Pokemon Fan Games Are Making The Shift 

Never reveal a fangame until it's complete, that way even if Nintendo does C&D it would already be too late for them since the fangame is already in circulation on the internet. It sucks since your project won't get the exposure it needs but it's better than being cancelled outright.

When George Lucas couldn't get the rights to Flash Gordon, he created Star Wars. Go & make something new.

Nintendo, Nintendo, what’d you do now? Destroy half a franchise, like you know how

❌See how there are communities that love the game and support fan games as they are literally working for free for you IP ✔Send cease and desist to all the fan communities because their games look and play better than the shit you are trying to sell us almost for a decade

I'd love to see many more unique IP monster taming games. There are so many fakemon designs that could just be their own thing and many ideas that don't have to follow the pokemon formula. I want to see that creativity and passion put into something new!

The biggest issue with fangame makers needing to make all their monsters and stuff, is the seriously steep task of making a series of monsters that actually look good and catch peoples attention. Not just a tiny community saying 'Oh I like this', but a wider audience recognizing their visuals as looking good before they even start moving forward with a game using them. In modern times that should be the initial goal, a visually pleasing look and catchy monsters. Then ya need a theme people can get immersed in. I am a fan of a new monster taming game taking some ideas from the Dot .Hack series, and using the world gate concept. Multiple phrases, beginning, middle and end, that generate a world based on those concepts. The game would have monsters of a lot of different types appear based on what words are used, and the same monster could be reused with new color palettes, movesets and typing, adapted to new biomes, like Pokemon Delta Species. The big difference in this random generative concept would be how assets are decided, and what monsters you could encounter, and what types they are. In my concept here, assets wouldn't all be locally downloaded at once, just a base amount, and a lot of the worlds assets could be obtained as you play, other than the core hub of the world and the monsters in it. So you select your phrases for the gate, it gets information from the server on what the world will look like and the monsters encountered, and then sends that data to you right there. Each new area would have new visuals and monsters you have not encountered downloaded. The devs could use AI generative models to create tons of new visuals and monsters on the fly, and sit around approving what they want to add to the servers asset pool. So you could run into never before seen monsters and visuals with every generation in real time as the devs approve of new content. Visuals, monsters, movesets, whatever other mechanics involved that help create your monsters identity, it could all be new when you catch things. Then you raise these unique monsters, possibly fuse them together, etc. Join PvP battles and try and work out what your opponent is capable of with their own unique team. AI generative models using your decided upon visual style, with real time content additions, is the future. We just need models that work, and the dev teams would approve stuff in real time and code additional stuff where necessary. I would absolutely pay subscriptions for such a cool game.

I think the irony is that pokemon is kind of making their own competition. While it will never make a big dent in their sales, I imagine they loose at least a couple of thousands from smaller indie games ect. At the moment, I really only engage with pokemon through rom hacks and fan games. I have played more games like Coromon, Nexomon ect than anything officially pokemon related in years.

I'm working on both a Pokemon Fangame and an original Monster Tamer, so I see the pros in both options. For my original game I have full control, can make my own world, make money from it, all the benefits of making your IP. However, I also still occasionally work on my fangame, there are things I literally can't do in an original game that I can do in a fan game, like improve things I feel need to be improved in Pokémon. I can buff and nerf Pokémon, I can improve Ice Type, I can make Pokémon abilities be related to their Pokédex entries, things like that. It's fun to add my spin to an existing world that I love, it's fun to see how things could be if I had control of the Pokémon IP. My original game has priority over the fangame, obviously, it has more pros; but I still want to work on my version of the Pokémon world. (Not sure why I'm writing this, but it's gonna help with the algorithm. Ok bye.)

While I can't ever see it happening, it would be somewhat ironic if the Relic Castle exodus caused a group of people to develop a monster taming game that ends up being absolutely huge as a result.

Gamefreak/Nintendo: Makes the worst Pokemon games in the past few years Pokemon fans: “Fine. I’ll do it myself”

This is why I'm making my own Monster collector game. I'm planning on going for more of a tactical fire emblem approach with mine though, once I get it in working order my dream is to see it on this channel. But for now I shove my head back to the grind stone and keep working.

I dont think that will be a shifting of pokemon fan game creators to new Ips at all. There's a huge difference beetween producing a pokemon game in pokemon essentials RPG Maker, than going to do a full new IP. Imagine that creating a new IP is drawing something from zero, and making a pokemon game is editing a already well made image. Im creating a new Pokemon Fan Game as my first step to game developing in RPG Maker, its already a huge taks when you have most of assets done, imagine when you have to create it from the zero Remember guys - greed always preeced the failure

This is what I'm saying make there own game instead of using existing ip that they will shut you down anytime even when you make for free

tldr, Nintendo got pissed that Pokémon fan games have 10x better quality then a multi billion dollar company can produce... nice

Like everyone else mentioned, The biggest problem is making appealing creature design, a couple get close like temtem, coromon, palworld (to me at least) but you can never shake the feeling of "thats just a pokemon with different colors" or something. Theres also the combat, pokemon's is unique in the industry and trying to alter it slightly often leads to some clunkiness from the aforementioned games, while making something totally different like action, strategy or something just makes it a whole different game.

I was not aware that pokemon phoenix rising was still a thing. I played their 0.1.5 game demo a few years back and it was really good, but then most of the team jumped off and the only news I heard was that they would massively downscale everything, a few years of nothing made me believe the entire dev team was gone. Happy to hear that they are still working on it even though it will "evolve" into something different now.

Well done TPC. You not only pushed the more passionate fans away, you just gave more power to the competition, as well as increasing the number of competitors, all in the age where your games are disappointing people left and right. You played yourself.

I definitely don't blame Pokemon Fan Game devs for making their own game, over making (said) fan game. BUT, there is the honest truth that the Pokemon IP is what brings attention to these games. Without it, your game has to be 100x better, in order to make even a bit of profit. Not to mention the "stigma" of being a Pokemon clone. An issue that Palworld even struggled with... and look how successful that game was. Again, that is no fault of the indie game developers; but it's a rough, brutal world out there. They have to decide to risk losing it all and making the Pokemon fan game that they want, or to go all in as a business and make a completely new IP and hope that it gets an audience. It's not an easy choice.

Fan game dev here. I've put a lot of previous effort into actually creating a Monster Taming game, but I've been struggling to find a team. I'm developing a (sort of easy-to-do) fan game in order to be able to have a fully finished project for my portfolio with the hope to reach more people, because I'm a game designer and scriptwriter (but not a programmer or an artist, the two positions that help the most when attempting to prove you've got experience) and fan games are accessible in both coding and spriting, things that although I can sort of do I'm not a specialist on. I would not make a fan game if I wasn't almost obliged to do one in order to prove my 7 years of experience in projects that mainly failed to be released because of others abandoning the project (usually for work reasons, which I completely understand).

Tbf the bar for "how legally distinct do you have to be for Pokemon to not sue you" is Palworld

Overall I think people making their own Monster Taming games is better than making fan games, but of course it's a lot more work so it's understandable that a lot of fan game dev's can't just easily swap over.

Hope I won't have to memorize 15 different type charts lol

The big problem is the monster creating aspect, create hundreds of unique monsters. but there are tons of incredibly talented artists who create entire fakekemon regions based on real world areas or fantasy/ sci fi. If these two groups got together and tweaked their designs it could easily be their own IP.

It’s depressing that Pokemon fan games are forced to do the shift now Those were the days when making a Pokémon fan game didn’t gave anyone any problems and some could do Pokémon games with great stories and some fakemon or fan games with 100% fakemon Those were the days

Time for more unique ips. This way, there will be WAY more competition

Wooo! More like this! Like the previous video on the topic, just means that we get a lot more games in the long run and there's no iron fist above their heads. Cannot wait to see this new generation of inspired games!

They know these fan games are way better than anything they officially bring out. Thats why theyre going harder on these fan games.

So… Nintendo canceling fangames is going to encourage those small indie devs to make monetizeable pokemon-likes instead? Karma be cooking for Nintendo

I never really got the allure of fan games - I always thought that fan game devs should have made their own games from the beginning. That being said, I know a TON of people love them, and it super sucks that TCPi and Nintendo are so protective. It’s just so odd because fan games have zero impact on official game sales. After just two years, Scarlet and a Violet are close to passing Sword and Shield’s sales numbers. They are only losing good will by attacking these fan games.

People should turn and make Palworld fangames. If Nintendo doesn't want people to promote their franchise for free, people can promote other franchises.

After the negativity of the last video and all fan game talk was discontinued on the discord. I'm surprised to see this video. I do think people making their own IP's is for the best if they have the resources but not everyone is lucky enough. I did think about posting the news on the Discord but felt it was a bit risky.

Feel like Palworld really help shake the stage.

Keep in mind, the take downs come from the legal teams and corporates not the developers. The developers being more on the creative are usually flattered by these games because they know what it takes to make a game and the amount of care and passion that goes into these projects. The tskedowns always comes from those that will specifically view fan games as a threat to their brand and bottom line. $$$ However, despite what people may think they are within their legal right to do this and it is always worth pushing that passion towards a new IP where these fan devs are capable of making all of the decisions without any sort of fear of pushback.

Honestly I can't blame pokemon for being strict with their IP, to keep copyright you do have to do that or risk it becoming public domain. Also games like Coromon have built in game settings that are in line with the monster taming community like choosing any starter, built in randomizers, and built in nozlockes as base settings and is just a generally great game that it differentiates itself enough to be great on its own. The general Fandom will find these games (like cassette beasts and monster sanctuary etc.) on their own and make them profitable without pokemon having a stake in the game. I love the yellow and crystal legacy mods but really the devs need to make unique games and branch out to stay relevant.

This is actually why I shifted from making my own Pokémon fan game to making my own original IP but instead of it being a game, I made it into a book series. Pokémon: Obsidian Scales became Dynix: The King of Beasts Festival, because I did not want the Pokémon company to take down the work that I was going to put into the game, so I decided "Screw it. I'll just go ahead and do it my own way", so instead of making it a game, I figured turning it into a book series will let me have a lot more leniency, and I can do exactly what I want with the franchise.

I think I’m just too tired rn but I thought it said “Fan Games Shitting?” When I first saw this.

I've humored the idea of a Pokemon fangame in a region with exclusively new Pokemon based on creatures from the Warcraft franchise. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realized it would be far too dangerous to tango with both Nintendo and Actiblizz at the same time if they ever caught wind of the game. So I shifted focus to just making it its own thing with no particular theme in mind beyond what monsters I think would belong in a high fantasy. While I'm far away from being done with the game, here's some of my ideas so far. -6 playable races with out of combat perks -At least one monster of every type combination -Two new types Holy and Void -12 Class Hall Commanders based on play styles rather than types like what gym leaders usually do -Questing system for additional exp -A very rebalanced battle system to minimize luck (Freeze is gone, diminishing returns prevent being stun locked, etc) -Power level reminiscent of Generation 3 if it had the physical/special split.

Went a company can sue/take down you for a mod who don't make money and not even there game. That unhealthy business decision. Even other company like Bandai, Capcom or even Rockstar (With so many GTA) don't do that. Or i never hear that.

Phoenix Rising is the fan game i've been watching for years now and am still looking forward to, but with the mention of new IP's it's something i would love to see something original from. I love the feel of the game and region so much. It's quest system and storyline has so much potential. I hope the newer management of it can truly allow it to shine. I say new but it's been quite a while. Time just feels so mashed up to me over the past few years that i honestly can't keep track.

*Pokémon company:* *releasing a bunch of buggy and uninspired games for the past years, despite criticism * 😃 *Fans:* We'll fix that and make pokémon games to cater to us players! *Also the Pokémon company:* You're making us look bad and you all should STOP! ☹ 💀💀💀

I've been developing my fan game, and have considered separating it from the pokemon ip, I'm ok with making the remaining monsters to cover for it. My battle mechanics are even already pretty un-pokemon like, but I kinda want to keep it pokemon because I find novelty in "using existing pokemon in a setting with new mechanics" interesting - take Legends Arceus for example. Having said that my pokemon-to-new-design ratio is like 1:3 - even counting new forms as the '1'

At this rate, Nexomon will become the next Pokemon. Gamefreak will go out of business while VEWO takes the Pokemon legacy and turns all Pokemon into their hand-drawn creations. XD Seriously, people are going to start put up hunger strikes and create "train track picket lines" to prevent people from buying Legends Z-A if this BS continues. My hopes of creating a Pokemon fan game that retells Generation 6-9 without the gimmicks is crashing and burning. I guess I could make the fan game and only give it to my nieces and nephews to play for free. TPCI can't send a cease and desist if I never give it to anyone other than my friends because not only it is not making money, it's not getting promoted. (I'd have to tell them never to talk about my game on the Internet, or TPCI would threaten to sue me if I didn't delete the game from existence and take it away from the people I gave it to.

Pokemon is like cronos, eating his own children, at the end they will kill him

Sooooo.... since pokemon is stopping people from paying homage to pokemon by making not for profit fangames, they are i stead creating competitors that can now sell their games and may actually take a share (albeit probably small amount) of the sales pokemon wouldve made. Can we get a slow clap please? These fan games are usually better than the mainline games themselves, all it takes is for one team to make a franchise that will actually compete against the pokemon games to take massive sales away. Good job Pokemon Co.

They could even pool their fakemon into a repository for everyone to use. That way, t hey can continue to make copyright-free games without fear.

Honestly, striking down games for profit off of lawsuits and winning them is a terrible idea. You get more competition, and Pokemon games have started to seem to most people that they lack slightly in quality every time they release a new game.

Basically you're gonna have to make your own creations with, you can base the on pokemon but to avoid trouble you can't use any pokemon, can't use the name pokemon, can't use names characters from the pokemon brands.

The biggest reason I’ve held off on trying Pokémon fan games is just knowing Nintendo could go after it at any moment. I’m excited to see more indie development coming from these projects though, especially since they have some really cool ideas and I’d be able to support them by buying their releases

Hey Ed, playing the Roblox Console version of Tales pf Tanorio and came across two BIG bugs. First off I had to Calypillars and managed to get one to evolve during the Day to get the Light form. Then when I evolved the other at Night it ALSO became the LIGHT Form so I paniked and quickly shut Roblox off with out continuing after that. Then when I got back on I saw it was in Dark form and relaxed. Then I checked it's Type and it was Bug and Light. Then when I went to my box to exchange a member on my now full team with my newly captured Kittenweed I found out I CAN'T CHANGE TEAM MEMBERS! WTF!?!? I CAN'T EVEN GET THE CURSOR INTO THE SELECTED BOX OR MY TEAM! WHAT! THE! HELL!?

This good news hopefully more fan game devs will follow suit

pokemon fan game devs shouldve been making their own franchises

Would be kinda crazy if we got a collaborative game between multiple poke-like game studios. Instantly doubled dex size.

I realize that on some level Nintendo is obligated to go after fan productions to protect their IP, but by doing so they're encouraging more and more competition. I enjoy fan games as much as the next person - they often fill the void that official channels won't - but I'm also excited to see what these people come up with when driven by passion in this way.

Honestly it makes sense it always kinda bugged me when people make a idea that could be a mon game in itself and they just make them pokemon cause there fans … and like i get it but this idea is good on its own you could make something great

well Duelist is the first of is kind making that approach. first they making the foundation of making the story,maps, own monsters, etc. its coming along in the process.

Have you played Monster Masters? It's in Beta and the dev team only has 4 people but the game is amazing and the dev team and community are very interactive and friendly. You've recommended many great games to me, thought I'd recommend one to you ✌

It makes sense for them to make their games with how protective Nintendo and the Pokémon Company have been. This crisis can also allow people to make their own games by using the experience to create something new and branch out, especially when there is a chance of coming up with something innovative compared to what Pokémon can give.

It's been quite a while since I played Phoenix Rising but them saying that they were more about the narrative than the Pokémon is...a stretch. I am intrigued by what they can do now after freeing themselves of the Pokémon formula. They had a lot of good ideas...but those were mostly Pokémon ideas in my opinion.

They should have been making their own games from the beginning. There is no reason to ride on the back of Pokémon if you have your own interesting ideas that might be sold. They should also look into releasing their title to as large an audience as possible even if it means being spread out across all platforms. An issue a lot of the devs create is not presenting their games to as large of an audience as possible.

I wonder why TPCi doesn't go after pmd fan games and projects like they do mainline fangame. Does it have anything to do with Spike Chunsoft having the Mystery Dungeon franchise? Regardless, I'd love if there were some pmd-inspired IPs especially with PMD Origins' creation

The relic situation is sad for sure...

I have to agree with you on this one, Ed. It makes the most sense.

As sad as it is to lose fan games, the teams behind them deserve better, anyways.. Also. Admittedly. Every time I see a "fakemon" design, it's upsetting. Because I've seen so many awesome, original designs from fans.. and while, sure - the inspiration came from the love of Pokemon, these creations don't deserve to be reduced to being a "fake pokemon." Pokemon doesn't own nature and the concept of otherworldly creatures. These fans just made their OWN, original beastie! That's cool! With how rotten the company treats their fans, they don't deserve the degree of passion these fans have. ..No I'm totally not salty, lol.

I agree devs should make uniqe monster tamer games. What sucks is that by doing this your competing against the largest IP on the planet. But more competition is usually a good thing.

Nintendo's problem is their greed and indifference to the fan base, Nintendo bans literally all fan games in its franchises, this is why Nintendo has lost the sincerity of its fan base, turning into just games for the whole family, unlike its former competitor SEGA. sega allows fans to create content, which is why there are SAGE and millions of fan games for Sonic and some other franchises, this is why the Sonic fan base holds many events around the world, while Nintendo... Meh I haven't heard about Mario or Kirby's fan meetings with like more than 1000 ppl.

Make your own monsters Use the fan communities monsters and give them credit

i hope all of those developers atleast get their opportunity to work on an original project that could be as good if not better than all the fan projects that nintendo has been so agaisnt of, i can see so many of those fangames as their own thing with original creatures and not keeping itself limited to being on pokemon's standards, i hope we can atleast have that

If the fan game is made in the engine that Nintendo uses then they're screwed but if its their own engine or something else then they could publish the game as a stand alone! Or even better maybe make it a fan game of another franchise like nexomon,temtem or coromon.

As long as pokemmo stays up as it's a emulator and does not provide the roms. I'm good. But if fan games own ip can make similar mons and take inspiration from Pokemon but that is what will need to happen it seems

I love Pokémon but it's better to make your own games instead of a fan game of the series so you have more freedom on your monster designs and storytelling the way you wanted to tell about them like how we get games like Palworld, Monster Hunter Stories, Cassette Beasts, TemTem, Coromon, Nexomon, Digimon, Monster Rancher, and many more Pokémon-like games but has their own identities.

I have always felt of two minds about fan games. Yes I do think these creators should just make their own IPs but also I kind of vehemently hate most Fakemon with a passion. I cant explain why not something about them next to actual pokemon sets off my uncanny valley sense.

Nobody will stop. Nintendo has crapped all over fans for years and people keep doing it anyway. The same will happen with this.

I wonder if Nintendo will shut down PokeRogue soon? It’s quite easy to go after I’d imagine

I don't even like the official pokemon games. I ONLY play fangames and romhacks. Most of the indie monster collectors I've played I enjoy more than pokemon as well. I'm mostly just part of the pokemon art community, which isn't even technically pokemon half the time.

This is great news! Indie devs get to be more creative and earn money from their creations, and Nintendo Corporation and Game Freak Corpo get less attention. Everyone gets exactly what they wanted!

And I'm all for it. I want games like Coromon to come out every 3 months, please and thank you.

Make every single m o n a Fakemon you can still do the badges but you have to call them like pendants or gems or make a bracelet where you put add-ons are the badges and don't call a gym a gym call it dojo challenge Hall trial anything but a gym I love fan games good luck devs I wish you the best

I think it sucks but it seems to be how Nintendo is these days. I still play ROM hacks rather than 'fan games' as I like to play on 3ds hardware. I would however be willing to pay for new original games on the 3DS or Vita....

It just sucks because a lot of people who make pokemon-like games try to be too different. Id like a complete copy and paste with all the quality of life improvements and no brainers that theyve refused to implement. Also the OC designs almost always tend to be ass.

Personally after 2018 i never play any pokemon games, well basically any Nintendo games, even i sell my switch n my old nds. Without us they r nothing

Its not about making cool creature designs tho...

Current day gamefreak does not deserve my respect or consideration, fan games and rom hacks are better in every conceivable way compared to the official releases we get now.

I don't know while 10k people will got it into the wrong uhhh how does that saying go? anyway they should make their own stuff, just with enough info that the pokemon people see what potential money or ideas they are letting go. I do think they are a bit stupid nothing more.

But its not fun if its not a fanfic(

Vimms lair got hit by it aswell

What is the name of this game?

Phoenix rasing they havent relase anything for years the game desd for me

Beast catchers

people should stop buying pokemon stop buying its merch, stop playing its TCG, stop buying their games. THEN prioritize Indie games with the money you saved. we CAN do better

I agree that Pokemon fan game creators should ditch the Pokemon IP and make their own. I know it will be challenging, but it better than having to deal w/ Nintendo's legal team.

The age of Pokemon is over. They go after their biggest fans. It is time for the age of Digimon!!!... (a man can dream)

Aren't there already as many official Pokemon games as there are number of Pokemon? Lol This was a franchise that fed on quantity, why does this specific franchise even need fan games? Especially when knowing how crazy Nintendo watches all things.

Maybe I start downloading all these fangames before nintendo drops that tactical nuke. Thing is, this is just strengthening my resolve to never buy another Pokemon game--maybe instead of attacking the fans they make an actually decent game for once in like fifteen years now. Legends was an anomaly, scarvi is unfortunately the norm.

The only thing that i like is the story , all pokemon games has never failed to make boring story, the only pokemon like game that i like is nexomon , that game has like better story than any pokemon games, digimon's story is even better

i see this as a good thing. its better to make original stuff because thats its own entire ip and youre free.

If Nintendo wanted they would totally try to get people to stop making romhacks for their Mario stuff too.

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All I care about is Radical Red, is that going to be okay? I don't care about original fan games. I just like creators taking what Pokémon used to be and expanding on it greatly. Hence Radical Red.

I think it's time people realize the palworld people aren't so bad after all :)

Big L from Nintendo. Pushing fans away from your IP is not smart