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Police Throw Temper Tantrum with 5-Year-Old | Kevin Christmon and Dionne Holliday Case Analysis 

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@lazydaisy2292
@lazydaisy2292 Год назад
My daughter started kindergarten three weeks ago. When I went to pick her up after school, a little boy was throwing a fit, refusing to go back to class and screaming "bad teacher" They sent an adult out to watch him outside, from a distance while he calmed down. My question is why did the school call the police on a five year old in the first place? This is a kindergartener whose probably never been to school before and is adjusting. This is disgraceful.
@ashleyvestal9030
@ashleyvestal9030 Год назад
I agree, and congrats on having a Kindergartner!!! (I taught it for years :). I will say that there are kids that age who need a more conducive setting in order to protect the majority of children. Even little kiddos can be very dangerous - not that this is the case in your experience. Probably fine. I can't imagine calling the police - a mental health professional is, in my opinion, the best option. Or just a caring adult who is calming......
@mariee.5912
@mariee.5912 Год назад
They called the police because the child ran out of the school, but they can still see the child. So, I don't know what the school's procedure is, but I would just go and get the boy. I agree the police wasn't necessarily. Hah, your child's school understand staff how to handle tantrums.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Yeah just sit and let the kid throw their fit that’ll workout for 18 years.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
@@mariee.5912 no they don’t. Letting them happen and just watching is not how to handle them
@martyal
@martyal Год назад
I believe that this was a case of the school administrators not wanting to do what they are paid for.
@LadyCin611
@LadyCin611 Год назад
Geezzzz! 5 year olds act this way sometimes. As a foster parent of 17 years, had I said or did any of these things, I’d lose my license and thrown in jail! They should have given the boy strategies to calm down and a way out. Shaking my head!
@denine5232
@denine5232 Год назад
Completely agree with you!
@Throatzillaaa
@Throatzillaaa Год назад
Thank you for fostering! ❤️
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Foster parents have zero business commenting of discipline of children. The private prisons thank you for your service
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Yeah that’s what kids need to learn when you break the rules the system will make sure you feel happy and hold your hand.
@wholeshebang1
@wholeshebang1 Год назад
@Fuzzy Friends Rescue Volunteer - "Wait 'Til Your Father Comes Home!" was what mothers would tell their children as a threat when they were misbehaving, in the 1950s to '60s - which implied that they'd be strongly reprimanded, yelled at, spanked or beaten, once their father got home. It worked to quiet me & my siblings, but the punishment caused me & 2 of my 3 siblings trauma (my C-PTSD is the worst, because it continued into my teens & early 20s). My older sister, the "golden child," was never hit, roared at or chased around the house by a 6', 230-lb raging man - a cop - until I ran out of the hoyse or locked myself in the bathroom. She & my mother were the only ones who would stop him. I'm 62 and still get panic attacks when men bellow at me as I cycle in downtown traffic - inexplicably outraged at me, after they've cut me off or almost collided into me, while _they're_ on their cellphones or driving aggressively, to speed through a red or make a roght turn. *_They're_* the ones protected in their 2000-5000-lb vehible!
@everwhat013
@everwhat013 Год назад
i love how the mom was going along with the cops, encouraging them, saying she wishes she could beat him and get away with it. then she got dollar signs in her eyes.
@kingdele01
@kingdele01 Год назад
That was exactly what I thought! Money would make people sing a different tune really quickly.
@cantfindmykeys
@cantfindmykeys Год назад
It seems that she is too passive and can't deal with much of anything, so she follows any suggestion offered in a difficult situation. Probably the reason her kid is a monster. Some children are well behaved and others will take advantage of a passive adult and she probably filed the lawsuit after yet again being persuaded by somebody with a backbone. I remember growing up and discovering that the most difficult children were ones with a primary caregiver that didn't take control of whatever situation was at hand. My mother never disciplined us and was basically oblivious and agreeable to anything we said or did. We were monsters. My sister is still a monster but my brother and I grew out of being spoiled brats. Giving children carte blanche and not disciplining them isn't the best method. Neither is beating them. You need to find an acceptable middle ground.
@kingdele01
@kingdele01 Год назад
@@cantfindmykeys I agree with you! One can't be too much of a disciplinarian.
@cantfindmykeys
@cantfindmykeys Год назад
@@kingdele01 I think proper punishment is healthy but within limits. Beating on your kid will just create a cycle of abuse. I think removing privileges and dragging them to deliver an apology works pretty well without smacking them. Spanking and paddling and all that.. it works as humiliation. Like when we were paddled in school by a teacher. It was mostly embarrassing and not painful. No bruises or physical damage, just humiliation.
@pssurvivor
@pssurvivor Год назад
For a country where abortion and babies' lives is such a hot button issue, there doesn't seem to be much love or understanding of children. I used to run away from my swim classes cuz I was terrified of the water and every day my coach would personally go out and carry me back, repeat day after day, talking to me telling me that the water was ok. Eventually I got it, and I was able to participate in the training. That man showed me patience and understanding and as a small child I was able to pick up on it and move ahead
@PoopyBarfy
@PoopyBarfy Год назад
Yeah. If people loved their children, they would not abort them.
@gabe-po9yi
@gabe-po9yi Год назад
Yep, get those babies born to women who don’t want them, yet will rarely give them up for adoption.
@AlintraxAika
@AlintraxAika Год назад
The fetus is not a baby and the decision of an abortion involves much more than loving or not children.
@lillidaisyASMR
@lillidaisyASMR Год назад
OP was not trying to discuss the topic of abortion or adoption- she was just saying that for a country who pretends to care it sure doesn’t act like it towards children. Her story was not anecdotal and useless, just an example of how being shown some love and compassion as a child helped her grow through something many adults could’ve responded to with annoyance and rage. She was trying to show the different outcomes between the two responses..
@LoveLivesHere12
@LoveLivesHere12 Год назад
I think abortion doesn’t need to be the answer to a struggling mother. Perhaps giving her resources and bringing attention and awareness to the lack of training in the police force is more appropriate. It’s very cowardly to think an issue like this could “easily” have been resolved with abortion. Be better than this, please.
@scarn3241
@scarn3241 Год назад
5 years old … the adults involved in this are disgraceful
@ashleyvestal9030
@ashleyvestal9030 Год назад
Agree totally, but a 5 year old assaulted my 4 year old daughter in the early 90's and left permanent disfigurement. There has to be a better way to deal with such children. They need intense psychiatric intervention.
@Masterho310
@Masterho310 Год назад
@@ashleyvestal9030 That escalated quickly...
@brigidspencer5123
@brigidspencer5123 Год назад
No kidding! I have worked with many children and adolescents with special needs that includes traumatized children. Children learn to regulate their emotions from the adults around them. I have no empathy for these incompetent cops or the adults who don't seem able to handle an upset 5 year old, including the mother. This school must be staffed by idiots.
@jaymike3302
@jaymike3302 Год назад
They can yell at me for $275,000. Even at age 5 I'd know that was a good deal.
@fighterflight
@fighterflight Год назад
@@ashleyvestal9030 this child didn’t hurt anyone
@dominickdolio2414
@dominickdolio2414 Год назад
As one who experienced childhood abuse I can honestly say not everyone needs a beating. Sometimes the parents do.
@shayb413
@shayb413 Год назад
I'm so sorry you went through this! And NO CHILD, EVER, EVVERRRRRR "needs" a beating, for ANY REASON! Studies show it is only very traumatizing and causes them Psychological problems. There are MANY ways you can discipline children, and you SHOULD, of course, but not by ever laying a hand on them in anger or punishment, or by causing them physical pain. There are many much more humane and also just more EFFECTIVE methods! I'm glad you made this comment, and I agree 100%- sometimes it's the PARENTS who need a beating instead- and in this case, these horrible, ridiculous excuse for Police officers!!
@jaybee9269
@jaybee9269 Год назад
@@shayb413 >> Any reason? Crossing against the red light? Sometimes you have to get their attention…
@rogerargueta5769
@rogerargueta5769 Год назад
Here, here.
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
Why haven't they been fired?! That little boy should never have been assaulted. I'll bet anything that they beat their own kids
@TheHogfatherInvades
@TheHogfatherInvades Год назад
@@jaybee9269 imagine viewing open acts of defiance as grounds for corporal punishment against children in general let alone a 5 year old. imagine equating corporal punishment to "getting their attention". the military pfp makes perfect sense.
@Olive131
@Olive131 Год назад
Hard to understand the adults not having a basic understanding of the maturity level of a five year old. Instead of showing compassion and caring, they displayed anger and violence. The only thing taught to that very small, young, child was that it was okay to be violent as long as you're the bigger one.
@ConsciousExpression
@ConsciousExpression Год назад
I think they showed a fine demonstration of the maturity level of a five year old. How could they do that without understanding it?
@paulc-xj9ck
@paulc-xj9ck 8 дней назад
Cops have no empathy.
@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754
My mentor in college was a brilliant Child Psychologist..he taught me a lot..HOWEVER the one lesson that was stressed the most, and I still ALWAYS apply today? Never assume an issue/solution through ONLY the lense of what you've personally experienced *=)*
@browniehendricks3726
@browniehendricks3726 Год назад
Good point
@healerscreek
@healerscreek Год назад
Excellent advice!
@denine5232
@denine5232 Год назад
Great advice!
@CankleCankle
@CankleCankle Год назад
I think most parents or authorities with little to no education will revert to rearing children in the same manner that they were raised with. But anyone with half a brain knows that today’s children are different than the children of 50 years ago. Children should be uplifted and told they are loved no matter what. Corporal punishment only leads to resentment and revenge seeking as well as all kinds of disorders that disrupt emotional development. Edit: k I wrote this reply before finishing the video. But In the outro, Dr Grande spelled out exactly what I was trying to say.🤠
@kingdele01
@kingdele01 Год назад
That is a great point! My initial reaction is that this child was just another brat & his parents were after a payday. But now, I am thinking it is possible that there could be another underlying problem with him.
@FilmArtPhoto
@FilmArtPhoto Год назад
If an adult is reacting to an upset child by screaming and threatening, they have already lost that fight because they've lost control. Good point about the cops being obsessed with dominating a situation and "forcing their way" through the problem. That is never going to work with a kindergartner... I mean, they might submit, but you've only succeeded in making them hate you. You haven't really worked through anything.
@Army4life82
@Army4life82 Год назад
I pray they don't have children good lord
@WWENETWORKGAMING
@WWENETWORKGAMING Год назад
No, no, you have to establish dominance first with the upset child, by ANY means. Cop showed restraint by not tasering the toddler..
@tw1705
@tw1705 Год назад
When are we going to wake up and demand police reform and the end of qualified immunity. A badge is basically a free pass to be a criminal, and sadly most of them are to one degree or another. Yes, there are relatively good cops, but they are all forced to look the other way at times. Anyway, it's a real dirty system and needs a good overhaul and a lot more oversight. Completely egregious, the behavior of the police. The vast majority of police officers are minions and yes men puppets with zero integrity, and the few good guys out there are forced to go along to get along or else they end up set up or dead.
@julielevinge266
@julielevinge266 Год назад
Odd that police are totally incapable of dealing with a problem that those dealing with young children do on a daily basis.😮
@chrishealton3830
@chrishealton3830 Год назад
@@WWENETWORKGAMING bad take
@nadineo9436
@nadineo9436 Год назад
This child could have been on the spectrum, therefore any kind of threat or anger would have been met with immediate stress/fear from the child. It's unfortunate that the child's emotional well being took a backseat to the adults that were supposed to help him.
@katherineharris6917
@katherineharris6917 Год назад
Great comment,except I would just edit your last sentence: It's "frightening" that...
@R3DR0PE
@R3DR0PE Год назад
Elopement ( running away from a caregiver or situation in general ) in stressful situations is a big thing with autistic people, especially during a meltdown. I stopped going to school because I would constantly have meltdowns simply because I wasn't given any accommodations since I wasn't diagnosed with ASD at the time. It was horrible and extremely stressful.
@moniqueloupe8867
@moniqueloupe8867 Год назад
ASD was my very first thought.
@call_in_sick
@call_in_sick Год назад
@Jan Lima I agree we medicalise everything when I’m fact a lot if the time it’s simply because the kid has never been told no. Simply shitty behaviour. No one wonder there’s generations of people incapable of hearing no!! Insanely shitty parenting.
@jaymike3302
@jaymike3302 Год назад
They can yell at me for $275,000. Even at age 5 I'd know that was a good deal.
@dustybun1378
@dustybun1378 Год назад
The absoloutle lack of common sense of all the adults is pretty disheartening.
@ZombolicBand
@ZombolicBand Год назад
makes me wonder how many children go through this daily but nobody knows about it
@dustybun1378
@dustybun1378 Год назад
@@ZombolicBand with officers at almost every school these days probably happens all the time.
@pfranks75
@pfranks75 Год назад
I’m a retired special education teacher and counselor who dealt with children who exhibited explosive or uncontrollable behavior. We had a quiet room and would use it before an incident gets out of control. It makes teaching difficult when you have students who exhibit defiant behaviors.
@cantfindmykeys
@cantfindmykeys Год назад
Better yet, trade the quiet room for homeschooling. I hated school and classrooms. I would constantly leave the school grounds and wander into villages and jungles and even the desert in foreign countries. I would eventually be picked up by authorities and taken to the embassy and my parents would be notified. My mother didn't discipline us and we were brats. Luckily, homeschooling worked well. I placed 2 years above my grade level after returning to the States and then to private school which worked fine because I missed most of the days and still passed when I scored well on final exams. College was not a problem. I showed up on the first day for the syllabus, then for the midterm and final, and turned in papers and got my degrees. I never liked school. It was a prison to me. Some children don't do well or belong in an "educational institution" type of setting. Ironically, my Dad was a tenured professor and my mother was also an educator and speech pathologist. They both had lifetime careers in a setting I couldn't tolerate.
@user-xg3uy6hq9g
@user-xg3uy6hq9g Год назад
some school use yoga and breathing/meditation to caalm kids down.
@maxbygrapes3681
@maxbygrapes3681 16 дней назад
How many rooms do you have? Seriously.
@cheerfulremorse
@cheerfulremorse Год назад
"You don't go to prison for beating your child." Wow. Edit: 4:10 timestamp
@KarlMarxFanClub
@KarlMarxFanClub Год назад
I’m like, Ummm you should.
@LottieSue
@LottieSue Год назад
Beating a child is child abuse and yes, people go to prison for that. Perhaps, your definition is different. What is the definition of beating someone? 1 : an act of striking with repeated blows so as to injure or damage also : the injury or damage thus inflicted. This is very different than time outs and spanking.
@tianna1116
@tianna1116 Год назад
@@LottieSue who are you directing your comment to? If it’s OP I think you may have misunderstood
@andiejoanides9233
@andiejoanides9233 Год назад
Terrifying statement from a police officer!
@mariee.5912
@mariee.5912 Год назад
You can physically discipline your child without being severe under the law, but I don't understand how people do that. Especially children in distress.
@KatieDoesCrime
@KatieDoesCrime Год назад
To be fair, I also reacted irrationally to the mystery meat in my elementary school lunches.
@LoneWulf278
@LoneWulf278 Год назад
😂
@shayb413
@shayb413 Год назад
WOW, this made me laugh SO HARD!! I was always truly a perfectly behaved child, probably too much, but I would literally have to fight back tears on "Cowboy Surprise" day, when that was the lunch for the day! It had the NASTIEST "meat" (mystery meat!!) EVER!! But seriously, this made me laugh SO HARD, so thank you for that!! 😂🤣😅 This situation was so incredibly ridiculous and horrible- I can't believe these Officers still have jobs after they acted this way to a itty bitty FIVE YEAR OLD child!! But you're comment here was ABSOLUTE GOLD!! 🥇👍😁
@judeinLA.
@judeinLA. Год назад
Oh my🤭😂
@mariee.5912
@mariee.5912 Год назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@KatieDoesCrime
@KatieDoesCrime Год назад
@@shayb413 Oh, my, just the name "Cowboy Surprise" sounds ominous!
@yeenbean3318
@yeenbean3318 Год назад
I'm a fully grown adult and this story activated my fight or flight response. This kind of thing absolutely stays with you for the rest of your life. Clearly there's something more going on with the boy that needs to be looked into to figure out why he's behaving this way. Punishments don't work in every situation, and sometimes they can make it worse. In my admittedly limited experience with kids just from being one, sometimes they can panic and feel like they have no other options when adults act like this. From a kid's point of view, if the adults who are supposed to care for them are "losing it", then the situation is beyond the point of benefitting from any sort of cooperation. That would possibly make a child panic and react in a way that reflects the adult's behavior because they've effectively been given an example of how to respond. I'm not saying for sure that this is what was going on in this situation, but that's just what it seems like to me based on what I know about similar things. In other words, in order to not be in more trouble, the kid would have to be the bigger person and not act like the adults in the situation. Obviously that doesn't happen because that's not how kids work. I also think a lot of times the punishments that adults inflict are disproportionate to what the kid has done. It shouldn't be up to a 5 year old to deescalate a situation. I'm not qualified to make any kind of decisions about this, so this is just an armchair opinion from a random person on the internet. I think the correct response would be to stay with the kid in the parking lot until he calms down enough to go back to school willingly and then talk it out there to figure out why he was having issues in the classroom. Even if it takes a long time to stay with him in the parking lot, you're being paid to help resolve conflict, not to yell at kids. If a professional in any other field acted like this on company time, they would be fired no questions asked. I'm not saying that's necessarily what needs to happen here because that's not up to me, but I'm giving this example as a metric for the severity of the problem.
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
Perfectly said!
@b3n3d1ct10n
@b3n3d1ct10n Год назад
So well put!
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
No. To not be in trouble he had to do as he was told, like Fauci said to all of us
@deannang455
@deannang455 Год назад
"A society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members." Mahatma Gandhi
@maxshea1829
@maxshea1829 Год назад
@@jhoughjr1 LOL!
@nikkilynn4000
@nikkilynn4000 Год назад
My fiancé did a little bit of time in prison when he was younger (we're in our 30s) for some nonviolent property crime (stealing from a store while he was using drugs... And for being caught with said drugs). He's been clean for a long time now. When we got into the spanking debate (we plan on having kids), he said to me the old "i was hit and i turned out fine" that most people do. I said ".... *His name*... You went to prison..." And there was nothing he could say to respond to it. So no. If you think hitting small humans worked because it supposedly worked for you, it doesn't. I'm glad he's since came around.
@joincoffee9383
@joincoffee9383 Год назад
Yep, nowadays teenagers stealing is becoming widely accepted if not considered cute and trendy and popular thing to do. Something to be proud of. One is considered dull , no fun or not adventurous if doesn’t steal. What a world.
@nikkilynn4000
@nikkilynn4000 Год назад
@@joincoffee9383 I agree. He's very embarrassed and remorseful about his previous actions now. It was years before we met, but I do believe he's changed and became a better person. Obviously stealing is wrong, but i believe someone can be rehabilitated and given mental health/therapy and drug treatment too. The man I know would NEVER dream of doing that stuff again.
@00RoxPink
@00RoxPink Год назад
I hate when people say that. If they didnt turn out fine we would just say that the person is bad so they deserved it.
@SailingWindGypsy
@SailingWindGypsy 8 дней назад
Millions of kids (including me) got "spankings" and did turn out to be law abiding, high achieving adults (like me). Not saying spanking is the best option, but your personal experience is not data.
@Watcher6868
@Watcher6868 Год назад
Thanks Dr. Grande. Listening to you and paying attention to all the details you shared made me reconfirm how important it is to stay calm with my own child (he throws a cocktail of tantrums daily). I admit that my voice had not been pleasant on many occasions after his erratic behavior but I’m the adult in the room. Overcoming how I was treated growing up is a challenge but a key to be a better dad. Thanks.
@katherineharris6917
@katherineharris6917 Год назад
Keep working on being a better dad. There is nothing more important for you to be doing. I'm glad you see that.
@jaymike3302
@jaymike3302 Год назад
I hope I get yelled at for $275,000.
@jessicamillslagle3203
@jessicamillslagle3203 Год назад
When my now 12 year old child was younger, they went through the terrible 2's, 3's and 4's. (It was 6 good months and 6 awful months.)... What I did was to allow space for the daily breakdown. My child would go to nursery school. I would have a snack and drink for the car ride home. (Being Hangry is awful.) We would listen to music and I would let my kiddo talk or not. (Their choice.) As soon as we walked through the front door, my child would flop on the floor and have a melt down. I didn't react, I simply stepped over my child. I took the folder out of the backpack and hung it up. I would then get some play clothes out and turn on some cartoons. Then I would start making dinner. Kiddo would always come to me in the kitchen and hug my leg with teary eyes and say "I love you mamma." I would wipe the tears away and ask if they wanted to help cook or watch cartoons. (Obviously, I would say "I love you too baby".)... It was weirdly hard in the beginning to be understanding of younger children and their frustration. (Growing up I was met with resistance and punishment.)... I was always the adult with my child. I allowed for age appropriate tantrums. (It sucked though and it's not easy!)... Now I have a great relationship with my child and we can talk about literally anything... we are all making it up as we go along. You'll probably be just fine. You are doing a great job. 👍
@Watcher6868
@Watcher6868 Год назад
@@jessicamillslagle3203 thanks for sharing your experience and I appreciate your words. Happy Labor Day
@Watcher6868
@Watcher6868 Год назад
@@jaymike3302 :) and
@reddiver7293
@reddiver7293 Год назад
This is less about how the police handled this case than the endless levels of liability for teachers, administrators, staff etc. If any of the above had restrained or made the least physical contact with the child, they could have been fired and/or sued. Not to mention being canceled in the media on a national level. The police handled the situation horribly, absolutely. But how does a situation occur where police are called to deal with a violent 5 year old?
@firstlastname7437
@firstlastname7437 Год назад
The original video said the police are called in this situation because the boy left school grounds and the school has to call them or they are liable for any harm that happens to the child. You need to watch the video entirely because no one mentions he attacked other students and teachers, destroyed a 1000. computer, and the classroom. Schools use to have separate classes for students who needed more care but now they are blended right in. Mom brings up in the video that he has no friends because of the outbursts and hurting others.
@reddiver7293
@reddiver7293 Год назад
Bingo
@raquellofstedt9713
@raquellofstedt9713 Год назад
It amazes me that parents and others seem to think that without hitting a kid, you can´t set boundaries. I run into that here in Sweden constantly. All kids are different, but there are a range of things you can do before you should even have to think of lifting your hand. Honestly!
@mkuti-childress3625
@mkuti-childress3625 Год назад
Times are definitely changing. I see it both in the US and Europe. I hear parents talk to their kids now the way we used to train teachers to treat kids, and it’s really great to hear. But it’s happened really slowly, and there are still plenty of people around who think it’s okay to hit their kids-or worse, that it’s the only way to have discipline. If a teacher can have a classroom full of five year olds who listen and follow the rules without hitting any of them, ever, parents can certainly do it with one kid. It’s all about patience and not taking what a child does or says personally-which so many adults still do. Kids act like kids naturally. They’re supposed to have a lot of squirmy energy, they’re supposed to test rules and want to interact with their environment. Parents getting angry when their kids don’t sit quietly and immediately obey are wasting their time and energy and jeopardizing their relationships with their kids. Set boundaries and enforce them calmly and consistently, knowing that kids have to be taught how to behave. And give them attention when they are behaving instead of just when they misbehave. Some kids are so desperate for attention that they misbehave-not purposely, but automatically-to have more interaction with their parents.
@riseuplight
@riseuplight Год назад
@@beorlingo Yeah maybe she's talking about unassimilated immigrants
@gulfgal98
@gulfgal98 Год назад
I am 75 years old and I grew up in a house where my parents never laid a hand on me or my sister. We both ended up happy and well adjusted adults who have happy memories of our childhoods. It is definitely possible to raise a happy and productive child without hitting him or her.
@kualabear
@kualabear Год назад
I lived in Sweden in the 1990’s and smacking a child was illegal back then you never saw it and Swedish friends would let their children get away with a lot. They were way ahead of most countries in this at the time and every country knew you couldn’t smack your children in Sweden.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Amazing to me how many people think their kids are far too good to be spanked. Over my life I’ve seen the effects of permissive parenting vs authoritarian. I know which keeps the prisons full
@justinthomas3389
@justinthomas3389 Год назад
And cops have the nerve to act like they don't know why their reputation is what it is these days.
@EJ1443
@EJ1443 3 месяца назад
Their inability to actually read/listen, watch videos of police brutality against minorities and neurodivergent, disabled people and handcuffing nonviolent detainees to transport them to the hospital or station, is scary to me. Some police have no introspection whatsoever. I sympathize that they have a hard job and see trauma, however they really need longer training and more time on disability and de escalation.
@daveyoder9231
@daveyoder9231 Год назад
I think this situation happens more often than we think. Because school administrators cannot handle violent students, they call the police, who function as collectors of humans exhibiting unacceptable behavior. The reason for the behavior is unimportant- mental illness, drug use, overwhelming stress, or criminal intentions. Police are taught there is one answer, dominate the situation, and transport the subject to a place which will assume custody. It can become unbelievably hard for police officers to deal with. This case is troublesome, and the officers misread the emotional cues badly.
@angelikaskoroszyn8495
@angelikaskoroszyn8495 Год назад
Cops go through short training and then they're throw into a world where everyone can potentially carry a gun. Deescalation? There was no time to teach. Dominance and intimidation - that will help with the whole "protect and serve" thing
@relentlesseducator
@relentlesseducator Год назад
Many Elementary schools have a team of staff who are trained/certified in deescalation/physical restraint to respond to students who are escalated or violent.
@cici736
@cici736 Год назад
Agree!! Police are called for situations that are clearly not criminal and often medical. Often police treat everyone as subordinates. I was raised by a police man and I remember being told I would go to jail if I didn’t do …. Sometimes it was something as simple as brushing my teeth. It taught me that police are to be feared. Because Police are called to handle Situations that aren’t criminal, there should be protocols on how to not dominate but rather empathize and protect.
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 Год назад
taxpayers picked up the bill on this. The bar is now lowered quite a lot since no smart person would ever go to work at a police department. We should expect to see a lot more otherwise childish rash behavior from police. It used to be you had to pass a 10 year background check and have a bachelor degree in a related field of study, and impress your interviewer to get to be a police officer (they could afford to be picky, because people wanted to help the public and it paid quite well as a rewarding career field, and the list of applicants was miles long). Now, no smart person would ever do it.
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
Well said Mr. Yoder!
@JonasC22
@JonasC22 Год назад
Somehow shrieking into a child's face that's freaking out doesn't strike me as the best option to get them to calm down.
@wasupgaming
@wasupgaming Год назад
its worked for me in the past
@TomikaKelly
@TomikaKelly Год назад
The adult shouldn't have to shriek in a child's face. The child should be behaving or the parents should remove the child from being a burden to the school.
@ericjones1289
@ericjones1289 Год назад
An adult that shrieks into a child's face shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children for any reason
@PrimericanIdol
@PrimericanIdol Год назад
@@wasupgaming I bet it traumatized you.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Yeah better to just give them what they want immediate that way they really get conditioned to act out anytime they want. Good idea!
@tommccormick9290
@tommccormick9290 Год назад
Dr Grande's voice can have a calming effect. Sometimes I get too calm and fall asleep like halfway through this video so had to play it twice.
@queenofweaves916
@queenofweaves916 Год назад
If a child is acting this way there is something deeper going on more than the boy being “bad”.
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 Год назад
The boys mama is provoking his wrath by ignoring him or whatever, but not by caring too much or by showing the boy too much compassion and discipline.
@thereal4113
@thereal4113 Год назад
Yes. Maybe a month in a mental health facility might solve his issues and put him on a path better coping skills.
@Kalleesto
@Kalleesto Год назад
He’s FIVE
@thereal4113
@thereal4113 Год назад
@@Kalleesto so were the Menendez Brothers.
@TomikaKelly
@TomikaKelly Год назад
That's not the school's problem. If he has these kinds of issues he shouldn't be in that school.
@gaylewinds4808
@gaylewinds4808 Год назад
I had something like the exact opposite happened when I worked at Walmart. A mother caught her little boy shoplifting a candy bar and we just so happen to have a police officer returning something at the customer service desk when she came to return the candy bar. She asked the officer if he would tell her kid what happened to little boys who stole. And he was as nice as he could be and was like "oh you don't want to go down this route it's bad". But the little boy only spoke Russian so his mother was interpreting for the officer, and by the way that kid started BAWLING we could tell she was not telling her kid what he was actually saying she was making it much scarier. I think she was hoping for something a little more Scared Straight, which was popular at that time, if I'm remembering my Reality TV correctly.
@shrapnel77
@shrapnel77 Год назад
That's hilarious.
@kingdele01
@kingdele01 Год назад
That was a good mother!
@sonjagatto9981
@sonjagatto9981 Год назад
@@kingdele01 teaching her child you can't always get what you want. NO!
@eveo2223
@eveo2223 Год назад
Shepherd of the devil? Not even my late mom could've come up with that one! I miss her so! Loved the analysis and thank you for reminding us that violence is not the answer
@gyrlyninja
@gyrlyninja Год назад
That’s a quote from the late, great Bernie Mac. 🥰
@deannang455
@deannang455 Год назад
These adults are the "shepherds of the devil." “If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” (Matthew 18:6)
@maxshea1829
@maxshea1829 Год назад
Speaking in tongues with eyes glowing red!
@YayaSweetie
@YayaSweetie Год назад
If you can't discipline your child without "beating" them, you probably shouldn't be a parent. Obviously these adults were beat as children and I think it's a very good case against that type of discipline because they are all broken humans. These people are disgusting and none of them should have their jobs.
@allinaday9882
@allinaday9882 Год назад
@Indi Darling: ….. and…. I am waiting for you to finish your first sentence…..So when this parent realizes that they cannot stop their child from harming themselves or another living being without hitting them. what do you propose happen to parent and child. Your statement is stupid unless you are hiding a timemachine from me.
@lnc-to4ku
@lnc-to4ku Год назад
Really loved and appreciated your whole take on this! Their behavior was absolutely terrible! I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "Without the ability to exercise their power, the officer's essentially had their own temper tantrums." ♡♡
@beeimaginative
@beeimaginative Год назад
The officers clearly had suboptimal parents themselves. Watching this video made me want to throw a tantrum!
@Watcher6868
@Watcher6868 Год назад
You must be an operations research professional.
@beeimaginative
@beeimaginative Год назад
@@Watcher6868 Nope
@shayb413
@shayb413 Год назад
Yes, which is sad, but still NOT EVEN CLOSE TO AN EXCUSE to treat a 5 year old child this way, or tell his Mother to beat him!! Nothing could ever excuse their behavior with regards to such a young child, and I can't BELIEVE they still are employed as officers after this! They are NOT fit to work with the public or have ANY kind of power or leadership roles, and shouldn't be working with children OR adults. Just my opinion though. There, that was me throwing MY tantrum about it! 😂, Thanks for bearing with me! ✌️💖
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
@@Watcher6868 😂
@call_in_sick
@call_in_sick Год назад
Grow up
@shadestress9898
@shadestress9898 Год назад
How unfortunate these policie officer's acted so irresponsible. It is apparent this job was beyond their abilities. Once again Dr. Grande gives a thoughtful analysis.
@Snapper314
@Snapper314 Год назад
Members of Law Enforcement these days seem to be little more then Violent Thugs in Uniform.
@jaymike3302
@jaymike3302 Год назад
I hope I get yelled at for $275,000.
@sixthsenseamelia4695
@sixthsenseamelia4695 Год назад
Unfortunate? Reprehensible.
@musicismagic3001
@musicismagic3001 Год назад
@@jaymike3302 - Traumatizing a 5 year old is very different than being “yelled at.” Try either at work and see how well it goes.
@shadestress9898
@shadestress9898 Год назад
@@sixthsenseamelia4695 I guess sarcasm is a little too subtle for you ?
@sensualeye
@sensualeye Год назад
Growing up an Air Force kid we had law enforcement that handled kids on the bases. They were called “Officer Friendly". Perhaps in the civilian world having officers trained in dealing with children should be a thing?
@skyhawk_4526
@skyhawk_4526 Год назад
I was a cop in the USAF (a law enforcement specialist back in the days when it was still called Security Police, and then later - after 1997 - Security Forces). I'm a civilian cop now (20 years later). I can tell you in the USAF we were never specifically trained in "dealing with" kids (except for some of the legalities). Being able to appropriately handle calls or contacts involving juveniles doesn't really boil down to any training. It boils down to being reasonable and having common sense. Not everybody has that, including some police officers. To put it in perspective, the standards to become an SP in the Air Force are quite a lot lower than in the civilian world and the training is a lot less in the USAF compared to many states' civilian police academies - plus most of us were only 18 or 19 when we started in the USAF. So it really isn't about training or procedures. Having said that, I'm currently a cop in CA. Here we have a nearly 6 month basic academy (as opposed to about 8 weeks in the Air Force) and after the academy, there's about 5 months of field training before you are allowed to work without a Field Training Officer watching and evaluating your every move and word (as opposed to the Air Force where we got about a week of additional training once we got to our permanent duty station). I don't know how the training is in Maryland, but I know it varies widely from state to state - with some states basic academies being as little as 6 weeks (which is nuts to me). Also, in CA, you generally cannot arrest a child under the age of about 12. Kids under 14 are generally presumed not to be criminally liable for their actions. (There are exceptions, but there are a lot of legal hurdles that have to be met to prosecute someone under 14.) It's also against the law in CA to handcuff a juvenile under 16 unless the officer can articulate a need to do so for the officer's safety, public safety or the safety of the juvenile (and that generally boils down to the seriousness of the offense, size/strength of the kid, etc.) In CA, in the case of an unruly 5-year-old, we simply would not even get involved. It's simply not a law enforcement matter - it's a matter for parents or school officials to deal with - not the police.
@BrendaGarcia-ty2ml
@BrendaGarcia-ty2ml Год назад
How about no cops at all 😅 We have data study after data study that they’re unable to change their ways no matter how much reform we introduce.
@bthomson
@bthomson Год назад
They run in when no one else will. Yes some police behave badly but many do not. We need to have brave (foolharty?) people who are willing to engage in dangerous and scary situations at a moments notice - think of car accidents and school shootings!
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
@@BrendaGarcia-ty2ml lol study after study eh such magic words
@sensualeye
@sensualeye Год назад
@@skyhawk_4526 I can't address how widespread the "Officer Friendly" program was, but it existed where we were stationed, Mc Guire AFB in New Jersey('72-'78). Those officers dealt with incidents that involved minors and were the face of LE to the kids on the base and housing area. I suspect if they didn't have special training, they were better suited than other officers to deal with children. Present day as an +50 adult, those positive interactions with LE have long since been erased. I've lived coast to coast, traveled the world, and had both professional and civilian relationships with law enforcement. I've concluded that training is a problem, but the larger issue is the culture within agencies and the justice system. If anyone wants to see how it's done properly (training and day-to-day operations) should look to California Highway Patrol or the Sacramento Sheriff's Department. I'm not saying they are perfect but are head and shoulders above the majority of LEAs in the USA.
@shayb413
@shayb413 Год назад
Thanks for bringing attention to such an important case Dr. Grande! This BLEW MY MIND, this is absolutely horrific treatment and so extremely traumatizing for this child! I remember as a very young Mom, feeling judged VERY often about not "disciplining" my son enough. I was 19 when he was born, and he had high functioning Autism. I'm someone who doesn't even believe in spanking a kid, ever! But he would throw very intense tantrums, sometimes for 2-3 HOURS at a time, when he was a toddler and a very young child. I saw something other people DID NOT SEE in my child during these times- absolute TERROR and exhaustion! His heart would always be racing a million miles an hour. This would happen usually if the schedule or plans we had that he was looking forward to had to change, or if we tried to insist he try new foods, because there were only a handful of foods he would eat. I noticed when my husband got so angry, it only made things SO MUCH WORSE- my in-laws DID tell me I should "smack him' or "beat him", and once my Father in Law hit him in the face and then spanked him with a board at a family reunion- I didn't let my son near him for 2 years after that. When he was 6 the tantrums had slowed way down, but still happened occasionally. And FINALLY I saw an Autism specialist that made everything make sense to me. He told me that at least with Autism and OCD likey son had, his own BRAIN was punishing him and torturing him already, which I could see. Where everyone else saw a horrible acting, insufferable Little boy at those times- I saw my little boy suffering and unable to regulate his emotions, and he really would try to. That Doctor just said the most important thing to do was NEVER "give in" to the tantrum, and tell him whatever he was having the tantrum about, if he waited 2 hours and then could ask calmly, then we could talk about it. He also said not to react with strong emotions in any way- make sure he was safe, every few minutes ask if he was ready to calm down and use his manners and his words yet. He said don't ground him or punish him, bc his brain was already doing that- but also never give in to his demands in that state. BEST advice I was ever given, within a few months the tantrums stopped completely, and he is now 18, just graduated high school with honors, and is one of the most responsible, thoughtful, hardworking, caring, compassionate etc. humans I know. The OCD actually made him VERY organized and goal oriented, and he has never been in trouble a day in his life after about the 2nd grade. If you stay calm with children, and tell them they are capable of ANYTHING, that they are smart and unique and special, and really point out their strengths, then they will BE THAT, and work towards proving you right. It's not always just that easy of course, but 5 is still SO VERY YOUNG, and often little boys are mischievous and act out still at this age. They get bored or easily frustrated. They need common sense consequences, like privileges taken away, time out, and MOST importantly, a reward system set up to bring the focus to what good things happen when they behave WELL- that's what worked WONDERS for my son, you HAVE to give really young kids struggling like that incentives to start fighting their negative impulses, and give them them the skills and opportunity necessary to do so, and make sure they know YOU believe they are smart, capable, and GOOD, even if their BEHAVIOR is bad sometimes. Sounds cliche and cheesy but it's true, I've seen it work. These cops should've been fired and should NEVER work with children again! I would've been DEATHLY afraid of the Police FOREVER if this happened to me at age 5- the ONLY interaction Police should EVER have with children that young is to be protecting them, keeping them safe, or building trust between children and Police officers. They should be fired for telling the Mother to beat her child, and that it was legal. Sounds like she wasn't the greatest either, saying she wished she could beat him but didn't want to get arrested?? I've been a VERY EXHAUSTED, VERY FRUSTRATED Mama before, where at the end of the day, I would shut my bedroom door and just literally almost collapse in tears bc of my son's tantrums and issues and the exhaustion of dealing with that on a regular basis when he was a toddler. But still, NEVER ONCE did I want to "beat" my child, and the Police probably traumatized this kid and did some lasting harm to him, only making matters worse! Sorry, this one was HARD to wrap my head around!! In 2022?? Are we freaking Savages? I just hope nothing like this ever happens again, and I lose more and more respect for a lot of law enforcement officers more and more as time goes on, and since the implementation of body cams. Sickening to know how many of them do things, and probably always have, but we just know about it now due to the cameras. Can't believe these Officers are still even employed as such after this inexcusable incident!! Great video and Analysis on this, as per usual Dr. G! 👍🌵💖
@claracarpenter8913
@claracarpenter8913 Год назад
Very good comments.
@jaymike3302
@jaymike3302 Год назад
They can yell at me for $275,000. Even at age 5 I'd know that was a good deal.
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
Omg I can't even begin to tell you how much I love your comment!!! I'd give it 100 thumbs up if I could, and a few hearts and smiley emojis, just to make it clear how much I love it. My son, who is also high functioning, severe ADHD, and possibly OCD (I may also have all three myself, currently going through that process myself!), I know that my son sees and feels things far differently than others do. He just loves everyone, wants to be everyone's friend, accepts everyone and is lighthearted and so much fun! He was also a very difficult toddler and preschooler. I always remained calm with him, never hurting him or anything like that. I just "got" him and instinctively knew how to handle him. I've been having to buckle down more on discipline lately, though, because [his] Dad is not consistent with discipline, has a short fuse, and let's him have whatever he wants when he doesn't want to deal with him 😡😫So I'm left being the one doing all of it. It's exhausting!!! He does behave better for me than anyone else, though, and I think it's because he feels safe with me and that care about him. I hope we can maintain this relationship. I am very scared about him going through puberty and throughout his teen years! Anyway, with all that said, I wanted to let you know that your comment really inspired and encouraged me! Tysm!!
@ericjones1289
@ericjones1289 Год назад
Thank you Shay B for your wonderful insight. I never had any problems ever with my 2 daughters growing up. They were always really well behaved, but over many years l've seen every type of bad parent, and yelling is never the answer. The person who yells and screams is always the looser. Earning hate from the unfortunate child.
@cottontails9003
@cottontails9003 Год назад
Hello Shay , long time without texting. How are you?
@joannaeaton9436
@joannaeaton9436 Год назад
Omgosh. This is totally wrong. And this is why we don’t trust law enforcement. (from a mum with 2 special needs kids)
@mariee.5912
@mariee.5912 Год назад
❤️ I have one special needs child and I can't imagine agreeing with the police to scare my child. All I can think the mom was stressed.
@lawoman608
@lawoman608 Год назад
I have no excuse for ANY adult treating a 5 years old less than loving. I want to hug thus little child. Why haven't we learned from our own childhood traumas to be kind, especially to childeren? Evils live among us. I am lost for words.
@melissadwiggins
@melissadwiggins Год назад
Sadly, he probably really believes that. I didn't know that I was being abused till I was like 16 years old when my guidance counselor asked me about a bruise on my arm. It's especially bad in the south.
@jodimarie379
@jodimarie379 Год назад
I fostered my nephews for almost two years. The younger exhibited the outbursts and the running behavior. It is sooooo difficult to handle this behavior. But these officers managed to handle it completely wrong.
@BryceChillis
@BryceChillis Год назад
anyone who thinks they need to use violence to wrangle kids should not be around any kids, ever
@lacecocoa6272
@lacecocoa6272 Год назад
Exactly you have some weirdos in the comment section talking about he was acting a fool and I'm like girl most fabulous act like that. I'm starting to think some of these people have never been around 5 year old children. They act like that.
@great567
@great567 Год назад
As a child I was abused, all it did is make more violent towards other kids. As a father to a 3 year old, I’ve never even screamed at my child or made threats. It’s all about diffusing a situation sometimes even with humor. Sometimes I look at my daughter and wonder how a grown adult can bring themselves to physically hurting a vulnerable child - Nevermind the harsh beatings I took at the same age.
@oOIIIMIIIOo
@oOIIIMIIIOo Год назад
I applaud you, someone needs to break the cycle. 🙂👍
@hannah50353
@hannah50353 Год назад
As a mental health professional, I can only say this behaviour is despicable. However, I understand what Dr Grande is saying when people perpetuate the cycle of abuse. I hope the officers are given the help they need to overcome their childhood traumas.
@kathyglass2922
@kathyglass2922 Год назад
I'm interested in understanding what this young child experienced that upset him. The adults only focus is on the child's behavior and no inquiry into the events leading up to the child throwing the clipboard. Without understanding what happened, this will occur again, in one form or another. Whatever made him throw the clipboard, and vehemently refuse to go and to return school, matters. Something happened. What was it? Noone is trying to uncover this. It just gets dismissed, and the child labeled as a brat.
@scottashe984
@scottashe984 Год назад
Many kids are wired that way. Most of those that are violent won't change until they are much older and have been through the system many times, if then even.
@jennw6809
@jennw6809 Год назад
It sure sounds to me that those officers' beliefs that problems are solved by force and violence, formed because of being beaten themselves.
@Michadoo
@Michadoo Год назад
Definitely a cycle of abuse being perpetuated throughout the community it sounds like :/
@sciencenate
@sciencenate Год назад
Jeez I wonder if that type is drawn towards abusing authority!
@jackk9723
@jackk9723 Год назад
It's so crazy, that attitude and belief "I was beaten as a child and it didn't hurt me" pffff well clearly it has f**ked them up if they think beating a child is acceptable.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Yeah idk how people ever thought force and violence solved anything. wonder what the IRSS needs those 87K armed people authorized to use deadly force are for? surely not using force and violence to solve a problem
@PrecociousFriand
@PrecociousFriand Год назад
Well given that most police officers are psychopaths who enjoy power, force and violence it kinda makes sense, don't it.
@snow999
@snow999 Год назад
I worry that police won’t recognize my son is special needs. He likes to break away from me and he teachers and run out the door. However, I like that his school has a police office assigned to it. This world is just so crazy I feel it’s necessary.
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
My son also used to do this. They couldn't keep an eye on him and I said enough is enough and took him somewhere else where they could actually both keep an eye on him and teach him!
@TomikaKelly
@TomikaKelly Год назад
Homeschool him.
@snow999
@snow999 Год назад
@@LisaPFrampton thanks. I’m working on that right now. It’s a fight but I’m not giving up.
@snow999
@snow999 Год назад
@Jan Lima wow
@snow999
@snow999 Год назад
@Jan Lima you have no clue what you’re talking about and are quite mean spirited.
@Lisa-ir2gz
@Lisa-ir2gz Год назад
I was "spanked" (with wooden spoons and paddles) as a child. When I started having children, that is all I knew. I spanked my first child. To a lesser extent my second child. It never felt right....my older child in particular had a lot of behavior issues and would hit me back. I recognized that these situations were escalating and as the adult it was up to me to get it in check. For that reason, I stopped spanking my children. As a result my youngest child has never been spanked. I got a lot of flack over the years about not spanking my children.....but once I decided to do it differently I was committed to that. My oldest even told me a few times that his younger siblings "need to be beaten". I reminded him that I was the parent and I would handle the situation. I also apologized that I used to spank him...but reminded him that I didn't do that anymore. It is the best decision I ever made. I wish I had made it sooner and never spanked any of my kids. But, I am still thankful that I came to realize my mistakes and changed my behavior.
@viviennelee2215
@viviennelee2215 Год назад
Sad that your oldest had to go through that from you and then watch his siblings get a better life
@Lisa-ir2gz
@Lisa-ir2gz Год назад
@@viviennelee2215 in a way yes. That is why I apologized to him. I couldn't in good conscience continue to do something that I realized was wrong for a sense of fairness. It benefitted him too because he no longer got spanked either. As he got older I explained to him that we do the best we can with what we know at the time. I explained that when he was younger I didn't know a better way and at first didn't know it was wrong because it was done to me as a child. But, then I realized it was not working and was damaging so I stopped. He seemed to understand. It was hard for a while tho because I was a single mom and he was my only son. People would tell him "you are the man of the house now". I would constantly tell people not to say that to him..but they would anyway. Despite my telling him that I was the parent and I would handle things, he internalized the "man of the house" thing and remembered that he used to be spanked (even tho at this point he hadn't been spanked in years) and felt that it was his job to advise me that "they need to be beaten". Not to mention the influence of my family of origin that heavily believes in corporal punishment. I just had to stand firm and remind him that I was the parent and discipline was my responsibility even if he didn't agree with how I was doing it.
@utubefreshie
@utubefreshie Год назад
You're a good parent for learning your initial mistakes in parenting and making a change and most especially for apologizing to your eldest child. I would think they're all doing well these days.
@anneflynn9614
@anneflynn9614 Год назад
As an experienced teacher that has dealt with many children with emotional problems that acted out in school I can state that professions should always model the behavior that they want the child to exhibit.All children but especially children from dysfunctional families need love and stability.
@renee1961
@renee1961 Год назад
It's Appalling a 5 year old was treated like an Adult Hardened criminal!!!
@jchur7128
@jchur7128 Год назад
Only in America!
@tammylaronde8593
@tammylaronde8593 Год назад
@@jchur7128 It happens in Canada too.
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
@Jan Lima you're right, however you're very wrong if you condone anything the mother or cops were saying to do to this little child!
@jhozthron4415
@jhozthron4415 Год назад
Right, i mean who would have expected the police to encourage violence and even give tips on how beat up and torture a 5 year old...
@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer
@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer Год назад
*Mom -* "I _want_ to beat my child but I'm scared I'll get in trouble." *Unhinged Cops -* "No, you're good. It's not illegal to beat your child in Montgomery County. Just don't leave any bad burns or cuts. You _need_ to beat this beast." *Also Mom -* ~ Gets cops in trouble and costs taxpayers a quarter of a million dollars for disciplining her child "the way she wanted to." ~
@mariamerigold
@mariamerigold Год назад
So much trauma in one day. I can't imagine the repercussions that this single day will have on the rest of his life. At the hands of "professionals" at that. Imagine how those police officers treat children in their personal lives! Generational trauma needs to be educated more worldwide. Not enough people are aware of it and so many people unfortunately carry that trauma on to the next generation. Absolutely heartbreaking 😔💔 thank you as always doc, I love the way you present these cases
@shawnnewell4541
@shawnnewell4541 Год назад
My mom would always remind me to behave myself when I was in public and that I was embarrassing her when I'd throw a tantrum in public. For me, that worked. I didn't want my mom to be ashamed of me. I wanted her to be proud of me.
@salemish
@salemish Год назад
Unfortunately, that's still a pretty shitty thing to do. Parents shouldn't be making their children's emotions about themselves. I have a narcissistic mother and she would do the same thing. If I was upset, if I got angry, if I was crying, not knowing how to regulate my emotions yet, I was never met with understanding. It was always about her and how I shouldn't be "making her look like a bad mom" or "embarrassing her". Now I've grown up emotionally stunted and have been in therapy for years for cptsd, depression, and anxiety.
@shawnnewell4541
@shawnnewell4541 Год назад
@@salemish My mom was very loving. But man, I had a horrendous temper combined with stubbornness that exasperated my mother. Shaming did work. But usually you only had to punish me once. Her most frequent punishment was to send my sister and I to our rooms. For me that wasn't a punishment. I loved being alone in my room to read my books or listen to the radio.
@Shannonbarnesdr1
@Shannonbarnesdr1 Год назад
@@shawnnewell4541 id just take away your radio and books and give them back to you in a few days or so , as ytou earned those privileges back.
@shawnnewell4541
@shawnnewell4541 Год назад
@@Shannonbarnesdr1 Mom, never thought of that. And I sure wasn't going to tell her. She died when I was 16. That was 50 years ago. I do miss her. She was sweet.
@dianamarie5663
@dianamarie5663 Год назад
Dr. Grande I know you have two sons. I can't imagine you administering corporal punishment, threatening harm or name calling. I agree with your approach to this situation. I hope the boy get the attention and redirection he needs.
@badtrips
@badtrips Год назад
If that kid is already behaving like a psycho then he does need discipline. I guarantee you he will be in prison at some point in his life
@southbug27
@southbug27 Год назад
If you have a child, especially one that young, acting up to that extent the child is almost surely suffering from abuse & violence at home. If they’re aren’t suffering from violent abuse, then they are likely suffering from severe neglect, missing parents, or some type of chaos. These kids are the last children that need more violence & lack of respect for their physical boundaries, making how the cop picked him up & moved him against his will absolutely the wrong move. The fact that they want & demand a parent beat a child proves they have no business being cops because they won’t protect a child from abuse if they come across it, & they could be the difference between an abused child getting help or dying from abuse. Fire them immediately!
@sianmilne4879
@sianmilne4879 Год назад
Either that or undiagnosed neurodiverge/mental illness. Look deeper! Kids aren't "just bad"
@jonathanisrael9714
@jonathanisrael9714 Год назад
The Great Caper! When my daughter was around 9 years old, she decided to deliver a free 'good news' publication to the neighbors on our street. Someone called the police on her and the squad cars quickly showed up. The police scared and confused her, challenging her and making her feel as though she were a criminal. My daughter was greatly shaken up that day and has not liked nor trusted police ever since. It seems they should have special training on how to treat children.
@LDiamondz
@LDiamondz Год назад
It sounds like the kind of neighbors we had, when I was a kid. One of them once called the police on my 5 year old brother because he had a lemonade stand. They said it made the neighborhood look 'trashy.' The police showed up, were very nice, and thought the neighbor was bitter and wrong. There were 4 officers, and they all bought a cup of lemonade! We never knew which neighbor called them, could have been any of them. Adults can be so cruel to other people's children. These kind of people are crazy, imo. Your daughter should have been praised for showing initiative and creativity at 9. I bet you were very proud of her. 👍
@jonathanisrael9714
@jonathanisrael9714 Год назад
@@LDiamondz It is sad that an adult would call police on children for non criminal activity. However, it was so much more egregious the way the police responded and continued to push hard to find justification for the arrest of my little girl. I finally convinced their Sargent there was NO crime committed, and after repeatedly asking him to leave my property, he slowly and reluctantly did. We call it the 'Barney Fife' syndrome.
@LDiamondz
@LDiamondz Год назад
@@jonathanisrael9714 What a horrible experience for your daughter to go through. It should have been a non issue. To push for arresting a 9 year old girl is really disturbing. She wasn't a criminal! There is something seriously wrong with law enforcement, now, and it seems to be getting worse. Maybe in the hiring practices, they are more lenient than they used to be? As in, they hire unqualified people with no experience and lower scores? I'm sorry your daughter, and you, had to go through that. Must have been terrifying.
@jonathanisrael9714
@jonathanisrael9714 Год назад
@@LDiamondz Thank you for your empathy. Yes, it was very stressful for our entire family but especially for my little girl. I didn't mention this but what escalated tensions even further was when the police sergeant seemed to purposefully agitate and provoke me to say or do something warranting my arrest. It was unnerving and surreal to have to be pushed so hard over such an innocuous event. However, my daughter is grown now and doing well; and I make it a point to pray for police since they have such a stressful and highly dangerous job. May God help them do their jobs safely and well.
@ms.noodlemandisapproves2496
This breaks my heart because my 4 year old son has moderate autism. I cringe when strangers approach me on how to discipline him. I respond with "you want me to beat a special needs 4 year old with a heart condition?" ( he has a congenital heart defect). I cant imagine how scared this kid was. I know my son loves police & firefighters. This would eliminate trust forever. So sad.
@carth85
@carth85 Год назад
The sneaky dry humor always gets me.
@patball7485
@patball7485 Год назад
The humor was what got me to subscribe.
@dee8714
@dee8714 Год назад
How incredibly sad. Poor kid. He has a lot of pent up anger and his mother doesn’t know how to manage him. Who knows what his home life is like. Also sad that she did nothing to stop the police treating her child the way they did but finds out she can make money from it afterwards. At least the money is going to the child.
@alliereesor115
@alliereesor115 Год назад
When I was 5 years old I ran away from home (to my grandma's house) and someone saw me walking and called the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) and they picked me up. I told them where I was going and they took me to my grandma's. They let me sit in the front (it was the 80s) and play with the siren, they were so nice. It was my mother who was to be feared, I don't think she'd even realized I was gone.
@wendychavez5348
@wendychavez5348 Год назад
I know someone whose autistic son, after acting out in class when he was 9 years old, was detained for hours, during which time he was sexually assaulted by at least one of the detaining officers. The mother was called ONCE, and no definite message was left, nor did they attempt to reach the child's father (who I believe was out of town on business that week). I believe that was 10 years ago, and my friend is still trying to get justice for her son and the rest of their family--including proper counseling services at schools, more appropriate facilities for handling behaviorally challenged students, and accountability for authority figures that choose to abuse people under their care. This case was obviously not affected by the laws and staffing changes she has helped to enact--that is upsetting, even to someone who has no children that could be harmed in such a manner.
@witch_haunts_ghost
@witch_haunts_ghost Год назад
Dr Grande strikes again! The demon sheep comment was brilliant. They are warmer than normal sheep. Those police officers sound unbelievable. That poor child. Imagine being a five year old and acting like a five year old and then being reprimanded like a 35 year old. Terrifying. I don't think the mother or the police officers have done this child any favours.
@shrapnel77
@shrapnel77 Год назад
Normal 5 year olds do not throw clip boards at a teacher and fellow student and run out of the school. Something's going on at home and I do not condone the officer's behavior.
@DJ-nk4dq
@DJ-nk4dq Год назад
The officers were acting ghetto because that’s what they know. They were beaten and abused and since the child is black, they took it upon themselves to treat him like they were treated. I watched the video of that and it was appalling. The school staff was quiet, as if in shock. The mother played right along the officers, then turned around and sued the PD. The male officer even said (paraphrasing) as long as you don’t leave burns and cuts you are ok and will not be in trouble.
@deannang455
@deannang455 Год назад
Enjoy the coming lockdowns. If this is how you treat children!
@xminusone1
@xminusone1 Год назад
Ordinary 5 years olds don't act that way in the first place. There's obviously something more going on with that kid. He should be evaluated. Kids who act like that often have many other issues.
@witch_haunts_ghost
@witch_haunts_ghost Год назад
@@DJ-nk4dq I agree with you 100%
@jakefoley9539
@jakefoley9539 Год назад
Watching your videos has helped me take a more rational and analytical approach towards issues in my own life. Thank you Dr. Grande
@huanli7968
@huanli7968 Год назад
Great analysis, especially the last comment about getting liberated from blindly accepting, complying and following parents' beliefs and behaviours,. People make decisions against their own willing and desire, then even commite their whole life to do what they don't enjoy and pride just for the sake of getting recognition or validation from their parents who in some case have no idea or even bother to think about what they want from their lives.
@ieattofu68
@ieattofu68 Год назад
My son was banned from a daycare when he was 15 months old for having a tantrum and kicking one of the workers...I didn't beat him in response. He is 24 years old now and is a very kind and soft spoken gentleman with two college degrees, a black belt in tae kwon do and he doesn't drink or smoke or curse.
@julielevinge266
@julielevinge266 Год назад
Never take any notice of temper tantrums, it’s just frustration from child & always best to leave them, within minutes they’ll calm down✊♥️
@m.f.richardson1602
@m.f.richardson1602 Год назад
This was a good one. I totally sided with the young boy. That little guy is going to have a rough life. The mother's frustration with her son is bull. What's going on at home? Your explanation of the police was very interesting. Sounds like there could be a lot of truth to it. Thank you. Peace 💕🇺🇲
@ashleyvestal9030
@ashleyvestal9030 Год назад
The mother and son both need intensive psychiatric intervention to protect the future of society. They don't need an arrest, they need medical care. This child could potentially hurt/kill many people in the future. It shouldn't be taken lightly. Please get him (and mom) help. The "little guy" might have a rough life, but preventative measures should be taken before he destroys other lives in the future.
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
Well said!!
@timmyturner999_
@timmyturner999_ Год назад
“This guy is going to have a rough life” yeah I’m sure that 300 thousand dolllars he is going to get when he grows up for throwing a temper tantrum and running away from school is going to be very hard for him be real you meatball Lmfaoo beat that little shit he deserves it
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Single motherhood is going on at home the best way to raise boys
@hicknopunk
@hicknopunk Год назад
The fact the assistant principal got involved is sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. She should be under arrest.
@RobertaReal7980
@RobertaReal7980 Год назад
I'm really appalled the school principal didn't stop this crazy screaming behavior from the police.
@kevinc809
@kevinc809 Год назад
Yeah, assuming all this is true. Police should have carried him to the principal and left.
@rejaneoliveira5019
@rejaneoliveira5019 Год назад
I am so happy for being able to comment right after the upload.😊 I am just speechless by the behavior of these two officers.🤦🏻‍♀️ Your conclusion was quite insightful. I think it’s just so important to identify the ways in which our upbringing wasn’t desirable and also to conduct an ongoing analysis of our own parenting. In this process we learn a lot about ourselves and we have the opportunity to fine-tune our parenting skills. Thank you so much, Dr. Grande.❤️
@LDiamondz
@LDiamondz Год назад
Hi Rejane! The police officer's behavior was ridiculous. I had to rewind the part where he asks the 5 year old, "IS THIS HOW you want to live your life?" Blinks. Yes, I heard it right. How insane is this entire situation? Some people are not cut out to be Police officers. So stupid and sad. 🤯
@rejaneoliveira5019
@rejaneoliveira5019 Год назад
@@LDiamondz Absolutely! They handled the whole situation so poorly. I don’t even know what to say.😓
@LDiamondz
@LDiamondz Год назад
@@rejaneoliveira5019Hey Rejane. 👋 The video of the encounter almost made me cry. 🥺 I didn't, though, because I was so angry at the police officers AND the mother. That boy needs help, you could see that. Heartbreaking. 💔 Not everyone who can, SHOULD have children.
@ngi638
@ngi638 Год назад
😳why didn’t I see this story before ? This is nuts!
@PHlophe
@PHlophe Год назад
before you molly whopped the unruly relative ?
@SF-eo6xf
@SF-eo6xf Год назад
Wrong demography
@slconley
@slconley Год назад
I watched the body camera video of this. It was so hard to watch the adults treat this little boy in this way. They should be ashamed of themselves.
@11cabadger
@11cabadger Год назад
OMG that's terrible. The cops. The parent. The school personnel. And we wonder why that little boy is going to need the money for psychiatric help. If he manages to reach the age to recover it. Your observations are, as always, humorous & fitting. I think your right about their behavior & "true maturity level". Until I saw this video, I couldn't understand why not having a child in your life justifies treating a kid so insensitively. Thanks for presenting the idea that never questioning poor parenting sadly leads to the grown-up child becoming a reflection of their parent.
@ms.blanche8578
@ms.blanche8578 Год назад
I will never forget the amount of pressure that was placed on me 30 years ago to whip my young children by older relatives. I stood my ground though. BTW, I have two awesome college educated young adult children that I could not be more prouder of. Taking away privileges & time out works if a person will take the time to explore this type of discipline. Communication is key with your children.
@kingdele01
@kingdele01 Год назад
I do believe that those should be the first resort while attempting to discipline children. However, one should never remove corporal punishment from the toolkit of possible punishments. Also, having college education does not mean one does not have personality traits that come from lack of parental discipline!
@nadadhibi
@nadadhibi Год назад
@@kingdele01 nothing worse than personality traits of corporal punishment anger issues antisocial behavior. literally every dongle serial killer out there has been beat up as a child. when will you people learn hitting someone years snd years younger 10 times smaller than you is disgusting and leads to nothing good
@kingdele01
@kingdele01 Год назад
@@nadadhibi That is complete nonsense! According to that logic, then past generations of Americans & Europeans should all be serial killers, since corporal punishment was not only practiced in the homes, but in society (schools, courts, etc....)
@Andreamom001
@Andreamom001 Год назад
For heaven’s sake, he’s a child. He is barely more than a baby. He’s only been in the world for a short time. He needed help and support, not physical and verbal abuse! Ugh, that poor kid.
@badtrips
@badtrips Год назад
If that kid is already behaving like a psycho then he does need discipline. I guarantee you he will be in prison at some point in his life
@Stephanie-hl8jo
@Stephanie-hl8jo Год назад
I am a teacher in the DC area and I've seen versions of this situation many times. I appreciate your analysis from the bottom of my heart.
@breathnstop
@breathnstop Год назад
My son acted out like that in kindergarten after lunch once. Thank god his teacher called me and not the cops because I'm afraid of what they would have done to a little black boy acting out. We found out he had low blood sugar and it had dropped very low before lunch. He was disoriented and confused and frightened. My son is now a 40 year old nurse practitioner and gets awards from the hospital all the time for his excellence in care. Police need training in first aid and medical emergencies. It seems that the cruelest most hateful sadistic people are attracted to and retained in police work in America. It's probably due to the fact that policing started here as slave catching.
@kimberlysmith7311
@kimberlysmith7311 Год назад
Great Analysis Dr. Grande. I think like you said, the officers didn't know any better then what their parents taught then, and that's sad actually. 💞
@Jujubean9795
@Jujubean9795 Год назад
They called his parents far too late. As a mother, I would be absolutely LIVID! She had no idea what her son had endured before they even bothered to call her.
@TomikaKelly
@TomikaKelly Год назад
It sounds like the boy regularly behaves like this. As a mother, if this is your kid's behavior then he should be homeschooling NOT being a burden on the teachers and school admin.
@StarlahMutiny
@StarlahMutiny Год назад
@@TomikaKelly no. You dont homeschool a kid for acting like a kid... this is insane.
@viviennelee2215
@viviennelee2215 Год назад
@@TomikaKelly you really want him to get beat behind closed doors without a single witness do you
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Nah I’m pretty sure she knew what she hath wrought.
@Jujubean9795
@Jujubean9795 Год назад
@@TomikaKelly I don’t think so. They would have expelled him. Even if he has a history of misbehaving, homeschooling is not the answer. He’s only FIVE! Beating a five year old is never the right answer.
@websurfer5772
@websurfer5772 Год назад
As adults we play out our childhood programming. There should be TV shows about how to parent without being abusive. In the '80s they had a show on PBS just like that on TV and it was a live broadcast of a class I was taking in college by a wonderful professor who knew how to deal with discipline without resorting to negative tactics.
@OpinionatedBastage
@OpinionatedBastage Год назад
I certainly agree that the officers were ill-equipped and handled the situation poorly. With that said, I also believe the child's mother has done a very poor job raising him thus far. The extreme behavior of that child suggests he has a substandard parent or parents and I'd say that's putting it kindly.
@judyannstreich7499
@judyannstreich7499 Год назад
And Mom then turns around & sues everyone for big bucks and they pay $250,000 ?? That, to me, is rewarding bad parenting or was Mom just kidding when she said she wanted to beat the boy too??
@OpinionatedBastage
@OpinionatedBastage Год назад
@@judyannstreich7499 I was thinking the same thing.
@TheAnubis57
@TheAnubis57 Год назад
@@judyannstreich7499 Good point. I was about to comment hat too. May I add that the mother maybe a doting her son the point that he'll be sociopath someday.
@AcPh-nc3vz
@AcPh-nc3vz Год назад
Don’t know the situation. The child could have a developmental disability that the parent is not aware of or equipped to handle.
@theuprising4847
@theuprising4847 Год назад
These kids can be very difficult to deal with. Should have called a social worker instead of the police. Other than that I don't know. Glad I'm not a parent. The kids $hi++y behavior paid off ching ching
@Khaleesi_Of_Kittens
@Khaleesi_Of_Kittens Год назад
Or the parents, maybe??
@theuprising4847
@theuprising4847 Год назад
@@Khaleesi_Of_Kittens Sending police to deal with this is like sending a child psychologist out to write traffic tickets. Says the money is in a trust for the kid. Wonder if he can collect it if he's in custody of the youth authority. Give him a teddy bear, a juice pack, and call it good.
@ashleyvestal9030
@ashleyvestal9030 Год назад
Yes!! Don't call police for a 5-yr-old. Call a mental health professional. Police are not trained for this. They (the children) need intense, in-patient, psychiatric help. Regardless of home life, they need help from caring, professional people.
@annalisegiovanni7032
@annalisegiovanni7032 Год назад
Hey Dr. Grande💞 Thank you for the new video! It's really nice to have a new video from you to watch after spending all weekend with a ton of family. I hope you're having a great holiday weekend!!
@LisaPFrampton
@LisaPFrampton Год назад
I absolutely LOVE the last thought you shared with us! Perfectly put and exactly right on.
@mr.dickbutttheog2064
@mr.dickbutttheog2064 Год назад
“You don’t go to prison for beating your child. I-what? Is this guy for real? Oh my god, I can’t believe how incredibly stupid this guy is. Apparently abuse doesn’t exist to this poor excuse of a “man”. The fact they were encouraging the woman to beat her own child is just disgusting. Hope those men don’t have families of their own (Highly doubt any sane women would’ve want to be with them in the first place) Anyways, amazing video Dr. Grande! Love you analysis and opinions 🤗
@lisaa.4667
@lisaa.4667 Год назад
He was also aware that he had a body camera recording everything. He didn't think the footage would be problematic for him and the police department. I guess he doesn't think that often.
@BrassLock
@BrassLock Год назад
Yesterday was *_Father's Day_* in Australia 🇦🇺. The timing of this analysis was perfect in suggesting how not to parent a young boy.
@nou712
@nou712 Год назад
It's not about fathers, it's about subsarahan IQ's attempting to live in modern society.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Single mothers are not how to raise boys
@chrissied4902
@chrissied4902 Год назад
The statement of realizing your parents had no idea what they were doing is so powerful! Very freeing.
@teemadarif8243
@teemadarif8243 Год назад
Thank you ! I found your analysis to be spot on , to say the least. Your professional opinion is very much appreciated and needed .
@yvettemarie9236
@yvettemarie9236 Год назад
These officers behaved poorly. Children have difficulty verbalizing emotions so they may act out. It sounds like he would benefit from counseling and skills training to help. His mom would benefit from parenting skills training to help learn effective ways to communicate and discipline without spanking. I was spanked, not much because I had a big sister and I learned what not to do. I did have a positive police interaction with my son who 15 and ran away. He found him talked to him calmly when he brought him home and offered to be available if he ever needed to talk. Great guy. These guys could take note.
@ZYX84
@ZYX84 Год назад
How did that make you feel? That’s one of the best questions I was ever asked when I was this age. 😊. Ask the right questions. Use the right words. Simply ask yourself how would you want to be treated and be honest.
@oOIIIMIIIOo
@oOIIIMIIIOo Год назад
The first I would have said is 'Hey, dude, boy, kid (or whatever), we were called because you have a problem,. What's your name? Oh, Timmy, ok, so, we see you are standing angrily at that car, can you tell us, why you ran away from class, Kindergarten?...Surely the better walk in, than that crazy outburst. 😄
@oregonsnob31
@oregonsnob31 Год назад
Dr Grande Ive watched at least a hundred of your videos and followed you for over a year and this particular video is hands down, your best, in my opinion. Too many bright points to list. I just want you to know how much you add to so many lives and how grateful I am for your astute candor on some current events and past events…. Resulting in group learning by using critical thinking and honesty.
@taylorallen9253
@taylorallen9253 Год назад
as a preschool teacher who deals with temper tantrums DAILY, the ONLY thing that helps is by bringing the child’s energy down and if you come in hot you will only ever make a situation once. always remember that as the adult, you have experience in situations in which you don’t k ow what to do, are scared, or even mad. Children have little to zero coping skills and it’s our jobs as adults to show them that we take deep breaths, address the issue, and come up with solutions together.
@SandyS107
@SandyS107 Год назад
I have worked many years with students with behavioural problems. It is best to try and deescalate ths situation ar hand. Yelling and screaming only causes problems to get worse. The police only needed to calm things down and return the child to school. If they really wanted to help they could have waited until the mental health worker arrived or the mother. The mental health worker would likely know the child the best and what works and what doesn't. Fortunately many police officers are getting training in the last few years in dealing with mental health issues. Many police now can do out without uniforms accompanied by a social worker for crisis team work.
@jackychamber534
@jackychamber534 Год назад
I wonder, who showed more behaviour of a little angry child, the cops or the 5 year old?
@Renee_VSJ
@Renee_VSJ Год назад
Happy Labor Day, Dr. Grande! Thank you so much for everything you do!
@A358M
@A358M Год назад
I saw the footage last year . The cruelty ,the bulling,the mental taunting, the interigation the police did to that little boy broke my heart. The police weren't talking to him ,they were abusing him! That little boy,throughout his adult life will be traumatized for what those dispicable police did to his syche. Also,his mother complying with the two police bullies infuriated me.
@gabidiac3285
@gabidiac3285 Год назад
I'm too Eastern European to get this stuff. Our parents always beat us if we go too crazy. It's not like we're abused or anything, in my case I would need to be a big asshole to get a slap. I never had marks or had too much pain after such "beatings", I was more like scared. But I can't image what the hell could my parents do, because I was really pushing them over the edge. To be honest I don't feel bad about it, I would have turned out way worse if I was let to be an asshole. It might be toxic to you, but it is what it is. No parent likes to hit thier child, really
@TomikaKelly
@TomikaKelly Год назад
Same. I'm too Caribbean for this mess. The ass whooping my momma would've laid to my backside would've been EPIC. Fixed my behavior right up.
@THE-id1by
@THE-id1by Год назад
Agree having a tantrum would've gotten me a talking to and maybe no toys or tv for a day or so, leaving school for any reason other than a fire or an active school shooter would have added a spanking. In retrospect, I am good with that.
@Shannonbarnesdr1
@Shannonbarnesdr1 Год назад
@@THE-id1by for those who think corporal punishment is effective ; then tell me why, the 60+ countries that have outlawed physical punishment, the kids, (and adults), are in general happier, they are better behaved over all, there are far lower crime rates, school performance is higher, school drop outs and prison /re-offenders are much lower than in places that allow physical punishment, also just violence and crime is much lower as well its not a lack of corporal punishment that is the problem, the problem with '' kids today'' is very poor examples being set, you have non-attentive parents, not much in ways of positive role models or mentors, mental health screening and pro-active treatment usually does not happen, or are attempted until its too late, also kids these days oftentimes do not have healthy positive outlets for their energy and emotions.
@robertgiles9124
@robertgiles9124 Год назад
Now that the little beast knows he can get a quarter Million for acting out...wait for the sequel.
@JaneDoe-fn8ni
@JaneDoe-fn8ni Год назад
Exactly what I was thinking.
@dianedeck
@dianedeck Год назад
Exactly, prime example of rewarding misbehavior.
@shayb413
@shayb413 Год назад
Ummm, NO. These Officers traumatized this kid THOROUGHLY, and encouraged his Mom to BEAT HIM, over and over they did this. If this happened to ME at age 5, I would've been left traumatized and terrified of the Police FOR LIFE!! Besides, it sounds like this kid may be having a rough time- by the time he turns 18, $250,000, after taxes, it won't even be THAT crazy much money. It could pay for his college or go towards a first home for his family. I'm just so glad it's not going to his Mom, and WILL be saved until he's older. I just think there was NO EXCUSE for the Police to act this way, and the kid was 5- the POLICE were the ones with the "bad behavior", come on people! This isn't rewarding a 5 year old's "bad behavior", it's saying it's UNACCEPTABLE for Police officers to treat a child like an ANIMAL, and traumatize him, and encourage and instruct his mother over and over again to beat him anytime he acts out. How is that even KIND OF acceptable to you??
@THE-id1by
@THE-id1by Год назад
A quarter million in 15 years, I don't believe that would have any consequence on child's current behavior --its too remote..
@robertgiles9124
@robertgiles9124 Год назад
@@shayb413 Maybe not for the kid....but for you....I'd consider it. LOL
@Flamsterette
@Flamsterette Год назад
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande.
@thesollylama130
@thesollylama130 Год назад
My kid got arrested at 10. A cop showed up at my door at 1030 on a school night to run my 10 year old into the pokey for assault. Then the city had no one willing to take a 10 year old for community service other than trash pick up on the side of the highway (which I wasn't about to let my child do). They literally wanted to put my 10 year old in an orange jumpsuit on the interstate. Some kids got in a spat at the bus stop and were throwing rocks at each other. Nothing big until my kid grabbed a chunk of asphalt and landed a hit right on some other kid's eye. That did some real damage to this poor boy. My kid said NOTHING to mom or I. Just acted like it never happened. So imagine our surprise when a cop is at our door talking about hauling in my 10 year old. The hurt kid went to school the next day with a black eye and nearly passed out likely from a concussion. The school of course thinks abuse at home and calls the police. The story comes out and my kid gets pinned for it. We ended up just paying all the medical bills and dad's lost wages for having to get his kid from school. No problem, I'd probably be less reasonable if my kid came home beat up like that. But once the law got involved it became stupid. Mostly they wanted money, fines, court costs, etc. Anything for a dollar. They had no part of this entire thing beyond holding out their hand for cash. Part of the plea was community service but no one would take responsibility for a 10 year old but the road crew and I almost got myself arrested telling that idiot what I thought of their excuse for drawing a paycheck from tax dollars. In the end a teacher friend of mine signed an affidavit saying my kid helped her create some class plan for kindergarten and that counted for community service. All this- because my kid turned 10. In Colorado, if he had been 9- there would have been no charges. Also, not long after that Pueblo, CO police tazed a preteen fending them off with a stick. And the locals cheered. They loved the idea of a little kid being electrocuted by grown men afraid of a child with a stick. Anyone that questioned the need to taze a child got shouted down by the mob.
@THE-id1by
@THE-id1by Год назад
All of this because your kid threw and assaulted another child with a chunk of asphalt blackening his eye and concussing him. You didn't mention how you addressed your child's misbehavior. Did you discuss the wrong and dangerous nature of the conduct, did you remove privileges or favorite items, did you require extra chores so your child covered at least part of the other child's medical expenses.
@thesollylama130
@thesollylama130 Год назад
​@@THE-id1by How we punished my kid at home is irrelevant to the topic of the police response and the court person's inability to think for herself and realize putting a child on the side of an interstate in a jumpsuit is not appropriate. What we did as parents was realize young children do dumb things that sometimes have consequences. But in a reasoned way that our police state and pointless court system is incapable of. Applying a logical set of punishments and restrictions rather than reading a line from a book and saying 'well looks like your kid is on the chain gang'. (now give me $1200 in fines) We had a very cordial conversation with the other boy's parents as well. They were quite understanding and of course we were very apologetic. My kid was also the youngest in that melee, the other kids were a couple years older and were basically picking on the littler kids as they got off the bus- something their son had already been in trouble for.
@hanb8737
@hanb8737 Год назад
$275K for that?? It’s almost tempting to get your 5 year old to “act out” to pay for their future college fund 🤷‍♀️
@jbrown8601
@jbrown8601 Год назад
Indeed 😊
@sketchysketches381
@sketchysketches381 Год назад
I wonder if they're idealization of authority, respect, and their parents lead them to pick a career where they could demand respect and weaponize authority. They turned into brick walls at the slightest sign of resistance from a 5to, they've really let their jobs and upbringing warp their sense of why authority would be respected into "it just should"
@PrimericanIdol
@PrimericanIdol Год назад
Your first "their" is wrong, but good point.
@sketchysketches381
@sketchysketches381 Год назад
@@PrimericanIdol I noticed but I got off work at 2am and was dead tired after watching this. I was too lazy to edit it
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
Yeah what authority is a school and the police to demand a five year old not roam around town when he pleases?
@HeavenEarthFloral9
@HeavenEarthFloral9 Год назад
Excellent analysis Dr Grande. A very important topic. The shocker is rewarding the child for throwing a tantrum! I was beaten as a child. As an adult having to deal with my young niece throwing a tantrum, i would look at her and ask: "Why are you laughing, what's so funny?" I kept repeating this until she realized she was not in control. I would love the response from her, "I'm not laughing!" Never acknowledge behavior one does not find appropriate.
@SwimminWitDaFishies
@SwimminWitDaFishies Год назад
Just watch an episode of Nanny 911 (or SuperNanny) and you'll see that 99% of behavior problems stem from the quality of parental interaction with their children. No institution of boundaries and failure to impose consequences are the prime root cause for kids behaving badly.
@winnieloh4279
@winnieloh4279 Год назад
It’s a show that’s curated. There’s good lessons but they didn’t show the ones where their approach fails because the child has other underlying neurological issues.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Год назад
@@winnieloh4279 this still jives with everything I’ve seen in my life. I’ve known many criminals and watched them grow up. Patterns emerge
@sylwia7060
@sylwia7060 Год назад
Wtf? 😲This is totaly INSANE to listen to for me who lives in Norway were they can't put handcuffs until you are 16 y old and even then they 9 out of 10 times DON'T do that.... so sorry this scared little kid had to go thrue this horrible trauma😢, sending lots of love and light 💝
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