I know this video is a couple of years old, I just wanted to say thank you! Thanks to your video I was able to find the part numbers I needed, even if I had to pause at the right time to get them!
Just rebuilt two of these type of boxes. Much easier to simply remove the complete sector shaft and cover, replace the seals and snap ring, clean the rust from the shaft and re install. Those boxes have not changed much at all. Mine are both roughly 50 years old. Saginaw 800 style box.
After removing your snap-ring, from the sector shaft if your lines are hooked up, or can be hooked up you can blow out your old seal with hydraulic pressure just by bumping the engine over. Then you are not risking damaging your shaft or housing. simple cheat if you don't want to remove the shaft from the box,the way that it should be done.
The outer seal was mounted correct. it´s just a dustseal, and by that it is mounted so the dust is kept out. My S10 -96 had a factory steeringbox and had the outer seal mounted as yours, which is the correct way.
Patrick Wetterskog i am confused as well. Conventionally the lip is inside to keep oil out. However my daihatsu service manual says manufacturer label on seal should face the inside.
Very simple and to the point explanation. My wifes steering box is leaking in the exact same place but original box. I screen captured those part numbers and am heading to chevy. Hopefully the dealership's price will be reasonable. Thanks.
Your welcome Mike! The prices were not bad for what I got. The seals and snap rings were much better quality then I've gotten in the past from the auto parts stores. I'm finding more and more parts for better prices than the aftermarket. Its always worth the phone call to know for sure!
Watch the few of these disassemblies one upper seal held's fluid in while the lower seal holds contaminants and liquid out so from what I've seen it is correct to have the seals opposing each other and not both facing inward
All you need to do is remove the 4 bolts on top of the box and pull the shaft out. Then the seals come out very easy. Just make sure you keep everything straight when you put it back together. I agree that the lower seal is backwards. I put mine back in the other way.
Great video! Perfect removal, couldn't bring myself to grind down a punch, instead I drilled 5/64" holes with the gear still in the vehicle and used #8 panhead screws, worked like a champ!!
Just found a similar problem working on my sons 92 GMC Sierra 1500. Was a remanufactured steering box also but imagine my surprise when I found the Torrington Bearing wasn't pushed in far enough which only left room for one single lipped seal and a mickey mouse spacer under the circlip instead of the 2x seal stack with a single lip then a washer then the bottom double lipped seal followed by another spacer then the circlip. Finally the dust cap gets pushed in against the circlip. Be warned, some remanufactured Steering Boxes are obviously assembled wrongly with incorrect parts.Anybody stupid or dumb enough to do this sort of botched repair on a vehicles steering system should be prosecuted. These 800 series are well designed Steering boxes and will serve you well if assembled and adjusted correctly.... which is another story entirely.
You really should rewatch your video. Your explanation of the backward placed seal was confusing as hell and it was never clear which way was right. You held it both ways when explaining it was wrong. That really could have helped right about now because I have that same seal that didn't come with the kit so I figured mine was similar. The seal that you said was backwards is the one I need to know which way it goes in. Please explain when you can.
Thanks for showing your finds. I have a hummer h2 in the UK so cant find anything about 2008 models. My steering box is just starting to leak can you tell me.if the seals are the same on newer models.as i can find older kits but not 08. Thanks for your time.
The Seal Was In Correctly...It's the Dust Seal, Goes On backwards so The Lips Face down Sealing Dust Out....The Big Dust seal is Just for Mud and Water Splash
That part you show I have the same problem with every gearbox from Advance Auto Part. As soon as I put on and fill with oil it starts leaking from that area. Replaced 3 times. Will never buy from them again. I will just do a rebuild next time myself on the the gearbox.
Is this different than the ones on a 2004 Silverado 2500hd? Mine seems to have a washer that’s pressed in or part of the housing like would have to pull the whole shaft out the back.
I just rebuilt mine, it was really smooth at first but I notice it was building pressure on the power steering reservoir, I turned it a few times and it blew out all of the fluid from the steering knuckle. It’s on a 89 c2500 and I recently ls swapped the truck. Using a 5.3 power steering pump shouldn’t affect it right? I’m still trying to figure out what went wrong, any input would really help
Wow! I would look online and see if you can find out how much pressure the 2 different pumps put out. If there is a difference I would get the exact pump made for it. You might have enough room to remove the Pitman Arm and the seals that blew out. Make sure the snap ring didn't break or come off, it holds the first seal in place.
I also have a leak, very little leak, but I just noticed that the pitman arm is not fully seated as well the nut is barely holding on to the gearbox with the pitman arm with it. Would you suggest to purchase the kit or but a new gearbox with pitman arm and new washer and nut ?
I know this is an older video. But that outer dirt seal was installed correctly. If you have fluid leaking it’s not because of your outer dirt seal failing. It’s because your inner oil seal has failed. If your oil seal is doing it’s job correctly then oil shouldn’t even make it out to your dirt seal.
Now there is a really good chance that since it didn’t have the dust seal installed that dirt and water corroded the shaft which caused the outer dirt seal to fail which then caused dirt to make it to your oil seal and caused it to fail
Hey John, great vid! Question : rebuilidng the entire front end of amy rebuilder 2011 chevy silverado. Do you by chance have/or remember the GM rebuild part # plus the dust boot? I think i can see enough of the part number on the rebuild kit but not the dust boot. Thanks again for good vid!
I bet that was a A1 Cardone reman gearbox I have one in mine they are pretty much junk probably going to have to replace it! I can't stand after market parts now days!
I worked in a dealer for 10 years and have owned my own shop for the last 6 1/2 years, and I could not agree more. I end up still having to use a/m parts regularly due to the cost difference, but it's almost to the point where I need to refuse anything that's not OEM. I'm so sick of the inferiority of the a/m parts world. They really need to start getting their shit together.
Greg Robinson I won't buy anything from A1 Cardone ever again. A sales rep from O'Reilly Auto Parts told me they dropped the whole Cardone line do to so many returns.
I put a overhauled Cardone steering gearbox into my 67‘ Riviera. It stayed there for 1 hour - because the play was much worse than with the original one.... But at least it was not leaking 😜
Hi Dennis! I dont think the pick tool is strong enough to pull the seal out. You would have to slide it along the shaft and then turn it into the seal part. I personally do not like to have anything touch the shaft and possibly damage it.
Is this comparable to the steering box on a C2500 Chevrolet? The bottom shaft that connects to the pitman arm by a large bolt is leaking the seal, which I assume is purely just from ware, but is it possible to replace the seal on the bottom pitman shaft and fix the leak without full replacement?
@@JohnSadlersAutoRepair I'm worried about drilling through the bottom seal for fear of marring the pitman shaft itself. The seal doesn't wanna move much, so...drill out three slots *Carefully* and weasel the seal out?
I just got to the snap ring and both ears busted off at the top. Cant get under or behind it. Not sure what to do. Small drill hole at the wide part and attempt to break it? Heat?
Hi Shane, Yes it just made sense to me. I got a lot of opinions that i did it wrong. All i know is Shane it's been all dry and no leaks for over 4 years now! My customer is happy and so am I!
Okay but how do you put them in properly, need to know cause I’m doing this tomorrow, I don’t know if I missed it but I don’t know where or when you/he said how they go in
V8 For A Heart look around between 2 minutes and 20 seconds and further and it will show the seals how I took them out so you just put them back in the same way. You can also look on Google Images and there's lots of pictures showing the steering boxes in the positioning of the seals. You just have to make sure to keep the seal straight if you have a long piece of pipe the same diameter as one of the seals you can use that to tap the seal in with and we'll go in between the steering shaft. You may even be able to find some plastic PVC pipe from Home Depot with a close enough diameter to work and remember a snap ring will go in after that and keep it in place.
So did you have a seal driver that was deep enough to seat the new seal over the shaft or did you have to make one? Im asking because i always just grab a socket and i know i probably wont have one that size.
Nurburg Flip I have several sizes of round pipe I use. you can go to home depot and buy some 6 inch pieces of different pcv pipe and that should work good. Take the seal with you so the outside isn't to big
John, what is the software program called that you can print from and pull up auto diagrams and schematics? Is it specific for each manufacturer of automobile? mike
Hi Mike , I mostly use Identifix. You can also find good images on Bing. Some online parts catalogs will also have some pretty detailed diagrams how things go together.
Hi Santiago, I prefer to be the least intrusive as possible. One some models when there is alot of room underneath I will replace the seals with the steering box in the vehicle.
He's wrong about the outer seal its not in backwards!! Its in that way to keep water and dirt from entering into the box!! The upper seal is there to seal the power steering fluid in the box!!! If you put the outer seal in the way he says it goes, and you submerge the box accidentally it will fill with water!! The outer seal goes in with sealing facing out!!
My 98 1500 Express van is going through a quart of power steering fluid every 1500 miles for years. It's got the original steering box 170k miles. I've replaced both hoses ( high side was leaking causing steam) but the box still leaks. Looks like it's coming from the steering column end not the pitman arm side underneath. Is that possible? I've tried stop leak which has worked on other things like axle seals but so far it hasn't worked on my van. Looks like the Hummer uses the same box as a GM van.
Nope, the missing dust boot allows the shaft to get dirty and rusty which will be a huge problem when doing a seal replacement. The broken snap ring is the main reason the steering box started leaking.
I know this is old video but if anyone could help me, I rebuilt my steering box about 6 months ago following another RU-vid video thinking that I had success in because I made it with too much patience and followed every step, now the steering box leaked while warming up the truck and when I drove to pull up to a shadowed spot then just shot out too much fluid by the output shaft popping out the dust seal from one side, Since you all say that's only a dust seal not a pressure seal, shoul I assume that something else is broken inside the box???? Any info will be very appreciated thanks!!!
Mine had a broken snap ring, it's very important to put the seals in the correct facing position and a slight nick or deformed area is all it takes to leak. Also I only buy the seals from the local dealership.
Thank you for replying so soon, so it worked out good for a bit less than a year then it leaked so bad, any idea??? I jut pushed the output shaft seal back with special tubing that I did for it and was adding fluid with pitman arm off as I turn it all the way slow then fluid came down and added more fluid at same time the steering pump started making a winning noise and popped the seal out and shoot fluid again by the box output shaft.... Too long story but My question is in your opinion could the st.. pump be broken or the steering box???? I'm just about buying a new steering box and want an opinion before I hope you can help me I appreciate it so much...
@@castronly87 after you pushed the seal back up, did the snap ring fit in the groove inside the housing? Gotta make sure you can see the groove inside before you put the snap ring on, otherwise it will slide down an the seal will come out. Also make sure the snap ring is good quality, the one on mine was broken inside there. The dealer sells the best seal kit for that job.
Just to let you know I took mine apart on my 1995 silverado and the outer seal faced the same way as you found that rebuilt one the 2 seals face away from the washer to keep oil in and dirt and water out ...I do believe they belong that way and how did you get the washer and inner seal out?
I show it in the video how to take out the lower seal, the factory manual shows the seals the way i explained them. I always use the factory information that way there is never an issue and I give the customer a copy. John
Hi Muli, if the leak is small and you keep the fluid level full you can wait for awhile. Example: you fill the power steering up and 2 days later you here the noise when the fluid level gets low ( whining, werring sound ) and you fill it up right away you can drive like that until you fix it. When the pump gets low on fluid and makes that noise all the time ,then it will damage the pump and steering gear box.
John Sadler's Auto Repair Thank you Mr John Sadler you really seem to be a good Mechanic , So that does mean soonest the leak stops the level gets low and I have to fill it up immediately or repair the gear box right ?
@@JohnSadlersAutoRepair Me too, and the parts stores look at you as if YOU defected the part. I always open boxes and have found used parts in new boxes, someone used the new one and replaced it with bad. It saves having them accuse YOU of switching parts, and I had a go in with O'Reilly's, I had a commercial account and they tried to slip me a used steering box, and refused to replace it...time to call corporate, I guess it helped being a municipal judge but I hate to pull rank.
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Looks like maybe LED lighting causing the flicker. I was more disturbed by the AI-based image stabilization that made everything appear to morph and warp around. I’m sure he has probably fixed these issues on his newer videos. Did you get your seal replaced or did you buy a rebuilt assembly? I will be doing mine soon.
You should really edit this video or description, as many of the people in your comment section have said.....the outer seal is actually a dust wiper to keep contamination out and the lip should be facing OUTWARDS. Not everyone reads the comments section and may install it incorrectly due to your video.