how to rebuild power steering gear box saginaw part 1 tear down 

if you even have to ask that.. go buy a new one… woman question

Sorry I just pay for convenience I might get my cuticles ripped

I can buy a new one too.. anyone can .. I spent $60 and rebuilt 2.. both are still working perfect to this day.. I saved $600 .. I don’t trust mechanics.. they are 95% scammers and liars

@@rolandmoreno3526 I did my pump and steering box on my suburban. I personally feel like it was worth it. Rock Auto had my rebuild kids for $20 for the pump and $30 for the steering box. The time it takes to rebuild one really depends on your skill level and tools. I feel like I could do bushings, rings, and seals in probably thirty minutes on each one now that I've rebuilt them. Probably will take you an afternoon if it's your first. Buuuut here's the shitty part. If your flat surfaces are gouged up or your oring seal ate a groove into your shaft then you just wasted your money on a rebuild kit you can't use. Or you disassemble to decide if it's even worth it and wait a week for parts? If you're in a hurry its definitely not worth it. Buy the new part and slap it in.

@@chriscraft77022 very helpful and productive reply

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I have heard of people buying a reman box only to have it be bad and end up changing it out again

@@chriscraft77022 I have roughly the same box on my 1990 Blazer. Do you have a rebuild kit brand preference?

@@uncletomsgarage did you find a kit?, I'm looking

Great tip~!! I intend to use it=thanks.

Sorry but what is purple power ? never heard of it or seen it, anything else that can be used in its place ? thanks!~

It would be like a “Simple Green” sold in the Midwest and elsewhere. It is strange, as both products are environmentally safe, mostly made using the oils found in the skin of oranges. ZEP is a large company that sells variety to cleaning products yet not sold in some states. ZEP sells a 55 gallon drum of powder that is an orange powder. Smells like oranges. True story, in a shop in California, a shop was closing for the day and a tech scooped some ZEP floor cleaner. You can wet the floor and spread it around like extra dirty spots to brush, broom, mop or like our dealer, used an electric push scrubber. The tech sprinkled the orange power on the damp floor & the power turns green immediately. After clearing the floor, you hit it with your water hose. Part of the green watered floor solution came out the door and was running downhill away from the building on a white concrete slab. A person driving around the building though this was “Green Anti-Freeze” headed for the curb that drains into a nearby creek. The person freaked and dialed 911 to report this unthinkable crime against nature. 2 fire trucks, police and 1 ambulance came quickly to clean up the violation, arrest the offender and provide first aide to any person or creature may have ingested. Once explained and examined, it was explained to the concern citizen to calm then and reduce there fears. Now they can sleep better. But the law in this county had a pollution rule that the response required the shop owner to get a $7,500 ticket. He had to pay a lawyer and pay to have a ZEP salesperson to show MHDS to court to have the ticket dropped. Close call. Glad to help you learn because you don’t have be an ASE Master in all eight categories like I did every five years. Others may learn from the written word, some by seeing and others by doing. Some all three. You’re welcome as learning never stops.

the only hard part is getting the new big teflon seal to go in the case.. study those comments about it.. if you dont pay attention to this you will rip the seal and have to buy a new kit.. ask me how i know..

@@chriscraft77022 great vid, do you have the info on the kit? ,I'm having a hard time finding it

I'm here for my 89 suburban as well!

i have a part 2 where i get those bearings back in.. look at them close, you most likely have 2 different kinds.. put one dull one, one shiny one, etc.. this box had all shiny ones..

it really isnt going to matter with this job,you are going to get dirty regardless.....seriously,its full of oil and gunk and is going to go everywere

Definitely a labor of love and not a love of labor. I can see why anyone would just say screw it and buy rebuilt, but hey it just a matter of time, ability, tools and desire.

I will rebuild mine, but with a brass drift, spanner wrench, inch pound torque wrench (Beam Type), seal & bearing driver set, plus bearings (Not bee bees) and solvent not gas. Basically the same Buroughs tools I bought in 1972 when I first started rebuilding the Saginaw 800 series steering gear. ASE Master Tech since 1978 - Retired

this is an easy job for someone that is restoring a vehicle

Dean Kay when did you guys start referring to yourselves as “techs or technicians?” I graduated in 90 and auto mechanics were still called mechanics. Now everyone calls mechanics, techs or technicians. Like they are ashamed of being called a mechanic.

Dean is a mechanic...tech is some pompous way of saying you work on cars. I was an aircraft mechanic...not a "tech."

they have some check balls in there I didn’t know about.. just play with it and it should go away.. mine did that too.. it only went to the right

if you have play in the box...... you need to return that kit and buy a new box... just trying to save you time and headaches.... the process to get the play out (because you have to learn how do it it) is not worth it...... im hoping you have eliminated the fact that the play might be in the drag link, tie rod ends, etc...

I checked the rest of the stuff on front end, the pitman arm shaft has a small amount of play side to side I'm hoping the bearing is just bad

I always watch my balls... washing though.

I have never messed with a dodge in my life.. Saginaw could make the gear box... just try it.. just mark the preload on the main bearing on the front like I did with the chisel.. the rest can be figured out by trial and error

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Yes there is but they won’t sell it. There is a higher profit margin to sell the entire box instead of one newly machined spool valve. Can you u say “$500 dollars profit neighbor?” It’s a $60 part, seal kit and core. If you have the tools, book time is 1.2 hours of labor. You never get paid to clean the outside, inside or paint it.

This is accomplished by using a different ball screw and piston from a box that you find turns opposite your box. There are different size saginaw boxes used in all makes domestic car truck and van. Be careful though some have a very fast turn ratio. My 75 Ford Bronco stock Saginaw box is a 6 turn lock to lock. The 76-77 bronco is 4 turn lock to lock. My Chevy suburban (identical but larger than the Bronco housing) is 3 turns. An astro van is 2.5 or less lock to lock. Lastly observe which side of the input shaft the sector is on just puzzle thru it the gear teeth are same if it flops left or right. Happy hunting! more

tests are bullshit,its actually doing the work fast,properly and reliably over and over and over.consistency,accuracy and PRACTICAL knowledge.

Matt Garza, When you have experience and game, don’t give up as I have a tip for you to pass. I your practice book, read the question and break it into sections. Ask yourself “What are they asking” because certain work are “Tells”. Example; A bent steering part will effect the steering axis inclination and the Ackerman angle. Tech A says no. Tech B says yes. Both or neither.

Sorry, on phone and hit wrong button. In the question, the word “WILL” is a give away, plus, having two issues pointed out in the same statement is a give away. The answer is YES! It effects both. When reading the question, read until you find the one word that changes the meaning of the statement. Giving two effects is also a clue it’s true because one is iffy, but two are clearly correct. There are 5 types of questions; Do, Will, Won’t, Possibly, Maybe and Can’t. Once you read the test question and you come across one of these words, stop. Go back and re-read the question and include the “Key” word, stop and ask yourself what are they asking? The just told you. I took all the test (8) in one night. I was the last one left because everyone else took 2, or 3 maybe 4. But I just got it over with each time. From the first time (Which have more question than re-certification) Now you have all eight, you can take the advanced emissions L1 but it has 100 questions. And unfortunately for those who test are crap & not needed, you can’t get a job from dealerships to a city garage. Even the FBI garage requires ASE cert and it increases your pay! I think “Trillraf” got schooled! Pass a test and quit being mad at life... You will like yourself more girl! ASE Master Tech since 1978, UTI instructor, ACDelco seminar and class instructor. Chris Craft has made something of himself by doing. Trillif, get your hands out of your pants and do something productive, not destructive, Jeeeesh!

Be sure to measure your input shaft size. Typically before 1980 they are 13/16. Afterwards they are 3/4 inch. I posted what I discovered were the right kits in another comment for the input shaft seal. I am guessing that the other kits are similar in that they won't work unless they put in both sizes for the input shaft.

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+Jordan Bolling they are all pretty much the same........... good luck with your project and feel free to ask me anything if you get stuck.............. they can get tricky

Juan Castillo thanks you just saved me about 20 mins of dighing through my oil pan cause some roled off my bench bit guess it was onlh 2 roled off

the chevelle box had 22 and there were two diameters of bearings.... this one did not have 22 and they were all the same diameter.... 1988 G20 chevy van

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go to oreilly and get a rebuilt one.. that is all you can do

transmission fluid just seems to makes the seals leak... I would change the power steering pump.. inspect the pressure and return lines really good and make sure they aren’t kinked or blocked first... I have never had a steering box go bad.. they just get play and get sloppy

chris when the problem first accured of first reconned box i thought it was the pump and that was replaced only found out it was the box on hearing the noise i first heard in pump it was because steering box went bad but its strange how 2 have went bad thx scot also i have rebuild engine and it was the original box was on it that went bad as well so i thinking fluid can it be anything inside the box going bad:

it’s little tikes but I’ve had it for 15 years and found it in a car full of parts.. no idea where it came from

@@chriscraft77022 Thanks for the quick reply! I'm going to try utilizing a plastic 24x46 utility cart as a teardown table.

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not if it went on there easy.. sometimes thy have fixed positions..

@@chriscraft77022 Cool. Thanks.

@@frikyouall I would say turn the wheel left to right without wheels engaged. Lock to lock and measure how many times you count so you can do the math about where the steering wheel is when the wheels would be at 12o clock straight center then attach it all back up once your steering wheel is dead center should. Go back on like butter

If you take your gear box off and don't rebuild it you are making a silly mistake.

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a plastic pan.........kitty litter box,whatever

tmg24 i go over that in part 2 rebuild... reas tge comnents some guy talks about that

CRAFT REAL SCIENCE thanks! I'll try the hose clamp trick.

I remember it just unscrewing out without any problems

@@chriscraft77022 So you did not release the ball bearings before you pulled the input shaft out?

Does anyone know the answer to my question on what holds the input shaft from sliding out that needs to be removed to replace the input shaft seal?

you mest up bad.. that is where you adjust the mesh between the gears.. if it is hard you will probably break the gears... you need to loosen it back.. but the process can not be explained in any youtube video...

wear,kind of obvious no?

trillrif axegrindor not what I’m asking, I’m trying to get a specific answer, like for example if there is a specific part that develops play inside that co tributes to the backlash. Or simply is the gear wearing down.....

@@Gap_machine seals and bearing develop play from "wear" shafts develop play from "wear" the box itself can develop play from "wear" improper assembly and adjustment can develop play from "wear or user error"