Pokemon TCG Power Creep 1999-2021

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In this video I dive into the history of power creep in the pokemon trading card game from the classics in base set and jungle to the newest cards in 2020 from the Sword & Shield sets and even to the future cards that have been revealed for 2021.
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0:00 HISTORY OF POWER CR
0:41 SOURCES / CREDITS
2:05 WHAT IS POWER CREEP
2:46 POWER CREEP IN PTCG
4:18 YEARS & LEGAL SETS
5:43 2000-2001
7:31 EARLY EX ERA 2003-2004
8:44 2004 WORLDS LISTS
10:21 2005 Worlds Standings
10:57 2010 Worlds Standings
12:18 2013 Worlds Standings
13:21 World Championships 2017
14:16 DEC 2020 ONLINE EVENT
14:34 2020 TOP DECKS
15:01 ESTIMATED POWER BY YEAR
16:02 ESTIMATED HP BY YEAR
19:04 ESTIMATED DAMAGE BY YEAR
21:01 BASIC MULTI-PRIZE POKEMON
22:49 MECHANICS OVER TIME
25:15 TRANSITION FROM BIG BASICS TO EVOLUTIONS
26:14 CURRENT STATE OF GAME
27:01 ON THE HORIZON

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15 июл 2024

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@idontthink 3 года назад

I really enjoyed the GX era (pre-TagTeam). I think it was the most fun and balanced era of the PTCG.

@4real51 3 года назад

Agreed..... The gx machanic is so good and skillful

@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 года назад

And yes gx Era was creasy good even if many players still cry power cript again I left to the game And early stage on tag team is cool the first season.

@maxm9898 3 года назад

Yesssss that’s when I was into it professionally. The good old days before Logan Paul and the collector squad made everything cost so much. I think pokemon was nice when it wasn’t as popular as it is today

@4real51 3 года назад

@@maxm9898 isn't everything lol

@maxm9898 3 года назад

@@4real51 haha yeah

@Emporkommling 2 года назад

The insane thing is there’s no reason for power creep in Pokémon. The format rotates, so it’s not like current cards have to compete with older ones. Cards could reverse power creep, get weaker, and as soon as the strong cards rotated everyone would be forced to play the new ones.

@CeliosNetwork 2 года назад

I agree.

@bradybourgeois9819 2 года назад

Yeah it's a bit strange. They've actually done this specifically with some trainers over the years. Something like fan of waves vs enhanced hammer and judge vs N. I think the problem is that they want to have Pokemon in the newer sets that tend to be slightly better than ones in older sets in the same standard pool of sets, so even if stuff rotates the power floor trends up because the cards get better from set to set. I wish they didn't do this, but it kinda makes sense from a business perspective. They always wanna be selling the new hotness

@connorism69 2 года назад

Agreed. Damage creep just seems like a really lazy and unimaginative way to create hype. Reminds me a lot of monetary inflation, lol.

@Jaco3920 2 года назад

The problem is that not everyone plays standard and the rotation that comes with it. If new cards started getting much weaker, formats like expanded would become essentially stagnant (why use new weaker cards when you can whip out VMAX's?). They could just wipe the board and start a new expanded that starts with the newer sets, but I'm sure that would anger a ton of people.

@Chiffonaise Год назад

You to have to keep in mind that Pokémon is a Japanese TCG, and in the home country, they did series (block)+ formats instead of rotation for decades. This means that the "big shake up" only occurred every couple of years instead of annually, meaning formats were likely to stagnate for longer periods of time, and thus a stronger incentive to power creep. TPCi honored WOTC's rotating Modified (now Standard) format since they took over western organized play. However Japan did their own thing for a long time, and likely designed the game primarily with their local constructed format rules in mind. Japan had their first annual-style rotation in late 2019 with regulation mark A (equivalent to SUM~CVI, Ultra Prism-on). Though since home rotations are now a thing, I wonder if they've taken steps to mitigate the power creep now. Like an internal design guideline for power leveling Basic, Stage 1, Stage 2 single prize vs. multi prize. tbh I wouldn't be surprised if power creep continues to be a factor. Pokémon Standard is still very big since cards are legal for about 1 year longer on average compared to...say, the MTG model, which means that newly released Pokémon sets are always less consequential than new MTG sets to their respective Standard formats.

@ringss_ Год назад

Man, I miss the days where massive HP pools were reserved for Wailord

@coledavidson5630 Год назад

What sucks is that the power creep for the big cards (V, VMAX, GX, EX) is huge, but for the regular cards there's very little power creep. So it becomes less and less viable to use regular cards in decks even if they have good abilities or effects

@coledavidson5630 Год назад

Like, sadly most of those support evolutions mentioned are not even worth using bc V, VMAX, and VSTAR are just so powerful, the opportunity cost is too high

@piens51 Год назад

@@coledavidson5630 yeah they just dont even pretend that evolution single prze support is worth anything.

@tylercranston7226 Год назад

Gym leader challenge format came about more or less because of this

@MartinV1 11 месяцев назад

That's not true imo, for exemple look at drifloon, it can deal 300+ damage with gardevoir ex and brave charm. I think such a powerful basic 1 prize would be impossible 10 years ago

@coledavidson5630 11 месяцев назад

@@MartinV1 that's way too conditional to really be powerful

@macke9215 3 года назад

Power creep was a fairly gradual rise until tag teams. Cards rotated before getting obsolete because of power creep. Tag teams literally have more HP than a stage 2 GX. Man, 230-250 used to be impressive...

@emberpowertcg7692 3 года назад

imagine when s+m golduck good two shot anything almost without choice band? 120 now wouldn't even be a 3 shot in a lot of cases

@matthewkuscienko4616 3 года назад

@@emberpowertcg7692 Actually, 120 will 3 shot anything in the game right now, considering that the highest HP anything has is 340. The only time what you said applies is when something like big charm or a damage reducing item/ability is involved

@emberpowertcg7692 3 года назад

@@matthewkuscienko4616 yeah true, i should have written for a 2 shot

@andrewmartniez402 2 года назад

@@emberpowertcg7692 you could make the argument that 3 shot is way to slow nowadays. Most decks attempt to one shot 3 times to win a game

@emberpowertcg7692 2 года назад

@@andrewmartniez402 yeah 3hkos are too slow

@eloyjaimes9562 Год назад

I played as a kid with base, fossil sets. Started back up around 2011 when my oldest son wanted to play. It was the beginning of the Black and White sets. Which was fun. Now in 2021 started playing with my youngest and ohhhhh my the game has changed a lot. Between vmaxs, rapidstrike, fusion strike and soon to bring back the lost zone. I have a lot of relearning to do.

@CeliosNetwork Год назад

I love hearing about this!! Let me know if you have any questions I can help with

@runegate6390 3 года назад

I always say this, I hope in gen 9 they just do a hard reset and tone it down to the numbers(or at least balancing)from the ex and DP eras.

@joshmo7333 2 года назад

I wish they could but until rotation, no one would care and people would just use the previous generation cards but after rotation I think it would be good

@footballworld2796 2 года назад

@@joshmo7333 this is the exact reason they won't, though I wish they would

@otto2853 Год назад

@@joshmo7333 can't they pull a "Base Set 3" or smth and just rotate early so there's only one set at first

@KururuJi Год назад

@@otto2853 That would kill a lot of peoples collections and the resale value. This happened in Japan between GSC and ADV and... basically killed the hype.

@kotoriitsuka4418 Год назад

this shit aged like wine lmfao, they’re returning ex cards

@ZachPowers1996 2 года назад

For me, the 2008-2010 segment was the best. There were still tons of decks roaming around that had multiple stage 2 lines and multiple support evolution lines in them. The format had god tier draw support and consistency cards as well. I think the worst part of the format was the likelihood of getting donked which really sucked since tournaments were best of one at that time I believe.

@CeliosNetwork 2 года назад

I strongly agree. I played DP-AR for hours today, it’s my favorite format of all time.

@maxmcintyre2980 Год назад

Shoutout to Level Xs!

@talonitex6441 3 года назад

TPCI hier this man when you put it in a graph it easier to see the huge spike in power creep I can’t believe how much the HP has increased for multiple price Pokemon compared to single price Pokemon

@dredgendorchadas6770 2 года назад

I used to play in the playground with no evolution, no energy, no supporter limit. Unsurprisingly there was one kid who's mommy bought all the strong cards for and he blew us out. I've grown to love the evolution mechanic and wish stage 2s like nidoking, queen, Aron (stage 2), and others would get more love as stage 2s

@Redvox57 3 года назад

I used to heavily play the card game online when I graduated high school and created a unique deck based around salamance that only had salamance in the deck. The idea was to reshuffle abunch to get a starter card, then the opponent would always take all the extra starting cards and turn one I'd have a Wally a double dragon energy and turn 2 have a salamance that used the 20x the amount of cards your opponent had which of course since they'd still have a whole hand full of cards from me reshuffling would instantly wipe their deck

@Redvox57 3 года назад

That was my counter to ex and gx cards lmao. And if they didnt have many cars in their hand then the 3rd move would deal alot of damage

@bootleg6595 Год назад

That's hilarious! I play the online game too and I use the charizard theme deck w nidoking and queen

@joepepsi 7 месяцев назад

do you still have the decklist?

@Redvox57 7 месяцев назад

@@joepepsi I'll have to check around to see. I remember rare candy, wally, trash compactor, energy retrieval/professors letter, and the healing scarf were the big important cards. The salamence was from roaring skies, and then I just picked the best bagon/shielgon cards that were available

@Redvox57 7 месяцев назад

@@joepepsi * 2 Bagon ROS 54 * 2 Bagon ROS 55 * 4 Shelgon ROS 56 * 4 Salamence ROS 57 * 4 Professor's Letter XY 123 * 4 Wally ROS 94 * 2 Lysandre FLF 90 * 2 Revive ROS 88 * 4 Energy Retrieval PRC 126 * 4 Evosoda XY 116 * 2 Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear PHF 92 * 4 Healing Scarf ROS 84 * 3 Pokémon Center Lady FLF 93 * 2 Max Revive XY 120 * 1 VS Seeker PHF 109 * 6 Water Energy Energy 3 * 4 Double Dragon Energy ROS 97 * 6 Fire Energy Energy 2

@rever6612 Год назад

We can say that your reading of the situation in 26:00 is great and accurate. The adition of VSTARs moved to meta to VSTARs vs VMax, both 1 stage evolutions. Now, with the Scarlet and Violet sets, they will probably bring back a meta more similar to the GX era, in which multiprizers evolve from normal pokemon instead of from multiprizers.

@monte_2000 Год назад

Seeing this now after 2 years it’s crazy how you got exactly right in terms of evolution for the game. ex are back, and now was back to evolution dual prize Pokémon. VSTARs even provided a sort of power creep with slightly less HP, but arguably better attacks and abilities while also being only worth 2 prizes.

@jackscales7434 3 года назад

I want to return to an era without gx, ex, or v Pokémon, and only have evolutions or basics, with more unique abilities and strategies that aren’t just attach energys hit for 230 etc. I think it would be a nice change, and something we really haven’t experienced in years.

@ericlee650 2 года назад

They should make a single prize gamemode. Would be dope

@otto2853 Год назад

@Luka Kelly the thing I don't like about it is I can't put multiple let's say Larvitars in one deck - while the singleton is great I'd love to put some from different sets

@Clavitz1 9 месяцев назад

aaaand they kept it going but at least no more vstar/max i think overall non special pokemon do need an hp buff, especially those like Snorlax

@ungulatemanalpha 3 года назад

I think the basic issue is that the Pokemon TCG keeps putting consistency cards that favor big basics (Professor's Research and Quick Ball being the best examples) in formats where big basics are already the best threats. Running a Stage 2 deck is a lot more palatable in a format where the best draw supporter is Cynthia, the best Pokemon search is Comms, and shuffling dead cards away doesn't come at the cost of playing a worse supporter than the decks who get to discard their hand to draw 7 and don't care about losing any of the pieces in it. The part where basic Pokemon contribute to this consistency in the form of cards like Shaymin-EX, Dedenne-GX, and Crobat V just exacerbates the problem. When decks have to run Stage 1 engines like Octillery or Zebstrika to draw cards, they can't just run their basic attacking line, 4 Quick Balls, and then slap in more draw power that their Quick Balls can find.

@connorism69 2 года назад

I'd love to see a small promotional set made with vintage damage and HP parameters, as a gesture for all of the fans who dropped off due to all of the damage/HP creep and the other changes that occurred.

@hunterthorne4671 2 года назад

I played competitively during the GX era because i liked the mechanics of GX as opposed to EX. Once they released the tag team pokemon they did exactly what I didn't like about the EX era, having basic pokemon be the norm, and Vmax seems to have almost broken the game... I was planning on getting back into the game, but it looks like the format is more broken now than it was when i left The format seemed so healthy with sun and moon I'm not sure why they reverted back to what it seems like a lot of players didnt like about the tcg.

@CeliosNetwork 2 года назад

As this video was made about a year ago, I am glad to say design is getting better. GX was the best mechanic of the last decade or so and they have effectively made the next best thing with V Stars! My newest video features Leafeon V Star if you would like to check it out. V Stars have me quite hopeful for the competitive environment of pokemon TCG.

@TrianglePants Год назад

Because TPC dgaf, and never have.

@GameurBlais Год назад

2010 was peak for me! Legends pieces are just so cool and fun

@baldmc9262 3 года назад

remember when pikarom used to actually have hp lol

@Maximum432 Год назад

These super-rare (and super-expensive) EX or GX or whatever cards overshadow everything else to the point that other cards are only used to passively support from the bench through Pokemon Power. It's completely alien to me at this point. My nostalgia for this game has been dashed against the rocks. At least Konami still makes singleplayer YuGiOh! games.

@zacharyavrutis6589 3 года назад

Looks like alot of work went into this. Great job!

@bryanbare5577 3 года назад

I was there for the making of the thumbnail. Good video Mr. Network!

@Redvox57 3 года назад

I played alot during 2015-2017 and then started to get back into it in 2019, but the amount of health and damage new cards do made me just stick to theme decks for online

@imjody 3 года назад

Very informative, man! Thank you for this. Wonder how long it'll be until we see 500 HP Pokemon cards. 😳 V-Union will probably bring us over 400 HP.

@user-xv8lm8lt8j 3 года назад

I love the comprehensive breakdowns from your content. It's nice to see a by the numbers approach in Pokémon tcg content

@CeliosNetwork 3 года назад

Glad you like them!

@SlimFactorMusic 3 года назад

I play competitively since 2000 and it was a lot of fun to remember old card and decks, it was a very interesting video!

@AshenHawk96 Год назад

Thumbnail's personally on point. Considering that old Blastoise EX was my first deck and that Mewtwo EX was spoiled right when I stopped playing, curious to see how crazy it's gotten.

@byzantine5761 Год назад

I’m new to this channel and WOW your formatting for literally everything is amazing with immediately starting out the contents of the video and sources, where you usually have to badger a creator just to give a source

@KokuroSame Год назад

I like how they are starting to undercreep this with ex cards in scarvi. So far no three prizers and aside from basics, Pokémon have to evolve. I think the decks will become more fun to play again.

@olivergro7105 Год назад

Hey I don't play TCG and this was very interesting! Thx for the video :) Also, when you have complicated graphs then it's useful to highlight the line you are talking about atm. Highlighting the important one, shadowing the other ones or putting them away for a moment.

@machaljd3400 3 года назад

Me when looking at one of the graphs: Whaaat? There were multi prize stage 2 Pokémon cars?! Sounds awesome btw :)

@NameAvailable 3 года назад

So basically tag-teams broke the balance and then VMAX was created to make evolution a necessary part of the game again. Now they just need to make single prize Pokémon more viable and things will start looking good again

@riggsvsoliver 2 года назад

Year later, and were slowly making single prizers more usable compared to v vmax (and now) vstar is the new issue

@machaljd3400 3 года назад

Great and very infotmative video, I really enjoyed watching it.

@davidvagner2803 Год назад

Great video i love the effort you put in it. Very valuable !

@richardsamson8306 3 года назад

Good analysis to the power creep Luke!

@charlesgamble4670 2 года назад

Really enjoyed the video!

@docxy7331 Год назад

We'll soon hit a point where the shadow lugia card gets power crept

@BarKeegan 3 года назад

Power creep in the art too. Seriously though, other card games need to take note

@TheChocolatBlanc Год назад

Really really good video. Keep it up!

@kanopusfox Год назад

what a perfect research job! congrats for the video!

@isaacunderhill9120 Год назад

As someone who grew up with Pokémon this is super nostalgic and informative to watch, thank you.

@CeliosNetwork Год назад

Happy to share this with the world. This is my favorite video I've ever made so it warms my heart when viewers like yourself enjoy it!

@bradybourgeois9819 2 года назад

Good video to come back to though it seems like we have a little longer to wait for another sum era. V stars feel much more like megas and hopefully will be a bridge to a better meat. This was an insightful look at past formats, and I think you presented the info in a fairly unbiased way. Great job!

@CeliosNetwork 2 года назад

Thank you! This is honestly one of my favorite videos I’ve ever made so I’m always happy when people find it and enjoy it!

@TheWarlordShogun 3 года назад

I feel like the biggest issue with a lot of the cards now-a-days is the big damage attacks or massive hp doesn't come with any sort of drawbacks. Like in the old days, basically all the "abilities" couldn't be used if they were affected by a special condition. I feel like the game could be more balanced if attacks that had massive damage came with a massive drawback. Not just "This pokemon cannot attack on the next turn" because that just gets negated with switching out. If they wanted to make that effect a true detriment, then it also needs have a line of text that says "This pokemon also cannot retreat by detaching energy or by an effect of a Trainer card on your next turn." I felt like Tag Teams could be balanced if their hp was no different than a regular gx pokemon (around 210-250 at most for cards like MagiLord). Zacian V could have been more balanced if Intrepid Sword made you discard all cards that weren't metal energy rather than just "draw 3 with a potential for energy acceleration as well". Brave Blade could also be more like the games and only do 230 against VMAX and maybe just 160 regularly. Then, Zacian doesn't even 1 shot Dedenne (cause of resistance) and has to have Altered Creation to be able to 1 shot 2 prizers. TLDR: The power creep can be dialed back if more serious detriments were added to abilities, HP, or attacks. The reason power creep is so out-of-control is because there are no serious drawbacks to the increases in power level.

@NOLOAF-AR 3 года назад

i agree so much with ur sentiments. it is rlly stupid that stellar wish jirachi can use stellar wish even when (asleep) :/

@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 года назад

OK this Pokémon cannot attack next turn, or you cannot use this attack next turn was a minor negative anyway. (just cut 10 or 20 damage and not even need this effect) Discard energy was huge draw back. But gains a lot more attack boost from normal Again how many hp/price give up have the new cards? 110.(stage one and 90 from tag team) single price Pokémon had 130... The problem is that when a single price Pokémon attacked lose all cards. So from single price need cheap attacks with ok damaged (120 from one energy or 160 from 2 is fine even if stage one).or even better huge combo attacks (90 damage x special effect) this was massive 300 damage. Not bad from single price attacker. And why not see tones single price Pokémon now? Adp kills them all. The rest cards is really balanced to my eyes.

@chazhartwayne6493 Год назад

8:56 OMG I used to play that deck back in the day! Loved it so much! 11:07 Was always fun to play against Yasmin with and against that Gyarados deck!

@tejjac5609 Год назад

I remember back in 2006-2007 when 150hp was a lot.

@PM-James Год назад

I think a possible solution to this would be to make their power conditional. For example, we introduce a new 2 prize pokemon called Sequence Pokemon or S Pokemon for short. Every S Pokemon can be played as basic but there around the same strength as a stage 2 typically is. Still 2 prize cards, has the rule box, all that. However, you also have the option to complete their sequence. You do that by playing Charizard S on a stage 2 Charizard. If you do there's a sequence complete rule box that says they get a HP and attack boost based on the number of cards under them (or in the sequence). Like Mewtwo S would have only 1, so it get +30 HP and +20 to all attacks, whereas Charizard S would have 3, so it get +90 HP and +60 to all attacks, something like that. You could also bring in stuff like Mega Mewtwo S, which could add to the sequence or let you upgrade directly from Mewtwo S instead, that kind of thing. Regardless though, they also get to use their S Power, which is their strongest attack or best ability. If you play a Pokemon S as a basic, it doesn't get any of that but you get to play essentially a stage 2 as a basic Pokemon. So you either get a good Pokemon quickly or wait a bit to get a great one. Also could effect whether you want to play stuff like Rare Candy too (no Charmeleon so only Charmander and Charizard are in the sequence now). I think that decision making would help a lot with the meta myself and make for some interesting strategies.

@leviwilliams9511 3 года назад

In addition to being huge basics with high consistency that take up little deck space, it annoys me that the most relevant Tag-Teams reward committing all your resources to a single card. Usually that would come with the drawback of having an empty board when that Pokemon is knocked out, but since ADP and PikaRom's attacks flood your board with energy straight out of the deck while also dealing high damage, there's essentially no drawback to focusing all your early resources on a single card. I think the speed of energy acceleration is another aspect of power creep that's spiked recently with cards like ADP, PikaRom, Welder, Zacian, and Tapu Koko Prism Star.

@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 года назад

We Had huge energy acc even before tag teams Malamar blastoise why not dragonite fire with blacksmith kiuway, even now we have energy exaltation on ability from water Pokémons and soon from grass But acc 3 energy whatever you want from deck while the attack also OHKO any single prise Pokémon and on ADP many gx Pokémons OK well is op.

@leviwilliams9511 3 года назад

@@dimitriskontoleon6787 It's true that there's always been big energy acceleration, I mean Blastoise has been rain dancing all the way since base set, but what I think has been subject to power creep is not so much the amount of energy acceleration, but the speed. All the Pokemon you mentioned were evolutions, which are inherently slow and inconsistent, and even with the two supporters, Blacksmith wasn't consistently online until late game, and Kiawe was only really a powerful option first turn, since it ended your turn immediately. Compare that to the cards I mentioned, which are all fast, consistent basics or turn one quick acceleration, and I think there is quite a difference. Take even Frosmoth and the new Cherrim for example, they can accelerate tons of energy starting turn two or three, but if PikaRom's already tag bolting or ADP's already ultimate raying, it's kinda too late. Anyway, I don't really think energy accel is at the forefront of power creep, I was just kind of mentioning it as an afterthought on top of my usual complaining about the design of Tag-Teams.

@MagnaDrake 3 года назад

@@leviwilliams9511 Agree. The problem lies in that Pikarom and ADP deals decent damage, enough to two shot other Tag Teams and VMaxes, sometimes one shotting squishy 2-prizers, while at the same time ramping many energy to the board. Usually when we see attacks that accelerate energy to the board, it either deals little to no damage whatsoever, or deal enough damage but doesnt ramp that much, never both until Pikarom showed up. Solgaleo-GX's Turbo Strike is a bit of an outlier, but it was on a Stage 2 2-prizer that itself need a whole lot of resources to set up.

@RainyNightGX 3 года назад

I am really glad that I played within the Golden Age of Modern PTCG. I went to hiatus after the release of Tag Team GXs and when I came back, dang this game is broken.

@colorific360 3 года назад

Really good explanation. Im making a Cube and balancing have been a nightmare, but in my investigation I've seen that I tent to pick attackers from the 2004-2011 and supporters from 2008-2011/2016-2018 many great abilities. Its awesome to see a graphic of all that information (hp/damage). Thanks! (I hope thay go down in hp and damage so single price evo can be great again. Morr opcion yo win!)

@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 года назад

Single price Pokémon is still good (some of them at least) Baned ADP format change a lot.

@justsomekirbowithoutamusta1852 Год назад

Single prizere still work for a cube and you can ask people to calc up/down the HP of some cards to balance them out, so you can still enjoy playing with the older/newer cards, though it is annoying to track them but well-made proxies with different HP/dmg can do

@JPRodri21 Год назад

Great video! Subbed.

@nightsider2705 Год назад

I mostly enjoyed the later XY era. I haven't played the game as much as many others but I can clearly say my fav deck I've ever played was Volcanion EX and era itself felt really great to me.

@piens51 Год назад

Intrested in pre gen 5 tcg? I know a place that alows you to play automated ptcg simulator with older cards made by fans. Good place to play old gens. (ex gen 3 block honsetly is the best deck diversity wise)

@nightsider2705 Год назад

@@piens51 idk. More interested in other TCGs in general and in case of Pokémon I'm also more interest to be able to replay the format I played back then, rather than another one.

@rossfisher5543 Год назад

great video!

@coreydopson2030 Год назад

The first 3 minutes of this video feels like the beginning to a high school presentation. Not a dig at you just an observation. I loved the video

@arkknight92 2 года назад

Yea I just got into Pokémon after not playing for so many years and man these new cards are powerful! The original charizard cost so much but would get killed so easily nowadays! Makes you wonder why it’s so much even though it’s so collectible. In mtg a black lotus came from the original set and would still be an amazing upgrade to any deck today. But good luck getting one. Cost as much as charizard psa10 lol

@ParacticoolGaming 3 года назад

My favorite 2017 decks are the Greninja Break and Alolan Ninetales GX and garbodor gx!

@DiegoDeschain 3 года назад

Amazing video.

@Penterror Год назад

Celio was right with the return of ex cards and a lot of them being evolutions

@gushernandez25 Год назад

The problem with Pokemon TCG is that it should focus more on typing than straight up raw power. If hope terralizing deals really good changes in the future.

@garrettpope9693 5 месяцев назад

great video

@phoenixfire7127 2 года назад

Looking at this after the release of VStars, what do you think the state of the game will go from there? Are we toning it down back to stage 1 and multiprizers that don't one shot each other, or are we still heading upwards in an unstoppable cascade of power level?

@emberpowertcg7692 3 года назад

Although i wasnt there to use them, i would love a return of three attacks on one or just ancient traits

@NOLOAF-AR 3 года назад

do pokémon not release with three attacks anymore? or even two attacks with an ability?

@emberpowertcg7692 3 года назад

@@NOLOAF-AR theirs been one or two with 3 attacks but all really bad and not nearly as interesting. i feel like Pokemon tried to appeal to a wider community of younger audiences by printing big flashy centerpieces and gimmicks, such as tag teams and vmax, over creative substance and thought (though i will admit, the early sets of s+m were really good, plenty of gx with roughly ex hp and nothing terribly broken.it all really changed with tag teams)

@zzeroara9511 3 года назад

@@NOLOAF-AR they're super rare now and when they do come out they're super lame. the last 3 attack card was during sun and moon and it was literally doo-doo. sadly, the meta for card attacks are a low-energy small attack that might have a small bit of support or utility to them, and having a second attack with 3-5 energy cost that often does good damage or mediocre damage with a decent additional bonus.

@brunoreis4455 Год назад

Another thing that annoys me deeply is how we have cards like alolan ninetales that is "imune against ex and gx damage" and balance out the game because forces the oponent to not relly too much on big damagers, but than a new set comes and than the game is like "Doesnt matter if V didn't existed back than, if it doesnt say V you're taking the hit" Like yo just make some cards that is completly imune to any promo card (V,Vmax,GX,EX whatever) so it gives counters and avoif promo card spamming

@danielpayne1597 12 дней назад

"This Pokemon cannot be dealt damage by Pokemon with Ruleboxes." FIXED. Git gud, Creatures.

@bruh.j4mes Год назад

I remember when I pulled my first Mewtwo EX (the one from the thumbnail). I was hyped asf

@jm505 Год назад

I think part of why the pre-TT GX era was so good was that there were numerous single prize cards that specifically countered GX cards. I’m optimistic that we’ll see more cards that target “rule box” Pokémon Will encourage variety and provide balance more consistently Into the future.

@MrPikawika4444 3 года назад

I enjoyed playing during the mega XY era, probably my favorite

@GahmConrad 3 года назад

Mine too

@falixlevrai Год назад

Mine too

@falixlevrai Год назад

Gx era is not bad but the tag team are the worst gimmick ever

@JusticeWllBSrvd 2 года назад

I know this is an older video but V-Stars are coming out soon and they definitely listen and made the right decision on bring down the HP.

@SkyFWWO 5 месяцев назад

I miss playing my slowpoke & psyduck deck so badly 😢 now I have to just discard grants and eggs in expanded for the damage plus some supporters, not as fun as it used to be anymore. I still remember my first deck which was gardevoir & sylveon gx that I had a mimikyu to copy stuff and sylvoir one hit ko-ing adps. That deck is long gone now since reset stamp got banned (i wasnt using it to make the opponent unplayable)

@zzeroara9511 3 года назад

They need to revert to Basics being support, and Stage 2s being really good and stage 1s being helpful and mediocre. Somehow, they were dumb enough to revert it to having basics being good and stage 1 and 2 cards being downright shit to meh. This is a very unhealthy meta. We are rewarded for being dumb simpletons using basics and punished with shit cards by using evolutions.

@matthewkuscienko4616 3 года назад

What you said is why I have taken to referring to tag teams as big stupid basics. For a basic Pokemon to have that kind of power really makes evolving Pokemon invalid; it's actually why I think that the new Hydreigon is not good: it has the ability to accelerate darkness energy, which is nice, but it would be much better on a basic Pokemon than a stage 2, of all possible things

@sabbagecavage5690 Год назад

Personally the saddest part of the power creep for me is the fact that stage 2 pokemon are simply not viable anymore, certainly as attackers, because the speed of games has increased so much that you can win a game in 3-4 turns. I loved what they did with the original GX pokemon and how you had to evolve them, and I personally think the main problem with tag teams is that they act as (ironically) one-pokemon shows, with cards like pikarom being able to accelerate energy and deal damage all on a pokemon with very high hp (for the time). Shadow rider calyrex, despite being a stage one, also seems like a one pokemon show, being able to accelerate energy really quickly to pair with a powerful attack, and act as the only required draw engine all while having HP that is so high they can comfortably sit on your bench and support. Attacking pokemon should have to be supported, and big attackers should stay as big attackers, not big support pokemon as well.

@Bionicleforever Год назад

thankfully they are reintroducing ex cards which evolve just like ex rs. So stage 2s will make a comeback.

@justsomekirbowithoutamusta1852 Год назад

@@Bionicleforever But they're powercreeping hard, again, the game will be more fun but Expanded will stay hell

@piens51 Год назад

@@Bionicleforever yeah here's hoping. Tought I dread another mid gen tag team kind of deal. Like gen 7 was not ideal but it sure was fun before tag teams put their fat asses down.

@bloodytyran9245 Год назад

I feel less bad for quitting the game just at the start of tag team

@superdonavanbrosgaming6206 3 года назад

Ngl thought best way to deal with that for me is to use cards that can destroy with 3 damage counters on a Pokemon. Good thing I play Magic the Gathering now. PTCG just looks like a permanent eldrazi winter

@NOLOAF-AR 3 года назад

they gotta bring back ex’s bruh 😂

@zzeroara9511 3 года назад

Vs are based around VMAXes. there for sure aren't going to be dynamaxing in the next gen. i think they aren't going to just use another random letter after gen 8, so this all together makes me think they might go backs to EXes.

@hijjak97 Год назад

Prophets, the both of you

@stizic 3 года назад

I think pokemon in the current state is the most relaxing tcg experience currently available.

@zeroset7402 Год назад

I just hope that the damage output and hp will stabilize itself at least if it isn't going lower. I don't see myself in 10 years doing 650 natural damage to a 800 hp pokemon

@slashuzumakigaming6765 3 года назад

As a new player,, thanks

@blastchaos4286 Год назад

26:12 Watching this for the first time in 2023 and wow, it turned out to be 100% correct

@kiraangle2823 Год назад

i started playing gx pre tag gx and even at the time i thought tag gx was just unreasonable

@KnightShade227 Год назад

I grew up w wailord ex at 200 hp being the craziest and most powerful card. weird now pulling 250-300+ hp cards.

@edelplays 2 года назад

TAG Team Pokémon was the real problem of power creep in a long time, big basics with huge amount of HP and crazy attacks. They were first kinda obligated to make Vmaxes more bulkier than TAG Team otherwise no one would use them (therefore no one would buy their new products) Now, a year later from the release of this video, we can see that TPCI made VStar Pokémon to tone it down the power creep that TAG Team made of: Evolution 2 prizers Pokémon with lesser HP than Vmaxes. When Vmaxes are gone from rotation (2 years from now) and all we have left are VStar, that's where the game can se it's Golden Age of Modern TCG again.

@user-cl3er5ln9t Год назад

so cool

@Penguig 2 года назад

When they broke the 300hp barrier I think that's when I stopped playing competitively

@lvnjsspdh Год назад

It’s funny how charizard decks in each gen had advantage an againts the mechanics of each, like example tag team era given a charizard who self get 2 energies per turn from the deck by getting two counters alike mix with the 1 per turn and additional to blender gets 5 and for his attack deals 280 to a tag team alike takes it down and even if that charizard was defeat will do it again the next one.

@user-kt4vn8le5p Год назад

I remember I used to have a Wailord EX card with 250HP. It was my pride and treasure. Now most GX and VMax cards outstrip that

@eduardydearaujo9457 3 года назад

100 hp on base set is very intuitive, the player can think like 100%. Pokemon's hp will be intuitive again when reach a 1000 hp base.

@LiggyWiggy Год назад

Looking at the new ex we might be kinda going back from the high ho and power we're at now

@29396 Год назад

going into the new ex/SV era how do you feel that they’ve handled rotation? judging by the video i think they’re slowly undoing the super strong tag team gx era by having the stronger mons being vstars or ex evos, but curious to hear your thoughts!

@ratdoto2148 Год назад

The reason power creep exists is the same reason VGC is doubles, it's for faster matches. It's better for making tournaments run smoothly. This is even more obvious because they seem to be dialing it back a little bit recently, as if they have found the sweet spot they want.

@ailemoonstream7505 Год назад

and then vstars removed the vmax and added really good abilities. Now they can keep lowering it going into the next series with terrastilization.

@MothFable Год назад

In my mind it all went downhill the moment we got sword and shield cards. Now if you don’t have several v max or v or whatever cards in your deck you can’t compete.

@yogolotsatono8866 2 года назад

i think pokemon thought making them 3 prizes would be a good check and it is clear that it isnt enough

@blackrosed8068 Год назад

BW Next Destinies was the set that changed the game forever. It brought back EXs and that multi-trade payoff for high hp basic has remained ever since.

@Mithoskrasnej Год назад

Hello, the Dark Gengrar and Feraligatr cards are from a set that came after Gold/Silver. Dark Vileplume card is correct.

@Connorcady0803 Год назад

Hey good video and information, small tip though, it seems like you created a powerpoint slideshow to present then did the script. things like "and here we've just got examples of... etc" sounds like you're standing in front of a boardroom or classroom presenting a powerpoint rather than an involved polished youtube video. small tip, just sounds like a presentation that you're recording sound to while you watch the video yourself or a powerpoint presentation

@CeliosNetwork Год назад

Thank you. This was an un-edited, unpolished video by design, as at this time in my channel I did not have the resources for scripting, editing, extra takes, etc so I did everything mostly in one take, off the cuff and powerpoint style. My channel currently features scripted videos more frequently.

@ephus_ 3 года назад

It’s interesting to think of the vmax Pokémon as the equivalent to mega Pokémon, but the check instead of spirit links is giving up three prize cards. Do you think they will just go with three prize stage two Pokémon? That is the current trend. Basic three prize, stage one, and then stage two three prize may be next. I hope not though 😅

@victortinoco5207 Год назад

what a liked about RSE ex era was that 1 prizers could take a hit from an ex pokemon and still live

@FranciscoJG Год назад

The decrease in HP on 2000-2001 was a feature limited to Dark Pokémon only, and many of them had an increased damage potential (compared to non-Dark Pokémon) instead of the game-changing Pokémon Powers. Light Pokémon were the opposite with slightly higher HP but lower damage in general (but usually more utility). Sadly the power creep destroyed that fun concept when Dark Pokémon were back in Team Rocket Returns.

@WyrmLimion Год назад

New Pokemon TCG player here. As someone with few cards, and very few EX/GX Basics, I found myself getting snowballed by everyone when I played games at the stores. I guess thats just Meta, but I couldn't help but look at my cards and feel they are all underpowered and I need to do what everyone else is doing and fill it with EX/GX. Bit disheartened really as I really like the evolution aspects.

@kyhellbillyify 2 года назад

I think with the new Vstars they are taking steps to reel it back in some.

@CeliosNetwork 2 года назад

yes!

@CopingContinuous 6 месяцев назад

Would love for you to do an update to this video!

@alfredoplascencia6067 Год назад

I remember how as a young age, I used to buy these fake Pokémon cards with hundreds for HP like 100-500. Like a magikarp would have 120 and legendary would be 500 maybe