Post Office 'has case to answer for corporate manslaughter', senior Tory MP says | ITV News 

This is an absolute joke, Paula needs to be in prison FFS

It's not like a conspiracy, IT IS A CONSPIRACY

"can we keep the language not emotional" says all you need to know about the heartless people behind this travesty of justice !! Shame on her !

Doors need kicking in and arrests need to be made URGENTLY.

Why does it take TV shows to cajole the police into investigating? It's like they're being embarrassed into doing their job when they can't avoid it any more.

Post Office management should be held accountable rather tomorrow than next week.

We need to stop waiting for the enquiry. The police should investigate now. Theres simply too much evidence of wrong doing to wait another few years for a report. We have a police force and courts for these situations.

British justice is as slow as a Post Office delivered letter.

Telling him off for "emotional" language? They destroyed the lives of so many people.

These top executives of the Post Office continually express sorrow for what has happened. Folks, you've all got it wrong. They're expressing sorrow for being caught, for their plans being undone, and for having to be dragged into a public enquiry. For ten years or more, they expressed no remorse or regret for the hundreds of innocent people having their lives trashed. After all, these poor people having their lives trashed were little people, who were potentially in the way of the Post Office's grand plans.

Arrest Vennells now!

Belinda Cortes-Martin "Can we keep the language not emotional..." Staggering words of an almost pompous & uncaring level...

I am watching all of this from New Zealand and even from this distance I cannot understand why, when it is so bleedingly obvious that your Post Office knew that they were persecuting innocent people over many years and having become aware of that, continued to do so, the Police are not all over this and seem reluctant to be there. Another thing that needs answering is why, after Horizon was installed and suddenly it seemed that the Sub- Post Offices were seeming staffed by a variety of larcenous crooks, nobody in a senior position actually thought. ''Hey, wait a minute, why have we not seen these losses and criminal behaviour before, what has changed, surely we have not suddenly got all these people stealing from us"" ! Was the Post Office protecting Fujitsu, or what was their motive in so blindly defending Horizon?

How on earth is vennels and her mob not locked up ? A disgrace

How many more cases of outright official corruption that nobody answers for will I learn of during my life? …I am now 65 years old and have watched the cases roll on by time after time with nobody brought to account for the evil they have been knowingly responsible for.

Paula Vennells, Anglican priest and past ethical investment advisor to the church of England. Once touted for the post of Bishop of London. So much for values....

These slime at the PO prosecuted sub post masters for another 6 years after they were told in no uncertain terms that there was a problem with the horizon system. Every single person in the PO management team that knew should be facing prison time. It wont happen because we live in a soft society and these people have money, power and influence.

Belinda Cortes-Martin also needs to be arrested for fraud.

Belinda Cortes-Martin must be tried, and I hope she’s not emotional.

3:12 . . the lawyer and Cortes-Martin should be dis-barred and charged. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have to ask, what these terrible no-moral people did to get to their powerful positions ? How many people's lives in the past, have they ruined on their quest to climb to the top of the "corporate ladder" ? Appalling human beings.

Its a case for the police. Not poleticians.

Taken far too long to get the guilty prosecuted. Did not take that long to get innocent people castergated.

can we remove emotional language....amoral sociopath talking there....

Disgraceful, they knew all along but still prosecuted innocent people.

Ron Warmington was spot on with his questions to these liars

“Can we keep out emotions” shows you exactly how things like this happen.

"If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear.". Hand over ALL the documents and emails, without exception. Its called transparency.

The only sorrow they feel, is for themselves. The game appears to be up.

'Justice delayed is justice denied' Remember that quote? This is just kicking the can down the road. There is an urgent need for fast track inquiries not shenanigans that take decades till they are 'too old to stand trial' or 'it wouldn't be in the public interest'. Any further evidence of wrong doing and the perpetrators can be retried at a later date. Meanwhile all those implicated should have their passports revoked and charged for corporate manslaughter.

Paula has to been sent to Prison! Just unbelievable!!

Everyone who was involved in this should be prosecuted and jailed, absolute disgrace

The only sorrow which Angela van den Bogerd and Paula Vennels feel is the thought of themselves being tried and prosecuted, NOT for the victims of the massive scandal.

perverting the course of justice, the management of the post office have a lot to answer for

It’s a bit rich that Belinda Cortes-Martin accuses a witness of the heinous crime of ‘using emotive’ language. He was simply stating a fact. People were literally dragged away in handcuffs for non-existent crimes

My heart goes out to these poor people who’s lives have been ruined Can we put Paula & her executive in custody until they get to the bottom of this ?

I am absolutely sick of the way things are done in the UK, what happens? we hold an Inquiry, takes years and does nothing (other than make the legal profession a packet). Covid Inquiry a case in point. The police need to be involved NOW - mind you they will probably take years as they appear endlessly to be unable to find their backside with either hand.

This Scandal gets worse by the Day, and it looks as if all they are doing is Kicking it down the Road, why has it taken so long for these Telephone calls to come out.

That smile's about to be wiped from Belinda's mug.

So what that the Judge will have the power to question under oath. We all know by now that it's perfectly acceptable to lie under oath, especially if you're a Post Office executive!

"I hope there is enough room in prison" Even prison will not atone for the heinous crimes against the Post Masters treated so despicably.

I hate it when people like that say “can we keep the language from being emotional?” Why? So that you don’t have to deal with how your actions have made other people feel?

Can we assume that the rich in power will protect their rich mates from the Post Office?

The Met is going to work really hard to do a cover-up on this one. What is the minimal number of scapegoats necessary for everything to blow over?

I cannot wait for the inquiry to resume. Air it live.

So ironic that politicians think it’s terrible when others lie..

All the persons involved on the legal advice who intentionally suppressed evidence, stone walling and lying to the committees should have their professional licences cancelled for ever and prosecuted

Paula Vennels and others who went along with her decisions and actions need to hear the door slamming behind them. Otherwise the UK system of public inquirery and justice is broken beyond repair.

It's utterly disgusting.

Anyone asked Vennels whether she still considers herself as being a Christian? Just asking....🤬

ITV's Adam Crozier was Royal Mail chief executive from 2003-2010.

Justice cannot wait for the enquiry to be completed.

I've been wondering for quite a while why the post office are not facing corporate manslaughter charges. Could it be because they are part of the establishment?

Basically they need to go to prison

What for the truth, it's all there to hear, scandalous, absolutely disgusting

Same old story...One rule for one and one rule for another🤬.....if there's any justice left in this country, then these lying lowlifes need prison time for sure.....

I thought this kind of garbage only happened where I live. The USA.

Yes another Public Sector Service, totally demolished and Dimised, again and again and again 😢😢😢😢😢

Prison for at least how long this has gone on

TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE TWO MPs. THERE IS NO TEASON WHY THE POLICE SHOUKD NOT CONDUCT PARALLEL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS (In consultation with the Public Inquiry). In fact it is essential - because evidence or witnesses before the Inquiry may well be PREJUDICING A POLICE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION!!!!

This is murder...

The amazing thing is that the conspiracy theories are all true.

Many of the police who're involved; many of the higher-ups at the PO, and many politicians, are members of an organisation that swears an oath to protect its members above all else. That's why nothing is happening - and probably won't happen - to the perpetrators of this heinous crime. The rich and powerful have connections that protect them, at the expense of everybody else. A lot of people involved in this conspiracy need to be charged, and convicted, if guilty. But even many of the judiciary are members of the same organisation that is protecting these people. Getting justice is going to be more than just an uphill battle - it needs the British people to wake the f**k up and finally realise who is running the show here.

Utter corruption right through the entire establishment

The cowards are scattering, slithering around & in hiding !

This fiasco just gets worse and worse, I think they have hit the bottom and then more horror is discovered.

Prison for the fat cats? That's just for people who protest this kind of injustice or were victims of this injustice. No time spared on the miscarriages of justice plenty of prosecutions there but no rush on compensation or holding the real criminals to account.

They lied under oath and should have their day in court.

Fair play to Second Sight in all of this. They appear to have a wonderful moral compass and weren’t afraid to upset their employers to ensure it was followed!

Can the police be assumed to be impartial?

Someone needs to go to jail

Watch out for the pretense of remorse. It is actually damage control.

Any normal person has something called morales….these top bosses had none….yet took massive bonuses.

Bit rich coming from a Tory MP... 🤷

Emotion will override logic… They don’t want to be treated the way they treated others. Tough 😎

I am convinced that there won’t be a single prosecution for perjury or conspiracy to pervert the course of justice for any PO or Fujitsu employee and there certainly won’t be a corporate manslaughter charge. Nor will any barrister or solicitor who worked for the Post Office suffer any serious professional penalty.

They are all sorry because they have been caught

I think it's clear to everyone, the post office as a business is finnished. What once was a trusted and well respected part of our society is now just in the toilet. In my opinion all top management need prosecuting to the full extent of the law. Fujitsu also need to have all government contracts either suspended or cancelled. It's blatantly obvious they all can't be trusted to tell the truth.

the country is getting depressed and the whole nation once great , has lost it's appeal as a safe and properous country .

These people are corrupt but in their hearts they will feel no guilt. It's a particular feature of the English class system

If it’s not this scandal it will be other government departments such as CMS and DWP. Just needs time to expose this and people power!!!

Worth noting: this particular conservative MP - Nadhim Zahawi - was sacked (as chancellor no less!) for not declaring his tax interests, after being fined £5m by HMRC. He also billed the taxpayer for heating his stables. He actually expensed that. Pot, meet kettle.

A brilliantly well put together piece of reporting!

Mr Blair needs to answer questions and junior ministers that were involved at the time a Horizon contracts were given out. To many Brown developed have been passed around behind closed doors. Yes the post office execs are culpable but so.are the ministers.

Michael Keegan needs to be interviewed by the police too.

The Post Office Managers need to be prosecuted. Prison time for sure. I'm an accountant and the question I'm still asking myself is, "Why on earth was this 'secret unit' in Bracknell changing the branch accounts anyhow?" I just cannot fathom the purpose why? Was it just a bunch of Post Office or Fujitsu techies playing around for a laugh or were Post Office managers perpetrating a fraud to cook the books. Either way, it's a failure of management and the senior Post Office managers at that time are guilty of gross negligence, a failure of proper care to their employees and as the news item says, corporate manslaughter. This is such an appalling story. To think Vennells is a vicar says a lot about her hypocritic, if not schizophrenic, morality. The most worrying thing is, the Post Office hasn't changed, this culture is still there and you will find such indifference, such avoidance of accountability and such lacking on so many levels throughout all public sector bodies. I know from personal experience that rather than deal with a problem, a public sector body would rather slap on a non-disclosure agreement. The behaviour of the so called managers is absolutely disgraceful. If these Post Office managers sleep at night, it shows they have no conscience whatsoever. Perhaps time in prison will provide the time for reflection they so obviously need. My condolences are with those that died and were prosecuted unfairly by these Post Office criminals and that is what they are, conspiratorial criminals.

Why is this taking so long. The CEO and her staff should hand back their bonuses and face jail. Who is dragging this out!

Wow. How much evidence is needed. Stone cold criminal behaviour. That programme director is so defensive in those calls

This woman was/is a pastor, providing spiritual guidance to her flock, is this the new prosperity bible I've been hearing about since the rise of Americanised evangelism?

If this is kept out of the courts now, there is no justice in this country for the common man or woman, these are clearly very serious issues and they need their day in court.

“We have provided all the documents we think we should give you….” There is the criminality right there.

Why are you asking Zahawi for his opinion? He lost any and all right to give an opinion on supposed (well, actual) withholding of information to help with an inquiry and investigation when he obfuscated the investigation into his own tax affairs.

Bit rich for Zahawi to accuse them of not telling the truth!! His tax settlement is just that- it’s a deal: no full frank and open disclosure and no certainty he’s in fact paid the tax he should have done if he hadn’t concocted the ownership model he did. Not someone to hand out lessons

Why was Jenkins not questioned over his previous position at ICL which designed Horizon before Fujitsu bought out.

Zahawi.. pot kettle 🤔 2 simple rules for life; No.1 - Never trust a tory No.2 - Never forget rule number 1

Why haven't these tapes been submitted previously to the inquiry as part of the evidence gathering? They are crucial evidence.

I am one of the victims of the Post Office and I would like to say this. We are seeing what back in the day would be called "the Establishment" closing ranks. They are all pointing the finger at the Post Office bosses (rightly to some extent) but then trying to escape accountability themselves. Every single political party at senior level knew about this and approved of it, yet none of them are in the firing line. Nothing done by the legal oversight bodies with regard to solicitors and barristers misconduct, nothing done with regard to the judges who presided over the miscarriages of justice, at the very least they should be made to review these cases and work out how they got it so wrong, and none of the senior civil servants involved who also knew and are known to have incentivised the POL management to do this. How many Post Offices were closed never to open again and was this simply a way of closing down the network without paying the compensation Postmasters should have received.

Zahawi, as MP, has a long history of voting in favour of benefits cuts against the disabled. His pretensions of now showing himself as a champion of the underdog, is laughable.

Long overdrew where has accountability gone?

Get the police up to speed

Those people we hear on the tapes belong in jail. The woman saying don’t talk in emotional language should be the first one in handcuffs. Heartless. They knew that people had been jailed falsely and simply didn’t care. But Paula Vennels got an award in 2019 all the while a Cabinet minister had strong suspicions she was complicit in a miscarriage of justice so why didn’t he object? How could he allow her to move to another sensitive job? Who was protecting her? Someone had to have been.