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Ludwig von Mises is turning around in his grave, hearing what people from Mises Intitute speaks about russia. He was from Lviv so he was russia-realistic, what means "rusophobic".
I like Hoppe’s criticism to Americanism and democracy and I think he it’s a great author, however, Ancaps are wrong about geopolitics about Russia, your arguments are much better in this topic, specially because you’re Polish. Blessings from Colombia.
Wielu Libertarian chyba z góry chce robić na przekór decyzjom swoich rządów nawet jak bywają one dobre i uzasadnione. Takim zachowaniem przypominają tylko rozwydrzone i złośliwe dzieci.
Thanks for making this. I'm a Ukrainian-American who actually spoke at this conference. I'm extremely disappointed by the whole lot of these people. I can't imagine they are this stupid, but at the same time, I can't imagine they are conscious Kremlin agents. It's total bizzaro world for me.
I am really having trouble forgiving myself for uncritical support I used to have for the likes of Hoppe, Woods etc. years ago and not seeing the evil and nihilism this "paleo" ideology implies when followed in the real world.
"wojna kibiców" to nie to samo co wojna dwóch zorganizowanych organizmów państwowych, gdzie przymusowo są wcielani ludzie. Kibice jeszcze nie organizują przymusowego poboru.
@@Laskuna Jednak cheć zabicia kogoś i zabrania mu bogactwa pojawia się dużo wcześniej niż państwo. Możesz sobie poczytać o ludobustwach w erze kamienia łupanego. Nawet szympansy prowadzą wojny, więc to jest naturalna rzecz dla życia na tej planecie. Libkowe twierdzene, że to państwo nas do tego zmusza jest naiwne i ignoruje nature ludzką.
@@tsulkalu4589 Ale bijatyka to nie wojna, ustawka, czy rodzinna wendeta. Wojna to to samo tylko w sposób zorganizowany odgórnie. Jak sie tłuką dwa plemiona to wiedza o co walczą - przegrani będą wymordowani ( może i zjedzeni ). Żołnierz na wojnie ma zwykle mętne pojęcie o co faktycznie toczy się wojna.
Ukraińcy wiedzą, że bronią swojej niepodległości - i drogi ku Zachodowi. Ruski żołdak tylko rabuje, gwałci i morduje - jego świadomość jest świadomością dzikiego
already can see where this is going to go and I'm already 3 minutes in. the problem with your rebuttal is that you're not even contending with Hoppe on his points, you're using classical liberalism as a world view, which includes over arching hegemonical institutions and includes aggression as a basis of society. To anarchism, which doesn't give prescriptions on hegemonical institutions, and denies that society can be made with aggression built in, and still be justified to exist. Your problem is that you think one aggressive state is better than another simply because they don't violate as many rights. Evil is evil, and the fact you would prefer less evil over no evil, shows where your priorities lie.
Classical liberalism is about man's rights - that is, to protect his rights from being violated - including violated by foreign states and non-state actors like Hamas. A nihilist anarchist like Hoppe or Rothbard doesn't care about man's rights if a state protects them - he focuses on attacking such a state even if there is an immediate threat from an illiberal rights-violating state nearby (or a non-state actor like religious fanatics from Hamas). Position of Hoppe, Rothbard et al is completely undefendable and when applied in reality would usher in a 1990s Yugoslavia-style civil war
@@KelthuzOfficial Sure ill agree that clasical liberalism is about defending mans rights, but it is the folly of many clasical liberals, and many utilitarians, to believe that you can protect rights better by violating rights in some places. That is to say, "you can stop more rape, by forcing one woman to be the Town whore, locked in a stockade against her will." The matter of violent state or non state actors existing and being violent belligerents has nothing to do with the efficacy of the state's attempting to protect rights by violating them. Its ironic really that you would use the term "nihilist" to describe Rothbard and Hoppe. Considering that to be a nihilist you have to reject the notion of meaning, or in better terms, value in concern to things. In rejecting value of things you also must reject the value of rights. So then why would Hoppe or Rothbard be nihilists if they work so feverishly to secure all rights? Instead it would be the nihilist who thinks that individuals being forced to sacrifice a few of their rights, to secure others for themselves and others, would be preferable.
a classical liberal state does not violate any rights, but exists solely to protect them. Hoppe does not care about rights. He says he cares about "private property" but in his scheme there would be no secure private property, as only the biggest landowners with their own armies would be able to secure their fiefdoms while others would be forced to be tenants on the latifundia, with no actual rights - literally serfs. @@connocuinn
Doskonałym przykładem zajebistej rady hoppego, że małe państwa powinny zachowywać nautralność wobec mocarstw, jest Białoruś. Takie balansowanie to bardzo niestabilna sytuacja i prędzej czy później się skończy, z tym że nie mamy wyboru po której stronie
I think a vassal owes his sovereign loyalty, not necessarily material support and keeping vassals dependent, financially or otherwise is a good way to keep them loyal, guess framed this way the Ukraine could be understood as US' vassal. But yeah, Hoppe shows his bias by calling Ukrainians ‘useful idiots’ for fighting, as if their interests couldn't align with America's. On a different note, I don’t think that ‘democracy = always good’ thinking is correct. True, democracies tend to be less aggressive that autocracies, but that might just be due to different modes of failure in the systems, with democracy falling apart and autocracy devolving into tyranny. Countries like Liechtenstein and Singapore are not exactly democratic but still efficient and have high standards of living, while many democracies in South America cannot enforce their own laws. Both democratic and non-democratic systems can succeed or fail.
Some democracies are deficient because of lack of vital elements like rule of law, widespread private property, high trust society - and even lack of cultural acumen for democratic/republican form of government. In absence of elites who could carry on the process of implementing proper rule of law and privatization such countries spiral down into populist hellholes
Kelthuz, czy uważasz że czasami tzw. złe dyktatury na bliskim wschodzie, które trzymają ludzi pod butem i ginie kilkaset ludzi rocznie, są lepszym rozwiązaniem niż upadek tych państw (Libia, Irak, Syria - działalność USA, rosji, turcji....) i śmierć kilkaset tysięcy, wojny domowe itd. ???
Saddam wymordował znacznie więcej, i obecny Irak jest znacznie lepszym miejscem do życia - co nie uzasadnia jednak poświęcania własnych obywateli w celu interwencji
Na kanale good times bed times wrzucili ostatnio analizę Libii po obaleniu Kadafiego. Ro raczej dobrze gry ludzie próbują wziąć los we własne ręce, niestety im się zbrodnicze reżymy mieszają i ustanawiają swoje marionetki, przez co nie może dojść do stabilizacji i normalizacji życia.
chyba najlepszym sposobem jest próba cywilizowania wszelkich totalitaryzmów - łączenia ich gospodarek łańcuchami dostaw, wymiana handlowa, szkolnictwo wyższe itd, tak się stało z Wietnamem, Kambodżą, korea pd. tez była do lat 80-tych rządzoną przez generałów
@@MacLuckyPTP Azov was formed in May after the takeover of Crimea and the takeover of Donbas by Girkin's group. What do you think the Ukrainians were supposed to do? Just get conquered? Do you think I would pet the Russians too if they attacked Suwałki? How do you even see the world covered in daisies?
Mam wrażenie, że mówicie trochę o 2 różnych rzeczach ty mówisz o tym jak powinno być w świecie idealnym, czyli że państwa się nawzajem nie atakują itp a ten typ mówił o rzeczywistości realnej, w której państwa takie jak Rosja jednak istnieją, więc nie powinniśmy ich prowokować
