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Porsche 911 2 vs 4 RWD vs AWD differences C2S vs C4S 

Nick Murray
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C2S vs C4S or C2 vs C4 is the question. I take a look at the many small differences between the rear drive '2' models and the all wheel drive '4' models.
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@swessels
@swessels 7 лет назад
The Carrera 4 I previously owned had an amazing feeling while you were into a turn and stepped into the throttle. You could actually feel the front wheels bear down and pull you through the turn. Loved the way that car pulled onto highway ramps.
@OlaJustin
@OlaJustin 7 лет назад
I did not know that the 4s had a wider body. You learn something everyday, except when you dont.
@kabob21
@kabob21 7 лет назад
That's because it's not much wider than the C2 body with the 997 and 991 models. On the 996, the 4S was significantly wider and looked much nicer than the C2 of that generation.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
Some days two things!
@OlaJustin
@OlaJustin 7 лет назад
And thanks to you I can now fake being a Porsche guy in casual coffee break conversations. =)
@lucasvonheiz1310
@lucasvonheiz1310 7 лет назад
+Bowshould, so the GTS is still in the mid body category isn't it?
@LanceFarquhar
@LanceFarquhar 7 лет назад
GTS is wide body
@venom5809
@venom5809 7 лет назад
Honestly the widebody is worth the money, it looks a lot better. Still it would be great if you could completely disengage AWD and make it RWD when you wanted, surprised Porsche didn't make that a $10,000 option knowing them.
@Steel86Curtain
@Steel86Curtain 7 лет назад
venom5809 The GTS is RWD with 4S widebody.
@venom5809
@venom5809 7 лет назад
+Steel86Curtain, which is still not AWD which you would want if you lived in an area with winter weather and you drove your 911 in those conditions like Nick does, hence why I said it would be great if you could disengage it when you didn't need it.
@mmmakeee
@mmmakeee 7 лет назад
But with that feature, you'd always have the extra weight with you. Also, the weight distribution would be different which could affect the "911 experience".
@Dethred1
@Dethred1 7 лет назад
Try driving both, the 4S doesn't take away any fun, and only when I'm basically in "shit my pants I'm going to crash" mode does the AWD pull me out of it. Maybe I'm getting old like Nick, but I think it's ok for it to save me from a crash while allowing me to at least attempt the crash. ;-)
@nd318865
@nd318865 7 лет назад
Might be able to find and pull a fuse somewhere under the frunck?
@andyrichardson6188
@andyrichardson6188 6 лет назад
Nice comparison. 95% of the discussion I see on Porsche 2ws vs. awd centers on weather. Unless you're buying a Porsche specifically to drive in snowy conditions climbing hills, weather matters very little. Awd vs. 2wd is a different driving experience. I think you described it very well: 2wd gives you a loose back end when you want it. Awd will pull you around corners and is generally "safer" in that it's much harder to do something stupid with the back end. Of course, some of us like to do stupid (aka fun) stuff with our cars. I have a preference for awd because I like the confidence it brings. For me at higher speed awd just corners better. You could argue that it's a skill issue on my part. There's a reason the 911 turbos are awd.
@m24hel74
@m24hel74 7 лет назад
I think I rather wait for a fwd cvt 911.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
Best comment
@GrantLF223
@GrantLF223 7 лет назад
I know this is a joke, but it still hurts...
@geethsan1567
@geethsan1567 7 лет назад
If that happens(which will not obv), that'll be like an April Fools joke come true.
@m24hel74
@m24hel74 7 лет назад
Sang Eeth remember that 15 years ago an automatic transmission had no place in supercars, today is the other way around, so when it comes to Cars nothing surprises me anymore, and yes CVT transmissions are the worst kind of transmissions.
@juanvelez5699
@juanvelez5699 7 лет назад
you forgot a naturally aspirated diesel engine!
@christopherwhitehead8946
@christopherwhitehead8946 7 лет назад
I love my "garish" wide light-bar! I've got a 2004 C4S. It's very nice , thank you Nick.
@Sandouras
@Sandouras 7 лет назад
I'd buy the C4S just for that red line connecting the rear lights. That makes the car so much more beautiful!
@MyMostBeautifuCinema
@MyMostBeautifuCinema 4 года назад
Porsche seems to have realized that fact as well, a la 992 ;)
@bobgees793
@bobgees793 4 года назад
That’s exactly what swung it for me. I ended up with a 2019 C4 GTS.
@paulandrebeccak5680
@paulandrebeccak5680 7 лет назад
There's only one solution, Nick: Have both! In all seriousness, really neat to hear about the little differences and your wheels are amazing!
@thedayidrive3422
@thedayidrive3422 7 лет назад
Always interesting to have a look at your videos...Content, form ... enjoying to watch and well provided with details....Thank you for your nice job you do on youtube on these subjects...!!
@kushileggo6623
@kushileggo6623 7 лет назад
Nice to see such an honest summation. Most people couldn't help but make out what they were currently driving is the best. Bravo !!. Oh & both cars, gorgeous
@ejsgarage
@ejsgarage 6 лет назад
I think I will buy the AWD since it has been snowing a lot here. Thank you for the video Nick.
@drivebmc4508
@drivebmc4508 7 лет назад
Did not realize there were so many differences between the 4 and 4S. Super informative video! Great job!
@ebdbdave
@ebdbdave 5 лет назад
Thank you so much! I had the same concerns, and you have decided me!
@camelramel7035
@camelramel7035 7 лет назад
Another great video Nick. Especially since I have been debating between 2 and 4 S models.
@patriot8087
@patriot8087 4 года назад
Great review. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for sharing your what seems to me as a honest un-bias review. Great information to be able to make an informative purchase.Thank you!
@jamessuttie1261
@jamessuttie1261 6 лет назад
Really good video. Conclusions based on solid personal experience. Thanks.
@josephberkeley
@josephberkeley 7 лет назад
Great video, Nick. Thanks for sharing.
@alberthodge631
@alberthodge631 5 лет назад
I love your videos, and I do appreciate the work that goes into them.....thank you very much.
@arturoprestamo1514
@arturoprestamo1514 6 лет назад
Great review, Ill go with the 2WD, many thanks for this excellent analysis.
@woodypwx
@woodypwx 7 лет назад
991.1 50th Anniversary was a C2S with wide body. The ideal car for me.
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 5 лет назад
Are the turbo models even wider. 8 miss the old fat ass design. Is there no way to get it? I want a 997 but I can’t afford a turbo and none of them have that big butt
@KA3AXCTAH2030
@KA3AXCTAH2030 3 года назад
50AE is awesome but the premium for it is a bit over the top
@garykiesel2583
@garykiesel2583 Год назад
Same! That’s my favorite one
@konkombotis5549
@konkombotis5549 7 лет назад
Despite the weather conditions where one lives, it's really a personal choice taking into account launch control chrono, stop/start accelerating at the lights, going in/out of corners & taking the car out onto a race track. All faster & much fun.
@steffydog
@steffydog 7 лет назад
Quality video as always Nick, thanks
@marcusoutdoors4999
@marcusoutdoors4999 11 месяцев назад
Really enjoying your reviews, also extremely handy as I’m on the hunt for a 991
@IrishManJT
@IrishManJT 7 лет назад
I drove the 991.1 C4S @ the Porsche Experience Centre Silverstone UK three years ago and was just blown away with it. What an amazing car!
@douglasgooden166
@douglasgooden166 5 лет назад
NIKI ROSBERG PORSHE EXPERIENCE AT SILVERSTONE
@winstonmiller8150
@winstonmiller8150 7 лет назад
Great comparison!! Good information on the two models.
@kevincheng8731
@kevincheng8731 7 лет назад
I really enjoy this video, i sent this video link to my friend as he's deciding which model he wants to buy. Very helpful information
@psoon04286
@psoon04286 7 лет назад
Entertaining as usual. Love your videos
@ax1039
@ax1039 7 лет назад
I definitely can notice the difference in the wider body on the 4 and 4S. I believe it adds an extra level of nice aesthetics to the looks. If you also have the power package, which lowers the body, it enhances the sporty look.
@anthonylessthanzero1498
@anthonylessthanzero1498 7 лет назад
I concur! I live in Southern California so 4 wheel drive wasn't as important to me. If I lived in state like yours and use it as a daily driver. Then I would definitely get a four wheel. Thank you for your video!
@Number27
@Number27 7 лет назад
Great Video Nick.. am about to do something similar video with the 964. I have a modified C4 which is going to be compared to a standard RS and a Modified C2.. the old C4 system was quite crappy though so am expecting the difference to the modern 991 series cars to be more apparent handling wise.
@kevinstgeorge9154
@kevinstgeorge9154 5 лет назад
I love your reviews! I also love the views of my hometown of Fairfield, Ct too! Thanks for always doing a great job with your Porsche reviews! :-)
@bbrrwwnn
@bbrrwwnn 6 лет назад
I have a 2013 991 C4S. It was the wider body and the light bar that put it over the top for me, lookswise. I’d also add that here in Connecticut the 4WD with the stock tires is not very good in the snow. However, with OZ 19” wheels and slightly more narrow snow tires the car is an absolute blast in the white stuff!
@yogiballa
@yogiballa 10 месяцев назад
You’re driving on the street I used to live on! Right down the road from greenfield hill Mercado Fairfield ct, beautiful neighborhood and beautiful car! Thank you for the review!
@jlo6388
@jlo6388 7 лет назад
Great vid, Nick.
@vhol93
@vhol93 7 лет назад
Love your videos!!! Congrats man
@simonhurlimann908
@simonhurlimann908 6 лет назад
Great Video and it proofs what i thought. Happy to have a RWD (Cayman)
@Only-one-life-68
@Only-one-life-68 7 лет назад
I'm from the 🇬🇧 and a great fan of yours Nick. I'd like also to thank Brian your friend for him allowing you to produce these great vids. Ps I'm collecting my very first Porsche next Friday 28th Manual 911.2 Carrera 😜
@psubhane1
@psubhane1 5 лет назад
More than having fun the other advantage of having a two wheel drive system is its greater fuel economy , as you said the 4WD system delivers more torque to the front if it were to sense the rear is sliding outwards bringing down the efficiency to deliver this additional power. But nonetheless it all comes down to the conditions and each one has its own plus points.
@dredgeboater
@dredgeboater 7 лет назад
Excellent analysis, thanks
@franciscoerazo1997
@franciscoerazo1997 7 лет назад
Great video man! 👍
@johnomahoney7755
@johnomahoney7755 7 лет назад
Good to know! Thanks
@foesfly3047
@foesfly3047 5 лет назад
Thanks for sharing your practical insight. This will help me in the search for my next 997.2. And the sarcastic gorilla is fun as always: )
@bicyclist2
@bicyclist2 7 лет назад
The Carrera 4S is the best all round 911. Its supposed to be just like a 911 turbo, but without the turbo. I'm So glad to see you have the proper manual trans. Thanks.
@danielallocca7770
@danielallocca7770 7 лет назад
AWD wide body looks much better. Never noticed/knew that. Thanks for the informative video....
@JedWunderli
@JedWunderli 7 лет назад
Living in Salt Lake, I'll definitely be getting the C4S when I get mine in a few years. I love the wide body; it looks sportier / racier. I love my Audi A6 and the traction I get with the AWD system so I'm pretty sure I'll love the 991.2 C4S and it's AWD system as well. I'll go with the PDK, though.
@usccharles
@usccharles 7 лет назад
Thanks again for the great info videos Nick. Always appreciated! Any friends around with a GTS? Would love to see a comparison with your 4S.
@acchaladka
@acchaladka 7 лет назад
Bless you for including the metric measurement in this video.
@danrook5757
@danrook5757 2 года назад
Living in Canada I don’t understand imperial, what’s a quart
@acchaladka
@acchaladka 2 года назад
@@danrook5757 I believe it’s when Homer Simpson squeezes Maggie into the reactor at work and she comes out miniaturiz....no wait. That’s a quark. No bloody idea, and salutations de Montréal, mon compatriot.
@sevesellors2831
@sevesellors2831 2 года назад
Great review very informative, thank you!
@macandsomethings4351
@macandsomethings4351 7 лет назад
I had no idea there were so many aesthetic differences. Very informative, and personally, I support the 4s. I have ultimately found that one can get out of a corner a quantifiably faster with AWD on a tight and technical course in the dry, and the advantages seem exponential in wet and cold climates due to the traction advantage when introducing some over-steer. I'm also not sure I've met a car that wouldn't go sideways, but I understand that's a lot of car ($) to throw around, and frankly, its just nice to look at; Very nice to look at; Very, very nice to look at. Thanks for the video, Nick!
@alouw6054
@alouw6054 7 лет назад
An option to disable AWD would be wonderful and, as the torque split rear to front is already electronically controlled, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement. Of course, there are other factors that prevent it.
@moneyparhar
@moneyparhar 7 лет назад
I don't watch this video to know what's all wheel drive or rear wheel drive I watch it bcz of two Porsche's and ur videos always good and some time funny keep up the good work
@vstm3950
@vstm3950 2 года назад
great advice, video exactly i was looking for, thank you sir
@miketurin5233
@miketurin5233 3 года назад
Great video. Well explained! Thank you.
@patrickr8890
@patrickr8890 7 лет назад
Hey Nick, thanks for such a great video. Awesome! You forgot to mention one more difference, and that is your car has four exhaust pipes while the other has only two. I agree that rear wheel drive is so much more fun in dry weather, I know, because I notice more hair on my chest after driving my CLS63 AMG. LOL!!!
@albertlee9238
@albertlee9238 Год назад
Clear comparison, thanks !
@felipejustin
@felipejustin 7 лет назад
I love that light bar
@alvilla701
@alvilla701 7 лет назад
thank you, I'm selling my Geo Metro and getting both, the C4S and the C2S
@progressivelibertarianview8832
@progressivelibertarianview8832 3 года назад
With the remaining balance you can also add 1 Bugatti to the cart!
@douglasvouchell3565
@douglasvouchell3565 2 года назад
You all know that the 2S and the 4S are both amazing machines. I personally have my 2022 Carrera 2 S on its way. Delivery is April 15, 2022. Can't wait.
@michaelweigel2466
@michaelweigel2466 7 лет назад
I propose a test under snowy conditions with the 911 AWD vs 911 RWD with the same snow tires ;) Standard 911s are no bad winter cars concerning the high weight in the back. You know it :) When you curve a bit too hard the RWD will reach the traction limits earlier but on a straight hill road the differences are quite small.
@JoeJasril
@JoeJasril 2 года назад
Learnt a lot from this video.... thank you !
@robmac3287
@robmac3287 6 лет назад
Good vlog, thank you.
@LucasPlane
@LucasPlane 7 лет назад
Nice video!! More one thumb up for you!
@Poorschedriver
@Poorschedriver 7 лет назад
Nick you must be a braver man than I trying to step the rear out with all those stone walls around. Unless of course the clear bra prevents against stone wall impacts.
@Marv1385
@Marv1385 7 лет назад
Hey Nick, great video! Will there be a detailed vid about C2 and your C4S engine and performance difference? Also a few words with and without Sport Chrono and manual transmission. Would be great. Take care!
@chuckystang
@chuckystang 7 лет назад
Great video. I just wish Porsche would make the 911 smaller like the older ones, particularly the head lamps.
@xavierbekaert9397
@xavierbekaert9397 7 лет назад
Nick, you make it sound like the AWD is 100% safe (and boring) - whereas on slippery roads (even just rain) it can at times be pretty challenging to keep the car straight (even without driving like a complete fool). Especially because of the very wide tyres.
@Mrm842
@Mrm842 7 лет назад
kiwis for life
@ggarrison1087
@ggarrison1087 7 лет назад
All i know is your concave wheels > those flat spokes on the C2.
@tedc8336
@tedc8336 7 лет назад
Really like your vlogs and videos for porsche. Is there any change you can fit your road bike into a 911? What about a 28" baggage?
@danielisfr3sh
@danielisfr3sh 7 лет назад
Excuse my language but this video was so fucking informational and I thank you for that Nick! Great video dude
@JPandCompany
@JPandCompany 7 лет назад
Nice comparison! The wide body really makes a big difference with the two cars together (to my eyes). Yours also appears to be a little bit lower as well.
@user-hg7yi1xq8o
@user-hg7yi1xq8o 7 лет назад
Hi Nick, Thank you for those great videos. If you disengage the traction control, what would be the outcome/comparison for both the C2 and the C4?
@albrightonrealestate
@albrightonrealestate 7 лет назад
Nick Murray, you need to a video comparing the sound in Sport Mode & Sport Plus Mode. The exhaust and intake noise from the interior... :)
@DanRibar
@DanRibar 6 лет назад
My little Audi TT will never let me get out of control in the Florida flash floods.... I agree with all of your thoughts.
@danrook5757
@danrook5757 2 года назад
My Audi A5 is all wheel drive, love drifting with it in the snow, can’t wait for the first snow day. Hello from Canada toronto
@owerr66
@owerr66 7 лет назад
i know you reviewed the previous gen cayman/boxsters, but would love to see you do the new 718s!
@theresonly1truth138
@theresonly1truth138 7 лет назад
nice vid mate, plz thank Brian on our behalf for submitting his car.
@tommytexter4054
@tommytexter4054 7 лет назад
so true. Except for the new e63s 4matic+ allows 100 percent power to rear in drift mode..
@An.Individual
@An.Individual 7 лет назад
Nice video, I often ponder the relative merits of 2wd and 4wd. Chuck another shrimp on the barbie Bruce.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
Two shrimp going on for you my friend
@TommyLGarage
@TommyLGarage 7 лет назад
Nicky. Will you ever take this thing to a track? That would be a great video. PCA has great events at NJMP for example.
@ItisBean
@ItisBean 7 лет назад
The side skirts, rear wiper and the light bar really make your car looks better.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
Words to live by
@thefridgeman
@thefridgeman 7 лет назад
3:04 The larger gas tank is due to the extra 4cm space robbed from the trunk by the front drive. On top of it the tank can be made larger The larger rear body of the "4" is also less aero at high speeds, thus the lower max velocity. The sills on the "4" minimize the disturbance in the air flow caused by the wider rear body. I guess it better channels the side flow and stops it from getting under the car at the rear (in front of the rear wheels) and generate high speed lift at the back axle.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
Great info. Thanks
@thefridgeman
@thefridgeman 7 лет назад
It was the reason why the RUF CTR was using the "narrow" body of the Carrera 3.2 and not the 930 wide turbo body.
@lucianomicale1099
@lucianomicale1099 6 лет назад
hi nick, i was worried when i choose my new porsche (i had one of the first models cayman s), i choose the 991.2 gts. I was worried because i like track days (i live in italy and go around monza, imola, vallelunga and mugello) and thought about something happening on old awd 911: the understeer in the exit phase of the turn. I said maybe new models don't have that problem any more...But i have chosen the nornal 911 gts...with the extra money spared i put the rear axle steering and pdk...i was worried about losing that beautiful oversteer in the turn. I'm happy to know by an awd owner the pro and cons, i think i did the best chose for me(not so much rain and snow around where i live). thk you so much for your informative videos
@volcom52002
@volcom52002 7 лет назад
I love these little insightful videos that only porsche owners would know. Thanks for sharing and letting us live our Porsche dreams thru you! Ps how long do u plan to keep the Porsche until you upgrade and any thoughts on what you'd upgrade to?
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
I hope to keep it 3-4 years and upgrade to the new model 992 but likely the same configuration.
@matthiasl1480
@matthiasl1480 7 лет назад
Gorilla cut this video? Love your humour! And your detailed opinion most Porsche salesmen even dont think about.
@watch_MrG
@watch_MrG 7 лет назад
Hi Nick, Nice video. Just the price you show for C4S is $112,00.
@QuintonTV
@QuintonTV 7 лет назад
Greetings. What suction mount did you use for your DSLR? I noticed it only has single suction but doesn't shake at all.
@henkoc86
@henkoc86 7 лет назад
Is it a way to deactivate the 4 wheel drive on the front and just have the rear wheel drive by choice? The wider hips is really nice to have!
@HeidiandFranny
@HeidiandFranny 7 лет назад
Lol. I see Franny asked the same question I would have, because we take off the traction control if we want to with our Turbo. What can I say Nick. You need a lift and both cars! Heidi
@AW-xv7dq
@AW-xv7dq 4 года назад
Aside from the snow... If you live in Seattle or Vancouver? RAIN! But 4 wheel drifts in the rain and snow especially with around 300hp? That would be a blast.
@joelefraimsson3939
@joelefraimsson3939 7 лет назад
The quad exhausts look so much better in my opinion. How much more are they?
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
The quad exhaust is the free option, the twin exhaust known as the Porsche Sport Exhaust is $3,000
@kylecronin3212
@kylecronin3212 7 лет назад
Quad exhaust is standard on the "S" models, and is $950 extra for the non-"S" models
@paweloneill5888
@paweloneill5888 7 лет назад
Joel Efraimsson they are the cheap option dumbo
@dulobg3774
@dulobg3774 Год назад
Hi very informative video again! What will be your possible build for 2024 911S?
@ericp9058
@ericp9058 7 лет назад
Hey nick, will you make a viedeo comparing the sport exhaust sound vs normal exhaust?
@1seipai
@1seipai 7 лет назад
Informative video. Did you drive the C2? I had a 997 C2S. I was loaned a 997 C2 while the 2S was having some work done on it. I felt that the smaller engine was more free revving and enjoyable.
@Alex-uo9dq
@Alex-uo9dq 7 лет назад
would be interesting to see a roll on race between the two. And also discuss engine differences between the S and non S version. Cheers :)
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 7 лет назад
Those video are coming.
@rmp5s
@rmp5s 7 лет назад
Hey Nick, I was wondering: what DSLR mount are you using? The suction cup mount I have is SO SHAKY that my videos from the car are COMPLETELY unwatchable! I use an a6300, so not a terribly heavy camera, and I tighten everything on the mount as HARD as I can...it's still just AWFUL!! I definitely want to try something else...what mount do you use?!
@kfacpa
@kfacpa 7 лет назад
We've had horrendous rains this year in the Bay Area and I can't tell you how many times my 911 rear-end has slipped out from under me... specially since I wasn't really pushing it... I wish I had the 4S... Considering how many times I''ll push it on purpose to jut regular driving... really wish I had the 4S...
@danielreed5604
@danielreed5604 7 лет назад
Hello Nick, Do you happen to know the max g-force difference between RWD and AWD 911s for your model year?
@peterbennpan7288
@peterbennpan7288 7 лет назад
It would be good if your porsche had a drift mode function like the focus rs and some of the mercedes amgs then you could have fun in the summer and snow 😎
@nyhctrip
@nyhctrip 7 лет назад
Hello Nick. Would be nice if you can make a video comparison in the future between your 911 carrera 4s and a 911 carrera....of course if you have the chance. I just sold my M4 cabrio recently and got the new 911 carrera 991.2 with sport chrono. I am curios if there is big difference between the S version and the normal carrera.
@lamaraugusthy4105
@lamaraugusthy4105 7 лет назад
Please drive Matt's GT3. That would be a great comparison!
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