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It would be awesome if they can add an attribute enhance System to a fighting game like a GEM for super jump, Fast Dash, fast recovery, etc. Anything that doesn't changes the frame Data of strike moves
I know I'm a casual player, but I think one of my favorite fighting games ever was Soul Caliber 3. It had a whole other game in it where you could build an army for campaigns almost like a Fire Emblem. It feels like new fighting games never have fun stuff like that anymore. It would be cool if you did a podcast talking about the best features, side content, etc you've seen in fighting games.
@@TheNeoLoneWolf funny enough, the next episode of TKO seems to be focused on single-player content. but VesperArcade recently posted a video that also nails what you're talking about. it's called "WHY AREN'T FIGHTING GAMES FUN? How To Grow Our Player Base" -- I'd recommend watching it, as it has a lot of great ideas that draw from older fighters w/those fun modes.
Justin is really starting to shine on the podcast, love to see it! His and Matt's sponsored section was easily the best advertising I've ever seen in any media given how authentic and light hearted it felt. Already adored Max and Matt's work, now Justin is definetely up there in regards to fighting game community creators. Best episode so far, please keep 'em coming! As a side note, if you ever consider guests for this podcast, perhaps jmcrofts? Liked his videos with Justin, would be cool to see him interacting with the rest of the cast.
Rage Of the Dragons actually has a fun little story relating to King Of Fighters. What happened was Brezzasoft, which was essentially SNK after OG SNK went bankrupt, approached mexican studio Evoga to make a fighting game, namely Rage Of The Dragons, and while there the people of Brezzasoft challenged Evoga to a match of KOF98. Should Brezzasoft win, they get to design a character for Rage Of The Dragons and Evoga had to pay them $5000, should Evoga win they get to request a character for KOF 2001. What resulted was basically Evoga kicking Brezzasofts ass and Evoga then going "we want a hot mexican girl fighter with big tiddies." And that's how Angel came to be.
I remember when Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid was considered poverty. It has grown so much since its initial release that I don't know if it still counts as such.
I played BftG on release for quite a while and that game was NEVER considered poverty. Niche? Maybe. A cheaper MvC? Sure. Poverty? No, I disagree with you 1000%
I can't believe Max forgot about Fight of Gods or Fight of Animals. Those are great examples of modern poverty fighting games. Jank as hell, but sick as fuck!
Easily your best episode. You guys are really hitting your stride. The chemistry among the three of you was really palpable here and the nature of the topic allowed for great conversation. It would be cool to see an episode discussing your memories of arcades growing up. You touched on it a little bit here, but it would be really fun to hear you deviate a little from fighting games to talk about the general arcade experience and playing those “top floor” games.
Its not Mugen, its another engine that the creator Kamekaze specialized into because he said its better than Mugen. TMNT x Justice League its like the King of Poverty Games, its freaking amazing. I also downloaded Sailor Moon S but theres a fan made version wich adds secret characters, more modes and rebalancing and I put it into my snes mini , amazing stuff . I also want to salute master Wong lol.
After hearing Melty Blood being mentioned, I thought of Arcana Heart, a buddy of mine is obsessed with it but it strikes me as a very poverty type fighting game...
Arcana Heart is basically the DOA of anime fighters afaik The game is fun as hell and has a lot of depth, but you'll have to fight to beat the allegations
I went to Chinatown Fair once in 2010 and played on the very same Rumble Fish 2 cab Justin mentioned. I'm happy that he was responsible for that game being there in the first place.
Saw rumble fish 2 for the 1st time at a Pennsylvania con called Too many games. I played it for 10 minutes and didn't understand anything, but am VERY excited to go back and try it for another 10 mins next year!
@MattMcMuscles thank you for introducing me to Dino Rex!!!! This is so wild to see early 90s Taito throwing out all their stops to make a B-movie dinosaur fighter. Why did they layer such a deep plot into this?? Why are the Bonus Stages more fun than the actual matches? This is so wild. Loved the episode! Thanks for the Skullgirls shout out lol Proud to have SG on a similar standing to Melty as poverty kings 🥰
Very surprised to not hear Tattoo Assassins from you guys! My buddies and I used to have bad fighting game tournaments that included Bloodstorm, Time Killers, Survival Arts, etc. and Tattoo Assassins used to be the final game. Such a bad, janky, fun game!
I'm hoping that one of the future episodes of TKO will be about fighters for the Sega Saturn and NeoGeo that either don't know about or are exclusive to Japan. Like Waku Waku 7, Galaxy Fight, Sonic Council, Groove On Fight, Astra Superstars etc. There are so many fighters for the two systems that a lot of people don't know and I'd love to see if the three boys know anything about them
Mentioned but my favourite has got to be Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire, remember seeing the digitised sprites for the 1st time and thinking it was a what if Jackie Chan was in MK. As for modern games considered poverty fighters I would go to Fight of Gods and Nick All-Star Brawl.
Would Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring count as poverty? I remember trying my damnedest to get my friends to play on PS1 purely because I thought Cloud and the other FF7 characters being there was the coolest thing ever haha
I would second this! I played it late like 10+ years after, bc I was trying to catch up on PS1 Final Fantasies and Ehrgeiz caught my eye and I was like wow damn ok nevermind 😂 Dissidia came such a long way in comparison!
I'm glad Battle Monsters got a mention. Also I like Battle Arena Toshinden. I only first played it 10 or so years ago and, yes, it's super slow and janky... but fun. I loved Duke's Southern Cross partially due to how slow it was... and the full version... can that even fully hit anyone? And I agree, has some great music. As for my favorite Poverty games... Battle Monsters and Asuka 120%. Skullgirls was also mentioned but I don't consider it poverty enough.
My absolute No1 fave 'poverty fighting game' series is Tobal. I was one of the few, locally, who'd heard of it and, simply put, I really enjoyed it. Then of course we have (imo) the incredible Tobal 2 with the quest mode, grapple system, innovative use of HML attacks per button, wild combo system, costume colour customisation (RGB sliders per garment), incredible soundtrack, beautiful full 3D visuals that smashed along at 60fps and, for me, created the concept of full 3D combat movement with up/down leading to the foreground/background respectively (was Soul Calibur the next game to use this? Certainly Tekken and VF didn't adopt it until the 4 iterations of each series). *Sigh* one of the greatest 3D fighters that just never was unfortunately. Now, lemme just grab my LCD laptop real quick and stoke the fire barrel...
I remember owning Tao Feng: Fist Of The Lotus, the Genesis version of TMNT: Tournament Fighters (which I thought was trash compared to the SNES version), the Power Ranger SNES fighting game, KI1 & KI Gold. A few of my cousins had Virtua Fighter 1, Tekken 3, & even Primal Rage. Man, those were the days for me in terms of this topic. I kinda regret giving away Tao Feng back then. I'm still looking for a good copy to this day.
Roughly 15 years ago? I always thought poverty fighting games meant we couldn't afford to buy games for various reasons and so we'd pirate Comiket fighting games to play. Main examples being EFZ, MBR, BBB, IaMP, SWR, Akatsuki Blitzkampf, and CRUCIS FATAL+FAKE to name a few. And some genius coders would write up some netplay executables just so we could versus online, such as mbcaster--which was derived from IaMP's caster. If you know all the games I abbreviated, then kudos. MB series eventually exploded to have MBAC on PS2, arcades, and a PC port (2007) that wasn't just sold at Comiket. Akatsuki Blitzkampf somehow managed to get an arcade port. mbcaster was for Melty Blood Act Cadenza PC port IaMP's caster had rollback netcode added some time after mbcaster's creation EFZ - Eternal Fighter Zero MBR - Melty Blood Re-ACT BBB - Big Bang Beat IaMP - Immaterial and Missing Power SWR - Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
phantom breaker omnia is a great example of a poverty fighting game that's come out recently it's trashy there's weird obscure mechanics the characters are dumb fun to mess with just a shame about the terrible online play.
I'm so happy they brought up Melty Blood towards the end lol. I literally joined in the countdown and totally wasn't expecting us to be on the same wave length.
One that I enjoy that I don't know counts as a poverty game is Yatagarasu: Attack on Cataclysm. It's pretty interesting because it takes some cool stuff like Third Strike-style parries and a mix of kind of KOF/SNK style gameplay and older Capcom gameplay. Also, Max is featured in that game as a selectable commentator in that game. Also, I have a lot of nostalgia for the old X-Men Mutant Academy and Next Dimension games.
Time Killers and Eternal Champions were probably my 2 favorite poverty games growing up. Time Killers is probably number 1 and I literally NEVER hear anyone mention it. That game was fun as hell lol.
I literally came here to mention both of these. I had a Sega CD growing up and my Dad was really annoyed at me for not getting the Star Wars game for my birthday instead of Eternal Champions as game of choice. I played so much of that game for the next six months along with Sewer Shark. Time Killers was the second fighting game I ever played (Karate Champ was first). I went to one of those Go Kart/Pool Hall/Arcade places from the early 90's and that game has a special place in my heart even though it took the very little cash I had super fast.
My personal poverty FG is Gundam Battle Assault 2. I just have one other friend who loves that game. I also like playing SVC Chaos and Neo Geo Battle Coliseum. Also I don’t know if it’s poverty, but I love Project Justice and I constantly boot it up whenever I play Dreamcast.
They met because they were both contracted to make the same game without knowledge of the other version. Their booths were right next to each other at an industry event; I don't remember if it was E3 or CES.
27:59 I love Rage of the Dragons. If there is one thing from that game that should be imported to modern KOFs, it's that they had both the neutral dodge from KOFs 94/95 as 5AB and the roll from 96 onward as 4AB or 6AB.
One of my favorite poverty fighting games is King of Fighters 2006/ Maximum Impact 2. That game is so broken and janky and had a lot of content. Just get a few friends with some snacks and it was good time even if it wasn't up the standards of the main series.
I loved that game and I don’t think it’s too broken, but the flying characters definitely have an easier time than the non-flyers. I loved the weirdos in that game that you’d never see these days.
One of my dreams is to run a tournament of all the “poverty” fighting games I own. Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 1, Castlevania Judgment, Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (vanilla, Ignition has a scene), Godzilla Unleashed, JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle, Kill la Kill IF, Sonic the Fighters, and the main stage event, Arm Joe.
Eternal Champions was my childhood fighting game, and to this day, I consider Xavier to be one of the coolest characters I've ever encountered in a fighting game.
I'm really surprised no one mentioned Fight of Gods and Fight of Animals, those games are true jank poverty gems. Thank you guys for putting out bangers over and over, see you in the basement for the Dong Dong nationals
Almost makes too much sense. Sailor Moon Crystal was a thing not too long ago. You'd think they'd make a game just to ride that wave of relevance. However they should go with the Classic Anime style charm for the gane.
I wished you guys had talked about the rage of the dragons development history because snk lost a bet against the devs of that game, which lead to Angel's creation
Great and interesting topic! I'm with Justin, my favorite poverty game is Rage of the Dragons for the Neo Geo, I highly recommend it to anyone that loves fighting games.
You are all very right about Rise of the Robots being an example of a game being too garbage to be poverty because there's just nothing to it. One main problem is that player one can ONLY BE THE MAIN CHARACTER AND NOBODY ELSE. Player two can pick whoever from the enemies, but player one HAS to be Cyborg. This game was planned to come out in the arcade and a prototype is playable in MAME and it IS the best version of the game (you can select from like 15 characters, it was nuts) but it never came out. Best of all, the game was so bad, it actually killed British gaming journalism. It was so overhyped talking about how it would have the most cutting-edge visuals and how it was going to blow Street Fighter 2 the hell up and then they PAID CVG to give it a 9.1/10. Amiga Power, one of the best gaming magazines of all time, gave it a 0.5/10, absolutely crapped on the game and the people who were giving paid reviews, and ended it by saying to the publisher and developer "I sincerely and truly hope you all die."
I love that Melty Blood was mentioned mostly because I'm part of the community of that game, but if i have to choose my favorite poverty fighter it's gonna be Touhou 12.3 Hisoutensoku.
A poverty fighter games list/discussion would not be complete without mentioning TMNT Tournament fighter. Sick Music, awesome visuals, and a surprising amount of tournaments for tournament fighter.
Shoutouts to Colorful Fighters. The most poverty of Arcsys' fighters that they gave no online to or separated it from the weird Subspace megaman game they attatched it to
Having played a lot of obscure Neo Geo Fighting games in the early 00's ( Dank-box based cabinets were all the rage across Latin America), two of my favorites were Breaker's Revenge and Waku Waku 7. Outside of Neo Geo, a particular one I remember is Big Bang Beat, which was a doujin game based off an eroge (a la Melty Blood). The menus and interface had this peculiar Mugen stank to it, but the character designs and sprite animation were really nice to look at. Mechanics-wise it was really fun, but unfortunately broken as hell, as you had a really quickly filling super bar that could be used to do a dash cancel and lead to really degenerate combos.
Funnily enough Condor pitched the idea of Diablo to Blizzard thanks to the Justice League ports connection. Condor ended up being Blizzard North and they are the team behind Diablo.
Not gonna lie during the topic of fighting game match intro I'm super disappointed max did not mention guilty gear x2 legendary ky and sol character intro where it was a full blown unique fight scene. Also too depending on the version of X2 it actually effected the match depending on who's special intro it was so for an example sol might actually start in dragon install mode. It was cool as hell
Damn…. kusoge session? Hope the Jojo games come up considering HFTF is some good shit. Jojo Allstar battle would be pretty topical considering it’s getting a remaster that will probably do fuck all to give it good internet because Bandai Namco has made it a personal thing to say fuck rollback.
I dunno if KoF XI is considered poverty (judging by the lack of people playing it in Fightcade, I'm inclined to say it is), but KoF 2003 on the PS2 is one FOR SURE, and I love it with all my heart. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, plays that game. It's honestly sick and has aged quite well. Looks and sounds better than XI in some areas.
I say poverty is a term to describe a game that's easy to access on a PC or laptop when you don't got any money to buy any big games. A popular choice is Melty Blood and a laptop.
I think there IS control stick fighting, Matt, it was Buriki One and and is a strong contender for poverty because of the Neo Geo 64 rarity. And I have fond memories of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting game, but it is 100% poverty.
Bio F.R.E.A.K.S. is the greatest fighting game of all time. If you disagree with me, then you’re wrong. Can’t believe Max doesn’t like it. Unsubscribed
I'm positive I'm the best Dragon Ball Z Extreme Butoden player in the world, because I'm the only one who played it. it's a Nintendo 3DS game that feels like a DBFZ prototype.
What was that Fighting game that released only in Japan and Max was playing it with the Doods? One of the character had a Vacuum cleaner, that game looks super Fun
Just gonna list out some of my poverty games here (sorry if one or more arent poverty exactly): -Akatsuki Blitzkampf -Variable Geo -Savage Reign -Ninja Masters -Golden Axe: The Duel -Ragnagard -Kabuki Klash -Astra Superstars -Aggressors of Dark Kombat -Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer -Kizuna Encounter -World Heroes 2 -Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors -Rage of Dragons -Groove on Fight -The Rumble Fish -Inuyasha a Feudal Fairly Tail -Zero Divide -Real Robots Final Attack -Gundam Battle Assault 2 -Armed Fighter -Vs. -Psychic Force -Vanguard Princess -Big Bang Beat yeah its a reaaaaally huge list but those are some of the ones i played over the years or some that i come back from time to time.
Thanks guys. Fun stuff. Shout out to Fighter's Destiny. Terrible characters, but great overall design. Also a shout out to ST: HD Remix; not really a poverty game, but man a great game that featured rollback netcode early on and had great artwork.
I'm glad you guys mentioned Rage of Dragons, I had never played it, it's great! The in game character splash is gorgeous!! Would you consider Chaos Code a poverty game? There is still a great community on Discord playing it. Should be a sequel soon.
I've never heard of "poverty" fighting games but I do know of poverty tournaments But if I'd have to list a couple myself I'd say it would be Clay Fighters (series), War Gods, and Dragonball GT Final Bout.
