Porsche 911 Carrera 4S v Carrera 2S | evo TRACK BATTLES 

Love the comparison between 2S & 4S, but would have preferred to see a comparison between very similar specs (both PDK, both Sport Chrono, both Sport Suspension, etc) to get a better idea of actual direct comparison.

That ducktail on the C2S makes it look gorgeous

Great track battle. I would love to see a rematch in the dry.

comparisons where not fair!!! BOTH cars should have either been equipped with PDK or with a MANUAL BOX.

C4S is always the best...having widebody all wheel drive and without the high maintenance of the turbo.

I would definitely spec the 991 in the 2S form, but with a proper 7 speed manual. For that reason, I would rather have a 7MT C4S than a PDK C2S. Great comparison and I'm pretty sure on the dry surface, it would be a great battle as the PDK and RWD would be able to cut that 7 second margin between the 2. At the same time, the C4S would slide less and could make an even better time.

Is it ever NOT raining in your videos. Guys! Time to move to a dryer climate to test your cars.

4S for me represents control for all whether conditions and the 2S represents a crash in your first mistake! A lot of fun until something go wrong... and the 4S let you slide at same!

Just bring that comparison somewhere it doesn't rain all the time... It's always raining there and you get a half-assed comparison. Oh great the 4 wheel drive car performs better in the rain... Really!?!? The guy that does the comparisons is cool people but please get a few day window to do this when it's dry...

Stupid comparrision due to the wet conditions -why didnt you start with the 2S!

Carrera 2S for me every single time!

FERRARI 599 GTO VS LAMBORGHINI MURCIELAGO SV! COME ON PUTTING A GTO BADGE IN A FERRARI IS LIKE PUTTING AN SV BADGE IN A LAMBORGHINI! THIS WOULD MAKE IT THE ULTIMATE TRACK BATTLE OF THE CENTURY!!!!!

I love the blue Carrera 4S, especially with a manual trans. Thanks.

Excellent video. One of the best I've seen. Unlike many others where they spend half the video talking BS and wasting time, this goes straight into the driving. Secondly, the shots from the outside are amazing and there are enough of them. Not just all from the inside of the car which is some of the most boring videos of all. Fantastic video.

Nice video! - A wish list? Do this again in the dry!

This was the exact review I was looking for... But it was tested only in the wet, which obviously favors the awd c4s.. I would like to see this battle also in the dry. That would make it a much more complete comparison. Not only for how fast the lap times would be, but also the agility and handling differences, in feel and performance. How they handle differ. How good is the c4s's awd system... Etc. Can you do a part 2 of this comparison? Thanks!!

Why do all these reporters drift the cars when doing a fastest lap test?? Don´t drift and you will get better lap times!! And this test is not ok, 4S vs S on a wet track, no, do this again with a dry track and same spec on the cars, and NO drifting!! Then the S would be faster, less weight and more traction out of corners!!

Is it ever not raining in the UK?

Awesome video! Really surprised by the gap in times.

Loving the ducktail spoiler on the C2S!

Awesome video but why do you these tests in Europe always seem to be on a wet track? Even Top Gear. It pretty much nullifies all of the results. No one really cares how the car does in the rain. It's the dry warm weather where you can explore the limits of these cars.

definitely 458 SPECİALE VS GT3 i can't wait this competition

Carrera 2S please! With the PDK box, and in the blue of the C4S if you could.

Great review and the conditions really did show why many 911 Porsche owners love the 4S. If you live in an area with lots of rain or snow then the confidence and safety the 4S offers makes a huge difference. Even in the dry the 4S offers more confidence in tight corner situations with the extra weight over the front axle along with front tires clawing away allow you to put down the power sooner. 4S is my pick every time. This is a nice spec car too. Only thing i would change for my pick is to put the yellow cars front bumper and ducktail on the 4S. That would be sweeet!! Great review, thanks!!

Suspension stiffness must surely have played a part here as well as accelerative traction? A softer car will usually go faster than a stiffer car in the wet if both are optimised.

I love the ducktail rears end on the C2S... How about an F40LM v. 458 Speciale? That would be an epic battle.

What about Fiesta ST vs Focus ST?

As an idea for a track battle, I'd like to see a McLaren P1 vs. Porsche 918. As a more practical track battle, the BMW M235i vs Audi S3 vs MB CLA45 would be interesting.

Haven't watched it yet. Betting on 4S.

it would be nice to see carerra 4s and audi R8 rain battle!

I'm pretty sure the PDK has a fully manual mode, in which it doesn't downshift on its own at all. Anyway, great video, too bad the battle got ruined by the rain :| Its clear that the C4S is really quick, but would it still be able to hold it in the dry? I'm even more interested now after seeing this huuuge 7 seconds difference. I expected something closer, 3-4 seconds. Also a GT3 vs 911 Turbos S or at least C2S would be nice... among other milions of car combinations :)

If a driver could have driven the 2S, the time difference would have been less.

Man of many watches! Well done for not following the crowd!!

Great Video! I would like to see a track battle between jaguar f-type coupe r and a ferrari California T! when the time comes of course...

Thank you for the interesting track battle. Would love to see one where a 991 C4S compares to a 991 C4S with power kit. Does the power kit make such a difference in performance and sound ????

Great track comparison, thank you. Can you please compare the new BMW235i and the superseded 135i M sport Coupe. I have the feeling that despite the increase in power, the 135 coupe will win or at least match it. I think that the 135 may be a more focused car but it would be great to see the two go head to head round your track. The 135 coupe certainly feels more focused that M135 Hatch which I think the 235 more closely resembles.

I would have preferred to see a C2S with a manual as the enthusiast car vs a C4S with PDK representing the state of the art, both with standard suspension so you can daily drive it.

Based on videos on the 991, I'd choose the C4S for sure. All weather capability, better steering feel, and feels like a RWD car in the dry. I see no reason to skimp out on the extra money for a C4S.

In these conditions, you, Richard, were sliding around more and more confidently, in the C4S. You were noticeably more confident in the C4S as compared to the C2S...

Would be good to see the Seat Leon Cupra 280 and the Volkswagen Golf R MK7 at head to head.

Maybe it's just an illusion of the camera, but just before the 3:00 mark, there is a ton of heat mirage coming out of the back of the C4S that shows up at multiple different angles. Didn't expect that.

What about compairing a NA Toyota Supra against a Toyota Gt-86, to see if Toyotas cars were better in the earlier days ?

The 4S is manual (although more involved and fun, quite a bit slower and therefore hard to compare), and doesn’t have the sport suspension. The additional drivetrain components necessary to implement all-wheel drive likely add hundreds of pounds as well. Although the cars have equal power output, actual power at the wheels is decreased in the 4S due to parasitic loss. *Parasitic loss occurs due to mechanical friction that happens in drivetrain components in the process of transferring power from the engine to the wheels. Transmissions, driveshafts, bearings, torque converters (if applicable), differentials etc. Extra rotating mass from the front drive components also result in lost power. Rough drivetrain loss estimates for a rear-wheel drive manual vehicle run in the 10% range. Traditional torque-converter automatic transmissions add ~5% more, as does all-wheel drive in comparison to front or rear only. In the case of this comparison, the all-wheel drive 4S is going to have a disadvantage in wheel horsepower due to higher drivetrain loss. The manual will not make up the difference because Porsche PDK transmissions (like the 2S has) aren’t the same as traditional autos; they operate internally similar to a manual, so there is little to no decrease in efficiency in comparison to a manual. Edit: They also tested in the wet! I get that the slippery conditions give back some of the advantage to the AWD 4S as far as lap times, what it really does is make it even harder for viewers to draw proper conclusions on these vehicle’s comparable performance.

P1 vs LaFerrari vs 918 of course! Just kidding ;-) But a 650S vs 458 Speciale battle might be doable - that would be REALLY nice indeed!

Very pleased the question of "which is the most fun" was asked, shame it wasn't answered

I would like to see how the new still compares to the evo. The evo was so ahead of its time

I would like to see a track comparison between the 991.2 manual GT3 and 911R. If it's difficult to find a 911R, the GT3 Touring would be cool too.

Wow that C2S is beautifully specced! Great video!

Awesome vid, Dickie. Not sure what's better - the plate on the C4S or the Sport Techno wheels haha

LaFerrari vs P1 vs 918 Spyder. Pleaseee car makers, let this happen!

Pagani Huayra vs Lambo Aventador... Now that's going to be some specticles....

Most of the twitchy reactions of the RWD Carrera come from the fact it has stiffer suspension on a greasy surface that needs a softer setup. This accentuates the reactions of the RWD that would already be more extreme in the wet. This needs a rematch in dry conditions and would be even better if both cars had the same options, like the suspension and the gearbox. Something tells me that in a faster circuit with high speed corners, with the same suspension, the RWD would be as fast as the 4WD even in the wet.

Great vid Dickie, love the way you can talk and drive at the same time! The track battles are a great idea, how about Exige S vs Cayman S?

Great comparison. I would love Ferrari 458 Speciale vs. MClaren 650s, but I know it might be too early to get the second.

Great vid as always. I think the comparison would have been more interesting though if they both had the same options. Like the same tires, transmission, suspension, and brake options. I don''t know if the result would have been any different though.

just like RS4 vs M3 in wet, before ignition you always know which one will win.

Good test. How do you think the Boxster would fare against its tin top sibling, the Cayman?

Porsche 991 911 Turbo S vs Ferrari 458 Italia, Please Evo

The 4S would be for me.

i woul love to see the difference with a 911 turbo s PDK vs 911 gt3 on track

Where is Tiff?

I just love that ducktail spoiler.

I would like to see 991 Turbo S vs 991 GT3 in the dry.

4S with manual is always going to be more fun and practical.

I like this comparision, HOWEVER it needs to be done were you can explore the differences of the 4wd and rwd as well as the different options. Do another one in the dry and lets see what happens yeah?!

Some thoughts: 458 Speciale vs. 991 gt3 Maserati Granturismo mc stradale vs. Jaguar XKrs Maserati Quattroporte gts vs. BMW M6 grancoupe or Audi S8

For future battle, I am curious to see the new GTI with and without the Performance Pack?

WANNA SEE THE GT3 VS Jaguar XKR-S GT!

458 Speciale vs 650S vs GT3 or their big brothers (the hybrids). No doubt those would be the best comparisons of the year

For racing, all wheel drive will always be better than rear wheel drive. The price you have to pay for all the benefits, mostly getting out of a turn much faster, is the additional weight that you have to carry. But as we see here, and we can see in several other racing competitions with quattro, all-wheel drive is superior. For going fast in a straigt line or long distance driving, 2 wheel drive proofs to be more efficient.

Very cool... Do you think the C4S would still be faster in the dry? Also, which is more fun? Have a car with similar spec to the C2S arriving next week! (Sport suspension, PDCC and power pack)

Would like to see the most awaited 458 speciale vs 911 gt3.. Evo plzz line it up!

918 vs p1 would be the ultimate track battle

Good video although my favorite is the one with the Toyota GT 86 and the Ford Fiesta ST. I want to see a track battle between the Fiesta ST versus the Peugeot 208 GTI, two great little rockets with a reasonable price tag.

It's like you were reading my mind, thanks.

Seemed like he even drove the C4S harder and the weather took factor too.. Too bad it wasn't a better comparison

Nice one , but now I have to see it in the dry , Ty .

458 vs 911 turbo S

Great video! The 4S bares no resemblance to a 2008 WRX I used to own, driving my wrx was easy mode.

Drifting iš awesome, I miss that with my front wheel drive

I'd like to see the track battle between Porsche C2 and C7 Corvette Stingray Z51.

How about this for a battle: Panamera Turbo, BMW M6 Gran Coupe, Audi RS7, Benz CLS 63

How about 458 Speciale vs 650S? Or Huracan vs Gallardo? Or GT86/BRZ vs Alfa 4C?

Great driving! Great video! Cheers from USA

Nice video, Thank you. Track battle: how about 2 F10 M5s. One with the competition package and one without. Thank you.

Wow finally ...long overdue btw!

I'm amazed how surprising it was to see a reviewer actually change gear. I'd have the 4S if it was my only car and the 2S if I could afford a few cars in my garage. As for a track battle.. well 918 vs P1 vs Lalalalaferrari obviously. In your own time...

Not shaved, wearing a teenager's hoodie..... Is Dickie OK?

Need to see both in pdk and dry weather please 🙏🏻

You should do that c4s vs a gt3 since they are so similarly priced. In wet conditions the outcome could be very interesting

Examples of battles: Exige S vs 4C vs C2 vs Cayman GTS, GLA 45 AMG vs Macan S, GT3 vs Turbo (no S), 650S vs 458 Speciale, Zonda R vs Huayra, , and maybe F12 vs BAC Mono....but I think everybody dream is LaFerrari vs P1

More Fast and Furious, drifting-on-a-track comparisons? Sigh.

nice vid Dickie, as always. love your work mate. I will be interested to see this again in the dry though. and also - which was more involving and fun?

GT3 vs. SLS Black!

that 2s.... that bumper is just smashing ;D

I would like to see GT3 against the Turbo. Too many Porsche's you say? No way!

Lets have a track battle between family estate racers - Audi S4 and Legacy Twin Turbo.

Perhaps M5 vs E63S? That should be fun and sideeeeways everywhere.

I think the 458 speciale vs 650s might be one of the most desired ones

Nice to see two 991's that haven't been optioned to gangster spec and garish black alloys.