PowerColor Red Devil RX Vega 64 Tear-Down (& Thermal Paste)

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We're tearing down the PowerColor Red Devil RX Vega 64 graphics card today, including some information on thermal paste and the fix.
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Review will post once drivers work properly. There is a known issue where current AMD drivers do not properly enumerate the clock on the partner models, to the point of performing equally to reference V64s. It should be fixed soon-ish, we're told.
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@GamersNexus 6 лет назад

Note on Vega testing & clock issues: twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/935637934535045121 You might like our round-up of the best GPUs at each price-point: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9YOQq5_bwHc.html Or maybe our buyer's guides playlist for end of year: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9YOQq5_bwHc.html&list=PLsuVSmND84QtQhqnTXqF-mwf-DrTOOQKz

@pipreptile1091 6 лет назад

you might have just saved powercolour reputation lol

@MinehowTech 6 лет назад

Gamers Nexus why you put dial-up noise, you can use aol with broadband you know.

@Zarcondeegrissom 6 лет назад

ok, if buildzoid does a breakdown of this board, I want to know how he does it with a straight face or without instinctively diving over to the Halon extinguishing system to set it off. Just as Steve said, not god, definitely not good. Short HBM chips need more thermal goop. Great vid by the way GN crew. B)

@TB-zm3zc 6 лет назад

There seriously needs to be a hardware manufacturer's version of a software 'bug bounty.' You just potentially saved PowerColor a shitload of money and you should be compensated for it.

@Zarcondeegrissom 6 лет назад

or they were working on it, and that card slipped out the door without getting fixed. hmmm. Either way, it's an issue all AIB partners will need to deal with.

@NotSoGoodGamingTV 6 лет назад

Savage AF intro.

@Zarcondeegrissom 6 лет назад

Steve's Case review ranks; "Our render rig is in it so we can't review it" "It's average" "Falls apart" "Not worth buying" "DhARRRGH Why"

@andreaslegomovies 6 лет назад

I really appreciate that PowerColor listened to you and made the corrections! I also think it really shows how valuable GN is as a "third-party" quality control :)

@snowman22ism 6 лет назад

How does Gamers Nexus only have 193k subs and other less informative tech tubers have over half a million to over a million??? Shit ain't right.

@alphazoomii9408 6 лет назад

Because people are mostly dumb. They just go where they see the most subs not what content is actually the best.

@bingethinner7045 6 лет назад

Toms Tech like what? All I can think of is his opinions on ball bearing fans for liquid cooling.

@dieseldave2273 6 лет назад

Mike F Because most people arent worried about getting educated opinions, or facts gathered through scientific research. They just wanna see tech porn. Lol.

@conan900 6 лет назад

Attention spans are not what you think they are for the average person.

@davidwombwell3631 6 лет назад

Awesome channel

@360snipepro 6 лет назад

Please dont stop doing such indepth videos.... I love it.

@moorerobbie40 6 лет назад

Lol, the montage at the beginning was really good. Thank you for all the great content and brutally honest reviews.

@testtestlast4306 6 лет назад

That intro lol

@ichrismoku 6 лет назад

So you're saying there should be thermal paste on this 500 dollar gpu? - PowerColor 2017

@darkknight1193 6 лет назад

C Hill Probably 700 $ card. Miners dig those cards.

@armandb.8737 6 лет назад

there was thermal paste for full package, it's just never reached hbm

@DeeP-_PerspectivE 6 лет назад

I made a comment in another video about how powercolor sounds like a cheap knock off brand, a budget friendly shit brand. I said this with out knowing anything about the company, just off my instinct with reading their horrible Brand name. I then got bashed by many what i think are 12 year olds saying how it is a legit brand with top performance cards. I laughed it off, now i come to this video and see this. A fucking naked gpu with missing paste on it. lmfao, power color sucks confirmed

@MaggotCZ 6 лет назад

even without miners it will be like 620 bucks.. AMD is fucked in highend

@farminglol 6 лет назад

miners dig ;) I see what you did there

@andyS13 6 лет назад

Instant like for that intro

@katerwhall1865 6 лет назад

I can't go through a day without my fix of this channel. the nom de plume "tech jesus" cracks me up. keep up the great work and thank you for the in depth reviews.

@TheHeavy666Metal 6 лет назад

I wish that Vega had a better launch. I prefer Nvidia but now they can do whatever they want at whatever price they want.

@Najvalsa 6 лет назад

They can't if you don't support them by buying their products.

@Nicolas-zo6rg 6 лет назад

We don't have a choice if we want high end gaming....

@Najvalsa 6 лет назад

Nic True until now, but I'm just saying that you don't need to buy Volta when it comes out even if it's got a bit more performance if what you've got suffices.

@davidwombwell3631 6 лет назад

Nvidia has been on cruise control for a while now, they will keep hiking up the price on the top tier cards.

@Nanorisk 6 лет назад

That’s the award for the company that got stuff done right, any question?

@GrantGuarino 6 лет назад

Great intro, also this thing looks like it'll rip the pcie slot right off a motherboard

@williammurdock3028 6 лет назад

Can't wait for the video on temps before and after the tear down. Watched another Red Devil review showing temps in low 60s.

@Gorgula 6 лет назад

Been waiting too long for this. Thanks

@ShikiKaze 6 лет назад

I just wanna drill support brackets on your wobbly table. Good review as always.

@JarrodsTech 6 лет назад

Hopefully it is indeed the start of more of these cards!

@sgredsch 6 лет назад

that case review pun was really entertaining :D

@TintelFruit 6 лет назад

Gamers Nexus - Saving gpu's one die at a time.

@saikrishankumar 6 лет назад

Fantastic bro, you just saved a company a shit load of money! You not only produce fantastic content, educate your readers and viewers, but help companies like Powercolor.

@satiic 6 лет назад

that intro was absolutely sick !

@DevAnubis 6 лет назад

The thing which puzzles me is why so far only XFX appear to be going for a smaller PCB (which Vega makes practical through both VRM layout and not needing space for GDDR5) The shots I've seen of their card have one of the fans blowing clear through the heatsink and through a vented backplate. Surely that will allow for better cooling than a longer (and baren) PCB blocking airflow.

@yulusleonard985 6 лет назад

maybe XFX have plan for watercooled vega nano in the future? Asus have plan for vega X2.

@quizicalNine 5 лет назад

Excellent video thank you!!!

@peterm.7497 5 лет назад

I am about to tear down the Gibabyte version to install a water block and the amount of details and knowledge of Gamers Nexus is great. I always return to the is channel when I do things of this nature --- I trust their work.

@Psychx_ 6 лет назад

Yo Steve, greetings from Austria!

@carig121 6 лет назад

i definitely like your autopsies, first time i see the "HBMgate" with my own eyes, thx lol

@Hirens. 6 лет назад

good job guys !!

@00101001000000110011 6 лет назад

always a good job to listen to GN. saved by the bell PowerColor. "wait. what?! ooooh nooo." 10/10 such genuine confusion turning to despair ahahahahah this needs to be turned into a meme. "GN receives new rcb case: wait. what? oooooh noooo." hahahahahah ty Steve and co. gg as usual.

@TechRide. 6 лет назад

smashed the Like so damn hard after the intro!

@ChristianStout 6 лет назад

Seeing all that blank space on these Vega PCBs makes me excited for Vega Nano with a waterblock. There's gonna be some dope 4K gaming HTPCs on this platform.

@baphomathedude8057 6 лет назад

Christian Stout 4k.... on Vega. I love AMD, but no.

@darkrevelations4650 5 лет назад

This is a REALLY good running card! Both the Vega and the 580 versions are fantastic! Good job Power Color! Great temp and great performance! (Great fix before time, good job Nexus & Power Color)

@monjessenstein 6 лет назад

"Almost as rare as good case reviews" that's because you don't have *OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS*

@aliabdallah102 6 лет назад

monjessenstein nah. In box thermals is where it's at.

@Arashmickey 6 лет назад

Out of the box thermals are lower in the winter season because the package cools during transport.

@sanitylogic4611 6 лет назад

The flux capacitor connects to the femer bone.

@pc5440 6 лет назад

@@sanitylogic4611 femur smdh

@jt92 6 лет назад

Thumbed up this video in the first 15 seconds. hilarious intro.

@sunsinger970 6 лет назад

Techjesus will make case reviews great again

@sparkyenergia 6 лет назад

Whats the 'Feeler Gauge' made of? Could you sacrifice one and some liquid metal as a shim between HBM and HSF?

@marcelllouzada7703 6 лет назад

How much heat do the HBM modules output? Could you replace the thermal paste with a thermal pad? Or does the fact that the HBM is vertically stacked make them rather hot?

@macleod1592 6 лет назад

Excellent video. I'm smarter for having watched it. Crying shame this channel doesn't have a million subscribers.

@ISquishWorms 6 лет назад

A like for your sense of humour and as always detailed reviews.

@mcbutch83 6 лет назад

Hey man, what case would you recommend that I buy? Not really too worried about cost. Just looking for a mid tower case, that doesn't have a bunch of unnecessary room for water cooling, and filters. Lots and lots of filters.

@cavedon.felipe 6 лет назад

They just saved an entire production from sinking.

@Retanaru 6 лет назад

Would have been amazing tbh, especially if it was only powercolor living up to their name.

@manitoublack 6 лет назад

Love seeing feeler gauges in a computer video ;)

@evilmunki54 5 лет назад

Is there the review for this model? Had a look and couldn't find it

@gloege1 6 лет назад

great channel spread it

@The123utube 6 лет назад

Im having an issue at the moment with this card i just got it yesterday and the fans wont turn on for some reason.

@mypeeps1965 6 лет назад

would thermal pads work on the hbn2 portion?

@justinm6110 6 лет назад

I cant wait to get one of these Vega cards,They will only get better.

@blazbohinc5735 6 лет назад

Damn that intro was savage!

@ellypsis603 6 лет назад

dat intro is gold

@MatthewSemones 6 лет назад

why is the red devil logo on the back upside down?

@AnImperfectSoul 6 лет назад

What was the case you showed for the Thermaltake floe?

@Gamer-df9xt 6 лет назад

Hey Steve, is it fine to put non conductive thermal paste on vram?

@StalewindFarto 6 лет назад

You guys are really the only consumer protection that we can really rely on. Who else consonantly tears down parts to insure the buyer gets a quality product? There may be others but I know them not.

@sandervr10 6 лет назад

Will there be a full review of the card ?

@stupidburp 6 лет назад

AMD should specify a target height to suppliers and require using a hard space filler such as conformal coating to get package heights close to that target if the package is a bit short.

@Orvis25 6 лет назад

@GN Even though amd claims to possibly have this production thing fixed with having both HMB stacks, and the die level, do you think they really have? I am just curious if this is just the teething issues (per say) if having (to my knowledge) the first chip on market that has three separate chip's on one larger chip, that all need to be cooled by one thermal pad. Over time (vega's second generation) may have this totally resolved i hope so they can actually hit production numbers. But on the other hand look at thread ripper (4 ryzen dies) so..... IDK what to think here.

@erselino 6 лет назад

is it possible to put liquid metal on this card with the height difference?

@stormyandcold 6 лет назад

Good thing they sent you this card. Anyway, this height difference between the core and hbm; doesn't that mean that if the heatsink itself doesn't account for the difference, then, there's not enough pressure, once attached for the thermal compound to work optimally? I imagine that if it'd been the core that was lower, then, this would've potentially been a much more serious problem.

@xXThorsMjolnirXx 6 лет назад

that card looks sick

@Raio_Verusia 6 лет назад

Every time that super thick thermal block fell off I died

@NMad-kp2bu 6 лет назад

If Steve starts to drop things, he might get 1mil subscribers

@riffsnreviews 6 лет назад

Out of curiosity what is the stepping on this power color vega ? Wasn't AMD supposed to be moving away from ASE for packaging the vega dies (well i'm saying that but I of course have no idea who packaged this gpu)? IMO it isn't AMD's nor Powercolor's fault, it's the packagers fault (well also AMD for allowing two different designs as well)... What I don't understand is why aren't the dies all "epoxied" it makes more sense just for interposer protection alone... I mean how are AIBs even supposed to account for 2 different heights ? 2 different cold plate designs ? More paste is a solution but is it really ideal ? Another question how are coolers installed in production ? I'm guessing by hand, and how is the thermal paste applied ? By hand also ? If so that's a variable for fuck up

@jadoei13 6 лет назад

RiffsNReviews HBM2 heat output isn't all to much, so I'm not to concerned about 40 micrometers of extra thermal paste. While I certainly don't think it is ideal, I guess they didn't have a whole lot of choice given that it would be better for everyone to have the better package.

@930dave 6 лет назад

jadoei13, 40 micros isn't much but it is still not a fix, that also is another assumption on their part as the height differentials could be more or less than that on different samples. I'm sure you know too much paste will actually act as an insulator, fine line though...Waiting to see their thermal differentials, really interested to see the numbers now.

@n.shiina8798 6 лет назад

it's still a problem even just 40um difference. there's little to none direct thermal transfer to the HBM2 dies while the device itself is temperature sensitive. sure, by having more thermal paste does the job but again, there's little to none direct thermal transfer. what we need is a direct contact as much as possible while TIM fills the pits on both cold plate and heat generating device.

@RetroTinkerer 6 лет назад

Thermal paste is not designed to replace direct contact is there to replace air wich due to impeefwctions in both the die and heatsink surface is unavoidable more so in products that won't get custmized lapping or surface matching... if AMD can't produce these packages with a real good z-heigh tolerance board partners will run away from Vega.

@riffsnreviews 6 лет назад

Yeah but AMD doesn't produce the packages, they don't produce anything except the design (like nvidia)... But they still seem to find it acceptable for some unknown reason (probably due to already really low yields on the dies and potentially on the packaging also). And they"ve already changed packager, but i'm not sure that the change applied to the Vega 10 as well, well nobody knows. But yeah I agree it will start pissing off the AIB partners if this results in an "uneven" finished product, if they end up with lesser performing gpus because of this (which we will find out soon), people could just send them back and write off the brand because they aren't aware of this packaging difference. Potentially also just making it a pain to work with as well. Which is why I was wondering if the heatsinks are fitted by hand ? Because that could also result in a % of lost dies (though most likely small) when it comes to the unmolded version, with the interposer being really fragile. And I do think that they hand mount the heatsinks, because sapphire used to install a plastic film on the fiji dies to protect the interposer (also unmolded package).

@omfgbunder2008 6 лет назад

that's a huge gap to just put more paste on it

@CharcharoExplorer 6 лет назад

I was hoping that AMD partners would learn from the Tri-X and Nitro R9 Fury and use smaller PCBs + fan over heatsking to maximize cooling. Guess not :(

@darkknight1193 6 лет назад

Alexander Yordanov they have to be big to accommodate those beefy coolers. Vega is hot as F$%#

@CharcharoExplorer 6 лет назад

So was Fury....

@haonanzhang6759 5 лет назад

Sapphire pulse.

@D1craigRob 6 лет назад

are they going to over TIM all vegas now because they dont know which gpu they are getting? resin raised or non resin raised?

@rexyoshimoto4278 5 лет назад

I wonder if this would be the same for Vega 64 reference cards.

@rgray318 6 лет назад

Couldn't we use a super slim metal shim with tim on both sides?

@robodog7610 6 лет назад

Thinking about video from LTT, where Linus made custom air cooled card with Noctua fans. Steve, could you do it properly with same type of fans on all cards? I know this might be a tedious and long term project, but in my opinion this would be an interesting test to do.

@randominternetguy 6 лет назад

is the plate laser cut?

@lexzbuddy 6 лет назад

I'm an engineer. Believe me here, getting useful info from suppliers is nearly impossible. So, the chips being different heights is no surprise. Not knowing and assuming it's one height, no surprise. Just one of the many issues of many people working in teams and there being poor communication.

@mightydeku 6 лет назад

how about using copper shims?

@cotes42 6 лет назад

11:13 you can’t get any more honest than that.

@o.mi.2291 6 лет назад

Is it only me or does the picture of the fixed card right out of production line look like someone tried to clean up the old thermal paste (resedue in all corners) and applied new paste ?

@yeyeyeye8342 6 лет назад

what probably happened with the heatsink contact plate not having a recess for the gpu so the hbm would touch the aluminum is they forgot to add a recess in the schematic they gave out to the machinists that machine the aluminum for their contact plates (you can see the milling marks at 4:10 so its not cast) in theory if things were really bad with the cards thermals they could recall it and re-mill the plates to have a recess (which would realistically only take about one minute per plate)

@smallmoneysalvia 6 лет назад

Would be nice if they put a small step in the heatsink or a shim on the hbm. For the price of the card, you’d think it would already be there.

@vitchaponngouvisitkul6729 6 лет назад

Damn i love ur intro

@The123utube 6 лет назад

anyone have a clue to whats is going on. app says that its using 36 watts and during game play its using 4 watts

@carlkitchen 6 лет назад

I was waiting for Steve to throw that huge thermal pad at the wall for failing off one too many times.

@flyingsalo583 6 лет назад

I got my hands one one of these cards and was wondering if anyone has put a waterblock on the red devil? If so, please let me know which one, if it had to be modded and how it performs. While the card is not too noisy I would prefere it on water.

@joeyrosenbaum6893 6 лет назад

It’s always weird seeing the fans not spin

@timjohnson780 Год назад

Is there a suggested fix or mod for those 2 hbm modules to help assist cooling. I've always wanted this card and I bought one I'll have it in a week. So just leave them as they are or is there a mod or fix. Thank you GN love your stuff and honest reviews.

@user-fe8wm9iz3u Год назад

How much did you pay for it?

@timjohnson780 Год назад

@@user-fe8wm9iz3u for the record Im still using it. Works Great. Paid like 125$ off eBay.

@stevey500 5 лет назад

I almost wonder if this is what is going on with my Vega 56 Nano. It hits 84C easily with great ventilation and crashes shortly afterword.

@vskye1 6 лет назад

The Red Devil - A video card that loves the heat. :) Hopefully they'll sort that out.

@seaneredia5199 6 лет назад

4:31 they just have to sneek a smiley face 🤣

@Demon09-_- 6 лет назад

MSI not sending you a 1080ti trio? Wondering how that would do in the noise to temp department everyone who has had it raved about how quiet it is

@dayvie9517 6 лет назад

How heavy is this video card?

@haxorinator8219 6 лет назад

I’m not surprised. Definitely on Powercolor. Powercolor has never stood out as a leading partner of Graphics Cards. Remember the RX 480 Devil? Horrible VRM cooling. Then they release a custom BIOS and tell people not to overclock highly or use Furmark. At least EVGA refunded/recalled their ACX coolers. Powercolor said “just deal with it, not covered under warranty”

@SckharVawn 6 лет назад

god what a gorgeous card :O

@glenn27521 6 лет назад

There is no reason for bad contact between the cold plate and HBM .04 mm copper sheets is a commonly production of motor brushes and copper gaskets on small electronics (biggest reference on RC cars). So a shim to be cut and placed in the gap between the cold plate and HBM should only add a few Penny's to production cost. Using a thermal adhesive to attach a Shim to the cold plate over the HBM would result and better conductivity of heat then Gooping large amounts of thermal paste. Thanks for the video Steve. If I do decide to buy Vega I now know go ahead and pull the heat spreader off and see if I need to fix this. problem

@carlosr3500 6 лет назад

hey people need some help pls i will really apreciate if someone can tell me if i can fit a Gigabyte ATC700 Aorus Cooler on a NZXT H440 or a NZXT S340 Elite? if it's not possible wich case should i use then?

@Bobbit323 6 лет назад

I understand that the packages may or may not be recessed but surely they'd know that on average the HBM seems to be lower, why not just add one more operation to the machining process of the heatsink and take .002 mm off where the GPU core touches? Or maybe you explore the modification of the heatsink's contact area? You could use pieces of flat aluminum with mounting holes to test methods of removing material and contact patterns(in place of expensive heatsinks). Then apply those methods to a real heatsink and see if it does or doesn't effect thermals. It could also test whether or not the thickness of the thermal compound effects heat transfer enough to make a difference.

@burtaverde5305 6 лет назад

Wow, never seen steve so distracted. He was so baffled by that thermal paste that the rest of the video was just like "here's a video card, it has a cooler and stuff"

@jort93z 6 лет назад

Nvidia: "we gave the manufacturers stupid regulations just so our new card does not beat our older ones. we really made their life a whole lot harder" AMD: "hold my beer"

@tech6294 6 лет назад

That intro though.... LMFAO!!! XD

@CaSd02 6 лет назад

Can I use that as a brick?that thing looks big AF

@DanielRichards644 6 лет назад

I don't know Steve you've had the Asus for a WHILE NOW

@cristianr9168 6 лет назад

does anybody have any news on the gigabyte version of vega 56

@GregoryCunningham 6 лет назад

Great intro. 😆

@f4rensabri 6 лет назад

too thick of thermal paste is not so efficient either the best way is to have the gpu cooler plate slightly raised to compensate the height offset between hbm and the gpu

@xeridea 6 лет назад

Why don't they just have part of the coldplate slightly raised? Seems like an easy fix.

@MarkRushow 6 лет назад

If the the heatsink all ties into one block would not get saturated with heat from the hottest components and basically not draw heat from the secondary or less hot components. It seems you risk that being a problem if there is too much heat going through the same block. If it can cool quick enough I suppose it would draw from the other components. An optimal solution would seem to be to break the block into multiple sections.