'Potential Environmental Nuclear Bomb': The Disappearing Salt Lake 

Yeah, it's basically a foregone conclusion. If the state hasn't even begun to restrict agriculture this late in the game, it wouldn't matter if they started in earnest right now: the lawsuits and the lobbyists would mire efforts until well past 2030

Tells me they’re lying.

@@Joe-bh4vz who is lying?

@@gobblox38, they

@@Joe-bh4vz we are "they."

Deep

I’ve always believed the next world conflicts won’t be over oil and gas, but water and fish.

We are already screwed, it's just that no one (especially the people who denied it was happening and now want people to forget they did) wants to admit it. We've fundamentally accelerated a process that we literally cannot stop, and there's a snowball effect, except the snowball is melting as it gets larger.

You do realize that The Great Salt Lake used to be 20,000sq mi at the end of the last Ice Age and has been drying up ever since right?

@@deutscherfischer55 there’s a lot of that within the greater debate on our impact on things, but we most certainly had a hand in speeding it up that’s for sure lol

@@deutscherfischer55 sure keep avoid taking responsibilities. I’ll just sit back and watch these GOP denialists and ultra Christians liars suffer.

@@didybopintitys The statistical facts that have been proven, show that humans have little too no effect.... So... Not sure what you are on about.... lol....

@@didybopintitys Please tell which civilized Population Melted our last Ice Age? Which oil companies? It’s called NATURE! Yes, we should not Pollute our Planet! We should have clean air unlike China and India. This global “warming” scam is what it is! A scam for a few elites to make themselves Wealthy like John Kerry, Al Gore. IF they believe the oceans will rise, Why are they dropping $20-$30 million dollars on Ocean Front Mansions? Why Are THEY Consuming and polluting The Most?! Ask yourself these questions. If you really believed the ocean would rise, would you build your dream home on the very same oceanfront? Put your hard work and sweat into that property OR would you build your home as far away from the ocean? C’on man! THINK For yourself. The climate Does Change! It has to do with the moon 🌙 and God knows what else. We see what a full moon does to the tides. Gravitational Pull: Nature IS Amazing. Stay Safe out there with all the UFOs/ UAP Flying around! 😊

Oh yeah! They grow the food that my food eats.

@@Spiral.Dynamics spoken like a true big alfalfaian.

Wouldn’t that alfalfa feed livestock that we would end up eating later on down the line?

@@Spiral.Dynamics Your food is extremely water intensive. You can get protein for cheaper LOL

Farmers being scapegoats once again and not a word about the 1054 nuclear tests conducted from 1945 to 1992...

The Soviets found out the hard way when they decided to grow cotton in the desert. Look up the Aral sea disaster. What remains of the sea today is a toxic hell-hole and everything around it is toxic. Utah is pretty much repeating the same mistake that the Soviets did. Unless drastic changes are made, agriculture around Salt Lake City will collapse and SLC will suffer as well.

Probably most important.

And this is one of the most significant reasons - besides the overall change in climate that will never stop - they should be actually sounding the alarms right the eff now. Humans... Same with Phoenix, same with Vegas, same with parts of California. We are well past the curve.

Right?! It's like a positive or reinforcing feedback loop....the most devastating effects of climate change regarding how it affects people, usually seems to be this type of, "because this was worse this year, it makes this happen less each year and because that happened it means that the thing that would usually replenish the first part of the cycle, doesn't happen as much as it did the previous year...." and on and on it goes.

I'm expecting no solution because America is great. I'm watching this while trying to think why nothing is being done & just as important, what we have left that can be saved. It's almost as if we should pack up & move. After everything dries up & after other area's flood where is it liveable?

Why are they farming in Utah in the first place? Isnt it one of the driest states in the US?

@@user-pd9ju5dk5s Good question, there are farms all along Utah lake and all over the state. And yes it is.

Thank you, I was sure I was the only one that would make this comment. I know people will say they've had cattle through many generations, and there are a lot of very big farms who graze for free on federal land and it seems to foster entitlement. We can't afford to keep all those cattle, and I say that as someone who can't afford to buy meat more than once or twice a month. I'm becoming a piscatarian out of financial hardship. Canned tuna and the occasional tilapia fillet are nothing to look forward to, month in and month out.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat with ya I'm 37, born and raised here. It's crazy how bad things are now.

They are actually keeping gates open and allowing it to run to the ocean. Ask anyone who works at a dam.

Do you remember when you'd round the point of the mountain by the old prison and Lehi and everything was literally just a giant field with no buildings or houses in sight besides Thanksgiving point and how big of a deal it was when they built the cabelas? The good old days...

@Sullivan Locke unfortunately I do remember. I used to kinda laugh when I was young, and my parents would say how much it'd changed back then. Now I understand, except it's substantially worse these days.

too late

Also the alfalfa farmers use insane amounts of water to export abroad

@@BF... Don't you get it? A single cup of walnuts takes 10 GALLONS of water to grow. An acre of agriculture is far more water usage than an acre of urban development.

@@scottanno8861 But neither the agriculture nor the urban development is really appropriate in a desert.

@@scottanno8861why is nobody talking about the absurd amount of golf courses in the salt lake valley?

The thing is, the only reason water isn't reaching the lake is because humans are using it. Everywhere is running short on water.

It's a Salt Lake ... It's been drying up for millions of years ... then you come along and live beside it and then cry about it drying up. It's ridiculous Try living somewhere that isn't a desert

@@d.w.8100 oxymoron.

WHAT ABOUT THE NORDSTREAM PIPELINE THAT WAS BLOWN UP BY THE USA!??!!

@@iRiShNFT sure it might've been drying up but nowhere near the pace it is now

Same. It’s so damn important we act on this. And this is the first step.

Its inevitable, climate change will not stop no matter what humans do. Its what meant to happen, its natural..

Yup. I've been ridiculed ever since. I really wish I was wrong 'back in the day'.

When I was a little kid I had a geography book that talked about desertification of the Western US. It's proven entirely true.

I remember you remember that!

The entire southwest is a giant desert for million years and will be always a desert but we bend the nature to our will. It can go only so far before snapping. We are witnessing that.

Places like LA, Vegas and Phoenix were built in deserts, with no available water, even for small populations. Yet they grew enormous stealing water that should have been elsewhere. As long as that'a allowed to go on, things will get worse.

@@joeyj6808I mean LA will be there regardless the rest of those cities inside the next 10 years will go into collapse.

I think agriculture has a bigger priority over recreation and urban sprawl. Farms are being bought up for urbanization which is slowly but surely pushing agriculture into less sustainable and adequate regions

Then they will give it up

@@joeyj6808 Vegas actually does a good job recycling the water they use, and out of all the cities in the Southwest they’re the most water-efficient.

All the poor liberals moved there from California. Was expected..

It's a good thing Utah is a safe Republican state who vote for Republicans who have shown time and again that they deny any climate changes and generally ignore all environmental actions.

The lake has been drying for thousands of years it's a dryed up puddle of what lake Bonneville was

Honestly can’t argue with that, but the idea is that it’s drying up at an unhealthy rate because of poor management.

@@alexs1640 it’s a party based on facts and data not emotions. Now that it’s no longer an emotional speculation they’re dumping millions into the problem.

@@Cheesusrice69222 ah the age old "climate is always changing and humans have no effect on the environment" argument. Only god can affect nature right?

Everything on this planet is actually finite quantity, even the air we breathe is finite, if we pollute it, we will eventually lose the use of the atmosphere to breathe, as well. Water, and air are needed for carbon based lifeforms, remove these from the equation, spells the end of human life and all life on this planet, right down to the bacteria.

Keep voting red.

@@talkingthetalk3640 what does that have to do with anything he said

you still have a few years left to get a death in

@@yourfavoritemartian224 early 00's had the bush admin + oil lobbyists republicans are the ones who roll back epa regulations

You do know humans can't stop evaporation right

@@LordLorenzo834 Yes but we can stop reckless agriculture and urban sprawl.

@@LordLorenzo834 brother this is not about evaporation

Have's and Have not's is pretty core to modern republican ideology.

@Guitarhaus doesntknowwhatacommunistis no no it's not that would be modern democrats

@@kirkmoody6109 It absolutely is kid.

@@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285 no it's not child

@@kirkmoody6109 yeah it is kid.

And you can get labeled a terrorist. Nice country, eh?

Cool story, bro.

wont joseph smith save the day?

its one thing to raise alarm but what are the countermeasures to field if you are faced with this problem?

And they were probably calling you alarmist back then as well. So sad thank you for fighting the good fight

The Salton Sea was man-made, effectively. The lake that was there in the past dried up in the 1500s and the Colorado River was redirected for irrigation in the early 1900s, filling the dry lake basin now known as the Salton Sea. The name for this prehistoric lake is Lake Cahuilla. Not a very adept comparison, but nonetheless indicative of mankind's terraforming desires.

Owen’s Lake….

rules for thee not for me

Always remember when they talk about lowering the carbon footprint, or making "sacrafices". It's you. You're the carbon footprint they have to "sacrifice".

All that doesn’t even compare to the amount of water agriculture uses to grow alfalfa that usually ends up being sold to foreign countries such as Saudi Arabia to feed their cattle

tHeY

@@kegsofvomitspit thank you for your meaningful contribution to this conversation.

And likely much worse is still yet to come, globally. We haven't really made any progress with climate change except to slow down how rapidly things decline.

Hahahaha

and that's exactly the mentality that leads to this kind of thing..

This like Russia's version of that one lake.

Years of inaction. Hate to say this but you, your parents, and your parents parents are responsible for this. All of our bad decisions have led us here. Now we will have to wallow in this. If we were smart, we’d leave the desert alone. It’s something we shouldn’t be trying to conquer. We should be chipping the edges away with greenery in hopes that this will spread and eventually make these places thrive again.

Good work brother keep it pushin! We need more ppl like yourself

It'll come back when your great grandkids are old. It always does. This is a natural 150 year cycle.

:)

@@KB-ke3fi His great grandkids will be busy knifing each other for the last bottle of drinking water.

​@@KB-ke3fi While it has been drying up for 30,000 years it's never been completely dry.

@@steviewonderisnotblind5833you gotta look on the bright side of life sometimes and not be so cynical

Cool story, bro.

@@leonardosantuario3346are u really this sad

@@sampoche9309 on the contrary, I'm pretty happy 😊

@@leonardosantuario3346 Cool story Bro.

No need to thank them Utah. They make their living scaring people into clicking their videos. Fossil fuels also didn't cause the last ice age so I'm not sure why they're telling us the next one is. What does "bringing attention" to this actually do to fix anything but make these guys money anyway? I can tell you first hand, many people have been sounding the alarm about this and many other atrocities committed against us and our planet since at least the early 70's when I was an activist. We got rid of hair spray for one. (For the 70's big hair era, that was a huge deal!) Gas prices went up then too but we also had to sit in miles long lines on alternate Tuesdays to fill our tanks. We used to bring frisbees and footballs to the gas station and throw the ball around with other customers while we waited. The Ozone layer must be gone by now but I haven't heard another word about it since it made the news way back then, but it did make a bunch of people rich scaring us about it. What actually got done? Companies moved to China and our air quality got better but, it killed our economy too. Today, the Ozone is still on it's own. No money in it. There's nothing you or I can do about global warming, only complain and point fingers. It's my guess that it's part of the reason why all the super rich are building rockets. They're running out of ways to make money. Very little resources left to steal and make profits off any more. We little people aren't the ones destroying the planet but we're the ones being held accountable. Just follow the money if you want to know where we should be concentrating our efforts. Also, DNR and VICE using words like "Nuclear bomb" is just irresponsible. Like this stuff isn't bad enough, they need to add Nuclear Bomb to the title. "Scared" sells now more than ever. Something had to replace "sex sells" now that we don't have any idea what that is any more. Everything is about making money and not caring about what we do to each other to get it. We need to hold these reporters more accountable. That's something we CAN do something about now. Don't feed these trolls. Make them do something honest to earn it. The more we allow these people to do this, the more that will do it.

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Sounds like Mike lee

Going to be seeing a lot of lakes and interior seas being depleted to nothing through mismanagement and lack of conservation. Take notice of Lake Mead, Nevada which is used for water and electric generation by Nevada, The Great Salt Lake for water by Utah, The Canadian and American Great Lakes System for water by both USA and Canadian border cities.

@The Ethicist Philosophy Show: Exactly that! And pointing towards the Russians while 'we' are creating the same disaster!

@@DavidHalverson this why i dont want western states touching my great lakes. Off limits other than states who live by them. Oh and canada of course.

And once the water runs out, so will their influence, leaving a wake of destruction in their absence. That whole bible verse (and I'm not religious) where it says the meek shall inherit the earth, used to sound so hopeful, but if nothing changes all the meek will inherit will be a wasteland.

@@GrapeSoda672 oh puke, i can not deal with this religious delusional garbage.

@@GrapeSoda672 Another religious terrorist rotting for the end of days...

It will give folks the excuse to migrate to MO just like ole Joe Smith said.

Ranchers and Mormons

This is a very important point!

Also the Salton sea in Ca

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this is Vice, they don’t do research anymore, it’s just shock value.

@@poolhall9632 it's called awareness. Maybe you don't, but plenty of people who see stuff like this do their own research and come to find information likely not given in the news piece. It's still raising awareness for what is happening in Utah. The more eyes, the more likely things change

Research papers never hit well in the news

Agreed, it's misleading to just have a few people go oh well people say a lot of water is used by farmers when even a casual search for data shows that 70-80% of water is being used for agricultural irrigation and has been for some time. What gives Vice?

Which natives? The first ones, the last ones, or the ones in between?

@Eric Law not the current ones; the ones who clearly didn't claim it first.

GOP state. What’s ya expect?

Dont worry the american healthcare system will take care of you when the toxic dust starts affecting your lungs

Is it because of the excessive use of the lake? They are pulling everything out of it, of course it will die

@@eliseeden Pretty much this; Utah is a deeply republican and mormon state so you have this insane one two punch of a complete disregard for environmental sustainability and *also* the assumption that god will fix it if you just pray hard enough.

You are taking massive action, by voting in the politicians owned by the corporations. You keep voting against yours own interests.

You’re 100% correct. Nature never meant for the Great Salt Lake to be something that is permanent. Like you said, that is made very clear by the geological history of the Salt Lake Valley. These lakes are born, and then they disappear naturally. The geological history of the valley also makes it very clear that the climate of the valley has radically changed over time naturally long before mankind ever lived in the valley.

People used it too much. Now it's drying up.

@@castlekingside76 mixed with the rain from the east not reaching as far east and the rain from the west being stopped by the rocky mountains.

WHO CAREs

@@lordjaraxxus5418I’m pretty sure the Sierra Nevada mountains are the ones you’re referring to.

@@castlekingside76 Global warming onset by mass pollution and industry is the biggest contributor though.

According to the Utah Rivers Council, 85 percent of the Great Salt Lake's watershed is used for agriculture, 7.5 percent for industrial, and 7.5 percent for residential What you feel and the reality are different.

@@spider0804 I’m not saying agriculture doesn’t use the most, I’m saying it farmers haven’t increased their usage or changed anything, and they were doing fine for 100 years. I’m also saying the laying was full in 1984 at least. Warmer temperatures, more water being utilized for evaporation ponds (I’m not sure if that is taken into account for industrial). So what exactly changed? What drove the change that the lake is being lowered now and it hasn’t in the last 100 years?

The sad part is no-one cares what you have to say... Having family in Tooele and learning too about water rights, no one wants to spend the time to learn about the history of water management or conservation. Low hanging fruit to say it's the farmers fault. Growth / population in the West has been the largest impact on water and it's loss. But thank you for saying it, some appreciate it.

@Carson Davis you can say all that but 85% is 85%

@@spider0804 cool story, you have no definitive proof if we stopped pulling water from rivers, that it would make a change. The water table on the wasatch front is like 6 ft down and any extra water that isn’t used by plants goes through groundwater right to the lake.

They won't care until they have to move.

Most people don't care about anything until it affects them ,unfortunately most of the population is like this.

COVID wasn't strong enough

Keep voting red. Conservative policies have been doing a great job protecting your lake.😆

@@Freshadventures_ Most of humanity is like this. It's like our defining characteristic.

Sadly The great lakes will you turn into development areas for investors...

We live in a civilization that can split the atom, put a man on the Moon, and put a computer in everyone's home, yet you want me to believe that this same civilization can't find a cost effective way to desalinate ocean water ??? Bull $hit !!! Water is Power. Not just Water Power but Social and Political Power too. The Elites know that if we started to desalinate ocean water they would lose a lot of Social and Political Power over the 99% of the rest of Humanity. The 1% have a way to control the 99% by controlling what fresh water is now available.

Funny how bodies of water are drying up in the deserts. Because nobody could do the math on that.

Nothing is more important than water. Def subbed. Check out Andrew Molison's coverage on 'the india water cup'. There are real solutions to these problems

@@Quantum- those lakes and rivers have done just fine for thousands of years now all of a sudden they're drying up at the same time as large man made co2 production. do the maths on that

@@kyleelward5445 volcanoes produce more toxic and greenhouse gasses than man could ever put out. And that water did fine when it was undisturbed. Humans started consuming that water for their own purposes, what did they think would happen? Global warming is a sham. It's called climate. The earth does this all by itself. It would get hotter even if we were still carving rocks with hand tools.

@@kyleelward5445 where were the cars and factories when the Nile stopped flooding for the ancient Egyptians and the desert spread into their oasis? That whole area used to be jungle before it turned into a sea of sand. And that all happened before modern CO2 production.

Amazing how we never learn isn't it? We use words like "shocked" and "amazed" like we have had our eyes closed this whole time

@@phole1100 ⭕️

The only difference is that they weren't using any fossil fuels compare to modern times. Maybe they were affect by the 'Great Flood' that happened in every culture? 13th century BC?

I guess the climate changed for the Anasazi from all those buffalo and horse farts, not SUVs.

@@byrnc927 Obviously we're talking about different scales and capabilities, and different causes for different things.

F!!k lawns. Xeriscape ought to be mandatory in states with water problems. It would be better for native insects to have native plants.

It's okay. Don't believe in karma.

I KNOW, ITS FUCKING CRAZY I live just north of SLC and this stupid church a few streets over has an enormous, 3+ acre, beautiful green field. Guess what they do with it. ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING.

there are 130 golf courses in Palm Springs area using Colo. River water.

It will give folks the excuse to migrate to MO just like ole Joe Smith said.

+cancer

Now with 100 years of agricultural pesticides mixed in! Fun times

we can fast, too! /s

maybe thinking about sustainability & taking care of the enviroment, rather then messing up the land & then praying to an imaginary skywizard to change it back to rapeable nature, to do it again 🙄

Only if you're wearing your magic underwear.

Well y’all are def fucked

Prophet Nelson is working it out right now with clean shaven Jesus and Joseph S. No Worries 🌈

I was told as a kid drought and flooding comes around like a cycle but just what a wise old man told me as a kid

it's just called City, Utah

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Gorgeous.

Or just "City"

Ghost city

Yea, just nuts that a desert would dry up!?

That is literally america bro, letting the problem boil over then crying about how we need to fix it. Americans are not proactive they’re reactionary and will continue to be until the country implodes on itself for being so

Personally I can't think of anything wrong with that model 🤣🤣

@@kiwidiesel It’s given us the planet we have now and the bleak future we are facing. And nobody will even discuss it.

The main problem is trying to have too much agriculture in a semi-desert environment. 75% of water usage there is agriculture.

@@grmpEqweer The main problem is the same one everywhere. Too many people. What do you think causes climate change? Or drives agriculture or development like roads, oil and gas use and on and on. We can dance around the issue all day forever, but in the end human over population causes all these issues. The US has added >110 million people in the last 40 years. The country didn’t get a sf bigger or get any more resources. Just the opposite in fact. If we had a population policy that encouraged a steady state population (like virtually all other species) would our energy, pollution, climate change, open space, housing crises etc be better or worse?

@@at1970 We native-born aren't reproducing enough to hold replacement value. These people are immigrating here, my friend. Which means they would exist somewhere on the planet if not here. ...The best way to voluntarily lower birthrates: -Women's rights -Freely available birth control -compulsory child education -child labor mostly illegal. -basic healthcare, including vaccines. I note the USA, my country, is backsliding on this. Compulsory child education means that parents can't have kids to work full-time and make money; children are liabilities. If basic healthcare is accessible, children will live to adulthood. If women then have birth control, they will average two kids. Are you proposing some sort of genocide to save the planet? If so, the Western world sucks down far more resources and puts far more CO2 in the atmosphere than the rest of the world. So we should go first on that.

No snow most like ans support global warming

@@jussikankinen9409 what

This is not true. Only 30-40 inches of Altas annual 547” come from lake effect or about 6-7%.

@@msmyankees sure it is

There's been three waves of Californians moving to Utah...90s, mid2000s (like you mentioned), and over the last few years.

Yeah if you listen to the cotton farmers/lobby there's no issue and that water wasn't going to be used anywhere else anyway...

The solution is clearly to bring capitalism to the asteroid belt! [/sarcasm]

Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are the primary parties involved there

@@casmatt99 In the early 1960s,[27] as part of the Soviet government plan for cotton, or "white gold", to become a major export, the Amu Darya river in the south and the Syr Darya river in the east were diverted from feeding the Aral Sea to irrigate the desert in an attempt to grow cotton, melons, rice and cereals.

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Until there is nowhere to go, to which humanity is doomed.

Wouldn't say killing, environment gonna hit back eventually. Nature has a way of shifting into equilibrium and it doesn't care how much time we have to prepare for the blow. That's why I don't worry about any of this sht, we as humans actually think we are powerful..we believe it, and yet nature can make all of this stop for us quicker than we can even begin to prepare for it.

Das crazy. Pass the Doritos

That's capitalism baby! Everyone is just trying to make enough money so THEY don't have to really pay the price of capitalism, and not realizing if we band together it'll be cheaper and better for all but the 1%.

Fresh water lakes are decreasing but only in certain places, while oceans rise but only in certain places. Makes you think.