@@usermcskull4713 She's the one who says that Guzma likes Lusamine because she's the only adult who believes in him, so either no one in Team Skull is over 18 (ages are pretty funky in Pokémon, after all), or he thinks his friends are grunts "don't count".
The best thing about Pokémon Moon & Sun is the constant neutral smile on the face of the protagonist. Of all that sick unspeakable stuff that happens in this game he just doesn't fucking care.
Yeah, I mean, they got wormholed, saw their friend's mom, who they thought was a good guy, fuse with a Pokemon to become a monster, became the champion, saw a Solgaleo and Lunala LITERALLY MATE IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES, and they just stand there, smiling away... maybe it's burned onto their face after having so much traumatic stuff happen to them.
elinfini Rated E mainly for the typical violence in a pokemon game. they got away with the rating still i think because the most "violent" part is Tapu Koko's entrance is involved knocking the Spearow out of the sky. the rest of the story was just dark and creepy - the music amplifies these moments perfectly - as is the case here.
There’s a reason she doesn’t fight you directly! She didn’t fuse to become stronger, she fused to become more “beautiful”, so she doesn’t want to mess up her body
Not actually true, immediately after the battle she tries to kill you but sogaleo/lunala intervenes (that shows that even if she’s obsessed with beauty and is currently fused with a alien, she knows when to draw the line just like when extra nice characters in media know when somebodies too far gone)
Well I mean, Nebby, why did you have to save our lives from a raging insane jellyfish lady? I mean, totally uncalled for. She would have killed you. She wouldn't have fought your pokemon, she would have downright murdered you, and probably Lillie too.
Cynthia: * Dresses all black * One of the nicest character you've ever met in a Pokemon game, who encourages you throughout your journey, but takes away all your confidence in her battle = Best Pokemon Champion Ever! * Her team (especially her Garchomp) will forever haunt you in your nightmares! Lusamine * Dresses all white * So despicably cruel, she makes Blue look like Shauna in terms of jerkassery = Best Pokemon villain ever! * Her psycho expressions and the fact that she *shared a body with a freaking mind poisoning jellyfish!* will forever haunt you in your nightmares!
AkuRokuShiFangirl Cynthia actually switched her garchomp into a crit ice beam for me so it died before It got to damage me at all first time in diamond ( I used an electric move then an ice move back to back and gen 4 ai loved switching in ground types the turn after you use An electric move ( or in some cases if you use it twice in a row) then second time I fought her togekiss obliterated it one on one ( dragon rush missed and ice beam one shot ) the third time I set up on spiritomb and one shot it with my own spiritomb who had plus 6 all stats. The fourth time I fought it it actually killed something on my team......... with giga impact. Then I killed it the turn after with a weavile ice punch. It was always her milotic that was an issue for me as due to gen 4’s bad ai and her garchomp’s horrible moveset it was laughably easy for me to kill. Then I started to use dry skin toxicroak as my fighting type and then she lost all issues as her milotic didn’t seem to understand why it’s water stab wasn’t killing my Pokémon.
May I give you: Cyrus best pokemon villain ever? *so unforgivably cold, just void of all emotion *I was actually scared of him when I first fought him *He captured the GODS OF SPACE AND TIME to create an entirely new universe for him to rule.
Iron Pan I would definitely say top two objectively is cyrus but weather he or ghesitis is better depends on if you want the character’s goals to be realistic with the power they try to get to achieve said goals and such. Cyrus wanted to remove emotion from humanity as he feels such things hold people back. That’s relatively tame for someone who is gaining the power to destroy the universe and shape it to his will and someone so insane wouldn’t be tame in the slightest. Granted there is something to be said about having the villain’s goal’s and methods easy to understand and if that is more important cyrus is better. However ghesitis is smarter and more realistic. While ghesitis doesn’t gain the ability to shape the universe their goals make perfect sense. Having brainwashed the hero chosen by one of the dragons it makes sense that people would give up their Pokémon if n said so by the masses. That would allow ghesitis and team plasma full control as they would be the only ones with Pokémon ( ghesitis could probably kill n afterwards to be honest as n is naive in the first games and could easily be caught off guard and killed and then ghesitis could claim the dragon for himself ( or at least the stone for it). This would pretty much grant ghesitis absolute power over the unova region. Ghesitis plans makes sense granted the power they gain access to. If you want the plans to be while not necessarily easy to understand but realistic then ghesitis is the better villain.
@@cupocolor6410 No offence, but... nah! More like: Hypocrite: Wants to destroy all emotions, and yet has a Pokemon that evolves through Happiness (At least one of Ghetsis's Pokemon knows Frustration) Idiot: Wants to archieve something with nothing but a Legendary, what took humanity millions of year of hard work, sacrifice and persistence to archieve. Weak and cliché backstory: He wants to reshape the world because he had neglectful parents. *sarcasm* Gee, I haven't heard that before! One of the four reasons why It's worth for me to wait for D/P remakes is to see if they can actually make him an actually interesting villain.
Do you realize that not only she's the first female villain, but she's the ONLY villain who got TWO themes in ONE game ? (N has two themes, but he's no villain)
Imagine the future remake, where in Ultra Space Lusamine starts battling you normally, using Nihilego as her opening pokémon with her regular Battle theme... But when you faint it, it cuts to a cutscene where Lusamine gets Furious for hurting her precious Nihilego, and THEN Fuses with it, and "Gigantamax" herself as she becomes a giant space Jellyfish (This music stats) that fights Alongside her remaining pokémon in a double battle format, with both herself and all her pokémon having 'Totem Auras' that boosts their stats, and you & Lillie (With Nebby) fight her together, side by side.
no my friend that started in gen 3 XD just the gen 3 version was misguidedly destroying the world where as everyone beyond that was purposely trying to destroy or rule it
With my luck my Clefable either uses splash, a move with a power of 35 or less or self-destruct on something normal-resistant. She's still a big old floof though
The most difficult thing I’ve ever fucking dealt with in a Pokémon game. I somehow destroyed Cynthia first try. Same with Iris. But this… this maniac, gives me Vietnam flashbacks.
Pokémon trainer Nate honestly, I agree that Lusamine MADE ME WANT TO DRINK BLEACH! But how did you beat my 1st ever Champion, the HARDEST Champion, 1st try?
Clefable: Help me...i have seen some shit.... Clefable: Especially the fact my trainer is a friggin woman inside a jellyfish octopus And you are so correct when i first battled her i was like OH MY GOD HER POKEMON ARE SO MAD
I take back everything I ever said about this game not being an anime. I mean, we're fucking fighting a woman fused with a jellyfish to create a tentacle monster. You can't get much more anime than that.
Yeah, there's that. What I meant was that an actual battle with the Nihilego that's controlling her should initiate. So basically fighting Lusamine herself. None of her Pokemon.
I hope they keep the dark parts. They seem even darker against the rather colourful and cute backdrop of the Pokémon world. Lusamine genuinely creeped me out, but in an awesome way.
ghetsis in black and white 1: *angry illuminati bishop* ghetsis in black and white 2: *antichrist with a dragon* ghetsis in ultra sun/moon: *Illuminati ultraspace bishop* ghetsis in RR end-game of sinnoh remakes: *Fuses nihilego with hydragon* and uses gigantamax *ARCEUS DRUMS!!!*
I was pissed that this got removed from Ultra Sun and Moon. They neutered her in those games, it's like they went "oh no, we had a cool and actually memorable villain, BETTER RETCON HER AND MAKE HER ALL NICE AND SHIT IN THE UPGRADED VERSIONS". She became downright ineffective enough to get kidnapped by the other villains instead of standing alongside them. Imagine Rainbow Rocket backed up by Mother Beast Lusamine.
I'd strongly doubt Lusamine would be allied with them, but Jesus Christ, she's organized enough to have put up a good fight instead of getting shafted with ease by... Space Giovanni. Also, really wanted to see Mother Beast vs. Necrozma-- got majorly disappointed.
You know... I think Guzma had a point when he said he learned TRUE fear while in Ultra Space... Nihilego is the most unassuming, yet dangerous 'Pokemon' the franchise has, or ever will see.
Nihilego has the special ability to artificially enhance the abilities and powers of ANYONE, by, basically, cooking their brains alive, and using them as a host. Just imagine, Arceus walking along, having a good old day, and then suddenly this thing pops up, controls it's mind, and turns it into something even Mega Rayquaza would fear. So, in conclusion, this Jellyfish is scary.
I remember how this battle felt... My heart was hammering. I was trembling. It felt like the battle with Ghetsis in Pokémon Black, but so, so different at the same time... Ghetsis is psychotic and deranged, Lusamine’s obsession with the Ultra Beasts got out of hand after her husband went missing. She’s still there, but Ghetsis is too far gone.
Probably because he threatened the protagonist's life, then tried to fulfill the threat, and fused the savior pokemon with the executioner pokemon. Both legendary pokemon.
When I got to this part of the game, all I could think was: "Finally...FINALLY we get a female primary antagonist!" It was so good to finally have a change of pace, not only in the gender of the main villain, but the style in which the main villain was fought.
The aether foundation as a whole is not the main villain, just Lusamine. She literally employed team skull and Guzma to garner public attention so that she could do her terrible evil shit. Not everyone in aether was bad, even Wicke was opposed to Lusamine and Faba doing evil stuff but just because the entire organization isn’t evil doesn’t mean Lusamine isn’t the main antagonist.
@@mariavazquez6561 1) Necrozma was an Antagonist in USUM 2) The main villain was Rose (and a really bad one), Eternatus just came out of nowhere in the story
This theme is what I call memorable. It has a deep, dark event connected to it. It's just the right mix of creepy and epic, never letting down. And most of all, it showed what happens when someone falls further off the deep end then even Ghetsis did, to the point where even her _Pokémon_ have been Nihilego'd. This... this is the Lusamine we got pre-Ultra. This is the Lusamine who played a large role. I don't care if room was needed for the URS and the various forms of Necrozma. The Mother Beast was a pivotal battle, an influential battle. The Mother Beast was Lusamine, affected by, _fused with_ Nihilego. But that means that the Lusamine from USUM had a stronger mind. Which is not what we have come to see in Lusamine. *And she never fought our Pokémon directly.*
Maybe that's why USUM turned out so different. In multiple theories about alternative timelines/realities, usually one big event causes a complete split in the timeline. The earliest thing I knew was weird was that her obsession with UBs weren't the same. So, here's what I think happened. In S/M, Lusamine was completely overtaken mentally by Nihilego, but manipulated her to open more Ultra Wormholes to escape and feed off others. In US/UM, however, she probably wasn't affected or resisted it, which lead to her finding the Recon Squad instead of Nihilego's world Ultra Deep Sea.
I would prefer if they made you fight her in her motherbeast form, and make it the first ever legit boss in pokemon: - no typing. - loads of health (app. 2000 hp, something that doesnt die in 2-3 hits) - unique moves that cant be used by pokemon. I have an idea for her moveset: Abduction: takes the pokemon your using temporarily and makes it fight in her place. Once beaten, it returns to you, fainted. (It would be used rarely, but a devastating impact on the fight. ) Type change: [ability] - gains a new typing every 4-5 turns, her color changes depending on it. - Summon: calls forth a weak nihilego to fight alongside it, making players become extra cautious and strategize turns. Using roar or whirlwind will cause the nihilego to be swept from battle. - enhance: (idk what to call it)- boosts a random stat sharply. The rest of the moves are offensive moves, befitting her appearence. And instead of 4 moves, she has 6-7. How's that for a pokemon boss? (Btw, I'm studying on being a game designer;) )
I feel like this music symbolizes perfectly lusamines decent into madness. the erratic notes of the piano is a clear indication in this. But you can also hear some female vocals come in as well as to symbolize some shred of humanity left within herself, but its trying to desperately escape.
I was pretty disappointed when the ultra ball materialized in her hand (tentacle? Claw? Whatever). Then, the clefable tanked just about everything, and I realized this battle would still be difficult.
The moment I saw that clefable, I spammed nasty plot, used a dire hit, and an x speed for good measure... one shot clefable, she sent in milotic, one shot crit with inferno overdrive :3
Star Warrior 64 worked out something about this. I think she was intending to use herself as her sixth Pokemon, but that's when Lillie calls Solgaleo/Lunala. We don't have a Pokemon out because we're not expecting her to do so.
To think how far Pokémon has come. From the starting notes of Pallet Town in Gen 1, all the way to the Lusamine Final Battle. I mean, this music could close out the franchise.
I was honestly disappointed that I wasn't actually directly fighting HER, but was instead fighting her Pokemon; like, she'd become this super-powerful being, yet her power served to only buff her own Pokemon. Just a nitpick.
Its pretty annoying how we get to catch Solgaleo/Lunala AFTER beating Lusamine here Would have preferred fighting her with Lunala, Nebby basically facing off against her Would feel fitting
TBH Lusamine reminds me of a drug addict. In the fact that she becomes obsessed and full blown relies on her drug, the Ultra Beasts, to the point where she begins to forsake her own family to get more. However, with all drug addicts they either hit their bottom or they die. Same can be seen here after you beat her the second time and she realizing that her children are what's truly important. When you look at it that way she is quite possibly the most realistic villain, aside from Guzma, in the series.
Well, when she tried to directly attack these children, she was one-shot by the Solgaleo/Lunala. It was really better for her to hover back, Totem-boost her Pokemon and let them do all the fighting for her.
Soniku98 this is the Pokemon World, everything is solved with a Pokemon Battle, she's a pretty hard boss too, if she was just a Pokemon, she'd be pretty easy and it'd be very anti climactic
To be fair, i think that's because she was using her new form to give her team their Totem enhancements. She basically acts as a side-buff support for her team who can't fight because...well...she's a support buffer.
Lusamine is literally just an even more traumatizing version of the Malamar episode from the anime. Evil lady does evil stuff, good guy faces evil lady, evil lady is actually the minion and her Pokémon was actually controlling her all along. For realies tho Jellyfish thing bad and will haunt my dreams
So, I replayed this fight recently.... THAT DAMN CLEFABLE. IT LANDED *FOUR* METRONOME-TURNED-GULLIOTINES. Then, to rub salt in the wound, Frost Breath. Guaranteed crit, right through Goodra's X-Item setup. I had to pick her down with Druddigon, and thank GOD that Focus Band popped. She's torture. Not to mention, it feels like it comes right after her normal fight. Brutal. SM/USUM pulled out ALL the control rods towards the ends.
Congratulations? Your Lusamine evolved into....ok...WHATTHEACTUALFUCK?! 0^o W-would yo-you l-like to g-g-give your newly evolved hell-spawn a nickname?
I love how the piano from her original theme comes back (albeit distorted) at 0:49, almost like Lusamine calling out to the player to save her from herself, before being drowned out again at 1:05
@@invinciblemikey she literally doesn't deserve it, sorry, but even lillie and gladion know she was/is a good person, if they have empathy with her, I have empathy with her too.
TastyBrush I like to see it as them feeling such power for not only being the Mother Beast's Pokemon, but also for the Totem Boost. For example, you can see Clefable is also kind of smiling as if it was proud or bragging about it's power.
I see it as they're upset because maybe she mistreats them, as she only loves them for their 'beauty' she sees them as collictables, and probably treats them as such.
Lusamine: How am I any different from your friend there what does he do with Pokemon he can't use he throws them in the pc with no second thought (I know that is not the exact line but I'm going of memory here) Every competitive battler ever and i mean EVER: guilty as charge
That line made me feel guilty, and then following that when Lillie asked me to take Lunala with me on the rest of my journey, I was like "Fuck, I have a No Legendaries rule, but I don't want to prove Lusamine right either..."
Sun and Moon, both original and Ultra will forever be one of the best Pokemon games I've ever played if I can't say the best 3D era pokemon game. Storywise they really pushed boundaries with this, let alone completely disregarded some tropes in the series like Gym Leaders and 'underground' criminal organizations. Coming off of X/Y, which has great lore but half-baked story- this was a gift from the gods.
Giratina 487 I noted that it got destroyed by my Lurantis' physical attacks, but laughed at my Espeon's special attacks. Its Metronome was a joke for me, it didn't use anything worthwhile.
Wow... kinda feels like Gen 5. N was the first character to get two battle themes in one game, and Lusamine was the second. Ghetsis was the first to combine two living beings into one, and Lusamine was the second... granted, Ghetsis made two legendary pokemon into another, and Lusamine combined an ultra beast with herself. Ghetsis and Lusamine were horrible parents. N and Lillie were raised badly by their parents. It wasn't even USUM yet, and I already have a lot of nostalgia.
I woke up my parents with how I reacted to her new form. Fortunately it was around the time they normally woke up, and in the end, isn't it better to wake up to a "WHAT THE SHIT?!?" instead of a "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP"?
I have one of those without being an ultra beast but thats cause it's so ridiculously tanky but can dish a decent hit. and it has sleep powder\confusion immunity teeter and petal dance. I didn't realize for the longest time either but it out hp's almost anything I own including several legendries in their current state. it's at roughly a whopping 337hp I think? not to mention big root giga drain on top of all that. I was just glad that lusamine's lilligant didn't follow suit on how tanky it can be >. < cause that thing can be a literal nightmare spawn with luck if it's on your own team or bad luck on anyone elses
lilligant wasent that much of a problem, clefable (if I remember well) with moonlight that healed it every freaking time I made it go in the 20% was my biggest problem
"oh arceus, this is gonna be pretty hard battle, well, my pokemon are 5 levels higher then hers, so might not be that hard *me: sends out incinaroar*, *Lusamine: sends out Clefable* I'll use Acrobatics, sure, *The opposing clefable used metronome, it used Roar Of Time* OH SHI--"
"UB-01. Code name: "Symboint." "Properly known as Nihilego" "There have been sightings reported of this beast in Alola's past." "Its most distinctive feature is parasitic capability." "When Nihilego latches on to a host, it does not manipulate its actions directly." "Rather it awakens the host's own capabilties and boosts them to an extreme extent in order to protect itself." "It injects the host with a sort of neurotoxin to achieve this effect." "This neurotoxin of Nihilego's is incredibly stimulating and inspires feelings of extreme excitement and a lack of inhibition in its host." "In other words, anything or anyone that a Nihilego latches on to will have its native skills forcibly activated to their fullest extent and will then act as it naturally does so."
She might be the only Bad guy that has fused with a Unknown pokemon in the entire franchise, Well at least she aint causing a mass genocide like Lysandre.
Actually, she IS causing mass destruction. She's summoning UB's all over Alola and basically starting an apocalypse. Worse than Lysandre/Cyrus in my opinion cause Lysandre and Cyrus wanted to destroy PASSIVELY. Their plan didn't have any sort of bloodshed into it. While if you really think about it, Lusamine's plan is pure dark. What she doesn't realize is the true power of the UB's. These things could KILL. Just imagine a Pheromosa bursting into your house and stomping on your family's bodies leaving a bloody masacre as you watch in despair hiding in safety slowly watching your entire family die in what may seem like hell itself. I know. It's a horrifying thing to imagine what could've happened if you weren't there to save the day with your smiley looking face.
What? This music sounds nothing like ANYTHING out of EarthBound. Though if you put Lusamine's boss form in EarthBound as a boss, no one would question it.
Was I the only one disappointed you didn't fight Lusamine herself instead of just her boosted team? It would have been hella cool although I can see why they didn't do it
i think everyone was disappointed, apparently they had trouble coding in a traditional boss into the pokemon engine but they could've easily coded her in as a pokemon and given her an ability that essentially gives her multiple health bars and changes her moveset with each one
NyaBah yeah honestly probably in my top three battle themes in sun and moon. way better than normal lusamines. the battle is also so intense. Pokemon hasnt gone this intense or serious.
I’m so glad Scarlet and Violet are on the same level as this. The game went from: 3 storylines, Gyms, enemy team, and Titans and each of those storylines having a final battle with key characters. Then we enter the 4th story “The Way Home” took the game’s story from a 7-1000. Probably one of the best endings since Gen 7.
@Marav Reviews yea definitely plus tbh the Vibe of Pokémon Violet makes more sense and the whole robot Pokémon makes the situation way more weirder. Plus the professor being an AI in Violet makes WAYYYY MORE SENSE.
@@RetroLiminal99444 ok but in scarlet, Sada looks more like Arven, which makes it even sadder, as it is obvious that Sada is Arven's mom. True, Arven has some strands of dark brown hair, but still.
@@laravioliiii2832 I don’t remember saying that loosing Turo was sadder. Or did I? Yea that is sad because Arven is a guy and that’s his mom, momma’s boy. If the roles were reversed like Arven was a girl and she lost her dad, that would be even more sad. But regardless I stand by what I said, I agree with that point but Violet has a more unnerving feel compared to scarlet.
@@RetroLiminal99444 i was mostly saying losing sada felt sadder because it just felt like you were saying violet is better than scarlet, and i was just salty lmao but yeah, it felt more unnerving in violet
Pain split made this battle so much easier, when she sent out her bewear for the first time it used pain split and outsped me and basically gave me health XD
People say Lusamine never tries to attack by herself as an Ultra Beast, but not only is she powering her Pokémon up, she DOES attack, but Nebby hops in to save you.
I absolutely love how Nihilego was, for all intents and purposes the one behind everything. This marks the very first time in the main series games where a Pokemon actually is the primary antagonist. That said, I still wish you could fight the Nihilego/Lusamine itself.
When i saw this transformation, there was only one thing I could think of... Do you know what I was thinking? "WHAT THE- HOW INSANE ARE YOU, LUSAMINE?!" ...then was tragically disappointed that we were fighting a buffed version of her earlier team rather than Lusamine directly.
That Clefable will haunt me forever: Opened with Meganium and tried to Toxic + Leech Seed, forgetting it has Magic Guard. Clefable gets some free Cosmic Powers to get up to +3/+4 Defenses. I switch out and try to whittle it down, but Moonlight shuts that down. I switch to a set-up sweepee, Clefable Metronomes Circle Throw to phaze me out when I get enough boosts to 2HKO. I switch to Wishwashi and turn it into a water type to try and PP stall the moonlights by reducing its Moonblast damage. Clefable Metronomes 2 water moves in a row. I send in Incineroar and try to Z-Move it to death now that it doesnt resist Dark. It Metronomes Tearful Look on the switch dropping my attack. I only killed the thing because several turns later it Metronomed Skill Swap, and without Magic Guard to protect it Clefable died in 1 turn to the Toxic that had been ramping up this whole time. Fuck that Clefable.
I spammed Magnezone's steel move (playing in french so I don't know the name of the move in english, it must be something like light cannon). Anyway I used that attack waiting for a critical hit, that finally landed. Gosh this was lame, but the entire folowing team was pretty easy to beat. Guzma put me in a real challenge on the other hand :O
+Luneth Powa In English I think it's called Flash Cannon. Guzma wasn't bad, since my Orocorio swept him fairly easily. I still was using its Pom-Pom form, so it's Revelation Dance was electric type, plus I had tons of flying type moves. Lusamine, on the other hand....
The asshole who just stole all your bleach Beside the clefable, everything went pretty smoothly, even with the stat upgrades and the 5 levels she had over my team. I think that overall I had a really good teamcomp against her, but I do not remember any other of her pokemons (except for the milotic that used flail, this one was defenitely something I'd remember :D ) As for Guzma, I just had to revive my lycanroc four times to get passed him. Ripped off my entire team.
Jake Steel It seems that I'm the only one who didn't have much trouble with this fight, it was difficult, but I still beat it on my first try (like the whole game I'm actually really proud of that) and my strategy with my team wprking off of the weakness of the others really worked... Also, Steelium Z on Magneton, killed that Clefable very fast...
DarkStone94 It's not the same case though since there's more to it than color. Bewear has the glossy eyes and plushy softness associated with fairy types, and can naturally learn baby-doll eyes leveling up. Scizor can't learn fire type moves via level up nor does it have any physical features associated with fire types aside from being red.
