Divisive albums that had people more split than a M. Night Shayamalan film. What side do you land on, and who should I add in part 2? Thanks for watching! Smash that 👍 Small correction: The Black Album is Metallica's 5th album, not their 4th, I misspoke!
Yes please do a Part 2 here are a few ZZ Top - "Eliminator" (1983) Genesis - "Duke" (1980) or "Invisible Touch" (1986) Yes - "Tormato" (1978) or "90125" (1983) The Kinks - "State of Confusion" (1983)
Insomniac. I believe that nowadays most Green day fans love it (for me it's absolutely their A game) but for some time It was pretty much forgotten as a dookie b side.
I love how Kid A went from being a record that polarized its audience and critics alike and being claimed a “misstep” for the band to being hailed as one of Radiohead’s finest records. The turn - around is real.
Some albums need and deserve more listens than others, that's progressive music in a nutshell. I lean more metal but i can appreciate the risk taking for a band as big as Radiohead
I might be the only person on the internet who doesn't like Kid A, aside from Everything in its Right Place and Opitmistic. You're not allowed to critique post '90s Radiohead.
@@brandonhensley4335 that's not true at all ain't it? King Of Limbs still gets shit on daily and Httt and Amnesiac definitely aren't short of things to critique about, even if they're really good albums
Folie a Deux is definitely my favorite FOB record - while it was divisive upon release, it’s definitely grown on most fans and I’m glad to see that others now love it like I have
@@dan_mnght I don’t get why people hate on Mania so much…it was a totally different sound but that doesn’t make it a “bad album”, just not everyone’s taste. In my opinion AB/AP is the worst FOB album because of how basic and commercial it sounds. Mania at least tried to be something different and the musicality is actually great if you look at from a different music genre perspective. That’s just how I see it though I guess. Agreed Folie is my favorite album though
A thousand suns would've been highly regarded if any artists not named Linkin Park made it. The disrespect they got from Music press and publications were insane, sad that it only shifts after Chester's passing.
I'm not sure if that's true, critics actually reviewed it pretty well for the most part, compared to Minutes To Midnight, Living Things and One More Light
@@skskskpost8852 well Kid A was also panned when it came put in 2000; only now is it being lauded as a masterpiece. The reviews on ATS back in 2010 were polarizing but they still leaned more towards the Positive side.
I expected A Thousand Suns to be on here. I've been listening to that album a lot lately and it was an album that was well ahead of its time. It's one of those albums that takes you on a journey from beggining to end. Glad to see people are coming around and appreciating it. Right now it's my 2nd favorite Linkin Park album.
I also love this album. For me, it’s comparable to Interpol’s 2010 self titled album. They changed into a more calmer, but refined and mature sound, just like Linkin Park did.
@@Onyyyyyx A Thousand Suns is a record that just wisps you away from reality and takes you on a journey. I usually listen to it on a plane or if I'm on a trip. It's not the kind of album for rocking but it is the kind of album that can help you escape reality.
I remember "Signals" coming out in 1982. I was in high-school and all of us Rush fans were divided over the album. I remember the heated arguments (Why synthesizers? Who writes a song about the Space Shuttle? A song about growing old? Why not Moving Pictures II?) that quite a few of us had at the time. I was on the side that really liked "Signals" and ended up taking several "Signals" albums, cassettes and 8-Tracks from those who did not want the album. Thanks for bringing up those great memoires!!
I got into FOB kind of late, so it's so wild to me that Folie was so divisive. It seems like a pretty natural progression in hindsight. I want to go to the alternate dimension where FOB's post-hiatus career was in Folie's style instead lol
Well their two new songs are more like Folie, they said that the new album is supposed to be like something they released in between folie and save rock and roll
What comes to mind for me is Adore by the Smashing Pumpkins. It sold well but the shift in sound seemed to have really divided fans from what I've read even though the songs and the album as a whole is quite good. Still better than Zeitgeist imo.
It turned out quite well, it just wasn't what people expected to hear from SP (including me). As I recall, Corgan said it was a very personal album of ideas he'd had for a long time, and felt the time it was released was probably the best time to do it due to the SP lineup change. I always felt that if it had been released by someone other than SP, it wouldn't have garnered so much hate. "Adore" is one of my favorite SP songs.
Is nobody gonna talk about One Hot Minute? Honestly it's my favorite Chili's album (without John on guitar) and it has some really fantastic songs. I love how groovy and funky 'Aeroplane' is and 'My friends' is one of my all time favorite chili peppers songs.
BAD RELIGION- Into the Unknown (1983) Not knowing their band would become a punk franchise Bad Religion abandon hardcore completely in favor of a Euro Prog approach for their second album! It has never received a stand-alone reissue but I think today's BR fans should hear it for themselves and make up their own minds!
I remember hearing The Catalyst when it first came on the radio. The radio hosts were all hyping it up when it was gonna premiere and when it finished they were like what was that
Kid A was definitely an album that divided fans and critics alike, it was the album that no one was prepared for. Admittedly, it took me 10 listens to get into, I hated it at first but gradually I started to become more and more intrigued by it, and once I began to understand what its influences were (krautrock, "Bitches Brew"-era Miles Davis, Brian Eno, Aphex Twin, Autechre), I understood that they wanted to go in a completely different direction to what they did before, even if it meant potentially alienating those that expected another OK Computer.
I think that Dangers Days by MCR is definitely a good contender for part 2 Most MCR fans either love it or hate it . I think that the album has definitely grown on me . Also I will definitely have to go back a delisted to A thousand Suns , it’s been a while and at first I didn’t even listen to the first actual song
i love danger days i think its super underrated. i like that it doesnt sound like the rest of their discography & proves they have it in them to try different sounds. as much as i love the black parade, they would have tanked their career trying to create another black parade. overall i just think danger days is a really fun listen if you appreciate it for what it is.
@maddie anderson how can you not jump in excitement to save yourself I’ll hold them back and Nananana . And songs like the only hope for me is you and kids from yesterday have me belting the chorus everytime , and not to leave out summertime. It’s a fun album you could tell they had fun making
While I respect ypur level of appreciation, the first two My Chemical Romance albums were too good for me to accept easily, how much they changed. I had but The Black Parade was a lot for me to adjust to. After that, I felt like there was so much music out there that I had to take a long time to do it a second time, adjusting to Danger Days
I would include Solar Power by Lorde here. At the end of 2021, I saw the album in someone's "best of the year" list and in another person's "worst of the year" list. Both people wrote for the same website. If this isn't the definition of polarizing...
3:49 "Folie à Deux was a full-throttle blessing that I didn't think twice about adoring" THIS. As someone who wasn't part of any kind of music fandom scene at the time (I was 8) and didn't get into Folie à Deux until like 2019, I genuinely had no idea that it was polarizing before this, because it's such a masterpiece and it's easily my favorite of theirs. It never even crossed my mind that people might not like it.
As a huge RHCP obsessor, I've always sang One Hot Minute's praises. It goes SO HARD and I love how we got to hear the band do this sound even if they were struggling personally at the time - glad things got better. "Shallow Be Thy Game," "Warped," and "Deep Kick" are highlights for me.
The Chris Cornell one was definitely an odd shake up. What I don’t understand is why they didn’t keep the “rock version” of Long Gone as an album track or even lead single. While poppier than what he had done previously, that version of the song is great and would’ve fit right in with the 2000s pop-rock sound.
Folie a deaux is easily fob best record imo. It’s a damn near perfect album, with great song after great song n the worst song being top tier fob still. The transitions and the grandiosity is amazing and is a fitting end to the first half of their career.
Linkin Park’s Minutes to midnight was fairly polarizing due to having alot of softer rock tracks and little rapping. But their most controversial album of all would be their final pop record One More light, which was hated by practically the entire rock community to the point that Chester angrily responded to the backlash several times which didn’t help, though perception softened significantly once he passed
I remember when Folie à deux came out, I didn't think of it as them selling out, but more of something as a sign of goodbye but fortunately it was more of a hiatus. I'm glad they have a harder sound now on their upcoming 2023 album! I'm happy for them and for the emo-loving kid in me. :D
Slipknots the end so far for a more recent one Some people think it’s the best thing since Iowa Some people think it’s the worst easily Some people think that it’s just okay
When I was in junior high while save rock and roll was coming out, my cool cousin let me know that the best fob albums are all the way up to and including folie. Glad I was able to listen to all the first albums before mania came out, so I could know their pop punk sound
I saw PJ play in the UK on the No Code tour in '96, and they played fewer songs from the album than from Vs or Vitalogy. They hadn't toured the UK since Ten, so that was partly the reason I think, but I was still grateful.
There’s 2 more songs from Folie a Deux. On the cd, if you rewind the first song, it plays a short song name “Lullabye” and there’s an unleashed song called “Pavlove.” I wish “Pavlove” was on the album
Make Yourself by Incubus could be in part 2 if you make one. Also, are you aware of the second album by Bad Religion when they went synth-prog and almost ended their career for good?
The Cult's Electric is THE polarising album of all time. Prior to Electric, they were known as a 'goth' band and amassed a following in the UK as an alt group with 'Dreamtime' and 'Love'. Then when they went into the studio to record their next album Electric, they ended up doing it twice: once in England with Steve Brown who did their Love album (but they hated how it turned out) and then in America with Rick Rubin who turned them into AC/DC lol. It split their fanbase significantly but helped them grow in the US with a harder rock sound.
Metallica is my brother's favorite band. Growing up I heard all of their albums from across the hall lol. The black album was the first one I bought for myself and really listened to. It might be my favorite honestly (I also really like Load and Death Magnetic), but there's no denying Lightning, Puppets, and Justice are their most iconic pieces of work.
Kinda funny how one of the complaints about A Thousand Suns is that Mike Shinoda doesn't rap enough since he actually raps more on that album than he does on Minutes to Midnight.
I actually didn’t know that Signals and Kid A were that divided by fans so that was cool to learn, but another album that’d I’d like to give a shoutout to would be 1998’s Adore by the Smashing Pumpkins since it learned heavily towards electronic rock as opposed to the grunge/alternative smashes that were their first three records Gish, Siamese Dream and their most recent album, the absolute juggernaut that is Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
I'd also like to add Tidal Wave by Taking Back Sunday to the list because I'm pretty sure they're the only "emo" band I can think of that went from post-hardcore to fuckin heartland rock/80s singer-songwriter stuff. IMO it wasn't a bad album, just wasn't my thing. Hoping their album is a bit more accessible. EDIT: Haven't been this early in a LONG time lol. Hi John!
Something I've noticed about Kid A is how much it sounds just like the next step from OK Computer. What I mean is this. Several songs are normal for Radiohead, especially at this point. If you just listened to How to Disappear, Optimistic, Morning Bell and Motion Picture SOundtrack before listening to the rest, it gives a totally different impression. Then again, the songs Kid A, In Limbo, EIIRP, and The National Anthem are a start contrast to the ones I've listed prior. IMO the latter defines Kid A while the others were written earlier. (I can confirm How to Disappear was written during the post-OK Computer tour.
i literally cannot conceptualize how people listened to folie à duex all the way through and decided they hated it. it’s a fucking MASTERPIECE and one of my top albums of all time. it’s always been my fav, i even named my car winona like “she’s my winona,” haha. there’s such a difference between “selling out” and experimentation and it sucks when people just… don’t get it.
*Fan* *in* *USA* : I dunno man. Newest album by artist is polarizing, to me. *Fan* *In* *Arctic* *Region* : Man I love this. Its as if it was made especially for me!!!
I still don't understand how Folie A Deux was so polarizing. I got into FOB really late (like last year) but the album instantly caught on to me. It still is and will probably forever be my favourite album of all time
I got into fall out boy in 2016. Folie is not my favorite album of theirs (That award goes to Cork Tree) but I also enjoyed it on first listen, and while a couple tracks I had to warm up to a bit, I certainly didn’t dislike the album. Fall Out Boy’s fanbase in the 2000s is very different than today given the kind of music they’ve been releasing throughout the 2010s (more electronic leaning alt/pop rock). That could contribute to how Folie is looked at better now, combined with it growing some of the older fans with time and as they got older.
What’s funny is that these are all great classic albums, a few of them are even masterpieces. I was expecting this video to mostly cover examples of bad albums like You’re Welcome, Turbo, Will of the People, Cut the Crap, MANIA, etc. I mean I guess it’s good to take a positive approach.
You´re right: that would be expected from a list like this. Thing is, the list is about POLARIZING albums, that divided fandoms and some even were reevaluated and reappraised by history. Those albums you mention are, for the most part, unanimously bashed and loathed all around, from devoted fans to non-fans and casuals.
I always felt that Signals was a natural progression from Moving Pictures. Rush we’re already adding synths on Moving Pictures and we’re hinting at their new wave influences. I think there’s still a good balance between synths and guitars on Signals. The production on the Black album is incredible. The hits are all fantastic, although some of the deeper cuts fall short for me. As much as I love the first four Metallica albums, they needed to reinvent themselves in the 90’s. Linkin Park lost me after Meteora. I’ve warmed up to Minutes to Midnight a bit, but I really don’t care for anything else they’ve done. I like One Hot Minute. I’m a big Dave Navarro fan. I like the more metallic influence that Dave brought to RHCP. I’m not really a big RHCP fan though. I totally understand why their fans wouldn’t like One Hot Minute though. Let’s not talk about Scream. RIP Chris Cornell, my favorite rock singer of all time. Kid A is my favorite Radiohead album by far. I like Radiohead a lot, but think they’re a pretty overrated overall, but Kid A is an absolute masterpiece. It’s an album unlike no other.
I rather enjoy Rush's Signals but find myself going back to Grace Under Pressure a lot more, Folie a Deux and Infinity On High always wrestle for my number one favorite album by Fall Out Boy, (I think Infinity On High might be slightly more consistent, yet I probably have more individual tracks I prefer from Folie a Deux), Black Album is still good but I listen to the first four Metallica records way more consistently, A Thousand Suns is pretty close in ranking with Hybrid Theory and Meteora for me, One Hot Minute I do enjoy quite a bit though I don't find it quite as consistent start to finish compared to some of their other records (Dave does a great job, though), I can't say I've listened to much solo Chris Cornell work aside from the Bond theme he did for Casino Royale (my introduction to Chris Cornell, oddly enough), and the funny thing is most people find Kid A divisive and instantly fall in love with In Rainbows, whereas I was kind of the opposite, despite loving both albums. Apologies for the very long paragraph, but if you read this far, thanks for reading!
I love a thousand suns by linkin park I think that it is extremely underrated and my favorite track on that record is when they come for me the rapping and singing is phenomenal on that song
Two others I can think of is MGMT’s Congratulations and Weezer’s Pinkerton, both being my favorites from both bands. Same with Folie a Deux and A Thousand Suns, both are amazing and perfect. As for Kid A, I gotta say, it’s experimentation has always been hit or miss for me. I get why people hated it and why people think it’s one of the best of all time, though for me im just indifferent towards it
These were some great picks, one I would've chose is Saturday night wrist from Deftones, the album wasn't really my cup of tea but there was a few ok ones (But not pink cellphone...) Probably my favourite song is mein with serj
Great video Jon! I could never for the life of me figure out how people could hate Folie A Deux so much like it’s just full of so many fantastic songs how could people hate it???????? ALSO! I just had a thought! Now that they have five albums, will we be seeing an album ranking video for The 1975?????
My family has a picture of my Dad wearing a Rush shirt in the middle of the woods when he was about my age (maybe younger). Coincidentally, it was a “Signals” tee.
A lot of people were divided on Tranquility Base Hotel+Casino. Some (like me) loved it, others (*cough cough Crash cough*) couldn't look past it's few flaws. There is no in-between.
A couple of years ago I got my cousin a Folie A Deux CD because at that time I was outgrowing my FOB's phase and I didn't want one for myself Last year I asked her if she still had that CD and she said she didn't remember where she left it It hurts, man. I wish I had realized sooner how much I liked that album
I rememeber the Christmas i got folie et deux fondly. It's honestly my favourite album by FOB and has been since then. Same goes for a Thousand suns i loved it first listen and it evokes heavy nostalgia for me
KISS- The Elder (1981) Kiss are still apologizing for this LP although it has developed a cult following . But even today if you're a member of the Kiss Army you either love it or HATE it- there is NO in between!
One Hot Minute did grow on me a bit, I like plenty of songs on there (My favorites being My Friends, Tearjerker, Shallow Be Thy Game and Walkabout), and you could say it was RHCP's second best album behind BSSM at a time before they blessed us with a lot more classics with Frusciante and Klinghoffer. I heard at least one person say that Navarro's style didn't mesh with the rest of the band or their sound, but to be fair, I only feel that way about one or two songs on the album, most notably "Warped", it's not terrible, I just find it a little TOO weird even by RHCP standards. Also, I did always have a soft spot for their cover of "Love Rollercoaster" which also featured Navarro. Signals, Folie à Deux, The Black Album, A Thousand Suns, and Kid A on the other hand, I always liked in some capacity and didn't even know about the debates when I started listening to them. 😂
I wish that FOB played more songs from Folie on their shows. This album has one of their best songs, but due to disappointment of some fans at the time, those tracks are rarely played live, apart from I Don't Care.
Yeah, IDC is almost always in the setlist and occasionally "Disloyal Order", but I'd kill for literally anything outside of the singles and the opening track to be played
When I went on my discography binge on Deftones and read backstories on Saturday Night Wrists, I was surprised that this album got a mixed reception. Not every record is going to be a smash hit especially when you are five albums into your career, but I would find myself coming back to tracks like Cherry Waves, Beware, Rapture, Rats Rats Rats, and Kimdracula. Muse's The 2nd Law initially threw me off with the singles Madness and Follow Me, but Supremacy, Survival, Panic Station, Animal, the Chris-fronted tracks, and the instrumental cuts are part of the glue that holds the record together. It's experimental but focused, which is more than I could say for their recent output of records. Panic Station was one of the first songs I learned slap-bass on. Four Year Strong was riding high on Enemy of the World. A year goes by and they put out In Some Way Shape or Form, a record that leaned into late 2000s radio-rock territory that fans were calling them the second coming of Nickelback. They took some time off for a course correct and put out their self titled and later 'Brain Pain', a record that ISWSOF should have been.
Even though I was never around during the 80s, I thought that Signals was fairly received by Rush fans despite the change to a more synth rock sound. Honestly, it seemed like albums such as Hold Your Fire or Grace Under Pressure (a personal favorite of mine) were more polarizing since they leaned even FURTHER into the synth sound on those albums.
It kind of goes like this (for the more casual fans during the MTV era): Signals: Fans are unsure. The synths don't sound great (thanks to their producer being uncomfortable working with them), but the music is still clearly classic rush. Grace Under Pressure: The synths sound much better thanks to a new producer. Fans are more polarized by the lyrics on this one for just how dark and bleak the whole album is. Not much to rock out about with the cold war Power Windows: Probably has the best reception of the synth era. The synths are in your face, but the album is otherwise quite heavy. The album did well enough that 5 different singles were released from it, and it took a while longer for cuts from it to get removed from the live show compared to other albums from post moving pictures Hold Your Fire: This was the true polarizing one, as it was the most mellow, and the least "hard rock" an album they had ever done. Still great for those that appreciate their song writing, but definitely the least Rush sounding Rush album.
Dear Jon, This might be a bit random, but what is an "indie" band? I was told that it's any band that's signed to a major record label, but I don't know what they mean by "major." Is Paramore an indie band? Please let me know when possible. Signed, D.J. Klefeker (They/Them)
Obvious one for Part 2 would be "Adore" by The Smashing Pumpkins. Lyrically, Billy had never been better and the full weight of the multiple losses he suffered at the time came through in the music, but when everyone was expecting Mellon Collie Part 2, there was no way to live up to that expectation. So why not go full-throttle the other way and make an almost synth-pop/acoustic record? The fans and critics virtually abandoned them as a result. So much so that when Machina came out a couple years later and returned them to full bombastic form, it was met with a 'meh' by most in spite of it likely being on the same footing as their more beloved work.
I like the Kid A/Amnesiac, it probably helps I like soundtracks with ambient and electronica elements. I understand why Musicians decide to have unexpected left turns with their work, playing the same songs over and over for several days must get boring and doing something different is what adds spice to their career.
Regarding Metallica's "Metallica [the Black Album]," I've never really been that much of a hard-rock, heavy-metal fan; at best, rock/metal bands have released an odd song or two that I've really enjoyed but this was only the second album (okay, cassette tape) that I ever bought in the hard rock/heavy metal genre when it was initially released (and by that, I mean, within months of the release date). The other one was Def Leppard's "Hysteria" (which, even on its release, was largely derided as "pop-metal" or "hard pop" by genre fans). Unlike "Hysteria" though, which took several chart hits before I broke down and bought the "album," I basically got "[the Black Album]" based off "Enter Sandman" (which remains my favorite Metallica song--admittedly, not a very lengthy list from which to pick).
personally I loved Signals, if only that I got to hear more rush on the radio. most people I know in fact liked it, some of whom could not relate to the heavier earlier works, and were not on board with the sci fi storytelling. Moving pictures brought a lot of new people on board; that if they done another Cygnus x-1, they would have lost them. Exit Stage Left was part of the success of those days. I actually had more issues with Power Windows, because there was nothing new happening...
Human Touch and Lucky Town by Bruce Springsteen. These were his simultaneous albums after he broke up the E Street Band, and his fans didn’t like them on principle.
i feel like pinkerton deserves an honorable mention from the legends ive heard (i'm too young to know what actually was said around the time maybe its blown way out of proportion now )
