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Pokemon’s Type System Has PROBLEMS 

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Pokemon's type chart has remained pretty similar over the course of the franchise, but the way it works can cause some issues. There are some cases where a Pokemon is weak to types that don't make a whole lot of sense. The type effectiveness system also translates absolutely terribly into crossover games,
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@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 3 дня назад
Watering can? That’s a weird way of saying bucket of water
@lasercraft32
@lasercraft32 2 дня назад
Maybe if Solgaleo had "Heatproof" instead of a "Clear Body with a fancy name," then we wouldn't have this problem.
@EinSilverRose
@EinSilverRose 2 дня назад
It debuted on gen too early. If it was originally a Gen 8 it woukd have both or even one more effect.
@umwha
@umwha 2 дня назад
Primal Groudon being weak to ground is hilarious
@jaschabull2365
@jaschabull2365 2 дня назад
Maybe it can be interpreted that its domain is the land, so messing with it by digging into it or creating earthquakes particularly bothers it.
@StarkidPhil
@StarkidPhil 3 дня назад
Also Palpitoad looks like the kid that catches dragonflies and makes them fight each other
@robertlupa8273
@robertlupa8273 День назад
Just like how Palpatine catches the Republic and Separatists and makes them fight eachother. Or how he catches Vader and Luke and makes them fight eachother.
@PorygonBugado
@PorygonBugado 2 дня назад
"You can ride on Rhydon to surf"
@jesuisunstroopwafel
@jesuisunstroopwafel 2 дня назад
Rhydon is the original -raidon.
@robertlupa8273
@robertlupa8273 День назад
@@jesuisunstroopwafel the -raidons are actually Paradox versions of Rhydon, not Cyclizar :P
@ShahirGoelab
@ShahirGoelab День назад
@@jesuisunstroopwafelmiraidon: hello Rhydon, I am Miraidon. Rhydon: no, MERhydon
@PokemonZenith
@PokemonZenith 2 дня назад
Instead of Full Metal Body, i would've given Solgaleo an ability called Sun Eater, that not only makes it immune to fire, but also removes the harsh sun.
@BEEEES
@BEEEES 2 дня назад
Maybe also letting it get an attack boost or two if it does eat the harsh sunlight
@InsertFunnyThingHere
@InsertFunnyThingHere 2 дня назад
That seems more like an ultra necrozma type thing if anything but solgaleo really just needs anything at this rate
@jaschabull2365
@jaschabull2365 2 дня назад
Some of my favourite ironic type weaknesses are fish whose weakness is water (stunfisk), frogs whose weakness is bugs (greninja), scarecrows whose weakness is birds (cacturne), a pig whose weakness is mud (tepig), a dog whose weakness is bones (houndour) and spiders who are at disadvantage against flies (just about any spider pokémon you can name). And for maximum irony, the orb weaver, which spins suspended webs for catching flies, is disadvantaged against flies, but not the tarantula, whose webs are spun at the mouths of their burrows, meaning they can't catch airborne targets. I mean I guess some tarantulas are called birdeaters, though they don't eat birds that often, but that doesn't explain why a tarantula, which is one of the few arthropods to easily die from a fall, is more resistant to sky drop than just about any other bug type (even some with wings). What I think takes the cake though is how many herbivorous pokémon have a grass weakness. Elephants, hippos, bovines and deer are all known to eat grass, but being poked by a leaf is apparently a death sentence to donphan, hippowdon, slowpoke, terrakion or ting lu. And, of course, rhydon, which gets another compound weakness in grass. Poor guy finds eating a hazard thanks to Gamefreak's determination to make Brock's gym as easy as possible. I'll also say that there are a few general type interactions which don't make sense with certain moves, which I've always thought should be tweaked to be exceptions. Flying being immune to ground makes perfect sense if we're talking an earthquake, and marowak getting STAB for its signature attack makes sense, but a projectile like bonemerang being incapable of hitting a flying target makes no sense at all. Similarly, it makes sense for steel types to have an immunity to poison attacks, which usually affect body systems that an inorganic metal thing probably doesn't have, or are venom-based, which would require penetration, which naturally, would be a hard task on a metal target, and it does make sense that acid is a poison type move, considering it's basically a malignant, chemical compound, but acid not being able to affect a steel type when metal dissolves in acid makes no sense. The fact that these moves weren't fixed when freeze dry was invented, and given a bypass to water's ice resistance seems pretty ridiculous to me, really.
@umwha
@umwha 2 дня назад
Groudon and Solgaleo. One is the god of earth and one is the god of the sun. One has the ability to cause intense sunlight - and one has an ability to negate stat changes. Guess who has what ability .
@dharrison6504
@dharrison6504 2 дня назад
Mmm solgaleo isn’t necessarily the “god of the sun” I think it’s sun like appearance in just a coincidence, I mean it’s from another world. Ho-Oh is probably more of a “sun god” cause I’m pretty sure it’s stated as being born from the sun (but so is solrock so who knows) It’s almost like they didn’t really think about it that strongly, I mean as the most basic levels gold and silver have basically the same themes as sun and moon, being day and night respectively.
@umwha
@umwha 2 дня назад
@@dharrison6504 SOLgaleo on the box of SUN, user of SUNsteel strike, sibling to LUNAla- yeah I think we have a sungod here
@dharrison6504
@dharrison6504 День назад
@@umwha but they both literally aren’t from this world?
@timaeustanis
@timaeustanis День назад
Me defeating Primal Groudon: I used the *_L A N D_* to destroy the *_L A N D_*
@StarkidPhil
@StarkidPhil 3 дня назад
9:21 And here I thought Matt was about to sing A Thousand Miles acapella for his platonic husband (but still have the brawl after) Awesome vid idea and examples yall. Especially the Smash content~ .Yall Smashed it!
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 3 дня назад
you know i'd walk a thousand miles if i could just punch you tonight
@anasbinmaalik3739
@anasbinmaalik3739 День назад
Tympole is a round, tadpole-like Pokémon with a tan, circular face. It has large, oval, black eyes; a wide mouth with down-turned corners; and black eyebrows in the shape of quarter notes. Its spherical body is black with no visible limbs. Instead, it has two black-and-blue ringed cheeks akin to half-spheres on either side of its head. It has a long, blue tail with a fan-like shape and a black spot at its base. Tympole vibrates its cheeks to create a sound too high-pitched for humans and other species of Pokémon to hear. The sounds are used in rhythm to communicate with others of its kind, particularly for warning of danger. They are known to sing in high-pitched voices, which creates graceful ripples on the water's surface
@ScarletRebel96
@ScarletRebel96 2 дня назад
Fun fact: Sinistea and Polteageist could theoretically also have the ability "Arizona" as a hidden ability, If you know what im referencing then you know 😂
@F14thunderhawk
@F14thunderhawk 2 дня назад
Sinistea and Polteageist would have to be native to Unova, not Galar for that. and no, if we goto Orre, that doesnt count.
@T_kats
@T_kats 2 дня назад
I feel like the Pokemon world reflects the real world in a sense that there’s inherent complexities and nuances that are hard to rationalize and make sense of, especially considering it’s a fictional series. At some point it gets tiring to sort out so I just embrace it lol.
@samuelebertinazzi4468
@samuelebertinazzi4468 2 дня назад
6:17 "Focus Miss" that is totally true
@pokeperson1000
@pokeperson1000 День назад
Side note, despite type effectiveness being in brawl, electric weaknesses are left completely unimplemented.
@benjaminmargulies1853
@benjaminmargulies1853 2 дня назад
Kingdra should get nerfed by no longer able to have swift swim for Kingdra and horsea and speed stat halved for the whole horsea line (since real seahorses are slow)
@Big-Image
@Big-Image День назад
Looking into the current Type Chart, I've concluded that the issue lies not with the Types themselves but with the system in place. Some Pokémon end up being disproportionately strong or weak simply because of their assigned Type. Here's my proposed solution: Instead of determining a Pokémon's weaknesses, resistances, and immunities solely by its Type, we could tailor these attributes to each individual Pokémon. This approach could potentially allow for greater flexibility and balance in gameplay. For example, imagine two Grass-type Pokémon. One could be weak to Fire, Ice, and Poison but resistant to Water, Electric, and Ground. Meanwhile, another Grass-type could be resistant to Fire and immune to Poison but weak to Flying and Bug. This approach would make each Pokémon feel more distinct and balanced in the competitive scene, without relying on gimmicks like Dynamax, Terastal, or Mega Evolution. While this system could make it harder for players to remember every Pokémon's specific resistances and weaknesses, this could be mitigated by allowing players to view the Pokédex in battle without any penalties. In hindsight, I understood why GameFreak might be hesitant to implement a system like this-given the vast number of Pokémon, assigning individual strengths and weaknesses would be a massive undertaking. However, with Gen 8's introduction of Dex-cuts, this task might be a bit more feasible.
@robertlupa8273
@robertlupa8273 День назад
Cacturne is a scarecrow, yet it's weak to Flying. A scarecrow is weak to birds. Wat. Actually, that sorta make sense now that I think about it, especially considering its Dark typing. It knows it can't take on "birds" in a fight, so it scares them instead. That actually does sound like a Dark-type thing to do. Huh.
@rayyt5566
@rayyt5566 18 часов назад
Are we not gonna talk about how Squirtle and Greninja DROWN in water in Smash? Makes zero sense
@TheKyubiisaan
@TheKyubiisaan День назад
Palpitoad robbed me at gunpoint in 1993
@fixyphoenix5394
@fixyphoenix5394 2 дня назад
I love your guys' channel
@WeightedRaincoat
@WeightedRaincoat День назад
Palpitoad is a precious little goober
@chaosfantasy0064
@chaosfantasy0064 День назад
Pikmon and Olimar should have grass attack effects.
@Nethaura
@Nethaura 2 дня назад
Similarly to Solgaleo, Lunala is not only 2×, but 4× weak to Dark and Ghost due to being Psychic/Ghost type. Not a great look for the pokemon of the night to be absolutely terrified of getting spooked
@TheApexPrey
@TheApexPrey 2 дня назад
Elias meant that Palpitoad is his lord and savior obviously
@thefirespecialist9007
@thefirespecialist9007 2 дня назад
"Focus Miss" 😂😂😂😂
@aliciahuang6329
@aliciahuang6329 2 дня назад
Finally a poketuber who actually research Pokémon origins for their type reasoning. Very few poketubers who actually research into the deeper origin of the Pokémon type. Unlike most pokeshorts tubers who do it for the shock value views. Especially hidden grotto who is in denial of valid reasonable explanation that I commented and gone full petty because I don't share his opinions about this Pokémon type should be this type. Hidden grotto is the worst. Hateful, unreasonable, toxic with his true colours when someone makes a counter argument of something he don't agree. Essentially a big baby.
@ShivaniGupta-wx8gc
@ShivaniGupta-wx8gc 2 дня назад
I think they should add properties they are like abilities but you will get all of them and u can get as many as u want
@umwha
@umwha 2 дня назад
A motorcycle dinosaur can set sun but not the sun god lion.
@jaschabull2365
@jaschabull2365 2 дня назад
No use telling solgaleo to set the sun, if you try, it'll just eat it right after ;P
@umwha
@umwha День назад
@@jaschabull2365 they should have given it a move called sun eater which boosts all stats and ends Sunny Day when used
@shardtheduraludon
@shardtheduraludon 3 дня назад
I think it’s funny that both of the 2nd stage members of 3 stage Water/Ground evolutionary lines look like utter dorks. I mean, c’mon, between Marshtomp and Palpitoad, ain’t no way there’s a thought among either of them :P
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 3 дня назад
they’re doing their best
@gligarguy4010
@gligarguy4010 День назад
Oh they live in Arizona too? That explains soo much. I can't remember that last time it was under 90 F.
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames День назад
We’re both from New York, although Elias is in Chicago
@azburn30
@azburn30 2 дня назад
Being from Arizona, the Desolate Land-AZ jokes hit different 😂
@fortello7219
@fortello7219 2 дня назад
Give solgaleo flash fire as a hidden ability
@fortello7219
@fortello7219 2 дня назад
Why was this entire video just about Palpitoad? It was the weirdest decision I've ever seen for a video
@king_of_rats_Monfernep
@king_of_rats_Monfernep 2 дня назад
1:28 fact, what new fossil Poke didn't have Rock type, will Never change type of other fossil Poke, It's looks like situation with pokedex in general: New pokemon get really not bad stats for playthrough, cool abilities and signature move, when a lot of pokemon in Gen 1 still without really not bad signature move (hello, Kinezis!), without not bad stats (RIP Seaking, Farfechtd and Parasect, they were good boy's) and abilities (Keen eye for Pigeot.....), HEREWITH THEY ARE ICONIC, THEY NEEDS LOVE
@Vaporstar07
@Vaporstar07 2 дня назад
The reason for Anorith and Armaldo not being water is for one specific reason: Mr. Laptops exists.
@Bruh_idk69lul
@Bruh_idk69lul 2 дня назад
Is that why jean sect is bug type?
@Vaporstar07
@Vaporstar07 2 дня назад
@@Bruh_idk69lul Genesect? I think it was just pure bug until Team Plasma added the cannon.
@anthonybenci9035
@anthonybenci9035 2 дня назад
I genuinely had to look up wth PALPITOED was
@Bruh_idk69lul
@Bruh_idk69lul 2 дня назад
To be fair, solgaleo's weaknesses are definitely more fitting than lunala's. Bro is the moon pkmn, and is quad weak to 2 of 3 types associated with night/moon, dark and ghost, the third one being fairy (cus moonblast, moonlight etc). Solgaleo's psychic makes at least a little sense as psychic has a few connections with the sun (ex. Morning sun being espeon's sig move in gsc)
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 2 дня назад
Y’know that’s a good point
@Bruh_idk69lul
@Bruh_idk69lul 2 дня назад
Were you waiting for someone to comment? That was so fast 🤯
@jaschabull2365
@jaschabull2365 2 дня назад
That, and poor umbreon is the Moonlight pokémon whose weakness is moonblast.
@goGothitaLOL
@goGothitaLOL 2 дня назад
Just now realized Incineroar only has 2 fire moves (not counting FS) Both of which aren’t originally Fire-type but instead Fighting-type and Ken only has 1 (again, not counting FS) EDIT: Hero and Steve have more fire and explosive moves than this
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 2 дня назад
Yeah it was fewer than I thought as well, but they’re there
@jdrmanmusiqking
@jdrmanmusiqking День назад
4:28 Wait are you a brotha?? ✊
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames День назад
Yeah I am
@WarmLillie
@WarmLillie 2 дня назад
Solgaleo not being a fire type has me puzzling, it ability of Full Metal Body is good but it could have a hidden ability with an immunity… or give the secret reduce of fire type moves, agree.
@Solokeys-g7o
@Solokeys-g7o 2 дня назад
But other than one myrh that it ate the sun, it really has nothing to do with the sun
@CantChooseUsernames
@CantChooseUsernames 2 дня назад
There are exactly 2 fire type sun inspired pokemon Yeah for some reason game fream likes to make sun pokemon psychic
@umwha
@umwha 2 дня назад
The brawl type effectiveness would be fine if they included electric Squirtle is weak Charizard is weak Ivy resists
@dashingclasher
@dashingclasher 2 дня назад
emperor palpitoad is our lord and savior
@gavinaaric
@gavinaaric 3 дня назад
Woah a new video so soon Nice!!!! ❤❤❤ Keep these videos up
@BaconMaster234
@BaconMaster234 2 дня назад
have the day off but I'm still watching this while I eat lunch 🎉 shredded chicken sandwich today fellas
@Lioner9
@Lioner9 2 дня назад
6:30 Doesn't water bubble also prevent araquanid from being burned?
@ShinyRK9
@ShinyRK9 2 дня назад
A comment about Palpitoad
@Zarugoza5969
@Zarugoza5969 2 дня назад
Why is Garganacl in like every video? Not complaining. I like Garganacl
@F14thunderhawk
@F14thunderhawk 2 дня назад
its a minecraft Mob that got lost in the wrong game, and unlike most rock types, is actually good because its signature and ability are absurdly good.
@aliciahuang6329
@aliciahuang6329 2 дня назад
6:17 not the disrespect on focus blast. Do you know what ability fix focus blast is no guard.
@darkchaos3474
@darkchaos3474 21 час назад
This Arizona joke is so weak-
@agsmooth1572
@agsmooth1572 2 дня назад
Why they mentioning arizona while talking about drought
@Krqze0Official
@Krqze0Official 2 дня назад
Ahh yes
@Blost
@Blost 2 дня назад
1:36 Splishy Splash? 😭
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 2 дня назад
Splishy Splash
@Blost
@Blost 2 дня назад
@@MEPlaysGames Splishy Splash
@Nethaura
@Nethaura 2 дня назад
​​@@MEPlaysGames Splishy Splash
@antoniocalado7101
@antoniocalado7101 2 дня назад
Not really related to type limitations, but I'm not a big fan of almost every new pokemon being dual type. A couple of years ago I set up a challenge for myself of using every pokemon in a team to beat a main series game. I made teams with no type crossover, mostly to make sure there was a nice spread of team coverage and few common weaknesses. In earlier gens this was mostly fine. Maybe sometimes I ended up with a team with no ground resist and 3 ground weaknesses, but usually there was a good amount of resistances to play around with. In newer gens however, this balance is harder to find. And I think the biggest factor in that is the amount of dual types. While before about half my team was monotype, in scarlet and violet there's usually only one or two ( using almost exclusively gen 9 pokemon, with a couple of gen 8 pokemon that didn't fit in a sword and shield team ). For pokemon with good type combinations it's a strength. Add steel to most other types and it's probably better off. But when you're trying to use every pokemon it becomes quite clear that for the most part, a second type is a hindrance. Instead of a fire type with 3 weaknesses, you get a fire ghost with 5. You get a grass type and think you've got the water gym covered, but then it's also a fire or ground type and suddenly it's not so reliable. Not to mention that a 4x weakness usually means a pokemon is useless against that type. I've used every pokemon up to gen 7 in a game and i've done over half of the galar and paldea ones too, and while there's a lot to like about the new pokemon designs, this excess of dual types is a really big pet peeve of mine
@BlueBlur_91
@BlueBlur_91 2 дня назад
Shouldn't it be We plays games
@demi-femme4821
@demi-femme4821 2 дня назад
I mean, what do you want them to do, program individual resistances for each one like it's Shin Megami Tensei? They were already almost running out of space in Crystal. Now imagine having to account for each individual Pokémon and form in USUM, where there are well over 800 of them.
@Jasonwolf1495
@Jasonwolf1495 2 дня назад
Honestly, my solution to a lot of this has been to make pokemon have 2 and a half type. Especially since we have a built in tracking system now to let you know how strong your attacks are I think it would just be fun. Not every pokemon needs three types, but some absolutely could use it.
@stanleychang1fan826
@stanleychang1fan826 2 дня назад
This is kind of why I like the weakness/resistance system in Persona better; every persona/enemy has a different weakness that corresponds to their design, however they are all part of a specific “type” within the games system. Not saying I would ever want this in Pokemon though
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 2 дня назад
Yeah Persona’s got a good system, but it wouldn’t translate that well into Pokemon, especially since there’s over a thousand different species now
@stanleychang1fan826
@stanleychang1fan826 2 дня назад
@@MEPlaysGames yeah; even though there’s 300 personas in p5; they still reused some type weakness matchups lmao, if it was in Pokemon it would be an absolute nightmare in competitive
@christiancinnabars1402
@christiancinnabars1402 2 дня назад
That system tends to do better in games that don't have massive damage swings. The standard JRPG will have ~1.2 - 1.5x multipliers on type advantage; Persona 5 has a 1.4x multiplier for elemental advantages, for example. So the way it works in those games is that you can test out a couple of attacks at the start of, say, a boss battle, and if they're neutral or even resisted you won't lose out on too much damage or overall tempo. Meanwhile in Pokemon, setting up a +2 offensive stat and landing a SE move can be the difference between your mon getting 2HKO'd in return, or slept, or frozen, or used as setup fodder, or used as hazard setup turns. So even if it were just the original 151 LGPE-style, the only way to properly incorporate that would probably be to lower the damage of super-effective hits, lower the effectiveness of stat buffs, and potentially even lower the damage boost from critical hits and items. Which technically, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon already does a good portion of, so it _would_ actually be feasible for a Pokemon-style game; albeit it would most likely be a system reserved for a spin-off title.
@sam_the_yeen
@sam_the_yeen 3 дня назад
Great vid as always, keep up the good work bois 🤎
@MEPlaysGames
@MEPlaysGames 3 дня назад
that’s the plan
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