't elaborate because the format seems a bit boring outside of the concept. The meta strategy says it all: you spam steel beam. The actual strategic bits were explained, but the rest was "player one clicked steel beam, player two clicked switch" for the majority of the battle. Doesn't seem like there's all that much to explain.
Well you have to consider this freezaifaggot considers random battles as competitive just off the fact it has high traffic.. when it's just a bunch of randoms and scrubs not much better than him queuing constantly rolling the dice and hoping the odds are stacked enough against their opponent to make them feel as if they've done something skillful or accomplishment worthy. Way too insecure and full of themselves to teambuild and go thru trial and error gotta just pretend being given under leveled pokemon with weird useless sets is peak competitive play...
hear me out on a new tournament format: loser's game, expect that every other battle in the tournament, including the finals, is won by winning, ie making the opponent lose all 6 pokemon. It would be interesting to see teambuilding that's both good at fainting and killing
Honestly this is pretty funny. Should make it random and lower the odds though(about a 1/3 or 1/4 chance depending on how many players) so the players can’t predict it.
For those who just want the answer to the title: Alolan Sandshrew is so good in this format because it has the lowest Special Attack of any Pokémon that can learn Steel Beam. Since Steel Beam does recoil damage equal to half the user's max HP, it's a staple in this format, and Sandshrew can ensure that you don't kill your opponents faster than yourself.
I wonder if Pain Split would have a niche here. Run disruption tactics while your opponent is lowering their own HP and then equalize both your health bars
Well you have to consider this freezaifaggot considers random battles as competitive just off the fact it has high traffic.. when it's just a bunch of randoms and scrubs not much better than him queuing constantly rolling the dice and hoping the odds are stacked enough against their opponent to make them feel as if they've done something skillful or accomplishment worthy. Way too insecure and full of themselves to teambuild and go thru trial and error gotta just pretend being given under leveled pokemon with weird useless sets is peak competitive play...
A great way to block steel beam is grassy terrain because they need to do one more steel beam so u can use one more alolan vulpix thanks wood hammer toxic orb grookey
At first I thought that the whole format was going to be about gholdengo and damp pokemon like golduck, but there's a surprising amount of depth, this could actually be an official ruleset.
It was fun playing this tournament and format. I didn't even think about black sludge strats, so i lost on the second game, but i used a stealth rocks comp (although it was very poorly made as i created the team minutes before the tournament) with shadow tag gothita to lock a mon that couldn't easily die by itself after i set up stealth rocks and heal pulse + taunt till gothita dies. Very poorly explained but at least i won 2/3 games (1 win in tournament and another in post tournament game)
Well you have to consider this freezaifaggot considers random battles as competitive just off the fact it has high traffic.. when it's just a bunch of randoms and scrubs not much better than him queuing constantly rolling the dice and hoping the odds are stacked enough against their opponent to make them feel as if they've done something skillful or accomplishment worthy. Way too insecure and full of themselves to teambuild and go thru trial and error gotta just pretend being given under leveled pokemon with weird useless sets is peak competitive play...
Ironically, I use Alolan Sandshrew in the games. Why? 0 SpA IV, -SpA nature Sandshrew is one of the weakest users of Powder Snow, the weakest Ice-type move with a chance to freeze. I can spam it on wild Pokémon until they get frozen if I need to, while using Eviolite for extra bulk.
@@furiouscorgi6614 You can, that's certainly a lot more reliable, but it doesn't work on grass types, Pokémon with Overcoat, or Pokémon immune to sleep. There are ways around that too, like Soak and Gastro Acid, but unless I'm doing a very specific hunt, Sandshrew is a solid option to keep on hand. There's also the fact that freeze doesn't last a maximum of 3 turns, so if you're lucky they can stay frozen for some time.
My mental cook was using Cinderace, a stealth rock mon, and 4 pokémon 4x weak to rock The stealth rock mon uses it, Cinder court change it, and then you just switch your mons arround The rock mon would need a way to ko itself tho
I'd like to point out that Knock Off's item removal is still relevant in this meta, and Tera Ghost, in addition to the curse thing, has the more niche interaction of making you weak to Knock Off, potentially getting you KOd faster.
Well you have to consider this freezaifaggot considers random battles as competitive just off the fact it has high traffic.. when it's just a bunch of randoms and scrubs not much better than him queuing constantly rolling the dice and hoping the odds are stacked enough against their opponent to make them feel as if they've done something skillful or accomplishment worthy. Way too insecure and full of themselves to teambuild and go thru trial and error gotta just pretend being given under leveled pokemon with weird useless sets is peak competitive play...
My first thought before watching further is that Memento is a pretty busted move for this. Knock out your pokemon without inflicting any damage on your opponent EDIT: Oh.
Do you think this game also exists in the Pokémon universe, or is it all a hypothetical? The Pokémon league gets a whiff of it and they’re like ‘…… hey guys that’s a bit mean to your lil buddies’
My first thought was the Perish Song and Roar combo, but I also thought of disrupting the opponent with sleep and paralysis, using Pain Split when they're almost dead to hurt yourself and heal them, etc.
Ugh, THIS is the kind of content I want to be reccomended! You’ve got a good voice. For some reason RU-vid decided to reccomend me a REACTION to this video instead of the real thing, but I decided to come here and watch it myself.
I'm surprised pain split isn't used bc if you use it on a low hp mon you heal them while you drop. Especially if at full hp idk might be a sleeper pick
Actually, the first thing I thought about before even explosion spam was Ghost type Curse spam since that move halves the user's HP, but then again I've never checked how many ghost type lines get the move aside from the Gengar line so there might not be enough to make that completely viable. Edit: after checking I can confirm there are more than 6 ghost type lines that get Curse
On the topic of weird strats, would wonder skin be optimal in that format? Being able to mess with heal pulse/taunt acc could be intresting to watch. Venomoth isnt great, but it gets sleep powder, baton pass and disable, so maybe?
Mime Jr. would probably be a nice niche pick if it was available, because it can get Soundproof and Skill Swap and do what Clefable does but for Perish Song users. Plus, it's weak to Steel Beam, so hey
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This metagame makes me think about the move Torment. It's the move that prevents the opponent from repeating the same move twice. Is there a way for this move to be reliable ?
Doubles where Surf, Earthquake, Lava Plume, and the like are banned, and directly and negatively affecting your partner is banned, would probably be my specialty.
i guess because id never do it, but never knew baton pass could pass perish song till now, and i now also see how i blew one of my pokerouge runs as i didnt know HOW perish song killed me after i baton passed out
i wonder if you could make a stall team in this so that you can stall out your opponents ways to die and when they start to struggle is that recoil slower than whatever other method you use. or if we want to be funky try to get a last pokemon scenario and then get on that pokemon normalize while having a ghost team/terra ghost.
Imagine if characters in the Pokémon world start following this format A group of sadistic trainers with masochistic pokemon Could have been a fun Pokémon episode with ash too
