Porsche Cayman GTS 4.0 or M2 Comp? | Full Review | 4K 

Good point, I've a 987 Boxster and those characteristics describe it perfectly

Me too 😬

@@JoeAchilles1 whos your local dealership? ill spam them😂

Me too. It feels really different.

They actually have now.

Stunning aren't they mate, thanks for watching as always 🙏

Where in CO? Definitely a drivers’ paradise out here.

Buying a cayman GTS instead of the GT4 or buying an M2 comp?

@@gurujojo8992 Sorry, you comment is totally clueless.

@@jdm6364 Joe reviewed a GT4 in a previous video...it was a follow up comment..

Haha awesome to hear, what a car! Congratulations

Bet you can't wait!!! Maga bit of kit 🔥

@@JoeAchilles1 I am really hoping you meant "mega"?

Thank you ❤️

I think you’ve just summed it up perfectly.

Yes, indeed. Still I wanna try the Cayman

So true, it's very hard/almost impossible to order a Porsche without getting £5k plus of options 😬

@@JoeAchilles1 I just ordered my 2nd F87 this time 6 speed. I agonized over the Cayman and the extra options Id need to order. The pricing wouldve taken it into another financial level, while still driving a 4 cylinder within the price point. The GT4 too pricey and it's just not as daily. Joe you make great points. The one that almost pushed me to the Porsche was the resale value point you made. Thats very true. Still, like you, I went for the daily-ness of the M2 and the 6 cylinder which was my price point. Still I cant help but wonder how much Im missing in the driving experience.

If AMG and BMW were the best value for money, they wouldn't plummet as years go by... On the contrary, Porsche sportscars hold their value much much better.

I agree , drove both and the PDK is just perfect for this car.

Yup, 981CS owner here and sure a manual can be more fun, but it can also be hard work when you're not thrashing it plus the PDK does have slightly shorter ratios, so I chose the PDK over the manual even both having the flat 6. Didn't even look at a 718 since a 4 pot in a sports car pretty much defeats the point for me- I'd have a GT86 if I wanted fun but not the sound. ...honestly don't think I'd pick a GTS 4.0 over a 981S either to be honest, but that's because I prefer the 981 styling and it doesn't need a custom exhaust to sound really good.

I’d take my old manual 350z any day over an automatic Porsche. Especially after having driven a manual Porsche. They’re so good that to me idk why anyone who would spec one would do so with pdk unless you drive it daily and are constantly in stop and go traffic. The irony of the best most involving drivers car having an automatic (don’t try to tell me it’s manual, if there’s no clutch pedal it’s not manual) is just confounding to me. If I’m getting a pdk Porsche I’d rather get something more interesting like a lc500, alpine a110, or used Mercedes amg black series.

@@ericm8368 time to shift your paradigm

Sorry, definitely not. Take a survey if you wish.

Thank you mate 👊👊

2.5x the price of this car, though. Magnificent car, of course. About $250,00 USD over here. Vs $100 for this car. Approx $140 for a GT4.

I think you are spot on. The amount the BMW is behind the Porsche is fairly small but the practicality difference is huge

I owned a 981 GT4 and M2 in parallel, both manual. While the M2 is fun, Porsche is in a whole other world in every aspect, from clutch feel to shifter. In fact the gap is so large that I couldn't enjoy the M2 when driving them back to back. I sold my M2 after having both cars for a little over a year. I know a few guys who own M2/M2 comp as daily drivers and have GT4s as fun cars and all agree that it's not even a competition. Just my 2 cents as someone who owned both cars.

@@dantesparda2016 If I had a GT4 as a fun car I don't think I would choose an M2 as a daily. I use an SUV as a daily, but the M2C doubles as fun and alternative run around.

It’s about 700 pounds (we use pounds, because that’s as God intended, LOL) heavier than this car. 700! And not mid-engined. I’ve owned BMWs for over 40 years, but they are overweight pigs now. You can’t really mask that with 500 hp. It’s sad, really. Don’t get me started on the Pig Snout. Keeping my e39 though.

Like I said in the video, a Cayman and an M2/3/4 offer different packages.

Thanks buddy, hope you're well mate, been way too long ♥️♥️

I realized my Camaro SS1LE had similar ratio and never cared at all so I stopped listening to that complaint. The longer ratios are kinda nice on track where there things belong

These are not GT cars, though. They are proper lightweight, mid-engined sports cars. The 911 has become a GT car. It’s quite big now.

There is (2024) a set of shorter gearing that can be installed in these. Lower 2-3-4-5. About 10,000 GBP including installation, though.

Here in India, for reasons unknown, the M2 Comp costs $113k and the 718 GTS $120k more or less without options. So the Flat 6 sounds delicious!

The base M2 (update) is actually £67,670, you need to unselect the M package in the configurator for some reason.

@@JoeAchilles1 good spot, still a lot for an M2! I suspect a GTS at £77k+ would still have a lower total ownership cost than the M2, due to lower depreciation than the M2. And, the M2 Comp will be even more when that’s out.

Potentially, but 80+ % of owners buy/rent using PCP, I'm guessing the payments on the M2 will be substantially lower due to big discounts.

@@JoeAchilles1 valid point depending on discount size, but the M2 has almost moved into another category with the weight difference between the two now at 355kg; 1805kg for the M2 vs 1450kg for the GTS. Cayman ICE production is currently scheduled to finish by end of 2025, so I suspect better as a long-term keeper. The ICE M2 is scheduled to carry on until about 2030.

Drive both. I did that 14 years ago and went for the Cayman. Half the money in my case Cayman S vs 911 4S

@@andybird6102 I’ve had a 2006 Cayman S and a 997 911 C2 I’m leaning towards a 2013 - 2016 C2S but still undecided as yet

So PDK might change into 3rd before 70, personally I doubt it and what difference does it make ? You can't really enjoy these cars on the road legally. A bit of fun and suddenly it's 100+

If you want to drive 7500 rpm, use 1st gear or reverse 🔄

Haha I have no idea actually, he was moving though you're right!

Technically speaking, a Dacia Sandero will do 100mph in a matter of seconds too. Just...quite a lot of seconds ☺ It is crazy though, my last car did 100-160 faster than a lot of cars do 0-60. Not that I ever tried it (honestly officer!). My current car (981CS, hence watching this video!) is a little slower past 100 but it shifts to 3rd at 75mph, which is the exact speed at which the spoiler pops up. Very unhelpful for not getting caught speeding...

Yeah the buckets are amazing, not sure if they make it a better road car though...

@@JoeAchilles1 I have the buckets and I have tried the comfort and it’s definitely worth the money. Must of admit the car is much better with the PS4S. Prob the best upgrades. Unsure why Porsche put Pirelli’s on. Hmmm

How does the shorter gearing of the PDK help when it's still way over the speed limit? Like 95% of the cars btw? Care to name a few performance cars that do not exceed speed limits in 2nd gear? I drove a 86hp Yaris that goes all the way to 100kph in 2nd gear - this whole argument is pointless unless the 4.0 felt slow and sluggish unless you hit the rev limit which isn't the case (and you state so yourself). Always feels like ppl are making up excuses to find a fault that isn't even there to begin with.

@@dantesparda2016 PDK at least lets you fully rev through 2nd without getting in trouble. Also since the manual is basically only useful in 2nd, it seems a bit pointless having it. Still has the hassle of driving a manual in traffic but you don't really get a lot of the fun a manual should have, since it's not a car where stuff like clutch kicking to throw the back out is really relevant either.

@@ApothecaryTerry PDK still revs to 75mph/120kph. That's over the speed limit on any country road in the whole world. And again: the manual only useful in 2nd gear? Clearly shows you haven't driven these cars if you think you have to hit the rev limit every time to be fast/enjoy the car.

​@@dantesparda2016 75mph is a speed you can get away with, even if technically it isn't legal...whereas 85 is really pushing it. Of course you can have fun in lower gears, but if you want to get the most out of it then you'd basically be in 2nd the whole time. I'm not saying a manual is useless, I'm just saying that, for me, the disadvantages outweigh any advantage in fun over a PDK. If 2nd went to maybe 55-60mph I might feel differently. In terms of not driving it, that would explain the video on my channel of me driving the 981S that I've got parked outside! Crap video, slow driving, but that's not the point ☺ I'd prefer the PDK with shorter gears too, but long means it's close to 50mpg on a run, cruising at about 65- necessary for hearing the stereo properly over the tyres.

@@ApothecaryTerry no offense and congrats to your 981s, it's nice but you can't compare it to the 3.8L in the GT4 or the 4.0 in the 718s. Power delivery and torque are conpletely different in those cars. So you want to shift at 75 and then? Immediately shift down cause you're reaching the 82? No you'd still be stuck in 2nd Gear if hitting the rev limit is all you care about. I drove plenty manuals, almost all my cars were manuals. My last daily was a manual M2 and even with a turbo engine and shorter gear ratios it doesn't even scratch at a GT4's level regarding driving dynamics, engagement and fun. In the end it depends where and how you drive but going on proper twisties, you will never keep shifting like people would like to imagine, rowing through the whole gearbox, cause most cars hit the sweet spot in 2nd gear or barely engage the 3rd before reaching speeds that put them in jail. If you drive on roads with longer, stretched out sections then you can shift a bit earlier and that's that. There's plenty of power and torque before the limit. If it's about enjoying the sound and pushing it then engage 1st gear. I know plenty of owners and don't know a single one who would sell his GT4/GTS 4.0 because of the gear ratio, because it's like Joe says in his review: it's still powerful and fun without hitting the limit on every gear. If you feel like racing such performance cars at their absolute limit, riding at the rev limit non stop then take it to a track.

Divide by 1.356 - most used numbers on my calculator 😂

Thank you ❤️

@@JoeAchilles1 your welcome Joe

Just go get one from England mate....

@@RealOrbit-Australia I wish it was that easy but it would actually end up costing me more. Since Brexit I'd have to pay 10% import duty and 23% VAT on top of a Vehicle Registration Tax of 37% of market value. So it would come to over €100k.

move hereee

time to move!

Pretty sure he answers that in his first drive, at least which it has if not whether he likes it, can't remember exactly. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Afi0BlqMyS0.html

@@ApothecaryTerry Thanks for the insight. Joe comments around the 11:30 minute mark about the suspension. Overall he seems comfortable with the SPASM (20mm lowered) solution. I am in the process of ordering a 2022 GTS and need to decide on SPASM or PASM. I'm leaning towards SPASM and Joe's observation seems to support that decision.

@@stevenkrekeler8403 Personally I have neither, but I did switch from a Lexus GS450h to a 981S with the standard suspension. That initially felt like switching from zero-G to losing an MMA fight every time I drove, but after 4000 miles it feels actually pretty comfortable now, so I reckon you'd get used to the firmer option easily enough, although I can't comment on the handling benefits.

I was thinking the exact same thing 😂 Gotta love Harry! Great review here as well Joe 👌🏻

It does if you're comparing power to weight

@@johngalt5411 nice one. Il have to watch that video