POST-GRUNGE: THE WORST GENRE OF ROCK? 

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One band that gets a lot of hate for not being “real grunge” is Stone Temple pilots and I don’t get it honestly. Their first album came out in 1992 which was only a year after some of the icon Grunge albums came out. Clearly they were working on it before Grunge blew up but if your gonna say “but they weren’t from Seattle” then fine I guess, that’s kind of petty and tribalist to me. The first two albums are fantastic and for me are just as big as the other iconic albums from the other four bands.

I think the real issue is the genre was way overplayed on the radio stations in the 2000s. It wasn't always my cup of tea, but I really started disliking these bands when the local stations basically had them on repeat for years

Saying 'I hope you wear deodorant' is a very post-grunge thing to say.

Grunge and post grunge are just so different from each other, and they evoke different feelings. While post grunge can be corny, sometimes it just hits with my emotional state in a special way. The type of corny/cringe that post grunge emits is like if you are feeling something and don't know how to express it so you just shout out what you are feeling, and then people around you think you are weird and you regret it, but in that short period of time it hits hard.

Grunge was essentially hearing the most painful vocals coming from people that did a lot of heroin, were really nice and funny in person, and also isolated themselves into depression as a side effect or intentionally to write the music that was getting them closer to they’re dreams. Grunge pumped out some masterpieces of tragedy and pain in very abstract ways at the cost of the singer inevitably overdosing or committing suicide.

I always found the classism in post grunge to be very interesting and ironic seeing where grunge came from. The grunge scene around Seattle weren’t hipster art school kids. They were relatively low class and yet, the privileged hipster art school crowd got a hold of them and made them popular. Now the lower class, red state rock festival crowd get no respect and the taste makers want nothing to do with them. Probably because a lot of them came from that crowd and left as soon as they could

I know they weren't mentioned much in the vid but I have to come to bat for my boys in Seether because they 100% have the necessary grunge elements that set them way apart from Nickleback and Creed. A short read through Shaun Morgan's history shows that he absolutely doesn't share the superficialities of most of their peers and a lot of his material comes from exceptionally dark life experiences. I'm never going to say they were on the same level as Nirvana (who Shaun openly states he took influence from) but I think Seether took that and evolved it into something different. Even Broken is something Shaun treated as a catch 22 given that Evanescence was a large part of the reason for that songs success (written for his daughter, was never meant to be a love song). There was always going to be commercialised tracks given that record labels will do what they do to keep any modicum of success rolling. I think Seether are wildly underrated and I definitely count them amongst my greatest influences if for no other reason than the brutal honesty of the music, not to mention they were my gateway into Metal.

Give it another 5-10-15 years however long it is but people will undoubtedly come back to this era and say it’s all amazing

I’m 22, dove into Alice In Chains about two years ago and think dirt is one of the most emotionally heavy albums I’ve ever heard and I love it. It feels genuine and really speaks too me

I remember walking into a room full of young ladies singing along to How You Remind Me at full blast, so I asked if they liked nickelback, which they replied "eeewww, no! Gross! "... and kept singing out loud.

There was a trend on TikTok a little while ago where people made videos about it being cool to hate Nickelback, but they secretly love them and were basically “coming out” as fans. The awesome part was Nickelback themselves were actually commenting on the videos and offering them tickets to see them live. It came across as really endearing. Chad Kroger seems like a genuinely nice guy and though I won’t go around bragging about it, I’ll always be a Nickelback fan.

3DG always felt closer to nu metal for me. Their stylings are closer to the metal realm, and in any prefab/commercial act it's the aesthetic that tells you where the marketing is targeted

The biggest thing about post-grunge is the record labels' single-minded pursuit of the "next Nirvana". They started signing every band that remotely sounded or looked like them and flooded the market with what we refer to now as post-grunge. Bands like Nickelback and 3 Doors Down have incredibly deep songs, thought provoking songs, and heart breaking songs. Songs that I would put up against anything in grunge with regard to emotional impact and/or societal commentary, but they were buried under the record labels who want more than anything, to make a return on their investment. That is why you get these polished, radio-ready singles like "How You Remind Me", "Someday", "Never Gonna Be Alone" from Nickelback and "When I'm Gone", "Here Without You" and "Let Me Go" by 3 Doors Down. Hidden in their discography are songs about fathers abandoning their families, being bullied, thoughts of suicide and more. I am not trying to refute any of the personality traits that were obviously different, the draw to celebrity status, and lack of social platform or political commentary certainly separated grunge from its aftermath. But like all good and pure things, the almighty dollar pursues, corrupts, mass produces, uses up, and eventually abandons said good and pure things. The hallmark of bands like Nickleback and 3 Doors Down and their longevity is their ability to play ball with the record labels. They produce their polished, panty-dropping singles and fill the rest of their record with their own music. That is why they are still around, and why they continue to draw audiences, listeners, and new fans.

“You know it’s kinda crappy, but sometimes it’s just what you want” is the perfect way of describing my relationship with this genre

Hi Fin. I have to say - Stone Temple Pilots do not belong in that "post" bucket. Their best album was released in 1992. Now, the fact is they never got to be as big as the others and more importanly they were not a part of the scene, so even in 92' they have been called a poor people's Pearl Jam- but I cant think of them and say Creed as the same era, even. BTW the "real grunge" idea is so awesome.

I grew up in the nineties in the Boston area and I don't remember Bush or STP getting hate at all. Bush was one of my favorite bands of the decade... Sixteen Stone is a rock classic. And I'll never forget Gavin Rossdale playing Glycerine solo in the rain at MTV Spring Break. One of the greatest performances in MTV history.

SIlverchair was a pretty special case imo. They released their first album when they were 15, clearly wearing their influences on their sleeves, and the songs were pretty good. Their second album got considerably heavier, but by the time their third album came out in 1999, they had truly grown into their own style. Their fourth and fifth albums just kept evolving their sound into something new, something truly artistic. All you'd have to do is listen to Israel's Son from their first album, and compare it to Across the Night on their fourth to understand just how far they evolved.

Post grunge songs actually helped me to discover further in the rock and metal scene and eventually landed me in grunge.

I've always liked Staind and like two songs from Nickelback. I don't know if Seether counts but I love them. I don't think post-grunge is necessarily a bad genre.

This genre is literally underrated and honestly it's my favorite I never understood get the hate it gets. It's a very unique sound and very addicting

I really don't understand how someone can't respect Seether. I mean I've always felt that the lyrics to their songs were very solid. The radio stuff was good but wasn't the best they had to offer. A lot of the album tracks were bangers.

Creed wrote great songs and Tremonti is a beast on guitar. A lot of "cool" people decided Creed wasn't "cool" because they THOUGHT they were a Christian band and became too popular. But their music has stood up well over time.

I love Post Grunge and am not afraid to admit it. I proudly play Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Breaking Benjamin etc. in my car.

Staind was an amazing band. Their first album is legit. I’m happy I got to see them live. I also enjoy Seether. Breaking Benjamin was also a great band and I love their drummer as a drummer myself.

Silverchairs frogstomp is a freaking masterpiece for its time.

one of adam sandler's defining bits on his snl years was him literally doing a cartoonish imitation of eddie vedder so scott stapp was on the same musical level as adam sandler but sandler did an acoustic performance with deftones so sandler has more music cred than stapp

If you’re ever seen nickleback live, you know how incredibly great they are, as far as musicianship.

Loser by 3 doors down is incredibly underrated. I’m not a Post Grunge fan but Loser is really hard hitting. I remember my dad playing it while I was young and I liked it but now I’m in my 20’s and I can understand it a little better and it’s relatable because I was and maybe still am a loser. I was beat up in middle school and made fun of by people who said they were my friends and people who treat people like losers never change so even though I’m out of school and out of my hometown there’s still people out there who’ll treat me like a loser. So I’ll be the one guy in his early twenties who’s glad they rediscovered 3 doors down.

I think there’s a huge nuanced distinction between what is really “post-grunge” (ie Bush, Silverchair, Live, etc.) and the bands that came after (ie Creed, Nickelback, Default, etc.), in which the latter aren’t really post-grunge at all but simply “modern alt rock” or the broader category “butt rock”. To call Creed and Nickelback “post-grunge” is an insult to the bands that really were post-grunge or grunge-adjacent. I also lump STP and Candlebox in with grunge because although they aren’t out of Seattle, they arose from the same period of time and were from the same general scene.

I'm glad you gave silverchair the credit they deserved, their first two albums frogstomp and freak show are 100% grunge to me

Love how hard that hits shortly after 8:24 in their song: "And I've been wrong. I've been down, to the bottom of every bottle!". Im 34 and this era holds a special place. I appreciate Nickleback, Everclear, Staind, etc.

AIC was a metal band. STP were alt rock. They got slapped with the grunge label and it just stuck.

My wife’s uncle was in a Creed cover band and they played at my wedding. It was awful!

Silverchair developed into one of the greatest songwriting bands true talents. They rose above and beyond the grunge stereotype and are far better than any of the ‘post grunge’ bands you mentioned here.

You can’t say grunge was the most important movement in music in the last 50 years when the last 50 years includes all of the bands that lead to grunge.

Silver chair is really good. It's a shame they split up. Their music kind of morphed the older they got but in a cool way. I enjoyed their first 2 albums even back then. But the stuff they did after that was always cool to see how they changed up as they got older.

Silverchair is an amazing band, and the way they infused Orchestral elements into Neon Ballroom and Diorama was really pushing some interesting boundaries.

Three days grace was one of my favorite bands when I was in high school, and I really liked the whole post grunge scene around that time. Now it’s more of a nostalgia thing for me, but I’ll always love it.

Still love the grunge era and those bands were my go to in my high school days. Pearl Jam's Ten and Alice In Chains Dirt, are 2 of my fav albums from that era. We also were treated to MTV Unplugged back then. I'm remembering bands back in the late 90's/early 2000's, like Finger Eleven, Submersed, Flaw, Cold, Crossfade, Linkin Park, Trapt, Trust Company, Saliva, among others. Still some great music.

Silverchair had an edgy thing going on in their sound because they sounded like if they wanted to be a bit more heavy metal than grunge (at least in their first album, which I love). They were super young too, so their sound was quite fresh despite the comparison to grunge. Maybe they listened to more Bleach than Nevermind.

Silverchair were 14 when Daniel wrote their first album and their sound evolved wildly over the years. It wasn't for me at the time, but listening back now I massively respect Daniel Johns' talent and enjoy the music. I'm from the same town as the band, and unfortunately will never have the op to see them live. I really hope Daniel can find some peace out of the spotlight.

Funny enough, I noticed that 3 Doors Down was coming to my hometown with Seether last summer. I knew some of their hits, and decided to give both bands a listen. I convinced my brother to check em out as well. We went to the show and took some friends with us. We all had a blast. We are 22 and 21 years old at the time of the concert, and in that moment of time we both became MASSIVE 3 Doors Down and Seether fans. I hope that can count for something lol

You criticise post-grunge for being posey, but honestly I felt like the original grunge aesthetic was a pose in itself. In the advertising industry, execs sometimes talk about "anti-marketing marketing". For me, that's what the grunge era mostly was. "Hey, look how authentic we are - we wear sickly green and brown sweaters our mums bought for us, don't wash our hair and don't bother to mix our music properly, 'cause we're REAL, man!" That's not to say I didn't like some of it ... but still. Posing as someone who's just too damn cool to give a shit is still posing. Either way, though, thanks for the video. It was an enjoyable watch 🙂

I love your videos! this is an incredible break down of the genre. I come from a hip hop and r&b background in the 90s, and would listen to some of the post grunge bands in the 2000s when I got to high school and college, and never understood the hate, but the last 10 years I've taken a deeper dive into Grunge (and other Rock) and you're so right about the differences in both, and I never really looked at the differences until more recently. Great stuff!

I was a freshman in high school when "Smells Like Teen Spirit" broke and Nirvana became one of my favorite bands overnight. I also liked and still like a lot of the post grunge bands. It's music. People spend way too much time worrying about what genre this band or that band is, that they just don't take the time to actually listen to the music. This is what a lot of people find out in their 40s. All of that music you were too cool / too good to listen to 20-30 years ago is actually pretty good once you give it an honest chance.

One of the things I've learned traveling the country is that there's a lot of places where time moves a lot slower. Trends in music, fashion and entertainment in general often take time to reach certain areas. This is why a lot of these post grunge bands remain popular despite the fact that most of the music scene crowd moved on from it years ago. Honestly, if 3 doors down is still selling out shows in Biloxi or Toledo, good for them. There's always going to be a place for super generic butt rock .

Couldn’t disagree more. Everyone I know that is my age (41) loves looking back on this post grunge era fondly. Bush still gets played regularly around my parts. To each their own but it’s hard to say “nobody respects this era” and “they still gets hundreds of thousands of plays a month” in the same thesis.

Alter Bridge was labelled post-grunge during their early carrier. Great band.

When it comes to Post-Grunge the first thing that comes to mind is Foo Fighters's first album. In my opinion Dave managed to capture that "post grunge" feel to perfection especially with the song " Exhausted" instrumentaly it still sounded "grungy" but the lyrics weren't dark and depressing. Grunge was in decline since 1993 and Kurt's death put a complete end to it it was time for something different and the Foos were the beginning.

I still love Seether to this day. They are one of the few bands in this space with a lot to say. A lot of their songs are about mental health/suicide and those types of things. Absolutely great band

Grunge, especially "Alice in Chains" helped me through the darkest time of my life. It's kind of weird that "Dirt" in particular gave me the feeling that I wasn't alone. On the one hand playing with my band was kind of a therapy. On the other hand it was the time I started using more often and AIC especially Layne Staley's vocals helped me feeling less alone. Still trying to quit. Music can help you a lot but you have to do the hard work still by yourself. My respect to everyone who made it. You are awesome. 😊

I don’t always see eye to eye with you but I can’t deny your vids always provide a really interesting insight to the different varieties of rock music. I’ve seen the words post grunge for years and never really understood what it meant. Side note: I’m a big fan of Alter Bridge and I think it’s kinda funny seeing how Flip, Mark, and Brian used to look/dress back in their Creed days lol

I was 16 when Nevermind, Dirt and Mother Love Bone came out. As a 16 year old in 1992, I latched on to the "dark" nature of grunge. It was fitting for my thoughts and feelings. By 2001 or 2002, I was sick of being depressed and high. I think this ethos is the main reason post-grunge was successful even to a fan of the grunge movement. I, as a lot of other people, were sick of feeling down all of the time and somewhat upbeat nature of the lyrics were a relief from years of negative, downer shit while maintaining some of the same qualities of the grunge sound. Now that I am 45 and don't let lyrics dictate my life, I find myself listening to 1992 more than I do 2002, but that's not to say I don't go back and forth. I feel like I'm probably not alone in this opinion.

I'm Aussie, so Silverchair is regarded as something of a "hometown hero" for a lot of people down here. I've always enjoyed them & I kind of enjoy the first Bush album as well. I'll hand in my internet music fan cred at the door.

For me, there's always been a "Suffering Olympics" component to the reception of any "post-" movement or shift to a more mainstream focus. It's like there's a feeling of "these people aren't REALLY about this life, so any opinions they have are invalid and their emotions fake." We're attracted to extremes, and tend to view those as more "real", while ignoring the fact that most people don't fit those extremes and exist somewhere on a spectrum. I'm a "country suburban" black kid who grew up during that second wave of post-grunge, but still discovered (and enjoyed) "authentic" grunge and the original (Korn) flavor of nu-metal around the same time. Stuff like Creed spoke to me in ways that Nirvana couldn't because yeah, while I may share some of the same feelings and thoughts about life with grunge artists, I don't share their background or current situations. I have a friend who grew up in the 90s and is a major fan of Bush, and it's the same story: Was intrigued and influenced by the grunge explosion like most 90s kids, but couldn't fully relate because her circumstances weren't exactly the same, hence her affinity for the "lighter" elements of post-grunge. Any "post-" movement is the result of people seeking an outlet to express and make sense of of their own situations and emotions after being awakened to it by someone who's experiencing/experienced the totality of it. The commodification aspect of it sucks, but quite frankly that's the inevitable result of fame and being recognized in a world where "art" and "product" are often made to be one and the same. And trust, if there isn't some legitimate authentic component to the movement somewhere, it dies pretty quickly (like the 90s swing revival). Tl;dr: Musical genres reflect the fact that no one thing speaks to everyone in the same way. What comes off as a poser to one (and may very well be one in reality) is relatable to another. Commercialization and those who chase it will always exist, but we shouldn't let that obscure the reasons as to why one particular flavor of genre is popular and reaches others.

I will say even though I went through a metal phase in my teens I remember growing up listening to bands like Nickelback and Three Doors Down , I actually remember watching the all star home run thing when Three Doors Down played and I remember loving them. I literally remember breaking my moms Creed cd because I played it so much but I also love Nirvana . I think bands like Shinedown , Nickelback and Three Days Grace and others bring me back to better days

I love post grudge because of artist like breaking Benjamin and Seether. I felt they brought something new and exciting to the table back in the 2000’s. They weren’t reinventing the wheel like nirvana sure, but if we’re being honest most bands out there aren’t either and they brought great song writing and really well performing sets. I think people hate on post-grudge because many artist in that era were making pop sounding Emoish music and trying to sell it as post-grunge when it’s more sad pop rock music. Nickelback isn’t bad when u look at it in a pop rock light but it’s terrible when you’re looking at it from a pure “rock” stand point

When I was on tour in Russia, the biggest surprise was how much everyone I met loved Nickelback and had no idea they were considered such a joke in the west.

15:47 Actually I did have a friend in the early 00s who said Creed's "One Last Breathe" coming on the radar pulled him back from some suicidal thoughts. And this guy was not at all the typical Creed fan or anything. He was a ska and punk fan well after the peak of the 3rd wave.

I really liked STP, Bush, Candlebox, and Silverchair, but I never knew they were considered post-grunge. I just thought of them as '90s alternative rock and didn't associate them with grunge at all. The "second wave" does sound like they're trying (and failing) to imitate the major grunge groups.

My Mom was really into Creed and she took me and my brother to a Creed laser light show. It was like an hour of "life and god are beautiful" imagery to butt-rock. 10/10

Yes, I'll say it. Creed saved my life. I was a troubled youth and in a juvenile detention facility when My Own Prison came out. Imagine being a young kid, locked up in a facility listening to My Own Prison on a crappy battery powered radio, while LITERALLY sitting in an actual prison, of my own making (due to behavior). It was impactful to say the least. Creed was the reason I learned to play guitar, and shaped the way I play. Creed probably impacted my life more than I can quantify. At 40, listening to My own Prison still hits me in a special way. D chords hit me in a different way. I get the hate, and realize I'm in a minority, but Creed will always be a special band to me.

I think Candlebox, Bush, Silverchair, and Everclear came early enough to be considered genuine Second Wave Grunge. Post-Grunge Rock followed, definitely being defined by Creed and Nickelback.

Finn, I'm seeing a trend that needs to be addressed. Stone Temple Pilots album - Core came out in 1992. Less than a year after Nevermind. I'm wondering why I keep hearing people say that STP were just posers when they were right there in the beginning. Yes they were from CA, and Kurt was from WA, but that sound was traveling everywhere at that time. Just saying. I think the STP hate should stop.

The term post grunge is strange when a lot of people immediately dismiss anything other than Nirvana, AIC, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden. Especially since all of these bands “styles” were all over the place.

I loved “Grunge” and a lot of “Post Grunge”, but I was in my twenties. Van Halen remained my very favorite throughout that decade. In the early 2000’s, anything Chris Cornell had done or would do, became my favorite. ❤

that Frogstomp album was really good it blew my mind they were so young

Love him or hate him, Mark Tremonti is one of the most influential rock/metal guitarists.

I remember when Creed was starting to break and watching the rockumentry on MTV. What I came to conclude with bands like Creed and Nickelback is this was the newest flavor of Arena Rock. I remember when people used to mock and make fun of the Arena Rock bands of the 70's like Boston, Journey, and Styx for example. Than the hair metal bands became the next flavor of Arena Rock which people of course decried. There are a lot of people who aren't angsty, they just want to have a good time, drink with their buddies and rock out. So Creed, Nickelback come along, and essentially become the next flavor of Arena Rock. None of the other waves of Arena Rock were doing anything ground breaking, it was just a place to have fun. You give it another ten fifteen years, you will have college students in bars singing along to "How You Remind Me" just like they sing along to "Don't Stop Believing" now.

Alice in Chains was the first band/music I EVER remember hearing. I was about 2 years old. I could barely talk. I remember being in my carseat saying “dad play angy chair ! Play angy chair” this was in the late 90s so my dad but in the Dirt cassette tape and played angry chair. AIC had such an impact on me, i named my son Layne. AIC has been my favorite band literally my whole life. Ive also struggled w addiction for many years so I understand the pain within the song lyrics. Layne Staley was the voice of a generation. He was amazing and its so heartbreaking knowing how much he suffered the last couple years of his life. RIP Layne❤

Anyone have an opinion on the best cities/states to move to for the Post-Grunge genre

Always liked this genre lol, 100% get why it's so universally hated but in my opinion, there's something about it that just... works. Whether it be some great hooks, killer guitar riffs, tasty rhythm sections or vocalists that I find to be genuinely good or passionate, I feel like there's a lot of good hidden in the genre as a whole.

Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, Fuel, Crossfade etc are good bands though. I don't understand the hate. The lyrics are emotional and something you can connect to and the guitar work is a great blend between heavy and melodic. I don't care what people think, it's probably my favourite and most listened genre (if I look at my streaming statistics and collection). Even the softer bands in the genre like Lifehouse and Switchfoot are nice. I think the hate comes from the fact that they sounded more gentle and easy to listen to compared to the original grunge scene, but I don't see that as a negative. I think they were just doing good music. Not everything has to be a huge cultural breakthrough with singers like Kurt Cobain who criticised society. A nice ballad or relatable rock song is good enough. Edit: More bands in this genre I love: Our Lady Peace, Chevelle, Seether, The Exies, Atomship, Smile Empty Soul, Staind, Future Leaders of the World, Finger Eleven (pre Paralyzer lol)

In central and NE Pennsylvania a lot of these bands are very popular, and were especially so in the mid- too late 2000's early 2010s when I was in high school and middle school. Breaking Benjamin is from my hometown. My friend circle was heavily into the top 4 grunge bands of Seattle and acted like hipsters about what with real grunge and not, thank god we grew up. Before I started playing music in like 2005 I love to listen to a lot of this music especially Breaking Benjamin. But then when we got into the big 4 of Seattle started being gatekeepers about that stuff in my friend group. We accepted stuff like Stone Temple Pilots Smashing Pumpkins, even Bush 2 some degree. Really anything before like 1997 we considered to be real. Once we started drinking more alcohol instead of only marijuana we started to accept post-grunge because of the Nostalgia it brought us from our childhood. I noticed that most people in my area aren't into music history and don't have that sort of punkish aesthetic in opinions about authenticity. They just enjoy music for what and don't have time to think about commercialization and all that garbage. When I was working construction in the mid 2010's you will go to a job site around Wilkes-Barre or somewhere In sticks like Shamokin and there would be a radio playing 97 9x from Wilkes-Barre which is basically just a repeating lineup of grunge and assorted other rock music, going back as far as the 60 ft mostly focusing on 90s alternative, grunge, metal, and post-grunge then you strike up a conversation with a guy 10 years order and he says he lost his virginity while some random song by Creed played in a car next to the Susquehanna River. But then you'd also talk about Tool and Pearl Jam, and the "real" music too

I always thought Post-Grunge was pretty neat. There's a lot of songs I remember hearing on the radio and those were good times.

STP was a brilliant band.. Core and Purple are certifiable masterpieces.

I loved Three Days Grace when I was in highschool and still listen from time to time for the nostalgia. I think a lot of us who liked this music, we were just too young to compare it to grunge. I was born in the 90s so I only started listening to Nirvana much later as an adult.

When you started to discuss Nickelback lyrics I thought you were going to call them out for rhyming "sorry" and "story"😂

I still add Candlebox into the grunge mix because they are from Seattle and Kevin Martin was friends with Andrew Wood and even wrote the song "Far Behind" as a tribute to him. He also worked at a shoe store with Susan Silver who married Chris Cornell and managed Soundgarden, AIC, and Screaming Trees, to name a few. Musically, I think Candlebox came out too late during the grunge movement. I think had they come out at the same time as the Big 3, Candlebox could have been number 4, just my opinion though. Regardless, they're still one of my favorite bands.

I don’t think post - grunge wasn’t that bad. It felt like the hate was equivalent to what nu metal had when it comes to hate: it was everywhere and their were bad/mediocre bands that outshined the good.

I understand why this particular genre gets hate but at the same time, I feel like this genre was the entry point to discovering the better bands so it has its musical importance.

3:55 I vividly remember the culture shift that happened when nevermind came out. It was like something had come through and wiped the slate clean all across the cultural landscape. Other artists have been along since and made imprints. But haven’t seen the likes of it on that scale since nirvana and others came along. The 90s music scene is the start of the modern day music era in so many genres in my view. And STP is a damn amazing band, rest in peace Scott.

if anyone sees this comment, what's with the tool article title at 13:56? what does tool have to do with grunge OR god forbid post-grunge?

I still love Seether and Silverchair. I'm not ashamed. My parents listened to most of these bands late 90s, early 2000s, so I'm pretty nostalgic for the most part.

I would consider Staind to be nu-metal with grunge influences, they were first and foremost a nu-metal band culturally that later evolved to be more of a post grunge act.

I suppose it also depends on what age you were when these bands came out. Don't think I would refer to those bands as "post-grunge" as that label itself gets dated as the years go on. Most of those bands developed their sound as they went on. Especially Silverchair. Neon Ballroom definitely showed a maturity to their music, which then peaked with Diorama (which is one of my favourite albums). Half those bands also got put under the Nu-Metal label, and Creed got called christian rock.

All of these bands are treated differently not like they are all “post grunge”, there is actually post grunge puts grunge alt rock and then there’s butt rock/ pop rock meaning nickelback ect, also stone temple pilots came up at the same time as mainstream grunge, they are technically the end of true grunge

You can hate Nickelback all you want. But you can't convince me that their song Far Away is not a great song.

I’ve always thought Seether’s early albums (Disclaimer II and Karma & Effect) did a good job channeling a more true grunge spirit before their sound evolved into a more nickelback approach to the genre.

Man, I don't know. We have a huge difference of opinion. I've been listening to your videos all day and I hate to say but you definitely sound like a gate keeper. I listened to Nevermind on repeat when it came out in 91'. I also listened to Frogstomp on repeat when it came out in 95'. Same with the Downward Spiral, Antichrist Superstar, Short Bus. Gravity Kills, STP, Bush, Korn, Staind, Linkin Park, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Sponge, Hum, Beck. I loved all these bands. I even have the the Hybrid Theory album cover tattooed on my back. You deny being a gatekeeper but that's exactly what you are.

Just want to give my opinion, I was born 1999 so missed out on the grunge erra but I actually have had this itch in the back of my mind trying to figure out what genre some songs were including diary of jane, and the openning to ergo proxy so I looked it up and turns out it was post grunge. I just think its nastralgic for me. Post grunge feel like a warn out pair of jeans while grunge would be a cut up pair. One is dealing with a damaged psychy while the other is just one that feel warn out. I think to enjoy post grunge you have to seperate it from grunge itself. When you are wanting to validate your tramitic experience or intense self-conflict then ya grunge makes sense but the feeling of being warn out doesn't fit so of course you wont like especially because you are expecting that validation.

silverchair are actually much different from nirvana. while they certainly looked a lot like them, their first album frogstomp is actually far more reminiscent of pearl jam and soundgarden. their second album sounds a lot like helmet and yes, nirvana. but when their third album came out they reached a level of musical maturity. daniel johns is a truly gifted songwriter and musician, which became even more evident on their fourth album diorama, which could arguably be considered their best album. and daniel has gone on to do great solo work, his new album is phenomenonal, although not the post grunge of his previous work.

7:30 "Does it matter what people wear? No." Me who watches Finns videos solely to see him roast peoples drip: 👁️👄👁️

I remember being deeply into everything post grunge up until the around 2010. It just all sounds dated now.

do you consider the first foo fighters album as a grunge or pust grunge album?

This was fair. I'm glad you didn't rip into STP. I don't care if they were grunge or not, they had amazing musicianship and great lyrics. Just a damn good band.

Come on Finn. I mean Scott Weiland sounded similar to Eddy Vedder on STP’s first album but the music was completely different. They ended up being a great and diverse band. It’s about as annoying as when people still say Muse is a Radiohead knock off.

I feel like gen z’s next move is to bring this genre back unironically while wearing gaucho flares and adding brown wood paneling to their apartments

What I tend to notice is that the further away from blues rock goes, the emptier it gets. It just blows my mind because as much as I like the old delta blues stuff, I never really went out of my way to listen and discover it but I just can't get enough of all the bands that list blues musicians as major influences.