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Poor Man's Winch - Using ratchet straps for winch duties 

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@ThriftyGarage
@ThriftyGarage 7 лет назад
Never seen that style of ratchet strap. Definitely like that design. Thanks for the suggestion.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Yes, it was pretty cool the first time I saw and I I figured it was worth a try... and it was :)
@superslice761
@superslice761 2 года назад
Me too! I use ratchet straps a LOT, for tying down and as a come along. I just loaded a small wood hauling trailer, whose axle broke, onto a flatbed using ratchet straps. I would've benefited from these types. I'm going to get some. Thanks! 😊👍🏽
@chrisezelle
@chrisezelle 5 месяцев назад
👍🏼😀
@selador11
@selador11 7 лет назад
Yep. I have done that for years. Here's another pointer. If you don't have the ratchet, or come along, with you... Use that rope and/or the strap that doesn't ratchet. In this case, the longer the better. Tie it off at both ends, Your car and a tree. Now you can walk to the middle of the rope, and push or pull the rope sideways. Your car will move at least a few inches. Have someone chock the wheels. Then take up the slack in the rope, and do it all over again. I can move my 89 f250 uphill incredibly easy this way. If you want the vehicle to pull in a straight line, alternate the direction that you pull on the rope, every other pull.
@FullSpectrumSurvival
@FullSpectrumSurvival 7 лет назад
Great video and something that should be included in every car kit.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Brad! I got stuck many years ago and needed a guy to pull me out... well, ever since then I've kept a heavy ratchet strap or come along in the trunk for self rescue. They're definitely not as quick as a traditional winch... but they certainly fill the need!
@sebastianandjennifer1810
@sebastianandjennifer1810 2 года назад
This video is so helpful. I watched it a few years ago, bought 2 quickloader ratchet straps, then never used them and forgot what you taught me. Just watched it again and now I can use them. Many thanks for posting this great video. Also love the technique of removing impossible T-posts. Great content. Thanks a million. Best wishes.
@ajoythipaiah5897
@ajoythipaiah5897 2 месяца назад
Awesome videos. Pretty much described all the uses very precisely. Thank you from India.
@MaruAdventurer
@MaruAdventurer 7 лет назад
Double the power. Make a snatch block the width of the webbing. Snatch block to the hitch, webbing thru pulley head, standing ends attached to a tree then winch away. Good video.
@lasvegasloner4621
@lasvegasloner4621 5 лет назад
Many of us don't know hat a snatch block is. Sounds great... double the power. It's just that most watching a video like this probably don't have any idea what it is. Can you describe?
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 Год назад
Adding a snatch block actually reduces the power. You're very confused in your terminology.
@kenl5217
@kenl5217 7 лет назад
Thumbs up. Useful info. I didn't even know there was such a thing as a quickloader.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Ken! me neither until recently... sooo much better than that tub of straps that I showed in the beginning!
@johnsullivan8712
@johnsullivan8712 7 лет назад
BRILLIANT! Thanks so much for that. I will use that tomorrow to get a log untangled from a tree at the edge of my pond. HOPEFULLY without falling in. Why didnt I ever think of that? Really Thanks. BTW, I really apprecaite the shipping container shop series too. My compliments. Well producted videos, short and sweet and very informative.
@blackberryhideout5793
@blackberryhideout5793 7 лет назад
I always carry a ratchet strap in the vehicle- just in case. And, a couple of years ago the tree in our front yard fell over in a haboob and we used the strap to pull the tree back upright again so it could be secured. So useful! I really like the swinging portion of the video!!
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
haha.. you're only the second person to mention the swinging:) But that's because you're an awesome sister! :)
@blackberryhideout5793
@blackberryhideout5793 7 лет назад
It reminded me a little of when we would swing on vines in LA. :)
@diy-chris1332
@diy-chris1332 7 лет назад
love that kind of stuff! I have a lot of it in my pickup.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Chris! I tool love to find multiple uses for things like this. I keep a couple in my car for whatever I might need them for:) Joe
@catdiesel7302
@catdiesel7302 7 лет назад
I've used come alongs for years​ for different things but I never thought about picking up a welder..... great stuff Joe!!! keep it up :)
@oscarbear7498
@oscarbear7498 Год назад
Lol
@dustman96
@dustman96 7 лет назад
Cool ideas. I like ratcheting straps even more now. They have been so incredibly useful to me thus far for much more than just securing loads.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
yes, they are pretty darn useful things... I didn't tell the story as to why I originally starting carrying the come along... but in short I got stuck in some mud with this very car and luckily a guy with a truck was able to pull me out... but if he hadn't been there I would have been stuck for at least a day. so ever since I've carried something that I could use to self rescue :) Joe
@fadsadmo3254
@fadsadmo3254 7 лет назад
Great information that helps add safety into your items one needs for emergency, I am definitely going to add it to my trucks safely box. Thank you again.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Fadsad... yes, they are invaluable to keep for all sorts of emergency needs:) Joe
@wyattandwill12
@wyattandwill12 3 года назад
Thanks for the video! I’m planning on using ratchet straps to pull my crossmember/engine/transmission/all that out from under my car. The main issue is that it’s a (storage) garage on the other side so I might have to try using my body leaning back as the stationary object to attach the back side to, just wrapping it around my hands multiple times. I think it’ll be around 1000-1.5k lbs. I may be able to get a few other people to stand on the other side with me. Main issue is knowing if my jack will be able to lift the body up high enough to remove everything, it’s 24 1/4” inches and my jack stands are slightly lower.
@captainmikehagen459
@captainmikehagen459 Год назад
A big note here, NEVER EVER WINCH OFF OF A TOW BALL, they aren’t designed to withstand the extreme loads places on them by a winch and will frequently shear off and kill either the winch operator or a bystander
@mnight207
@mnight207 4 года назад
You have no idea how much I LOVE these videos and your channel.!!!
@AkshayBhavsar1989
@AkshayBhavsar1989 4 года назад
This is a genius idea. I usually carry a hilift jack on my rig for winching but it's way too complex and dangerous to set up just to winch a few inches. Plus it takes an enormous amount of time. The quickloader ratchet strap looks to be faster/easier/more compact method to winch out in an emergency. I just bought one on home depot online.
@Scorpio_Rider
@Scorpio_Rider 4 года назад
Where Did you find that bro
@PermacultureHomestead
@PermacultureHomestead 7 лет назад
thx for the tips joe, gettin a truck soon , this will be a must
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Awesome Tory! I've been wanting to get a truck soon as well! You been seeing any good deals where you're at? I've been keeping an eye out on CL for a small utility truck that I can haul stuff with... but my wife mentioned that it might be worth it to get a full size for the future tiny travel trailer I'm gonna build:)
@PermacultureHomestead
@PermacultureHomestead 7 лет назад
i keep an eye on county auctions, can generally grab a nice duty truck for 2500 cash,
@crash-tx4rh
@crash-tx4rh 2 года назад
So funny the examples u used🤣, but very useful. I was about to buy a electric winch but I didn't know about those.👍👍
@Razturaztam
@Razturaztam Год назад
That's exactly what I was looking for! Hope 4T 4m quickloader will be enough for my 3,2T van
@MordecaiV
@MordecaiV 7 лет назад
The quickloader link (not the amazon one) seems to be broken, just going to headgear and filter masks
@johnscomments9854
@johnscomments9854 3 года назад
Sure could have used on of these this past weekend. Got my Jeep Cherokee stuck in the snow in the middle of nowhere. One 8 mile hike and $500 towing bill later I got out, but this would have really done the trick!
@jsirkerp
@jsirkerp 3 года назад
Thanks so much for the video! Some of us cannot install a normal winch in our cars! But this solution is very clever.
@nonameHEF
@nonameHEF 7 лет назад
You have a nice car :-) Kind regards from Germany
@USNERDOC
@USNERDOC 7 лет назад
Well done! That is for sure a "thumbs up" video ;-)
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Doc! Joe
@crpth1
@crpth1 7 лет назад
+USNERDOC - +1 :-)
@EternalDetroit
@EternalDetroit 7 лет назад
I got my car stuck in the sandy trails up here last year and the only tools I had available were ratchet straps and a crappy shovel. Took some work but using leverage with the straps we were able to wiggle the car free and get on our way.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
That's a great success story to hear... maybe it wasn't your ideal set up but you got it done in the end! That was what motivated me to start carrying one of these. A few years back i got stuck in mud and needed someone to pull me out and ever since I've carried something to be able to help me self rescue:)
@TedAlexander24
@TedAlexander24 7 лет назад
Nice video Joe. Thanks for uploading.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks for checking it out Ted!
@VintageWoodWorkshop
@VintageWoodWorkshop 7 лет назад
awesome examples! I picked up a nice come along awhile ago at a flea market and it's in my truck storage box waiting to be used...have never had a need for one but just in case, thanks!
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
yes, better to have and not need then to need and not have. I started carrying them after I got stuck in mud several years ago and needed to be pulled out. After that experience I didn't want to have to rely on someone else to pull me out:)
@handlesaredumb1
@handlesaredumb1 6 лет назад
Hand crank boat winches are great as well. Don’t forget a pulley or two so you can compound the strength.
@prepper7159
@prepper7159 7 лет назад
Love the channel! So much useful info and actually demonstration
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Prepper71! Joe
@jbeez.
@jbeez. 7 лет назад
Bruh u are so great have the best most useful stuff on ur Channel it is so great keep up tha good work 👍🏻
@johnguilfoyle3073
@johnguilfoyle3073 2 месяца назад
The biggest limitation to the ratchet strap was, that since they weren't designed for this purpose, the pull is limited to how many wraps can be stacked into the center before you have to pull it apart and reset it. This was not demonstrated clearly in the video. Usually, a twenty-foot-long strap might only pull two feet. This new style still has the same limitations. The double-pull technique is good for pulling up a hill without losing progress during the required resets.
@Canadiansasquatchbrewery
@Canadiansasquatchbrewery 7 лет назад
Great stuff as always Joe! Cheers!
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Steve!
@AZBADBOYz
@AZBADBOYz 7 лет назад
For everyone interested in this type stuff, you need to check out The More Power Puller with AmSteel Blue Rope! Not a real budget tool but it can pull just about anything out with 12k pound capacity.
@deakemarschall2992
@deakemarschall2992 7 лет назад
Great, practical tips. I so HATE the "rats nest" strap pile I have that I will be putting a few of these QL's on my wish lists. Thanks.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks DW! yes, that rats nest of straps is so frusterating at times. these quickloaders are a BIG improvement in so many ways... easier to use, neater to store, etc,.... I love em!
@mmx3662
@mmx3662 7 лет назад
Very informative-good examples...it expands the imagination! :) Nicely explained! Now that you have a "swing", your daughter has a "swing"...when are you going to make your wife a "swing"? LOL!!! :) Love it!
@lasvegasloner4621
@lasvegasloner4621 5 лет назад
Just used those exact tools to pull my old SUV out a month ago... it's all I could afford at the time. Maybe some days real winch, but for now I want the type of ratchet strap you have. The internet is great in some ways like finding this video and amazon, etc... however sometimes there so much out there you never know about it unless the right word are used or you keep searching, sometimes with no help. I like to see what's on the shelf --everything the place has so I don't wonder-- wish the internet didn't waste my time with so many "related" products when all I want is every come-a-long and ratchet available, in a line, back to back. Nothing else. One thing that might help some if they have to improvise with different, questionable strength attachments and challenge (as in a 3,000 vehicle but stuck may be like puling 6,000 uphill)... is I usually drape my floor mats over a cable or strap incase something snaps and wants to come at me head at 400 mph. It can slow it down. Thanks again and I'll look for the Quickloader.
@FloTheBoo
@FloTheBoo 4 года назад
Thanks, this video saved me a ton of money.
@TheAdminjack
@TheAdminjack 3 года назад
Great ideas! Thank for sharing the vid.
@mikeh4686
@mikeh4686 Год назад
Seens like the take up spool would get larger after a few cranks making it hard to get any effective distance from strap. Maybe I'm not understanding.
@gur123noor
@gur123noor 3 года назад
Thanks! I am definitely going to get one for my trips to Tahoe during snow. How much should be the breaking strength of the ratchet strap? I have a Honda CR-V which weighs around 3500lbs. Also, do you recommend a cheap pulley system I can combine with this ratchet strap for those sticky situations? Most pulleys online are for thin ropes.
@tedmroyer
@tedmroyer 6 лет назад
Hey thank you for doing these. Great video.
@BumbleBeeJunction
@BumbleBeeJunction 7 лет назад
Great vid and a great suggestion to have on hand... I gotta add something, so.... LOL This should also lead into your next welding project... A sand anchor... They have some designs online that the rally drivers (etc) use, but its basically an anchor that you can bury (in minutes / by hand) in the sand to give you an anchor point for winching... 181
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Hmmm... that sound like something i'm gonna have to look into.... would negate having to find a tree or something to tie off too
@BumbleBeeJunction
@BumbleBeeJunction 7 лет назад
Most look like a sand anchor for a boat with what looks like a dirt plow face that you hand bury, and is designed to "plow" deeper into the sand the harder you pull on them... Loggers bury a log perpendicular to a anchor line... Or just carry your t-post and a 3 lb sledge and drive it to the hilt at an opposing angle to the direction of tow... Or flatten your tires to give them a broader grip... Or call AAA... Or call an Amish dude with a mule team... Or learn to drive on sand like northerners do snow... LOL The possibilities are endless !!! ahahahaha
@josephwaldron6542
@josephwaldron6542 2 года назад
Hahaha yes exactly what I was looking for Thank you
@frankdove4869
@frankdove4869 9 месяцев назад
What happens if you have change and two chain binders would that work for a come along
@socialmediatrends9820
@socialmediatrends9820 7 лет назад
nice idea Joe I think you can install electric motor and connect it with 2 ropes and motor running with 12 v which can be used with car battery
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks so much Majed! Yes, that is something that could definitely be in the future:) Joe
@thegeth4293
@thegeth4293 Год назад
Do you leave the vehicle in park when you winch it? I would be really scared standing in the path of an empty car in neutral
@coolkeedd
@coolkeedd 7 лет назад
one time my dad and I were riding ATV's in the imperial sand dunes in California when his ATV broke down, I had to tow his ATV back to camp through the sand dunes with jumper cables!
@fryloc359
@fryloc359 Год назад
I've done this. It's slow, but it works.
@Mate2Frio
@Mate2Frio 7 лет назад
Check out the Maasdam 3/4 Ton Rope Puller. With the right 1\2 in rope you can pull any length of rope..
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Very cool! I like it... might work its way into my garage one of these days:)
@bigunone
@bigunone 7 лет назад
You might want to look into a high lift AKA farm jack they have been the mainstay and sometimes bane of offroaders for years!
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
I've got a hi lift too and they are fantastic to have as well. But this was more about the portability and small factor of something that can be thrown in the trunk or behind the seat:)
@marinemomkerry
@marinemomkerry 2 года назад
I have a couple of different types of these I'm trying to figure out how I can lift my son out of his wheelchair inside our Chevy conversion Van to put him on the bench seat when I lay it down. Only has to go up about 6 in and I have a board across two of the cubbies super thick 4x4 got it from the trash bin at home Depot and it's wedged across the van in a cubby on each side it's not going anywhere
@mengel420
@mengel420 Год назад
You can literally just use ratchet straps rated to 10,000lbs, nothing too fancy. However, I like the ratchet strap you’re using and have never seen it before. What make/model is that???
@jl9678
@jl9678 3 года назад
Fantastic vid!
@wslandry
@wslandry 7 лет назад
Great idea!
@trajan6927
@trajan6927 2 года назад
Great video! Thank you!
@superflyp0
@superflyp0 2 года назад
THANKS 🥰I NEED TO PULL A RIDING MOWER . IT IS OLD A STUCK UNDER THE DECK.. CAN NOT MOVE IT . NOW I WILL😌 THANKS
@skiletic
@skiletic 4 года назад
I reached out to the TieDownStore that sells this product. They said unequivocally do NOT use their Quickloaders for this. What are your thoughts.
@skiletic
@skiletic 3 года назад
@John Connor well you see the question was about should i buy it, not should i use it if i have it
@arnoldbudd1751
@arnoldbudd1751 7 лет назад
I live in Arizona
@traveler7249
@traveler7249 6 лет назад
I have used these several times. I pulled a windblown building straight. - unstuck a stuck trailer
@tommymann69
@tommymann69 7 лет назад
i use a come a long to pull lawn mowers up on my trailer.its a,pain to push them up on the trailer. when the mower won't start
@JJ-bm2jj
@JJ-bm2jj 2 года назад
Thanks
@DaybirdAviaries
@DaybirdAviaries 7 лет назад
Very good ideas here.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks DBA! These things come in handy in so many ways:) thanks for checking it out:) joe
@freakygeaktwo
@freakygeaktwo 7 лет назад
great info thanks for sharing Happy New Years been a while since your last upload :D
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks FreakyGeek! Yes, I don't get them up more than one every week or so... but I'm hoping to change that. This and the welding cart are the first two for the year... but I'm gonna shoot for 60-70...hopefully:)
@davewilliams355
@davewilliams355 6 лет назад
Good to know, thanks
@ZenRebel33
@ZenRebel33 7 лет назад
Love this suggestion. What year is your Jetta and is it a TDI? Mine is a 2006 Jetta TDI same color with 207,000+ miles on it.
@user-rs1990
@user-rs1990 5 лет назад
For a car with an electronic e-brake, put the gear in Neutral before releasing the brake.
@tester1test699
@tester1test699 3 года назад
awesome, thank you
@hoomalimali6334
@hoomalimali6334 4 года назад
Excellent ~ Thanks Much!
@WoollyNZ
@WoollyNZ 7 лет назад
Great video of many. Please fix top link rzmask.
@znovosad555
@znovosad555 7 лет назад
Jeez those are some nice straps. The ones I bought at Home Depot are difficult to get slack out. I might have to order some of those. You said you got them at harbor freight?
@tamitng
@tamitng 7 лет назад
Great info, thanks!!
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Thanks Tami! Joe
@myjeepzia
@myjeepzia 7 лет назад
Love it. Thanks
@brianfisher781
@brianfisher781 7 лет назад
I was looking on Amazon for these. Couldnt find. What brand are they?
@Elaba_
@Elaba_ 6 лет назад
Brilliant.
@bigchiponmyshoulder7573
@bigchiponmyshoulder7573 Год назад
clever chap. some good ideas. thank you
@arkansasbeekeeper
@arkansasbeekeeper 7 лет назад
I really like the bigger strap with the recoil. Where did you get it? I went on Amazon and was unable to find one.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Hi Danny, I have a couple links to amazon as well as the company that makes them. Just scroll down below the description:) Joe
@jasonwstone
@jasonwstone 4 месяца назад
Looks like they don't see the strap type anymore. I wonder why..
@V8AmericanMuscleCar
@V8AmericanMuscleCar 5 лет назад
This is awesome!! I found 5 ton ratchet strap so I'm curious is it safe to use as a winch with 2 ton vehicle??
@ninemilliondollars
@ninemilliondollars 4 года назад
Look at your specifications like for this example of a 5-ton I found. Assembly Break Strength: 16,200 lbs. Working Load Limit: 5,400 lbs. Webbing Break Strength: 20,000 lbs.
@ninitinka
@ninitinka 4 года назад
What's the max load on those straps?
@usedtobecool6874
@usedtobecool6874 7 лет назад
very cool
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
thanks UTBC! Joe
@loveyourbrain1833
@loveyourbrain1833 7 месяцев назад
I've never seen a ratchet strap ratchet with a big drum like that that allows you to pull more than 2 inches
@WellsLarry
@WellsLarry 5 лет назад
thanks
@franciscodaschagas5739
@franciscodaschagas5739 6 лет назад
Legal.brasil quanto custa.comprar.
@uknowulikethat4042
@uknowulikethat4042 7 лет назад
did anyone drive by when you were doing tarzan ? I'd say they sped up pretty fast
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
hahaha... nope, about 2 minutes after I took it down someone came by.. lucky I had the camera and all the straps in the car... otherwise they might have started wondering what the heck I was doing:)
@janetsers4895
@janetsers4895 6 лет назад
what if you get stuck in there no trees around?
@robertmoore2885
@robertmoore2885 5 лет назад
Use your fat girlfriend
@bj97301
@bj97301 7 лет назад
Ha. Been there.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Yep, I had that very instance several years back and had to get pulled out by another guy... I felt helpless so that's the big reason why I always carry something now:)
@SuniSmith
@SuniSmith 6 лет назад
They can use you on the walking dead. If there’s an zombie apocalypse I’m coming with you.
@user-sr2cl9im8g
@user-sr2cl9im8g 7 лет назад
nice
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
thanks! Joe
@ScorpionRegent
@ScorpionRegent 7 лет назад
Ropes and tow straps, you're limiting yourself, chains, and cables can be used to move things too. You are over looking the really cool benefit of the D rings, doubling down for mechanical advantage.
@JesusMartinez-le6vn
@JesusMartinez-le6vn 7 лет назад
Sooo what if youre at the beach with no tree to tie down too?
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Jesus Martinez concrete stakes and a hammer 😀👍🏻
@finnblu3002
@finnblu3002 7 лет назад
Jesus Martinez abandon ship ...
@jokeplayer
@jokeplayer 6 лет назад
Then bury your spare tire in the sand as an anchor :)
@operator8014
@operator8014 5 лет назад
Asking for a friend, please hurry, tide is rising.
@Hawk-qn2zk
@Hawk-qn2zk 7 лет назад
I find the come along way stronger compared to a ratchet strap.
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
Yes, come along is a bit stronger but I like the single package of these and the use as a standard strap functionality. But I'll still use the come along as well as its super useful too:)
@weetreebonsai
@weetreebonsai 7 лет назад
tweeted!
@homesteadonomics
@homesteadonomics 7 лет назад
thanks WTB!
@josephscarfo793
@josephscarfo793 3 года назад
Great for my atv. 400$ for a winch from the dealership? No thanks.
@joec2442
@joec2442 3 года назад
But if you don’t have a strap like this that spools on itself it’s pointless
@lollerskates1992
@lollerskates1992 3 года назад
Keep in mind that if these snap it could kill/maim you.
@83malibuwagon
@83malibuwagon 3 года назад
A cable or chain yes but a strap doesn't store the kinetic energy they do.
@lollerskates1992
@lollerskates1992 3 года назад
@@83malibuwagon Not as much, but the whiplash could still mess you up. Watch videos of them snapping and you'll see. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hAY0oVwuzNY.html
@dawgrules1
@dawgrules1 5 лет назад
It could take 6000 lbs to pull a car out of sand with a 1500 lb strp or Chinese come along
@Gamma4x4
@Gamma4x4 2 года назад
👍🏼👍🏼🇲🇽
@claytontraise5903
@claytontraise5903 5 лет назад
time to lift a car off an engine and cradle with a couple 3 inchers
@fourbypete
@fourbypete 7 лет назад
Be careful using these techniques, I've seen these style ratchets fail and people get crushed by their vehicle.
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