@@sukhdevr3489 Don't know why, but now they do in case of 992, this is also the case regarding Macan S/GTS, they are also doing the same with 0-60 times but for much longer.
I think it looks better than every 911 that came afterwards. The best thing the new ones have going is the 80s styled break light, the front is bland as f.
The 996 turbo never had the fried egg headlights neither did the 996.2, it was 996.1 (non-turbo trims) that had the shape and the amber indicators gave it a fried egg look.
Thank you. They always get it wrong, and the reason people criticised the Mk1 996 3.4 is because the cheaper Boxter had the same headlights, but the Boxter never had those headlights.
I just finished a comparison between a 2003 996 turbo X-50 and a 2020 992 turbo S. Both cars belong to my boss and he had me drive the one car 300 miles to his vacation home where I parked it and drove the other one 300 miles back. I love the 996 because I had one and I’ve been caring for this one for 14 years. It’s smaller, more nimble and engaging to drive as a 6 speed manual. However, the 992 turbo S is an amazing machine. So fast! So refined! The perfect GT car! Just two pedals. Go and stop! The engine transmission combo work in concert that’s remarkable in that one can comfortably cruise at 100 mph and punch it for immediate acceleration! The car is so planted and delivers a heightened sense control with all the technology that makes it so. If I could pick only one, the 996 most definitely!
I guess you missed the part where Jason is driving the 2002 Turbo vs the 2022 base Carrera ("base" means the cheapest and least powerful), If he had compared the 2002 most powerful (996 Turbo) versus 2022 most powerful (992 Turbo S), you would not have written this comment.
@@sidesauce but there is MUCH more performance improvement potential with the 996TT vs 992. The 996TT Mezger engine hp can easily be doubled and remain reliable... the 992 engine cannot. The performance bang for the buck is with the 996TT... a stock car with $20K of mods becomes monsterously fast.
Should have got the manuel 992 to make it a bit more comparable and fair. The PDK box makes the new ones rapid. The 0-60 on the stock carrera is actually more like 3.8 seconds with the pdk not 4.4 as stated here. Significantly faster than they let on. Its probably got more power than they are letting on too! Im sure people have dyno'd these things to confirm that and all.
Wow! I wasn’t expecting that. 60kg less, but with all the extra safety, emissions, and electronics required 2 decades later, is astonishing in itself. But for a 2WD to beat a 4WD, by that margin, and the power difference….What was most astonishing of all, was seeing Jason Plato looking a lot like Harry Enfield’s ONLY ME man 😂
Actually most of the metzger motor WAS carried over. The block still has 993 part numbers. Unlike the regular 911 water cooled motors. It was basically the air cooled motor with water jacketed heads. Much better motor than the regular 996 911. So did the GT cars. I had a 996 GT3. There were 993 part numbers (air cooled) still on the motor. That’s why the 996s weren’t total flops because the turbo and gt cars had excellent engines
That's news to me. I always thought that the M96/72 'Mezger' engines were derived from the fully-water-cooled 962 and GT1 race cars. They did have an engine with water cooled heads and air-cooled block - in the 935/78. I had a 996 X50 Turbo. 450hp, very capable car.
More context on how cars have evolved in 20 years - Steve Sutcliffe put an i30n and i20n around the same circuit: 47.1 for the i30n, 47.3 for the i20n. I absolutely adored the turbo back in the day (would still happily have one) but that's some serious progress. Cheers to the engineers everywhere!
You can't get the 992 Carrera with a stick (only the Carrera T or Carrera S, if we are talking about a fairly base model). You can be lucky that it's not a 996 turbo with Tiptronic. The PDK is great, but the manual versions aren't bad either.
Very interesting video. I love all the 911 versions. But I have a 2021 carerra specced similar to the car in the video, just added sport Chrono and the S sized wheels. It is truly wonderful. Very balanced package. All I could ever want for the road. Love it to bits.
So many things are wrong on that video when you want to compare time for time... BUT, what I see is how incredible a 20 years 9ld car hold on compared to a 2022 911... Beautiful !
Ya. I am not seeing 3 full seconds in such a small lap. Nordschleife Times are more like 10-15 seconds difference but that is a 7 1/2 to 8 min track. Extrapolate that the way you want, but no where near this difference (and this is comparing old tire tech on the 996 vs new on the 992 which would dramatically narrow that difference). I’m not even a huge 996 fan, but this info is a little odd
Tell me about it. I owned a 996 Turbo with the X 51 package, 996 GT2, 996 GT3, 997 GT3RS, and a Carrera GT. Bought very one of them new. If I still had them I would be (on paper) much richer than I am today.
3 seconds on a track that short is huge. I’m not seeing that kind of delta between these variants. It does appear that the 992 is PDK. Perhaps the 996 has 20 year old tires? Let’s compare manuals AND run same exact specific tire set up. The 992 is probably still quicker, but not by that massive amount.
Excellent. I’ve a 996 Turbo pushed to 500 bhp. Mind you, I can’t afford a 992. For £90k you can get a 991 Turbo which would be my choice at that price. My 996 cost £110k new. It’s cost me about £38k all in over three years.
That 996 being a nearly 20 years old, must have lost a lot of horsepower, 996 with some light tuning vs actual 992 may be a much more interesting fight.
996 Turbo S with good tires. Then we would see. Ceramic brakes and 50hp more. Also a 2 min cobb tune for over 500hp. Well then, newer 911 toast for sure
@@MilesHardy My same thought - without knowing what tires the Turbo was wearing it is impossible to assess the lap times.. Modern tires vs whatever the 996 Turbo was wearing could make a huge difference.
I wonder what tires the Turbo had on it, that's one thing. Secondly, the driving feel in a 996 it's way better and more analog then any 992, OK, maybe a GT3 will be better. For me after 10+ years of owning a 996 Turbo there is no contest. Did I mentioned what crazy power levels can you get with a simple flash from the most iconic/ race winning-est engine in the world? (Yeah, that would be the Mezger, do the math).
Should we even mention the S word? Steering? The new electric steering is garbage. And when the 996 turbo is selling for $200,000 on the used market 10 years from now, the new one with the phony simulated steering and slush box will be handily depreciating.
@@Bmwguy2011 $200,000? Where? A good 996 Turbo does about 1/4 of that a great one about half. I love the 996TT (I had one, but your prices are a bit off)
What really surprises me is the lap time of the 996. The 996 owners club had a track day at Llandow a few years ago and Gemma did a 49 second lap in a C4 tip convertible. Really surprised to see that a professional driver can only nock less than 2 seconds off that’s driving a turbo.
@@onehorsepower it was wet the day we were there as well. It’s wales what do you expect? Skip to 3 minutes in you will see what I mean. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tbJvVNRgbTY.html this is from when we were all out early in the day learning the track the fast laps where when there weren’t loads of cars out at once
@@technom3598 I agree 2 seconds is a bug gap on a small track but Jason Plato is a professional racing driver and you would expect a professional racing driver who has won the British touring car championship more than once to be much faster than a project manager from Plymouth if they were driving the same car but add in that he has a turbo with over 100bhp more plus better brakes suspension and being a coupe not a convertible so should handle better you would have thought there would be a much bigger gap.
Excited to see this! I had a fabulous time on the day (thanks for the invite) and to see what Jason made of HPC Classics stock 996 Turbo. (Which is avaible to purchase now on our website!) :)
@@MilesHardy I never realised there was an aero option for the 996 turbo, what option code was that? I believe a lot have since been converted to fixed rear spoilers as a cheaper option than fixing broken hydraulic rams on the std spoiler.
Love the look of the 996 turbo but the GR Yaris did a 47.15 (in the shootout video v the evo). Amazing that a £30k hot hatch can beat a supercar from 20 years ago!
To not even reference tyres is pretty rookie guys.... 20 years tyre development will be at least half that lap time, and thats assuming the 996 is on rubber of a similar age to the 991 (almost definitely the 996's tyres will be several years old).
Jason unsurprisingly knows what he's talking about. As unloved as the 996 is by so-called Porschephiles, the driving dynamics and especially the steering are brilliant. Those Porschephiles who only care about resale value don't know anything about actual driving.
My 2003 996 Turbo with the factory X50 power kit option (with the factory K24 turbos) is lightly modified. It is at the 600 HP point, a far cry from the 420 HP produced from the smaller K16 turbos. It likely would blow away the 2022 Carrera, at least on the straightaways.
I can guarantee that after five minutes in the 996 Turbo on their favorite road they will never worry about the headlights. Rock solid cars. Faster than most peoples brains. And they can let go in the wet despite all the onboard wizardry.
20yr old tyres in the UK, with our heat cycles? They would be perished and delaminated. They must have recent rubber on that 996 just for safety's sake?
Hardly a surprising result. The base PDK car driven would gain half a car length for each gearchange in comparison to the 20yr old manual. The interesting question is:- On the short circuit driven, how many gearchanges did the 992 base PDK make? Multiply that number by 2M and was that the distance the PDK finished ahead of the manual 996 Turbo? A very poor "review" by 5th Gear who do know better.
Great little video from Fifth Gear! I have to admit that the 996 has aged well and has grown into its looks, as for the 992…..maybe we will be saying the same thing in 20 years time? Looks wise, the rear end is voluptuous, sadly, in a Kardashian kind of way; they’ve both overdone it a little! Also, the silhouette of the 992 has gone a little too much Cayman for my liking!
Too factors into the equation: track, rubber, asphalt conditions, transmission and so on. You simply go for the 996 turbo because it has loads more character … and steering feel. My 2 cents 🙏
No mention of the Le Mans winning Mezger motor in the 996 Turbo? One of the greatest engines of all time. Also, no mention of the fact that that 996 Turbo is effectively 2/3rds of a 959, except in a better looking body shell, that is much stiffer than the ancient and ugly 959. Also, no mention of how mind-bogglingly stupid it is to have round headlights with 4 rectangular LEDs in them! Why?
The most important stat is the price for each adjusted for inflation for each car...prices have inflated to a point of diminishing returns. I think older cars are better bang for the buck.
Fun video. There should be a progression in 20 years, but the 996 Turbo holds up very well. The PDK shifts in less than 0.1 seconds. The manual is about 0.3 seconds per shift for a very good driver. How many shifts per lap? Comparing a 2022 manual would be better. A 2022 is 125kg heavier with AWD. No mention of tire type, size or age on either car. HP to weight is similar. Torque to weight is much better in the 996 Turbo. Headlights : Nobody complained about the remarkably similar headlights on the Porsche GT1 that won Le Mans before the 996 came out. The big 996 headlight complaint was they looked the same on the entry level Boxster. People wanted their double priced car to be easily distinguished.
I have almost this exact 996 and my main gripe is the cramped footwell for people with size 11 or larger feet. Not much space to rest your left foot when off the clutch and right foot feels cramped on the throttle. I love just about everything else though. The boost is addictive.
The old vs new concept is great and the point taken. New IS better than old but we knew that right? That said, the transmission and tires may have played a large roll in this as the 996 has a HP advantage is is AWD. It should have done better.
3:06 Incorrect again. The vast majority of the Turbo engine is carried over from the aircooled generation, obviously with the addition of water cooled heads.
I own a 2014 991.1 C4S optioned out with Sports Chrono, PASM, Sport Exhaust, PDLS+, Sport Design Package, etc. While I can appreciate the sounds of the turbo motors, I absolutely adore the symphony of non-artificial sounds emanating from my naturally aspirated 3.8, the last NA model series short of the GT track weapons. I love my car!
Throw a tune on that 996 (which in my opinion every single one needs) I think they might be crossing the line same time. I have a 2002 996 turbo tune and catless exhaust. I was pulling away from a 992 carrera on roll race.
Same here, even when I was untuned with just a catless exhaust I walked one down like it was standing still. With the tune done, it is a nightmare for all who don't know what it is capable of doing.
