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....I should not be near the brink of tears over a sentient trash bag, yet here we are.

Really incredible characterization

Hey sorry to ruin this but that backstory was fake it came up during when swsh wasn’t out yet. She’s just scientist that’s her only backstory

@@KrangtheMultion Oh really? I guess it just got repeated enough times that we thought it was true. I could have sworn I read it somewhere, but I guess I was mistaken.

@@vergilsonofsparda2350 yeah the damage had been done. There was no information of that backstory in the story or her league card

And he putted greninja-ash in the video

true

Probably because the anime isn’t really canon to the games

Because it would be based on the games

@@tyrannapusandfriends6254 but they can put gen 6’ protagonist: Calem

Also "I want more obscure trainers and less create a characters in it." But then istantly goes "I dont know/like these trainers we'll make a create a character."

@@sokumotanaka9271 "we need the weirdos" adds mostly bipedal humanoids

Doesn't add any gen 2 or 5 mons

@@SmellinDSyrup Tyranitar and Zoroark are proof that we do.

@@AutumnWoodham zoroak would be so cool as a character like Double from Skullgirls

Never forget

Vespiquen would be perfect as a puppet fighting.

Omg that would be epic

That's what I imagined too.

oh shit that sounds fun

that would actually be godlike

garbordor is gen 5

@@olah547 But Thorgi revealed Garbador AFTER he said that the only gen he could'nt fit was two, and he was talking about the base roster either way: which did'nt have any gen 5 mons.

Haxorus

This Gen 5 disrespect is unacceptable

@@rando9556 I agree. Gen 5 best gen. Or one of the best at the very least.

I counted it out and all 8 of the gens could have 3 reps. He could have had a nice spread but forgot about some of the gens and overstuffed others. Edit: Never mind one of them would have two. But still…

Whoa, he thinks just like the OG Pokken team and actively ignores Gen 5! Also, the fact that over half of the trainers in this game are from the 2nd half of the Gens

all characters from the first game should be in the second too, in my honest opinion. could add in on the diversity and would definitely bring in some returning players who just really loved their old mains

@@nickbaghead250 I don't think every generation need the exact same number of rep, for exemple I think it is logical for gen 1 and 4 to have a bit more reps as it hasthey have more iconic pokémon with a "fighting game" body type than gen 2 or 9, but every generation needs at least 2 reps in my opinion. But it makes no sens for gen 7 and 8 to have this many reps, they are both small generations with very few suitable body types and not the most popular.

@@artimist0315 My post wasn’t to suggest that perfect representation was needed, but that something close to it could’ve been.

And Mewto is still the most powerful Pokemon and the first legendary Pokemon in the series and is immensely popular, even today. That list got invalidated with just the exclusion of Mewto here.

Lusamine and Pheromosa would be an fitting pairing based on Pokemon Masters EX.

Yup

Buzzswole would've honestly been perfect

@@faken6252 Yeah but we already got our buff boys with Machamp and Incineroar. His poses could be a mechanic though. I went with Pheromosa because she is paired with Lusamine in Pokemon Masters. Tbh my first choices would be Kartana, Xurkitree, Nihilego, or Blacephalon.

I want xurkitree they would be a long ranged stun based fighter with decent defensive abilities but under average speed

For bace definitely there are no gen 2 and 5 pre dlc

Also for returning characters its literally 3 gen 1s and 2 gen 4s Also the fact that Braixen, one of the more unique and out there picks- being a middle stage Gen 6 stater- just gets replaced in this roster by a more popular final evo Gen 6 starter.

That’s kinda true ngl

For the record New gen pokemons are most likely humanoid, I agree with you there wasn't much of pokemons from earlier generations but for the valid reason

That was legit the point he explained why he picked said pokemon did you not listen?

YOOO

Sandslash and not Zangoose?

@@shadowangel6359 yea zangoose would be miles better

@@ItsYuhBoyyyy Plus gen 3 representation

@@Dairunt1 for me i was a bit bummed out that we didn't get a remake of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon : explores of Time, Sky and Darkness remakes since we got the first Pokemon Mystery Dungeon remaked

You’ve been Hood winked

There is XD for the switch

Me to

More Accurate: The least popular of the most popular Pokemon

thought similar when he said the same about Rillaboom, guess not a VGC fan

Also weird he said no trainer is associated with it when it featured in several of Giovanni's fights.

@Tiger Bee but Nidoking has never been his Ace pokemon?That title usually belongs to the Rhyhorn family

He did say he would consider popularity to a extent. Just that it wouldn't be the only factor.

I like that idea. You could also add Magikarp as a Dan Hibiki type character or Wobbuffet as a "no u" character. Maybe even Mr. Mime

I think Garbodor is funny enough

Thank You Mr. Fish.

@@Persephone_07 Phish is love. Phish is life

Mr fish

Who would you suggest for that role?

@@vergilsonofsparda2350 I meant more "weird shape" pokemon. Not four legs or humanoid. The closest thing here is Mimikyu. I think Palossand or Falinks would be cool!

@@thepikawott I know what you meant, I just wanted to know who you personally would add. Now that you mention is, I think Palossand would probably be the best choice for an inanimate object Pokemon. Either him or Vannilish.

@@vergilsonofsparda2350 I would include dhelmise and runerigus

@@shadowclaw7210 Oh, good idea. I was'nt thinking about those. Either one of them would be a good replacement for Chandelure.

Ah yes, 4nd.

"4nd"

Gen 6 was the only generation I didn't pick the Grass Starter. Though I guess GF decided to balance things out after Gen 5's only good starter design was Serperior so they made Gen 6's grass type the worst.

There was also an all Pokemon top 10

All I'm hearing is he won for a good reason XD

Yeah I agree. I was fine with the choices until Incineroar, and even then I was like "okay well he IS a wrestler so ig it's fine," but then he chose Ivysaur and i was like aahghghh

Greninja? Makes sense. Would be perfect for this game Incineroar? We already have Machamp to fit the archetype but would he good. Ivysaur? Bro wut?

That's right thought and I was in I think it's great if they were to put Battle bond in this series It's Lily you fighting alongside your pokemon at that point you expect a battle bond phenomenon to hit

@@techflame4302 Literally

But Anime series are non-canon for the main games but they can put the gen 6 protagonist calem

@@KartvelArca I mean true. But the fact that they put it in the game and literally kept the name “ash-greninja” makes him canon in a way. I mean it’s still greninja mixed with ash in name and design

Did people really forget about koga?

You beat me to it

I had an idea that im surprised wasn't throw out as an honorable mention The pokemon company has some unwritten rule of no stuff from the anime in the games I think it's crazy but if they were ever to break that rule If you do specific thing in the story/arcade mode then the meteor with deyxoys was in would be destroyed by Rayquaza just like I'm the games but the blue orb (I personally call it alpha Sapphire) from pokemon omega ruby and alpha Sapphire falls to ground *If you watched the pokemon ruby and Sapphire show you know what's coming next* and a random Pikachu picks it up and it takes control and that Pikachu is your new final boss in a form dubbed by the fans *PRIMAL PIKACHU* This thing has inspired tons of Wattpad fanfiction and angst oneshots in the pokemon fandom so if they broke the no anime rule it just seem right to start with this as a little tease too keep anime only fans happy and interested with the games As for how it would fight I see it as the games "absurd power but easy to ko" fighter which was originally filled by shadow Mewtwo the previous big bad so the new big bad having it should be fitting. It attack would include powered up version of moves it's know for like a energy blade type iron tail and a quick attack moving so fast you can't see it so it looks like it's teleports. And I mean come on.... It's a yellow character that shoots powerful energy blast and is currently supercharged, you KNOW that it's gonna have a super Saiyan aura for the entire fight. For the synergy burst mode it would have the aura increase as Pikachu would being to fly with so much electric power, it's attacks would now be gigavolt lighting, using it's electricity to magneticlly move things to throw at their foe and swooping down to deck you in the face, mechanically speaking to quote Cuphead, when you use this mode "it's time to double down!" These powerful moves would take away your health in synergy brust mode making the risk even higher but so is the reward. To finish it off for the brust attack it would give a "I'm done with you!" Look and charge forward and foe that get hit with be sent to the sky as primal Pikachu jumps to the foe as a apocalyptic level thunderstorm forms as thunderbolt randomly fire out of the storm dealing massive damage and finally the foe gets sent down in a powerful singular thunder bolt and from the smoke you see primal Pikachu stand on top of the wounded foe with a sinister grin then kicks them away letting them get up and resume the fight

He deserved to be in over Pika-Libre; we didn’t need two...

^^^^^

Neat suggestion. Maybe Bayleef and Lyra would be what you want?

Or maybe Carracosta over Lycanroc, and Piloswine over Froslass, all types still covered, all gens covered and a fossil Pokémon

Luke Deakin I kinda agree with you on the 1st one but froslass just rlly fits and I can imagine in the game just thinking about it

@@whipple1796 sure but we need a 2nd generation mon, and unless we want to remove, say Greninja for Feraligatre or Ivysaur for Bayleef, that's what we're left with

Luke Deakin replace both greninja and ivysaur

Mewtwo cannot be cut, and Pokemon has 5 types left for representation. There has to be more new Pokemon fighters. Edit: I'm refering to Smash Ultimate and not Pokken.

For sure

Zacian is overlap though

I would just add Mewtwo as an unplayable boss character. It may not help some people, but this would seem likely if all past Pokken fighters are cut aside from the ones returning.

if they made a sequel they would just tack on the roster. anyway, no reason to cut.

Persona 5 Arena would be dope!

I'm still waiting for a Persona 5 Arena video!! Edit: And since this year is like Persona 25th anniversary its the perfect year to think about this game

Persona vs shin Megan I tensei

I wish there was a timeline where the Demifiend, Raidou, Serph and the Persona and SMT protags could fight in their own styles. That would be so sick.

SMT Arena would be awesome! I know Catherine is sort of it’s own thing but image how Vincent could work with his building blocks.

I'd honestly rather go for the curve ball here and specifically pick either Alolan Meowth or Galarian Meowth

@@MrRedGreenBlue1 they could also make great skins for the game if they never make a playable appearance

You know what would be even cooler than Shonen Jump vs Capcom? Jump Stars x Super Smash Bros. Sure, it's not Goku in Smash, but it's the next best thing. I'm sure Sakurai would jump at the chance to make such a game if he could. I also don't really see the point of "Capcom All Stars". Like, isn't that just the vs. Capcom series? Sure, I guess trying to assemble all the biggest Capcom stars specifically gives them more room to breathe, but like... with a Capcom fighting game, that'd just end up being the roster of any given MvC game plus like 2 more Darkstalkers and like 10 more Street Fighters.

@@sterlingdragon123 no

I just want him to talk about jjojo my man. He made a reference to stands in the darkstalkers video. Us fans haven't gotten a jojo fighter since 2015. I just want someone to talk about a jojo game for an hour, is it too much to ask?

So, the money shot of Shonen Jump VS Capcom has to be Goku and Ryu having a Kamehameha VS Hadouken beam clash, right?

I disagree in this loss of interest. They won’t lose many fans by purging the roster, but they will gain many more who see their favorites get a chance to shine for the first time. However if they were going for lazy. Your way is the best by far

Why would it be lazy? Why would a company delete fully functioning characters just to make room for entirely new ones? That’s not efficient game development at all and for someone like me who mained Braixen, it would hurt not having her in the game more than getting another favorite of mine.

​@@HelpfulArtifact I see your point about lazy. I was wrong. However, I still agree with my point on redoing the roster. You and many others may be hurt by the loss of a character, but the average player will not stop playing simply because their main is gone. Meanwhile it is undeniably enticing too onlookers to see new characters and the more the better. Especially when the franchise is a Pokemon spinoff. Plus I am absolutely a defender of new move-sets. Sure a lot should stay the same, but I like having character movesets evolve. That typically doesn't happen when more than half your roster are returning faces.

@@HelpfulArtifact But it is lazy! People have called out Nintendo for years for reusing graphics in pokemon sequels. Not doing something just because it's "not efficient game development" is the very definition of lazy game development! A new game should be a new experience imo, and extending a game should be reserved for DLC. Also more != better. You often end up with really gimmicky characters because the devs ran out of ways to distinguish characters.

I think keeping fighting games' rosters consistent is normally important, but I feel that Pokkén functions so well as what it is that making a new entry with almost all new Pokémon wouldn't feel like you lose the old ones, but a new installment. Sure, I'd miss Croagunk and Scizor (my mains), but I can always go back and play Pokkén 1. A completely fresh take would have higher potential to be a better game and would bring people back to the old game as well as to the new game.

That would be super interesting as no bird-shaped pokemon have been in Pokken yet! EDIT: Just realized Decidueye and Garchomp are fighters, but still. Decidueye is more humanoid than bird-shaped; and Garchomp, while kinda being a dinosauroid, is really just garchomp-shaped. it would be super interesting to have Tyrantrum as a fighter as he wouldn't have use for his arms

Yeah, it got uncomfortable real quick

Yeah, definitely.

Well at least it isn't gen 1

Literally like no gen 5 mons. We could’ve had cool picks like Clay and Krookodile or iris and Haxorus but nope.

@@3eazy350 Gen 5 got 3 dlc mons at least, but no Gen 2 or 5 mons in the base roster does feel weird.

Since no mention was made of trainers for Zeraora or Rillaboom, I'll see what I can think of. Since Zeraora is an event Pokemon, it doesn't have any Trainers specific to it, aside from an anime-original character named Dia, so either him or an Pokken-original trainer. Rillaboom would go well with either the Galar protags Victoria/Gloria, or Professor Magnolia since Thorgi has Sonia paired with Zacian.

Why "no trainer" for Vespiquen? Aaron literally uses one as the gen 4 Elite 4 This guy clearly has limited knowledge in POkemon Universe

@@MicroBihon because he didn't think any of the trainers who use it are iconic enough, to the point where he couldn't remember Aaron's name

@@agenthappypotato868 for Zeraora, make it an original trainer, who is just a Super Sentai/Anime protagonist

Alan for zard

Vespiquen in particular feels like it would be a super interesting fighter depending on how we intergrare her orders and combee (like imagine if she quickly summons a wall as a defensive option)

It's Sand Stream ability is pretty iconic at this point, it could work well in the field phase as a buff: by successfully parrying enough hits, Sand Stream would activate and its speed would increase, rewarding the player with a versatile option to escape pressure. Even though I'm not particularly fond of Ttar, who wouldn't want to play as Poké-Godzilla?

BTW when’s Part 2 of your PTE roster video coming out?

I too would like to see a Jump Force 2 roster idea, keeping the franchises from the first game while also adding new ones that fit the idea of the game as well.

Cartoon networks:punch time explosions I would like to see because I feel like the characters fit the smash bros style fighting unlike PlayStation all-star battle royal I feel like PlayStation could have a MVC style of fighting and I would like to see a marvel only fighting game (even though I do like MVC games) why a marvel only fighting game because there were rumors netherrealm maybe making marvel fighting game and from a business perspective they maybe need to change it up since when you look at the release of the game so yeah I feel people would expect it to happen so I think maybe for the game awards edd boon show up say that her is injustice 3 but it show marvel logo instead and show a bit of the story mode and gameplay in it everyone would freak out during this.

say despite these characters would fit in the CArtoon Network punch time explotion sequal, but do you think brock samson or the monarch as playable characters?

Wold be better a new franchaise of jump games like a spiritual sequel of jump ultimate stars/ D.O.N. Battle stadium or maybe a jump game made by arc sis, because jump force have a philosophy about not include comedy mangas and only chose popular or mitical franchaises in a specific part of the world this fact reduce the number of weird picks that can use and like in the original game saturate the roster of popular franchaises like dragon ball, naruto, one puece bleach etc

Ridley- I mean Regigigas is too big for Pokken

Are you suggesting they take an aspect from a late-90s/early-00s manga adaptation just to make an off-the-wall moveset that doesn't make sense in any other context?

@@fictionfan0 That would be interesting and they have done crazier so sure, I think it could work

@@jackstar7204 That was one of those questions that didn't require an answer.

True, but he doesn't really have a connection to Greninja, I would prefer Koga to have a Crobat anyway

Kogas a poison trainer ya clown.

@@CloverPandaQ He also used a foretress man

Thorgi: "I don't think any established character can do him justice as their trainer" Ash Ketchum: "Am I a joke to you?"

@@DragonNinja20 It funny he didn’t think of the character who’s most known with Greninja

Hmmm... One of two puffballs, or third-stage pure muscle.

Same here, dude! I have been thinking about that as well. I just hope we'd get an episode of that where it would make up for the last PTE installment.

yes

That game is perfect check my channel for some matches lol

I kinda wanted to see Onix but same problem, geodude might be better, or maybe Hippopotas

Funny thing is that the Pokedex lists him as being only a little over 11 feet or 3.5 meters. So he actually should'nt be too big to fit, just a bit bigger than the rest of the roster with some liberties being taken. I doubt the current Pokken roster is 100% up to scale anyways, so I'm sure they could get away with making Groudon slighlty smaller than usual if they needed to.

Way better than what this guy offered

I can see N having either Zoroark, or if you wanted a deeper sidestory, maybe Ghetsiss old Hydreigon, and that would fill in for all gens.

@@ArkaSaurusRex218 Honestly could see Zoroark as a Pokémon who uses the opponents moves for incredibly unique combos, whose gameplan differs a lot in match-ups. Only issue would be balancing, as that sounds incredibly broken.

Also will add to this, there should be more returning reps, maybe even EVERY one of them returning. This game has insanely well designed characters that make the game, well, diverse. Supports open it up even more. As an example: You can run Eevee/Frogadier with Machamp to help you approach and to do INSANE damage, or you can do Mega Rayquaza/Mimikyu to do unblockables or hard punish players for doing a projectile as an example and set-up oki. The options are already so diverse and ESPECIALLY WITH THIS ROSTER FROM THE VIDEO many archetypes are left out, and Pokkén DX already fills them with insanely creative characters.

i get this reference.

@@sterlingdragon123 as do i

Ah yes, wham ghost

@@bertiec3455 Don't you mean Wonk?

Silvally and Gladion would be amazing with this idea. I hadn't considered Genesect being paired with Colress since his main pokemon is Klingklang.

Oh 100%

Don't forget he's already in smash

Honestly I would've cut Greninja and kept Sceptile due to the fact Greninja's moves, and combos in the dual-phase including having the Inzua Drop as the grab technique are all copy-paste of the moves and combos Sceptile had for the dual-phase. If we really needed a 2nd shinobi/ninja on the roster I would've gone with putting fan-favorite Gen 7 Bug/Grass type Lurantus in as the kunoichi of the roster mostly besides possibly getting moves reminiscent of Kasumi from the DOA series including having the whole teleporting via cherry blossom petals as a win animation her dual-phase moves, and combos including the grab would've been different due to her scythe-arms.

I guess he wanted to steer away from the anime for some reason

@@vergilsonofsparda2350 doubt it. A big reason why he included Iris was because she was in the anime

@@indeed260 I'm pretty sure it was because she's the champion of Unova in Black and White 2 and before then was a gym leader. Who else would be a better pick as a Haxorus trainer after all? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remeber him saying anything about the anime for her.

@@vergilsonofsparda2350 he did say that was a reason 55:54

He was my main as well. Rip KFC Boi

Replace Charizard, it doesn't need any more exposure

Fr tho, he said Machamp was the Ken of this game. Blaziken was right there bro

I think both would be amazing, but as soon as he said professional wrestler I thought Hawlucha.

Ninjask and Accelgor

@@Nosretep Yes Accelgor! ...and Ninjask is cool too

@@Nosretep accelgor? I mean i get hes kinda of a Ninja but is he the definite most popular pokemon? No, its not about Greninja being in Smash, its about him being the most popular pokemon ever from the most recent and most accurate (due to many, MANY voters) poll for Pokemon. But i do agree about Decidueye but the roster needs individuality, and Incineroar is perfect for a grappler type character, with only 24 slots he cant just add any Pokemon, and its much easier to use Pokemon from smash do to their already made movesets allowing people to easily allow their fighting style to be seen, not to mention smash is much more popular then Pokken currently so adding pokemon from there can bring some smash players who main such characters to play the game. Remember we're not making a dream roster, we're making a cool roster that will also sell well. And trust me, i think people would rather buy the game with the most popular pokemon on the cover rather than.....Accelgor. And ninjask too. Plus we already have multiple not so popular Pokemon oddballs in the mix for variety

@@stephancrow8320 I honestly never cared about the dumb frog.

@Mizuki Rashoujin Yeah yeah, I hate myself too.

What about Sonic Battle?

@@akluv2403 Oh gosh, how did I forget Sonic Battle was a thing?

What about adding sonichu to the roster?

Ya might want to check out Sonic Smackdown. Pretty good fangame.

Look up sonic smackdown.

I prefer turtwig to Ivysaur. I am an Ivysaur fan myself, but he’s in smash, I need me some fresh blood.

hello stripe from irken empire

@@alabamii Hello Alabamii from also irken empire

It would be awesome if there was a stage based on the Detective Pikachu movie, where the entire arena is on the back of a giant torterra

That’s a great idea

I have an Idea similar to you for Pyroar where he could switch between Male and Female Pyroars in the Pride

So, Thorgi shoots down Urshifu as a stance fighter because evolutions don't work that way, but you think Lycanroc, whose evolution works similarly, would still work?

that's... not how evolving works.

@@derpylemon852 It doesn't really matter in a spinoff game. It wouldn't be good if the type effectiveness chart came into play, right?

That would be cool!

THIS

I'm actually working on a roster and so far the characters I think are complete. I've kept 6 of the returning character and added 12-13 newcomers to a total of 18-19 playable characters. Not going into detail about why I added them but if this comment does well or if you and other people are curious then I'll edit the comment and explain why. The 6 returning are: TankMan, Pico, Hank, Fancy Pants, Alien Hominid, and Salad Fingers. 12-13 newcomers are: The Chosen One, Edd (Tom and Matt as echo/alternate costumes), Dad n Me (or Dad), Bitey, Henry Stickmin, Glidedguy, Ula and Margo (working as Pyra and Mythra where you could change the character), Tarboy, Geo, Ami (Geo and Ami are from the Gwain Saga series and I think just adding Geo doesn't feel right because if you're going to add Geo, you're going to need to add Ami because there like peanut butter and jelly but she will be a separate character with unique moves). And the new one, guest characters but only 2 and this one was difficult. So the last two would be Killer Bean and Double King. So in this sequel of Newgrounds Rumble, I've been working on for the past few weeks are: TankMan, Pico, Hank, Fancy Pants, Alien Hominid, Salad Fingers, The Chosen One, Edd, Dad, Bitey, Henry, Glidedguy, Ula and Margo, Tarboy, Geo, Ami, Killer Bean, and Double King. Again, if you want a full detail on why I added these characters just comment down or if this comment does well. I won't respond quickly but I hope that this is a good roster for some people and don't worry. There will be DLC and all of the OG from Newground rumbles to return...but not Henchmen and Convict. Convict I think works better as an assist trophy/assist and Henchmen as a costume for Hank because although henchmen is a cool troll pick, as a roster this small it isn't worth it for a whole slot.

​@@tariqshehata1221 I was also currently working on a roster of my own about this. It feels a bit big in hindsight, but some of the characters I have might not all be present if it ever becomes its own game. I selected my character by setting up four different categories that have four fighters with four unlockables in each one, totaling up to 32 fighters in total. Legacy: Characters that have been created by Tom Pulp, The Behemoth, and/or represents Newgrounds Iconic: Characters that made a big impact on Newgrounds Newcomers: Characters that have made a recent appearance on Newgrounds Re-Release: Characters that have made game releases outside of Newgrounds I won't detail every character, but here are a few that I chose and why. John Egbert from Homestuck: During the release day of [S] Cascade, a Flash animation update of Homestuck wrapping up Homestuck's fifth act, many fans tried to watch it at the same time that it temporarily crashed Newgrounds. It goes to show how iconic Homestuck was back in 2011. Boyfriend from Friday Night Funkin: This is a no-brainer. FNF is currently the most popular Newgrounds game of the year. That practically means something for this newcomer of a release. Meat Boy from Super Meat Boy: The newest game, Super Meat Boy Forever, released recently and would make sense to include. I would also have Bandage Girl as an alternate skin since both MB and BG played similar styles from the two games they appeared playable in. Arza from Defender's Quest: Looking back at the roster of the first, it bummed me out with the lack of female characters in it. I added some extra female characters in this. I also wanted to include some characters from very obscure games that people might have forgotten about. The game is currently coming soon to the Nintendo Switch and a sequel is in development.

@@mojonoahgamer5647 This really makes me want a sequel so badly. I've already had the idea of Meat Boy and Boyfriend as playable characters on a free update/DLC but Arza and John Egbert sound like great picks for weird characters. I love weird/obscure characters or characters that I've never heard of before. Wanted to add 18-19 characters in total (but will be more for free updates/DLC like Super Smash Flash 2) because I wanted to have 6 returning and add 12 new characters. 32 does sound good but I had to make it as unbiased as possible and it was difficult. Yeah, there are a few biases in this list but it was tough. So if you want my reason why I added the newcomers: The Chosen One: The iconic character in the stickmen animation of all time Edd: Again an iconic character like The Chosen One and I'm definitely adding Tom and Matt as alternate costumes Dad: I added him because I knew if there going to make a sequel someone is going to add Dad because he has been in most crossover/cameos Bitey: Again with Dad, if there is a crossover, he will be added Henry Stickmin: This dude is popular alone because of youtube and I think will be the most unique character in the game Ula and Margo: Was considering adding ENA in the base game until I realized that Ula and Margo are aliens and there is a character that has the first name called Alien and for that alone makes too much sense to add them in the game but I'll let them play as Pyra and Mythra. Let them have the same attacks but different hitboxes and special attacks. Also, need more female characters Glidedguy: This dude is literally the RYU of animation. He has a series that literally has Vs. It's like he fits in a crossover game Geo: Again, he just screams "put me in a crossover fighting game" and he used to work with the Jamcaves which used to have fair ties with Newgrounds so that's something. Ami: I know it sounds weird to have another rep for Gwain Saga but Ami and Geo are like peanut butter and jelly. If you're going to add Geo, you're going to need to add Ami. Also again, we need more female characters and...Newground rumbles have a lot of characters that are not "heroes" in a way but there more of just characters that are psychopaths or edgy which is fine but I think having a character that is cute and wholesome I think would make her the most unique. Tarboy: I was considering adding him for DLC but I realized that Fancy Pants fight against an ink version of himself so I think for that alone he stays base game and I would add the creator James Lee as the announcer of the sequel because James Lee sounds perfect as the announcer Now the guest characters Killer Bean: Do I really need to say more, just have Killer Bean fighting or teaming up with Hank alone would be cool Double King: Wanted to add a weird pick so I added Double King and also I think he fits and feels like a Newgrounds character. Ok not going too deep in DLC except that I would bring everyone back (except for Convict and Henchmen), add characters that are fan favorites, iconic, legacy, guest characters, and the weird picks. And a fan ballot of the top 5 characters to join the series. But if I was in charge of the DLC, I would pick the last three characters to be: Auditor (Madness Combat), Luna (Gwain Saga), and Piconjo, and their trailers would be them defeating the heroes and laughing that they control Newgrounds. Yeah and I'm not even done but I'll stop here because this is getting way too long. Again great picks and I would love to hear more. But it's getting late in my time zone so good night and take care.

Yeah I feel similar. This is especially important from a business standpoint because ther are quite a few Pokemon fans that only like a few generations, so giving all eight of them a decent amount of reps would help the game to appeal to a larger group of Pokemon fans.

@@vergilsonofsparda2350 Mhm. This was definitely a problem in the original Pokken as well, VERY Gen 1 and 4 weighted, but when you strip the roster down to only 5 veterans, seeing the same thing arise was a bit of a hit.

Agreed. Also Machamp as the final returning Pokémon but you cut Blaziken who was already determined by the fans to be the "Ken" to Lucario's "Ryu" in Pokken Tournament, also you cut Sceptile who was already in the Pokken Tournament roster as the ninja of the roster, and replace him with Greninja uh yeah that's a problem as many many fans are going to point out that many many of Greninja's moves and combos especially in the dual-phase including the grab are a blatant copy-paste of the moves, combos, and grab Sceptile had in the dual-phase.

@@derrickhaggard Well Greninja I understand including. He's THE most popular Pokemon so it only makes sense. Plus, Machamp is a better pick imo than Blaziken just because he screams fighting game, and was one of the big stand-outs from the first Pokken. And I say this as a Blaziken main and someone who has Blaziken at the top of his favorite Pokemon of all time list. Besides, there are ways to make Greninja different from how Sceptile was in a more in-depth roster analysis than this was.

@@vergilsonofsparda2350 I'm fine with Greninja as long as he isn't a blatant copy-paste of Sceptile.

The thought of Geodude chucking mons like Machamp and Metagross around makes me chuckle lol.

> Whitney Do you want to traumatize people?!

@@ZeroRoyale I still remember fighting her in Soulsilver. Whenever I think about going vegan, I remeber her Miltank and quickly change my mind. The only thing that traumatizes Pokemon fans more is piano music You know why

@@ZeroRoyale yes.

Out of the four, Miltank and Whitney seem the most likely and is recognizable for better or worse. Also Miltank needs to have rollout in its moveset to really bring the bad memories.

Same.

ok furry

ok furry

I'm just pointing at facts from the Pokédex itself :P

@@luisadolfothewolf7042 sorry dude

You apologize, like calling someone a furry, or being one itself was a bad thing...

As a huge Golisopod fan, Vespiquen is a great pick that will have a unique feel compared to any other fighter here. I would love to see some kind of Emergency Exit combo breaker/dash out with invulnerability frames to keep golisopod unique in that he cant be trapped.

Both Golisopod and Vespiquen was neat choices. Golisopod can fight like a hit and run fighter and I wish that Vespiquen is a puppet fighter instead of a zoner.

He did bring up urshifu single strike as a secret fight/unlockable player. I am in agreement that he should on the same level as the fight against Akuma in Tekken 7.

Sad that we'd never have that new Terrordome game

The problem with ditto its would be hard to made in a 3d graphics figthing game, in this case works better like eleven in sfv

What where you see that

@@oliviermartineau8045 If i remember correctly, ot is said that zacian and zamazenta are brother and sister in the pokedex entries

@Murasaki Nakoruru hhmmm not sure

@Murasaki Nakoruru aw shit not you again

it's not the only one. latios, latias, heatran and cresselia have confirmed genders aswell