How Sableye Broke The Pokemon Card Game

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The Pokemon Trading Card Game's history is rich with flavorful design, iconic characters from the franchise, and incredible stories about decks and cards. In today's episode of Should Have Been Banned, I review the legacy of Sableye from Stormfront.
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@hectorhernandez7472 Год назад

As a newbie I love this kind of historical content

@tilldill763 Год назад

Yes! Im a new player and this is so great :D Would not expect that card to make SUCH a great impact :D I even owned it as a kid but only collected back then

@roberto9270 Год назад

as someone who has never played it and don't intend to, I love this kind of historical content

@wurdofwizdumb1928 Год назад

Same. Been playing magic since 98. Quit last year and got into Pokémon. It’s weird but awesome not knowing everything about the game you play hahah. ❤

@octagram2955 Год назад

@@wurdofwizdumb1928 bro, if they have FFTCG in your area, definitely try it. It's Final Fantasy tcg, backed by square enix. It's super hard, makes MTG look like checkers to it's chess, decks get played differently and the decision trees are ridiculous. It's the hardest tcg I've ever played and you don't get mana screwed as often, 1/20 instead of 1/3, when you lose in this game you realize why and know things that could have been different. No more "oh well, that's how it goes." Seriously, insanely good. But few and far between in the states. So good luck I hope you get a chance to play this insane game

@jhonviel7381 Год назад

stop wasting your time on this, yugioh and magic are far superior card games arent for children, so maybe do some growing up to kiddo

@matthewdaley4403 Год назад

As somebody who was there at the Stormfront launch, I gotta say that that period was utterly wild. When Sableye started dominating everything, the sheer disbelief in the community was kind of shocking.

@Nintendan95 Год назад

Expert Belt was also ridiculous big value for Sableye donk too. Both a HP and a damage buff works perfectly for him, saves you a crap ton of PokeTurns and SSUs on Crobats.

@AlexH274 Год назад

I’m shocked he didn’t bring up Expert Belt. That’s my first thought when Sableye is mentioned.

@blackrosed8068 Год назад

This format really was like yugioh lol. Loops, ftks, degenerate negates and hand traps (power spray). The goal being your opponent not playing. Maybe that's why it was easy for me to pick up lol.

@decepticonmaster7702 Год назад

Sable lock reminds me of the first tier 0 deck, yata lock

@AusVtuber Год назад

@@decepticonmaster7702 Yata Lock was never Tier zero.

@PokeMaster22222 Год назад

What I find funny is that Sableye's "Overeager" here was later brought into the videogames, in the form of his Hidden Ability, Prankster - the gremlin can go first before everyone else, if he's going to use a status move (and I'd say "Impersonate" is a 'status' move, per se; doesn't do damage, but can buff you or debuff the opponent). Weird how things turn out, huh? Indeed, Prankster itself turned out to be problematic, so it received its own nerf eventually so that it doesn't affect Dark-type targets (...such as Sableye himself) and a few Abilities outright block all priority moves, including Prankster status moves.

@MagnaDrake Год назад

Overeager is definitely an ability that should have never been printed, but Impersonate, in isolation, can definitely be printed today. Give it a 1 cost energy requirement and a clause "You may use this attack if you go first" and its definitely a nice helper in decks that needs a lot of early set up. I wouldnt want it in a format that has Judge or Marnie though, that would totally suck.

@tranquil5892 Год назад

I remember hearing about the decision to switch to HGSS -BW so vividly. As a kid I couldn’t really afford new cards, and my machamp deck took me awhile to make competitive. When they rotated my whole deck out of nowhere, myself and many friends just stopped playing.

@VurrenAnimations Год назад

switching legal decks is just a normal part of TCG, and had been for a long time, so I really don't think it was "out of nowhere" ^^

@tranquil5892 Год назад

@@VurrenAnimations No, it was an out of nowhere rotation. Midseason, not the normal rotation, as he stated in the video.

@Kalazt Год назад

Not like it changes anything but Expert belt was in meta, leading to Sableye have 20 more damage easily reachable Thank you for making this video. This is somewhat bittersweet to remember these times as that meta was my favorite of all time. And since it got rotated out of worlds, I performed way worse I assumed It should have definetly be banned. That was one of the best games, not metas, I have ever played during that time. I wish the game was still as deep as it was back then

@NotSnapdragon Год назад

This video format is great! I hope we see more of it in the future.

@Rainos62 Год назад

yeah sableye definitely should have been banned. its like what happened with yatalocke in yugioh where you could lock your opponent out of playing the game. I think the rotating format is a way for them to avoid complete bans for the most part because yugiohs banlists are insane.

@mitchplz_ Год назад

I was literally just looking at this card yesterday, thinking of how crazy it was! I love sableye too haha

@eleemikolaj Год назад

Can I ask why you didn't mention expert belt? It was really key to a lot of those donk strategies at the time. It was a tool that increased the HP, and Damage of the Pokemon it was attached to by 20 in exchange for giving up one extra prize card for those who don't know.

@kinglou1908 Год назад

Because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol

@RGC_animation Год назад

That's like the most broken card ever geez.

@RGC_animation Год назад

@@kinglou1908 Of course, you know what you're talking about.

@kinglou1908 Год назад

@@RGC_animation yea I played competitive back then and how do you not bring up expert belt talking about sable. Most basics have 60 hp. Putting a single expert belt on sableye let’s you auto kill most basics with a single dark energy turn one. Most know him as sableye, but I refer to him as sablebeast lol

@VurrenAnimations Год назад

@@kinglou1908 see here's the thing, even if he should have mentioned that you don't need to be an asshole about it lol. if you think he did such a bad job make your own video

@cloyboy2493 Год назад

Luxray, Sabeleye, Honchkrow, my favorite deck from back in the day. Swept almost every cities I played in with those SP variants, what a great era

@anon-ud9mq Год назад

I remember going to the library every Saturday for the Pokemon group thing, where the games and cards were allowed. I was told there that you can’t use older cards, which was p much all I had, so I never got into the card game

@DKQuagmire Год назад

i can remember winning my first and only battle roads tournament in February. around the time the 4th HG/SS set was to be released/ legal for tournament play. (i think it was called call of legends). the tournament happened, despite the official pokemon announcing their rule change for the pokemon black and white expansion. however, black and white cards still hadn't even seen pre-releases yet, so the format was still using MD-on. I won the whole thing using HG Jumpluff!!!

@underplayer1927 Год назад

I'm almost 19 and just got into the pokemon tcg. I used to have a million and a half B&W and before era cards, but they were all sold in my middle school years. Seeing how old cards used to be insanely broken is super neat, and I'm excited to see how the game develops in the future

@crazycoder33 Год назад

I'm loving this type of content. Keep it coming!

@Neevkl_7 Год назад

And now he’s moved on to break Pokémon unite

@Cerebrosum Год назад

As someone who has never played the pokemon TCG, nor really know how it works, after giving Sableye even a cursory glance. Oh so it's a start of game effect that guarantees you go first? That's probably pretty strong. Ooh and it can tutor something into the grave too? And not only that but activate whatever it fetches as well. See already there even I could tell it's probably a bit broken. And that was before you told me the dang attack didn't even cost anything to use!

@Bored_Barbarian Год назад

I loved Sabledonk hah. Also Seeker to force bench Pokémon back to the hand so even if they had more than one basic it didn’t matter. You then seekered up your own Uxie

@billuminati3867 Год назад

Even better is in black and white it got prankster letting it go first with status moves, nice little nod to the tcg

@betchaos7383 Год назад

Sableye is one of my favorite pokemon. The knowledge that in the card game he was overpowered and had 3 moves that ignore basic game rules makes me very happy. Thank you for sharing this information with me.

@Morchunkis Год назад

More vids on past metas/cards like this please!

@willlozinak5182 Год назад

Very good video. I knew this existed back in the day but i started playing at stores right when it got rotated

@AENock Год назад

I teched Sableye in my SF Tytanitar deck. It had incredibly strong early to midgame either with the Sableye donk or SW Weavile fetching Dark energies to develop a Larvitar. Both strategies supported by GE Claydol was pretty disgusting. That deck was probably the most fun I've ever had with a tcg.

@CeliosNetwork Год назад

A lot of good memories with that Tyranitar. One of my favorite Diamond & Pearl - Arceus decks I have built is Tyranitar!

@epicness877 Год назад

Thank heavens this channel is finally beginning to take off!

@RahulReddy Год назад

Great video!

@ch5mist Год назад

i didnt know my favourite pokemon was this good in tcg, thats so cool

@CausticFoil Год назад

Sabelock still runs unlimited format to this day

@krungusoftheswamps3474 Год назад

As someone who plays Magic, this video was very entertaining and informative, great video.

@isaacunderhill9120 Год назад

I remember this card, and I loved it. I remember running 4x of it in a gyrados deck with no energy and often times I would be able to ‘dink’ and opponent and win turn 1. As a kid it felt like some true greatness haha, yeah retrospectively this card was broken

@aujoryClimbers Год назад

another format that sableye was the unlimited format, David Hochman (an active unlimited player) says the format revolves around sableye and if you don't include 4 you will auto lose.

@ColinPeterikMusic Год назад

More videos like this please!!!

@spideysensestimewasted3692 Год назад

I have a sable eye card i pulled years ago and in the back it had a special championships 2010 logo instead of a blue one

@user-fr9sm3it1k Год назад

and thats why its my favorite card and pokemon, sabledonk will always be goated in my heart

@lawtrixx3448 Год назад

After it's chaos in Pokemon Unite, Sableye has now broken the meta of two Pokemon spinoff games.

@oddonyx1755 Год назад

The only knowledge I have about pokemon cards is as a collector, but this video was still really entertaining

@CeliosNetwork Год назад

Very nice to hear that. Thank you for watching!

@YukeWeiss Год назад

I was there when Stormfront and SP cards reigned supreme. I could barely afford any cards and had to scramble together random decks and hope for good times. I was very much the same in that weird HGSS on format that I never particularly liked. The card almost singlehandedly saw us host Australian Nationals in MD-CoL format rather than the MD-BW format that a few Battle Roads used. I think today they would just have banned Sableye, but even then, those SP decks were so powerful with the Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums that the format I suggested (Rising Rivals on-) that something drastic had to really give. Good memories of this deck though. I teched it into a Dusknoir/Honchkrow deck if I recall.

@TheEpicDJ Год назад

Sableye is such a troll. Being the first pokemon with no weaknesses (until fairy type was introduced) then ruining tgc and now currently ruining pokemon unite. Can't wait to see where this ghost goblin goes next lmao

@JO-iv7tl Год назад

The mid season rotation hit me hard. I was grinding hard and was ready for nationals. Then the rug was taken from under me. Suffice it to say I'm on the fence about this decision. ( I wasn't playing a sabeleye deck at the time but adapted to the new pace of the game.)

@umiforce8152 Год назад

One of the first cards I ever owned!

@lister2147 Год назад

Still have my one and only overeager Sableye double-sleeved. Managed to score a lucky first turn win In the 2010 norwegian nationals as I started with Sableye :D It was one of the only cards that I had added to my store-bought Tyranitar deck. Was my 2nd (and last win) of that tournament. My opponent had a Gastly active, and decided to keep Uxie on hand for card draw. He even won the initial coinflip and was understandably pretty upset. I later heard that my opponent had been disqualified when he forgot poison damage while playing his next opponent

@aidanbrodieo 6 месяцев назад

This is coincidentally my last metagame deck I ever built while I still played competitively, when the B&W rules changed it was such a broken deck haha.. I was using Shuppet in this deck too before it got phased out, that one was also so fun for donking

@keithhall199 Год назад

I still have my dark deck that features this card. Using honchkrow lv X and Darkrai lv X

@Masamunezero Год назад

With a card like this, if it ruled the whole format with disgusting 1th turns wins and excessive control and lock down i would not have spend a dime on any products. And would have waited for a more healthy and fun format, to me atleast notting is more boring then to lose without even getting a chance to fight back. I can't wait for more pokemon card history ^^

@theoneandmanyanonymous Год назад

Sableye is broken in UNITE... Mega Sableye is banned to Ubers in Gen 6... Prankster(Sableye's HA) is excellent in VGC... And this... Are there any more places that Sableye is OP?

@Verlisify Год назад

I enjoyed a lot of the cards in Stormfront and came up with some fun Tier 2 decks like SF Drifblim setting up a Strange Spin Bronzong engine, but I didn't win often at locals because I didn't have the money for staples like rare candies, uxie, and claydol and couldn't have fun because of Sableye

@sablesalt Год назад

Lol

@steegen101 Год назад

I just beat the TCG video game for Gameboy Color on the 3DS virtual console, and I loved it. From my admittedly very fresh, noob perspective, this strategy relies on you drawing 3 Crowbat within that first turn. It doesn't seem super likely, and I can't imagine there was zero counterplay. Awesome video, though. I really wish some of these generations of the game were immortalized in video game format just like Gen 1's was. I wanna get into this game so bad but don't wanna go through the hassle of buying a collection or analyzing the current meta.

@logainwolfe1988 Год назад

This card ended the best regional run I ever had with the best anti-meta deck I ever built. RIP Magnezone/Machamp. 2 unown Q solo starts was the end of your run.

@greasygranpapy7529 Год назад

I used to play pokemon cards with a small group of not-so-serious players. Had a few of these in my darkrai level x deck. I used them for the cheap set up. Good times.

@Shinxed Год назад

Watching this i just realised how many cards i have from the dpp/hgss era. Might need to dust my old collection off

@rayemalice Год назад

aw man this brings back some great memories

@CeliosNetwork Год назад

Truly the glory days of pokemon cards 🔥

@Yinyanyeow Год назад

If using today's ruleset... There would be a shot to get rid of it but just one. Being able to use two supports a turn would be scary as Lt. Surge but just as evil. The other move can stay but make it work only on rule box Pokémon.

@arcticafrostbite617 Год назад

i remember having one of these.

@pretsal4955 Год назад

aw man, I have that card somewhere in a box. I had no idea it was so good...

@bossjack4225 Год назад

Bro I literally had this card and the machamp card and never knew how good they were. Wish I could find my old cards

@MegaMinerd Год назад

I was active in low-ranking events throughout Maryland and Virginia from original Diamond and Pearl to Plasma Freeze, and I think I only encountered this strategy once. I was kinda average I think, winning around half my games (until my last few events when I stopped winning entirely) so I presumably wasn't playing against a lot of super amazing decks in later rounds, but that still feels weird.

@thomasmurrell9832 Год назад

I actually used to have two copies of this card when I was a kid. But, sadly, I haven't played in YEARS and had gotten rid of my collection save for one of the annual world championship sets I got as a Christmas gift cause of the cool box and card sleeves it came with. So chances are, I don't have this one anymore lol

@Yetterz Год назад

Sableye has always been my favorite :)

@sirens4562 Год назад

Can you make a video about trainer cards from different eras you want to see reprinted in scarlet and violet sets?

@danielsimmich1858 Год назад

I’d love that! I love discussions about reprints

@BigR.O.B. Год назад

I love sableye, what a crazy little guy

@ChuuniKaede Год назад

Sableock is my favorite competitive deck of all time.

@thealientree3821 Год назад

Take a shot every time Celio says Crobat.

@Seanana_ Год назад

Nice theduelogs format ^^

@jksupergamer Год назад

*Card releases that doesn’t let the opponent play the game Pokémon: on no You gi oh: just another day

@blueheart9873 Год назад

I never played TCG but I had that Sableye card in my collection

@BlazinTre Год назад

You're like a combination of my to favorite Yugi-Tubers: DuelLogs and MegaCapitalG. Amazing info about what the card does and why it should have been banned and also showing decklist and TCG Performance. TBH I thought you were going to talk about the Junk Hunt Sableye but this is 100x WORSE. 😨

@Ulim151 Год назад

I played during that time and i have so many sableyes

@nzardoin Год назад

I’m a Yu-Gi-Oh player. I don’t play Pokémon. But this was an awesome video and I would definitely watch more.

@DuskoftheTwilight Год назад

"well, that sounds pretty bad, but surely interactions like this must have led to the modern rule where the first turn player doesn't get to attack as well as being banned from supporters." *Rules update now allows the first turn player to play supporters in addition to attacking* "...huh???"

@imalltheragex2000 Год назад

0:00 me being inexpirance in the history of the TCG, seeing the title stating that there was a Sableye card that should of been banned, and me being a person who's favorite pokemon is Sableye, just makes me weirdly happy :). it's like hearing that your favorite Yugiyo card that most people don't care too much about got a retrain that makes it OP or something idk

@jumpanama Год назад

You didn't even mention how it single handedly ended Pokemon's only other (at the time) format, vintage. Since all cards were legal, Sabledonk was tier zero and everybody stopped playing the format.

@tilldill763 Год назад

pls more videos like this

@scathachx Год назад

what the he-..I have that card from my very old set as a kid. Didnt know its dark potential. I always thought of it as weird since it said lvl.31

@ettoremari2434 Год назад

What happen if both the player have a sableye in the active spot at the beginning of the match?

@JoshuaPAMployee Год назад

Then the coin flip happens as it would normally as to decide who goes first.

@Pikana Год назад

I like how Sableye broke the TCG while in Pokemon Unite, he's absolute cancer as well.

@AtomicWaffle14 Год назад

I remember using this badboy to beat my brother on the first turn. Good times.

@checkdamon6459 Год назад

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE REMEMBERS THIS

@jozajab6849 Год назад

I own that card and always thought “damn that’s broken” every time I looked at it, but I never really cared about the tournaments and didn’t know that it was legitimately game breaking.

@thepoorgamou7974 Год назад

Yata-Lock: Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power

@magickarp_lol_3374 Год назад

its always good to know I have a crazy ass card i can use any time I want against friends who known nothing about tcg 😇

@MrGamemaker8 Год назад

This era of Pokemon was awesome

@rock85cool Год назад

Sabley needs more love. ❤

@Tman-sm9sc Год назад

As someone who never played the tgc, I don't think so because sableye is my favorite. I'm here for all forms of sableye dominance

@XLuxtra Год назад

Can we just take a reminder how cracked those Structure Decks were in Stormfront? Machamp, Sabely....Gyarados was a menace. I cant remember how much my Uncle stomped me with Machamp.

@bernieswim Год назад

I can think of a current Sableye I wanna ban, too.

@xcetrax Год назад

This is why I couldn’t play Regigigas during worlds in 2011. I’m still salty as fuck.

@Mitjitsu Год назад

You forgot to mention Expert Belt.

@Eli-sr6rz Год назад

Wow sableye breaking unites meta it didn’t know it already broke the meta

@wakatoshi6480 Год назад

I played this deck it was so so fun! Ik most ppl hated playing against me but damn was it fun to play test

@jeryjensen9892 Год назад

It was a solitaire game essentially for that half season b4 forced early rotation

@MasterQuestMaster Год назад

Can someone tell me why you win the game if you knock out the opponent’s Pokémon during the first turn? It was my assumption that you can also play benched Pokémon in addition to your active Pokémon, and then you would not lose to your active Pokémon being knocked out, right?

@teaminator2738 Год назад

As a 6th grader I used to play sable lock on my friends until they banned that deck. Diamond and pearl was so fun and so broken

@vollied4865 Год назад

Sableye exists: Tcg players: sigh here we go again

@davitrevisan8100 Год назад

Whats that card worth? ( on a psa 10 and also the 2010 championship version)

@decepticonmaster7702 Год назад

Yata Garasu 🤝 Sableye Both became very broken cards in very broken decks that prevents players from playing

@soulassassin0g Год назад

I like how the algorithm thinks I want to watch PTCG just because I watch MTG videos. Well, RU-vid, you're right but only because the "broke the game" part intrigued me as a fellow trading card player.

@SteveMartinable Год назад

I’m probably wrong but is there a Pokémon currently in the format that has the attack like impersonate?

@ericopenscards819 Год назад

The "Make it illegal to win on the first turn" mindset is interesting to me and I wonder how that would actually be implemented. I imagine the rule would look like "Attempting to win before your opponent can play will result in disqualification for reason of unsporting behavior." But really, what the rules should strive for is a game environment where lock-outs and turn one wins are impossible by the very nature of the game. You want interplay, you want a back and forth. Preventing too much action on turn one is one solution, but ultimately some cards are just bad ideas from a gameplay perspective and have to be banned. I like when they push the boundaries and print some crazy shit, they just have to recognize when they've gone too far.