Potemkin's debut was god awful 

A Character that I can relate to!

Twelve from sf3 did it best

@@ResnimationsXD spreading the good word I see

@@Resnimations twelve is low risk no reward; he can mix you up for days, but he also *has to* do it for days because a slap or throw is the most he can get without meter.

@@Resnimations Twelve isn't as bad as you might imagine from watching a very specific youtube video. He's bad, but he's not god awful, he's perfectly usable

It's definitely a good read when It does happen.

I still remember the dustloop of Android 21 (Labcoat) when she realased in FighterZ and you could sense the sanity of the writer dying with every sentence.

There's also BBCT's Hakumen and Tager lol

@@Astra_351 What happened to it?

@@spiralanimations7736 She has been nerfed a bit, but like, she's still unquestionably the best character in the game and the Dustloop reflects it.

Not a risk and reward character a full risk character that damages you irl.

Yeah, comparing ML Potemkin to Strive Potemkin is freaking night and day man. Don't get me wrong, I know Strive Pot is mid on a good day, but in terms of having a coherent kit and actual reward, Strive Pot is hands down the better designed character.

@@webbowser8834 Also Strive Pot has the best character in the game Happy Chaos' worst matchup which I find hilarious.

@@AnthanKrufix How is that so? I want to know for...academic...reasons...

​@@phatbman HC's gunshots, which tend to box out other characters pretty strongly, are harder to use against Pot's armored moves because they can usually tank one bullet, which is usually all Chaos has time to shoot if Pot is hammer falling in or smth. His complete lack of defensive options besides YRC and burst means he has a difficult time getting Pot off him. This weakness was more pronounced before he was changed from a zoner to more of a rushdown character, but it still means that Chaos has to play the matchup differently to what he would like to.

@@webbowser8834 ML?

I mean slide head can still be punshed on hit on some distances at current gg.

I think they forgot to finish this game.

There's a reason it has missing in the title

Don't Axl, Testament, and Kliff not have infinites either?

@@crinsombone5380 Axl has his own infinite, but it's hard to use and only works on specific characters.

Also, Potemkin does have an infinite, but it only works against Testament. He just hits them with 2K, which knocks them down (Much like his 2D, but much worse because this is Missing Link Potemkin), and then OTGs them with it because they can't tech.

Man literally became the letter Z

​@@fojisan2398I thought it's a failed Tetsuzanko.

if pot bent his knee it'd have look like swatstika if you REALLLY squint your eyes

Those oversights to Axl is wild!

I guess it's not only lore where he's anomaly in the system.

Guilty Gear: The Missing Line of Code

Axl's hitboxes were time-travelling, but Arc System decided against keeping this flavorful aspect of Axl in. It's totally not that they forgot, nope, no sir.

ML?

WHAT

@@Chaoktarukto yup, that's why Pot weirdly has a throw that go in the opposite direction of your stick in the sequel since, by then, they learned how to distinguish between 6h and 4h for throws. It wasn't until xrd where Pot's grab actually sent enemies in the direction you were pointing the stick at.

oh yeah that shit is menacing 💀

not +r, Accent Core, he got nerfed in +r

Pot is still a very solid character In plus r

Potemkin seems to have a mixed ranking in tierlists on dustloop. Some putting him at A, others putting him at C. I think he was strong tho.

It’s lore-accurate…

Thank you for the kind words!

Understandable

man really wrote an essay

I expected one of these to show up

So decent. I don't know why you felt the need for an essay to just say that he was decent.

@@HellecticMojo Yeah, man might as well have said "Potemkin is god tier if he is up against the Third Strike cast"

I'm here to provide

he's a menace in ac, not plus r

This wasn't a video about accent core Potemkin?

That's just the accent core version not the +R version.

A fully punishable on hit DP among others

​@@nanor4214 Fully punishable... ON HIT?!

@@robotizedcyborg7788 -58 on hit to be precise and I think there is a gap between the 2 hits of it too

@@nanor4214 Oh my god... I could take a shit and STILL be able to punish him, FOR MAKING A RIGHT PLAY?!

Most of the time it becomes minus because of weird hitstun cancelling tech or bug or just crunch time. But I don’t think minus on hit is always bad and can be interesting if done well. Such as moves that send the opponent far away enough you can’t be punished or inherently high risk moves such as jiggly puff rest where if you do it right you aren’t minus because the opponent is dead. On pot particularly forward megafist vs grounded opponents is usually slightly minus to stop him from running his mix off hitting a forward moving disjointed high attack which would be super degenerate and unfun.

@@TheFatManatee ok fair enough there are moves where being minus on hit is acceptable. I was more so just talking about general moves but fair point.

@@PhillipOnTakos yeah in general it really shouldn’t be seen that often as it tends to be a last resort balancing option because if done wrong it feels super bad to use

The character Bryan from Tekken 7 has an quick unblockable that leaves him at minus -12 on hit. The unblockable Itself doesn't do to much damage and has bad range so I'd find that as an acceptable implementation of being minus on hit.

Minus on hit is alright. Punishable on hit means that the move is a mistake and should never be used. It's just such an awful move design.

Is it not a sleepy sheep from Y:Lad does look like nightmare fuel thoufh

In Guilty Gear Xrd, Bedman has a terrible super called Hemi Jack. This Is that but I drew a night cap on It's head and Voilà, you have my profile pic.

@@MrUnc it's terrifying, and I think it takes up too much of the screen

@@DXTb0nEXD good to know for future videos. Thanks for the input!

the body hitbox was also minus on Xrd I think

@@bassbusterx Potemkin’s abysmal in Xrd too

Yes, I do think the Strive Iteration of Potemkin is good. I'll elaborate and counter on your points made. [Forward Mega fist -2 on hit? (which is makes him grab punishable on hit, I repeat, ON HIT)] Yes, This is correct at the closest possible range of being hit by the Mega Fist. But due to factors like spacing or pushback, this scenario rarely comes into play. [8f 2p, but needs 10f to get full range?] It is an admittedly slow normal but reliable at being a mashable button for scrambles. [blockable Heat Knuckle so you have to guess again after guessing correct once?] This becomes an incredibly strong mix-up for Pot when blocked as there Is a Vacuum effect keeping them close with plus frames for the Pot to initiate a Strike/throw mix. [insanely slow normals that doesnt really lead to anything?] You may be referring to slow normals like 5H, 2H, 6H or f.S. These normals, while slow, excel at being far reaching buttons that can catch people at range. Each of these buttons have their place in the neutral; F.s can catch people jumping, 5h Is long reaching poke that gives great reward on counter hit like closing the gap with slide head or hammerfall(depending on distance), and 6h functions as an incredibly high damage disjointed button that can lead easy oki and corner carry after a Ch. [5p that whiffs on crouchers? which means it whiffs on fools actually running in ur face? Useless as an anti-air too btw] The main reward of 5p comes from being a quick anti-air tool. It reliably links into 2S, not as a button to stop people from running at you. f.S Is a better button for that situation, as that covers both ground and air. [super vertical and almost no horizontal range 6p? (this would've been balanced if everyone was like that but no, everyone has horizontal range on their 6p BESIDES POT)] You pretty much stated the main strength of his 6p, the verticality. The horizontal range of Pot's 6p Is not the biggest factor here. Most of what makes a 6p good is the anti-air reliability and the upper-body invincibility. Both of these fit the bill as he will be able to reliably hit people with it and get rewarded. [blockable slide head, but they made it super slow, super reactable, and armor doesn't last the whole move??] At the point about the armor not lasting for the whole move, you mean he needs the Armor frames for the recovery period? I can't see that as being very balanced for the attacker reacting and punishing correctly. But If you meant having armor up until the move Is active then that is already the case since the release of Strive. As for the point on reactions, this is entirely subjective for every player. It could be hard to react for some but easier for others such as yourself. It is slightly slower than the previous iteration of the move but not so much for people to avoid It 100% of the time. For the blockable point, this is understandable to me because of certain aspects in Strive that can lead to inescapable scenarios if Slidehead retained it's previous unblockabe hit such as BRC back into slidehead from a meaty c.S. [super slow hammerfall and hammerfall break? Seriously, its so easy to tap 5p twice to stop it. Not to mention a lot of characters having a 2hit normal move that beats it (ex. Jack-O and Faust] I can't possibly see how you think hammerfall is slow unless we are talking about the approach from full screen, but from mid screen and up close the speed of Hammerfall is by no means "slow". While hammerfall break is slow, It is to be used as a tool to recover quickly from normal with slow recovery like 6h, and 2h. Not to mention, It also has the usage of kara cancelling Break into Giganter Kai that can be utilized during neutral or combos. I have also tested out your claim to tap 5p twice, I chose Sol as a main example of this test, It wasn't reliably landing most of the time without trading. maybe this is a character specific type of deal but I imagine that most players wouldn't turn to this strat since there is the option of punishing It on block. The point on multiple hitting moves is fair but can only go so far since you leave yourself open to his other moves in his kit (Slidehead, Giganter Kai, Mega Fist, etc) To summarize this long winded response, I feel that he has the tools needed to handle many situations. Not all(eyeing HC), but many. The strengths that he does have like his damage (Pot buster, Combos, HPB, Giganter Kai, etc), anti-zoning( Flick, Slide head), mix-ups (meaty Garuda from knockdown, blocked Heat Knuckle into Strike/throw) I find to be good. Sometimes great when you start to look at his Kara cancel moves and combos. The high level stuff like Kara cancelling isn't a must unless you're a pro. In casual play all you need with Pot is decent fundamentals and reads and you can easilly take games. Also I recommend you watch some high level Potemkin players like FAB or Snake Eyes play him. It's a marvel to see the highest potential for Potemkin to be played. Thanks for reading to my TED talk.

@@MrUnc [ Forward megafist -2 on hit ] - it doesn't rarely come into play because if the player actually dashes to you (which a lot of ppl do in this super aggressive game) and you land a megafist on them, that means they can punish you. Not to mention that if you HIT them with Megafist's optimal range, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR TURN. Its not a fast move too since its 25 frames. For reference, charged dust is 26f. It's a bad move. [ 8f 2p ] - how can an 8f move be a good scramble button? Do you press c.S to scramble? No right? why? because its not fast enough to interrupt fake strings. For reference, Pot's c.S is also 8f, or Sol has 7f. That's why you don't press Slash on scrambles. Again, why would you press an 8f to scramble? [ Blockable Heatknuckle ] - You basically agreed that you have to guess again after a proper guess once. Yes its a strong mix up, but here's the thing about guessing. Pot guessed you correctly once with the heatknuckle, which means Pot had to risk once to get his reward, no rewards on the first correct guess, but there was a real risk of a C.H. close range because decent Pots kara heatknuckle all the time. Now I landed on you once, and I have to guess again, which means I have to risk something again, but this time, a wrong guess is a C.H. on close range AGAIN. The opponent has 2 chances to escape and kill him, meanwhile the potemkin player has to be correct TWICE to get his damage. If he gets one wrong, even if he got it once correct, he's the one who's gonna die. [ slow normals not leading to anything ] - you said it yourself, they are just pokes that don't lead to anything unless its C.H. 5S will throw you back if you get hit, 2H isnt a poke, 5H and 6H doesnt lead into anything unless its C.H. If you actually played Pot, you would know that using these pokes are not reaction based, its all pre-emptive buttons. And one wrong pre-emptive press means a punish from half screen. But don't take my word for it, I quoted that from Snake Eyez. and a C.H. converting to something big isn't a pot special. Everybody has it. But most cahracters can do something when they hit you normally. Pot's buttons doesn't. Not to mention how slow and specific his buttons are. [ 5p loses on crouchers ] - no its not a quick and fast way to anti air, Pot is so big it usually loses to most buttons. Unless its preemptive. Again, not a good button. So if 5p doesnt stop people from running at you, what then? Yes, 2p or the bigger, slower normals, which I've stated above are all PRE EMPTIVE BUTTONS. And no, if you crouch on f.S, it whiffs. [ no horizontal range for 6p ] - everyone has an upperbody invincibility on their 6p, as an anti-air, the whole cast's 6p works perfectly. Some more than others, like testament. But a lot of them can also use that upperbody invincibility for grounded neutrals because of their horizontal range, which leads to more options. Pot doesnt have it. Not to mention, having no horizontal range makes it less effective on some ACTUAL AIR ATTACKS like GoldLewis' j.D. [ slide head super slow and blockable ] - I'm talking about the armor lasting in the whole move. Because it only last when he's whole body is upwards, and when he's going down and you hit him, its a C.H. With Pot being his biggest on strive, it can happen while someone is in the air, or even in half screen. An automatic oki on halfsceen with Pot, having no defensive capabilities is a death sentence to him. So why is a really slow and really reactable, punishable on half screen move that is blockable good? And of course, reactions vary, but I'm jsut talking about average Celestial players here. You don't have to be a pro or an insanely good player to react and punish it, Slidehead is 29f. That's like saying a charged dust is unreactable. [ slow hammerfall and break ] - you tried it and it traded? I'm using Pot and I REACT to hammerfall all the time with 5p. If the Pot hammerfalls in me far away, I can react with a potbuster. I don't know which floor you play in, but average Celestial players I play with actually go beyond and grab hammerfall when they see it. Mashing 5p is the easiest. But Faust and other two button normal characters can jsut press one button to stop it. I think you should try again and see how insanely easy it is to stop it. I know, because I do it all the time. Just so you know, I watch Snake Eyez all the time and learned a lot from him. Including these complains because he was the one who actually said most of these things and us, his potemkin learners there, discovered it slowly as we play while he already knew this all from the beginning. That's why he hated strive (but loves Potemkin). Potemkin is good in lower floors, but even on average Celestial players, he's weaknesses starts to show. You don't even have to be a pro to see it. Well, pros actually say Pot is bottom 1 anyway but I'm I'm tackling this as a normal player, and as a normal player Pot is bottom 1. I don't get why you think he's good at all. Understandable if you think he's not the weakest, but GOOD? That's why I asked and tackled this.

All fair points. Despite the weaknesses he displays, he has enough strengths for me to say he's for me to say he's good enough. And That's really It.

sansman pallete?

I played this game on Steam. He doesn't have It at all on any version.

@@MrUnc psx is what ia call the missing link so yeah i get ya

No twitch but I do stream on RU-vid on weekdays.

@@MrUnc cool, thanks

Game development wasn't a million dollar project back in those days. Companies would need to over invest heavily like ET for the Atari to sink after a one game. It's also the fact that Daisuke was very, very passionately invested in the franchise despite the games all selling like garbage to keep on going.

@@HellecticMojo my man, good games existed back then too even with the budgets they had at the time. This game is straight garbage though, no sane publisher would greenlight a sequel and the team were lucky to be talking to whatever wacko they were to get another shot.

@@shaynehughes6645 which were the exception to the norm. I'm really not sure why you are so flabbergasted about this game when street fighter 1 got a sequel.

Salty you got pot bustered 3 times in a round?

Salty you got megafisted 20 times in a round?

No, i just believe grapplers a should be treated as second class citizens

@@cuecrunch what are you, a may main?

​ skill issue stop complaining and learn the mu

That's just the accent core version. +r removed those.