Porsche vs Singer: Is Porsche Coming for You Next?

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Customizing or modifying your Porsche 911 or classic 356, could you be next in line for a visit from the Porsche Lawyers? Could Porsche sue you? Porsche and Singer have settled their legal battle but is this the last time we'll hear from the Porsche lawyers, or are Porsche looking to sue you? Discover the controversy surrounding Porsche's lawsuits and lawyers for alleged intellectual property infringement. Explore the intricate world of custom car modifications and the challenges posed by trademark rights and artistic expression. Join us as we unravel the complexities of these legal sagas and its implications for the future of automotive design. Fines, cease and desist letters, court dates and perhaps destroyed and crushed cars, is this coming to a country or town near you. Subscribe now for more automotive insights!
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@Fatty420 16 дней назад

In an effort to prevent brand dilution their tactics end up diluting their brand. Bold move.

@OutlawGarage 16 дней назад

It’s risky by Porsche that’s for sure

@kevinbodman1011 16 дней назад

You would think Porsche would be happy that owners are restoring there cars spending money at Porsche classic.

@OutlawGarage 16 дней назад

Totally, it seems crazy to me to go after small garages and individuals

@popps33 6 дней назад

mmhm! with formalized licensing packages, Porsche could be making money than spending money

@g5k830 15 дней назад

I get that builders like Singer are possibly taking away new car business from Porsche as price points are targeting the same market as their new car buyers. I wonder if this is the unspoken concern. It’s a pretty unique product development situation using someone else’s product as a donor to the creation of new IP. I wonder if Porsche should follow the lead of Nintendo, Atari etc and start making their old stuff again. You would have people lining up to buy an old 911 remade by Porsche today with new tech and techniques.

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

If Porsche made an Aircooled 911 again the market would go nuts. Hopefully they could price it sensibly, but I doubt it. There was mention of development in some of the documentation I read, not the easiest to read with google translate though. Using Porsche’s product base for your own development is risky, especially if you advertise it as well.

@g5k830 15 дней назад

@@OutlawGarage They should totally do it, it would reinvent the brand. So many of us into that wouldn’t buy what they make now. It seems so obvious and surely it’s easier than the complex cars built today. They can also see there’s a market.

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

And they should be able to do it and still be compliant with emissions I would have thought, surely they can do that. We should be the first 2 on the list!

@g5k830 15 дней назад

@@OutlawGarage my deposit is down (hydrogen combustion air cooled 🤔)

@Peanutdenver 7 дней назад

I agree with you, for the most part and would like to know this much. Are Porsche buyers who are looking for ultra rare 911s, 918s and Carrera GTs sharing some cross market shopping with Singer? I know most of Singer's 911s start at $1 plus million(US) and go up from there. Now for those who are shopping for a 992 GT3 RS/Turbo S/911 ST could also be looking to add to their collection with a Singer DLS or their new 930 Singer Turbo for another 1-2 mill or maybe not. I currently own a 718 GT4 and love the look of what Rob has done to his "reimagined" 964 911s but I'm not considering buying one as their as much as a home and I'm not in a position to purchase, but maybe quite a few of Porsche collectors are???

@aphromew4502 15 дней назад

I would understand brand dilution for reconstructed cars, like straight kit cars, but hopefully that doesn't apply to restorations

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

I agree but women of these restomods in Europe seem to be attracting the attention of Porsche

@981_pdk3 16 дней назад

Interesting video I guess the modifications depends on how easily it can be removed. If you order a track car and a non brand passenger seat is added then I guess it can be removed for sale and return it to like it left factory. Sometimes certain models get non branded exhausts as well. It’s all a bit crazy

@OutlawGarage 16 дней назад

I though the conversation of a narrow body car to a wide body and Porsche being upset was very harsh

@historychannel8457 15 дней назад

It might be time to look for another fav brand. Who love their customers back. Poor empathy. Great video. Great points. "Holding People Back from creativity..."

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

Thanks It all seems very strange. We haven’t seen any of this in Australia but it’s just really concerning

@keithbuxton5671 15 дней назад

I think that its the outlaw and restomod cars that have brought Porsche back into the limelight over the last 10 to 15 years. Without these companies there brand would be boring. If someone is prepared to pay loads of money for a Singer then Porsche is missing out. Why dont porsche build a restomod?

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

It would be a great market for Porsche, but Porsche prices would mean only a very select few could afford it

@brendankeenanFF 15 дней назад

Any word on whether they have reached out to Rod Emory? He’d be out of business if they were serious.

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

Not sure, but his website does make a clear position about what he does. I suspect others haven't been as clear...

@paulhawkins6415 6 дней назад

I have read a fair few comments and no one has said anything about right to repair. This looks like the beginning of it in the EU.

@OutlawGarage 6 дней назад

Oh that’s a really good point to raise, in Australia the consumer is somewhat protected but companies are trying to find ways around it.

@mattstanbridge 15 дней назад

I can't find any information on Porsche confiscating an ev converted 911. Surely this would show up somewhere. And if they don't own the car I find it hard to imagine that they are legally allowed to take someone else's property.

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

You’re right but I did a search on a number of documents I received and couldn’t find any. I don’t know if this is a EU thing or what, but the documents are real so it’s very strange.

@dra911 12 дней назад

Note the enormous disclaimer on the latest Singer videos. Surely they will not do "a Ferrari" and go after individuals. Modifications have been part of Porsche from the get go. Curious to know about some of these other stories now, especially since I love modifying my own car!

@OutlawGarage 11 дней назад

It seems very strange but perhaps it’s due to EU rules being much stronger. Some very odd situations

@dra911 11 дней назад

I'm in France, so I guess I'll see how I go. There are lot of shops working on old 911s and providing parts over here, so what's the line that we shouldn't cross? One assumes companies like RUF have some sort of agreement with Porsche then?

@OutlawGarage 11 дней назад

@@dra911 RUF have an agreement in place. the line seems to be very blurred.

@robbchastain3036 6 дней назад

The popularity of owners doing work to their own cars has been declining for decades. Porsche should be happy that many people are still enthused abput buying and souping up their sports cars for show or go at an SCCA race.

@OutlawGarage 6 дней назад

Yes they should and I’d imagine Porsche have quite a healthy business selling classic parts

@robbchastain3036 3 дня назад

@@OutlawGarage Imagine if Chevrolet had taken action against the low rider community for all their mods of classic Impalas? They did not, of course, and now those cars are icons among fans. And we all love Porsche, too, 911s and 917s and the one driven by James Dean. But not Mean Porsche. Life is too short to have them get mad about anyone's modified high-performance aerodynamic Beetle. 😀

@OutlawGarage 3 дня назад

@@robbchastain3036 🤣👍

@tonmanify 15 дней назад

The EU has some very strong competition laws & that may be why Porsche is going hard in Europe but not (sa far) anywhere else. Copyright can be messy too, in that if a brand doesn't defend itself from every alleged breach, then that counts against it in future cases. So Porsche might be at least partially painted into a corner by tough EU laws and needing to go after every little instance to protect itself in case any big instances come up in the future. Whatever the reason though, it's weird to be taking legal action against people for personalising their own cars.

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

Yes the EU definitely have different,and it appears stronger rules. Going after individual garage about individual cars is wild

@tonmanify 15 дней назад

@@OutlawGarage sure is - makes it really hard to understand Porsche's endgame.

@RorySeanWainer 6 дней назад

This doesn't make sense ... can you site some examples with links? Sure, reproducing badges, etc is a breach of copyright but under what law does a "sold" product still belong to the manufacture?

@OutlawGarage 4 дня назад

I don't have any links but I was sent, in confidence, legal papers issued by Porsche to a number of companies. I was also provided one final signed agreement. I also searched on the internet and really couldn't find anything but these were all cases in Europe so perhaps they are not readily available??

@kalisz01 6 дней назад

In the US, the issue will be trying to sell and profit off of a modified Porsche product. See Singer's issues. As a vehicle owner, and not a business, you can do anything you want with it. This is protected by US law. So I'm not really worried about it. Obviously, Porsche wants to control the product after they've taken money for it... and I guess in the EU, this is allowed. Sad and ridiculous.

@OutlawGarage 6 дней назад

Definitely the law is different in the EU and that’s why Porsche are testing it. It’s just not a positive impact on the community

@nextechsolutions5955 9 дней назад

Remanufactured, restored and restomoded classic Porsches have become so numerous and favored that they have begun to eat into new Porsche sales. Updated classics are better drivers cars than the new digital versions.

@OutlawGarage 8 дней назад

Just strange that Porsche would take this approach, especially with small independents

@Georgebarber1 15 дней назад

I think it's unlikely but not outside the realms of possibility that our ac community could be hassled for altering our cars. Although most of us with these cars might well get a smack across the knuckles, you my friend are in deep shit with your garage. 😂

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

I’m not answering the door to any random strangers 🤣

@popps33 6 дней назад

Porsche should think about offering licensing deals. but, porsche is trying to sell their cars not have to compete with their own older cars restored/modded. Personally, The resotmod porsches are sooo much cooler. Destroying a car is insane! Crazy Germans.

@OutlawGarage 6 дней назад

Crazy times we live in. Definitely at the high end, new Porsches are competing with these restomods so it makes for an interesting market situation. Like you said, new Porsches competing with old Porsches models, not something they would have predicted

@diegohorton869 15 дней назад

Vin # tells you if it’s real Porsche or not. Porsche is a Porsche no matter what. Modified or not. If it’s a remanufactured its boby is still a Porsche.

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

But for example, when a shop has done so much “development” and work on the car, at what point does it potentially become something else?

@diegohorton869 15 дней назад

@@OutlawGarage I think when the Porsche is made “factory” it’s an undoubtedly a Porsche. It goes to a private owner, “it’s a Porsche” it’s entire life is a Porsche. Don’t care what part is changes happens, modified or remanufactured, it’s a Porsche. You can’t sell it any other way, outlaws, Singers, Ruff. Porsche Lawyers not able to remove its name from these cars as I think they want to. It’s not a smart business decision overall but who’s going to stop this silly nonsense, as an enthusiast we should get petition to ask them to stop this, I would sign it. The old cars are ours to do as we please or a business that does the work. We are not restricted by anybody, no lawyer can say we can’t call it what it is.

@Andrew-lu6wp 8 дней назад

Dont bring ruf into this , they are a manufacturer, they are basically like AMG . Good friends with Porsche .

@OutlawGarage 8 дней назад

Agreed 👍

@TheDjcarlos67 16 дней назад

Don’t be silly

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

Good point but some of the confidential information people provided me was very scary and concerning, but there are always 2 sides to a story

@jonathanraven5939 5 дней назад

Why does Porsche have the right to confiscate a car?

@OutlawGarage 4 дня назад

I’m not sure and it was a real surprise. Converting a 911 to electric is no reason to confiscate it. However, there must be more to this so I need to do some more digging

@johnrb9397 15 дней назад

Porsche need to pívot their focus to China. Didn’t I see a Chinese made Taycan ‘homage’ the other day??

@OutlawGarage 15 дней назад

Oh I’ve not seen that, I might have to do a google search 👍

@1kontrabida День назад

NO offense but for more than 14 minutes nothing no proof was shown other than its all hush hush but their coming after u if u mod ur cars. It seems like something out of a corporate plant lol! next time post a little bit of proof so videos like this will have some credibility and not depending to be taken on face value or what this video was all about which is hearsay.

@OutlawGarage День назад

It’s really hard to show the documents I’ve been sent in the video as they have specifics in them and also photos of the cars. I just can’t show this information as it’s too specific. It’s definitely not hearsay but it’s hard to show specifics without breaking the commitment I gave to the people that shared the information with me. Hope you understand.

@dipling.pitzler7650 День назад

It is very misleading to ramble 15 minutes about legal issues without showing the disputed cars and cases! It is one thing modifying a car and another heavily altering the style,then manufacturing and selling these in numbers as practically new products using the Porsche badge as a marketing tool. Any idiot would understand the difference!

@OutlawGarage День назад

It was just not fair to the owners to share their documents in the video for legal reasons. The papers also had very clear photos of their cars and their details everywhere. It would have been very easy to trace. Hope you understand, not easy to share but a real issue for some individuals and small garages in Europe.