Powercreep in Yugioh - The Three Effect Rule 

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I laughed so hard that I turned into the card

I really need to find someone who makes custom cards for that purrley art

Soot Blossom is annoying the way it special summons a 200 atk nothing during your opponent's mainphase1, but at least I'll always have a way to stop them from searching their deck once per turn. Plus it technically thins the deck and lets me shuffle what I put on the bottom more towards the middle incase I want to discard half my deck later. You can use it as tribute but you still need an extra monster, really it just lets you remove it from the field if not destroyed in battle.

Yeah, idk. I think the power creep is more of an issue than a blessing. But that's different from person to person.

Your deck trap can do nothing against my not in the game trap. I can just counter your card with a card I'm not actually running in my deck. Also, I own a copy of the new Exodia in my collection back at home so you just lose.

We do have monsters that can special summon themselves from the deck, so it's only a matter of time.

@@goddessbraxia Now that it's turn 5, my Time Machine special summons itself from the previous game on the other side of the convention center. But not before it battles the Eldrich Stalker lvl 3 I'm going to send backwards in my next game, causing me to lose 800LP and discard a card from my hand.

I did that... but no family members or friends to play with. 😭

I do that with character decks

Tbf the online simulators are just less work. I don't have any problems with proxies but its just easier to play online for most things.

@@shawnjavery that's fair, they are the easiest. I have my decks built on simulators too but my friend group and I prefer paper play. It just feels better for us in person rather than online

​@@fantasmabrasileiro21 Same :(

Oh hey! Love your channel and your thoughts on powercreep in the game also. Quick question, do you have any thoughts on what the "end game" of this power creep could become? Like, what effects would be considered universally "too much" for yourself and other players?

Crazy part is they could've errata'd "dragon ruler monster" text to not stack them but never did. It nerfed bazoo and skull lair hard lol not as bad as ring of destruction (no ties/lethal damage to opponent and can't target own monster). In the old as it was cheap discard and removal for stuff that didn't come back, let alone snatch steal lol. The fact change of heart is free shows you how much power creep happened too. I got tired of the nostalgia trips to the attic every year let alone speed duel didn't bother with xyz, synchro, links or a good battle pack sealed format.

And then half are quick effects so now your opponent is playing your turn too.

@@chazzitz-wh4lythis is exactly what makes modern Yugioh unenjoyable

​@@chazzitz-wh4lylabyrinth and snake eyes decks do this all the time lol

When you think about it Dragon Rulers were strong because of the era they came out in, and they still got hit fast. They only got banned when a table 500 FTK deck came out with Dark Matter.

I think yugioh wants to weed out the IRL card game tbh. That’s what it feels like more and more each year.

​@@isaacsamuel6035not really lol, its still their goldmine Konami isn't getting hid of it so soon

@@isaacsamuel6035 They're not trying to kill their game, they're following the same line must go up shareholders first policy as every other large corporation who engages in enshittification.

The game is frustrating to play and balance as is, but at least we can try it free.

​@@akiradkcnwon't they? They're clearly seeing that their sales aren't increasing, and they're not managing to get new players, that's why there's so many new simplified formats. Who in his right mind is gonna pay $1.000+ to make a deck on a game that they barely know and that is probably gonna get powercreeped in a couple of weeks

It genuinely feels like they don’t care about their game. Just the money. Yugioh is easily the most mishandled card game out there. The power creep is absolutely insane. There’s nothing else out there like it. All because kunami refuses to put their game in formats like Pokémon does. This game is a new players nightmare. They have no chance. It really sucks

The complexity of the game was perfect in 2014. Crazy to be a full decade since that point. It's really not the same game anymore. Hard to still call it yugioh.

The time wizard event in Master Duel really was one of the best events held.

All the meta decks are different but each deck individually plays the exact same. There is no longer any personality to decks, it’s just net decking and following a step-by-step guide.

@CudaWudaShuda I understand that. The biggest issue I have is exactly one of the points you made, that some decks are more locked into a strategy than others. Why is Exosister, SHS, Swordsoul, etc, restricted when other decks just have full reign to do whatever they want? I agree that Konami has a clear intent for card design, but it's not for a good or fun reason. In fact, we have almost never heard what Konami's card designers' thoughts are for this game outside of very niche examples, like with Nibiru or Dark Ruler No More. Unless they express why they designed a card or deck a certain way, the only real conclusion is that it was designed to be broken solely because they want to push product. "Sure, let your fusion deck summon XYZ monsters, that just makes it better to sell more! This other deck though...nope, only XYZs." Don't get me wrong, I love being able to lab out combos and summon Naturia Exterio in Goblins. That stuff is amazing and hilarious. However, that is what it should end at. A goofy combo you can pull off every now and then. Not every single game with no penalty or restriction.

I don't like archetype locks for entire decks but it does seem like some cards are strong enough to require it. If branded fusion is strong enough to be locked then surely Kitkallos is as well. Konami released Kitkallos as a normal summon, as in, normal summon Reinohart>effect. Wtf were they smoking.

I understand you but if it would be that way you describe, then a new camp would had been formed which would b*tch and moan about that they cant do everything but are then locked in one card-type. Then ofc you have others which will pop up and say YGO is dead cuz it never rly evolved. I guess its konamis take to put in even more broken and blwon out methods to play the game to then still keep the franchise afloat.

Idk about most, but the Tear thing is kinda dumb, because of their Lore. If Tear were to be locked out of anything but fusions, using Visas Starfrost would be stupid (considering their field spell searches it), that along with all the other Heart extra deck monsters.

I was just thinking about how the best XYZ deck ever is full power Tear

The future of the game IMO, but sucks that it would be an Ash-Blossom level of power gap for old decks

I have a friend that plays branded, and after a 20+ card combo, he's doing 5 fucking things during every end phase and another 5 whenever i negate/pop ANY of his shit. it's so fucking ignorant

Not to tout Magic as an solution, but to compare: mana is the limiting factor we don't have here, so you can just cast spells for days...

Yugioh's resource system used to be turns (aka normal summons), but now both turns are fair game to play for either player. There's literally nothing controlling anything.

@@ninezerotwo1778 its time for konami to make new master rule that limit summon shit each turn and also limit shit you can summon on opponent turn. a good argument for them to do it, because it will fuck everyone deck and they can just sell new card to make more money.

If people made better spending decisions (because let’s face it there’s more important/better stuff to invest in that aren’t expensive staple cards). This wouldn’t be an issue

​@@STEPHxCAit's an issue because this is a made up structure by Konami TCG. Just copy over the OCG rarity structure and that'll improve the experience plenty fold

@@STEPHxCA the issue of generic staples being too expensive, is caused by Konami. Them not printing enough copies. Price is entirely determined by playability and accessibility. (How strong and how many copies exist) Wild of you to think consumers decisions; are why cards can be too expensive.

Working as designed

Whatever you do bro, don't look up the prices of your average Magic the Gathering deck💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Standard mtg is less than $300 consistently. It's only formats like modern that get expensive. Plus most of magic is commander atm so there's not much competitive incentives behind it.

@@MonkeyFightTCG More than half of the top 10 standard decks are 300-500 and that rotates. That's assuming standard is even alive in your area. The only constructed mtg alive in my area with a large playerbase is modern and pioneer. Pioneer is about 300-600. Modern is as you know anywhere from 600-1100. Yugioh is really only insanely expensive if you're buying in from 0, which is the same with mtg if you don't already own good lands. Despite the price differentials modern is probably the "cheapest" in the long run, at least it was before modern horizons sets started essentially rotating the format. And the commander paradox is a whole other thing. Yes you have plenty of people who just proxy, but in my experience commander players drop more money on singles and sealed product than any other group of mtg players. They are the people buying special versions of cards. And commander players never have just one deck either. We are in an especially expensive season of yugioh at the moment but the difference is not as large as people act it is.

@@dudesk099 The lands at least will always be useful once you have them. None of the fire king monsters will be useful in the next wind tier 0 deck

@@dudesk099 Rotation at least means you get a few formats out of it by just swapping whatever staples get rotated out. Plus, MTG does frequent reprints of common cards and even some archetypes. Plus around a quarter to a third of your deck is basic lands, which are 1. stupidly cheap even as singles (to the point that it's actually cheaper to buy single lands in bulk than it is to pull them from packs) and 2. always legal for play. Heck, I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure even white-border and Un-set lands are legal in standard.

Yeah, it's absolutely disgusting and they don't even attempt to hide their greed. "We released this currently tier 0 deck early in MD so you'll buy it sooner. Have fun!"

They know they can milk TCG and Master Duel players but can't milk the OCG because of how competitive the card game market is over there

Even staples in midterm decks are URs now in masterduel SMH

*Komoney

Because Komoney can't of any profitable ways to gain money through that idea...

They dont allow Asian English so proxies is beyond any expectation

Yu-Gi-Oh cards aren't standard playing card size so it's harder to use online printing services like magic players can

mtg has cards that are worth thousands of dollars that you have to play. and proxies arent legal for sanctioned events if you want to proxie cards to play with your friends no one is stopping you

You can proxy for casual play but for competitive proxies are not allowed in yugioh.

Yeah, but those people don't really help Konami. They buy singles. Not product.

@@orga7777 That still helps Konami. Those singles came from packs, in booster boxes, which konami sold. The prices of those singles affect the prices of the sets they're from. People who sell cards will buy those sets, get the cards they need, and sell them at however much they need to in order to cover the cost of the set, make some profit, and enough to reinvest into buying more sets. People buying singles DEFINITELY helps Konami, just not directly. If this wasn't true, Konami would be working to change things. The secondary market benefits them. They may not profit directly from it, but they do make more profit because of it.

@@antonyfranco2866They can't rely on vendors buying bunk product all the time in bulk for online single sales forever. It is not sustainable, especially since stores are dropping Yugioh more and more these days because it isn't profitable. They will have to change things inevitably.

@@orga7777the singles come from people mass buying product though. You need to buy a case to be able to sell a playset of bonfire. That factors into your selling price when you sell the singles. I live in Japan and the best cards are so cheap here and people still buy product.

@@antonyfranco2866the secondary market helps Konami wether they like it or not. If Konami wanted to make it illegal to sell Yugioh cards online in the USA, they’d be sadly disappointed. Konami does profit from the secondary market directly. People buy boxes to chase cards, that sell high… the secondary market is the key to understanding chase cards.

That would be horrific.

Elder Entity N'tss: "Yo"

Cards like Zeus already feel like a half-step toward that. All it's missing is having the summon happen on attack declaration rather than after the BP.

@@frostbite_1244the game already is horrific. Because your opponent only needs to draw Mathmech Circular in order to summon a full board with 3 face down traps that means he always has access to the 2 effect veiler, ash and imperm in his hand. The game is so toxic and shitty.

At that point, they might as well put a new trap deck zone onto the field. Konami will love selling the new sets with trap-deck exclusive cards.

Old and alternative formats are amazing. It's why at every ycs and regionals the side event time wizard tournaments fill up immediately. Konami has been acknowledging this but I wish they'd do more with it. Such as fully adding alt format game modes to master duel.

We have come up with an idea to incentivize the non meta competitive players to show up and play tournaments. We limited the decks to a total of 250 of our currency, what it's about 50 dollars. But it's not a 1-5 conversion, cards go for like 5-10x the dollar price, so it's like we can only build decks that are 30 dollars total. That way a person needs to compromise what the decks big cards going to be. I'm curious on how it's going to turn out to be honest, and I'm happy my fun decks will see play

It's nice to duel my friends with my Crusadia deck

I hate yugioh so much. All it ever did for me was waste my time and money. The least it could do is be fun, but it stopped being that a long time ago.

I was just about to talk about Gryphon Vs Poplar and how you can easily identify what archetype will be pushed to be meta just by their wording. Yes, wording is fundamental even if it makes minor differences. For example D/D could be a as oppressive as Tear 0 with only changes in wording, yet they became irrelevant on release. For anyone not knowing what Gryphon does: 1) Special from hand in DEF that activates if you control a D/D 2) Draw a card if pendulum summoned by discarding a D/D or Dark Contract as cost 3) Search a D/D card when revived from GY. Would it hurt to summon in ATK while it has 1200 ATK/DEF and Fen has double? Why isn't it a starter by using "if you control no monsters, or you control 1 D/D"? Why is the search effect on the revive instead of Normal/Special summon? Why is the draw effect on Pendulum Summon and not the search effect? Why do you need to already have a 3 card combo to get the search by reviving from GY? BTW it sounds horrible and it was the best support card for the deck. But it's so easy to drive the point home with that. Meanwhile cards like Circular abuse the mechanic of cost so they won't lose to Ash while they have 0 activation requirements. Gilgamesh (the link 2) places exactly 2 scales exclusively from the deck, not "hand or Deck", not "up to 2". This means if you used a scale to make a play for enough materials you cant activate the effect at all, and if you drew a scale you need to place something else that removes itself. To top it of, it has a floating effect when destroyed by card effect, or by AN OPPONENT'S ATTACKING MONSTER so that you can't crash it. Meanwhile Ib/Denglong are super generic that float just by farting in their direction. Now imagine if Poplar placed itself in the S/T Zone when added to hand, Special Summon itself if sent to the GY, then search a card when Special Summoned from the S/T Zone. This is how Gryphon feels like.

officially, anyway. I'm glad Edison and GOAT have thriving communities that have been around for a while.

whoa whoa whoa we had a good time around AGOV release. Unchained was def the strongest (or one of the strongest) but so much other stuff was playable too. SP was just the one big pain point iirc

Superheavy and unchained? Lmao

Only tear was tier 0 then we had fire decks. Every other format in between sure the decks may had a large representation but no where near as dominant as fire and tear was

Tear was the last tier 0 format Kash was close but didn't make it

Kashtira was definitely a tier 0 format. If you say otherwise your delusional

There is also the official "Common Charity" common rarity cards only format. Last time I checked, Lunalight, Traptrix, Tenyi Wyrms and Ninjas were among the best decks there.

​@@sephyrias883Have you heard of Decicive battle at Golgonda

​@@sephyrias883 sounds fun to me!

GOAT: Play Scapegoat, play metamorphosis, tell opponent to "draw the out". If you weren't playing Goat Control as well your only real options were either a one-of Dark Hole, a -1 Raigeki Break or an easily MST-able Skill Drain (Did Lava Golem even exist back then?). There's a reason both metamorphosis and TER were banned after that. TER might be chump change now but back when the only consistent way to remove monsters was to attack over them it was a nightmare. I think people mainly play this format because it predates the introduction of Cyber Dragon, which is a card that gets blamed for kick-starting the constant power creep, and they see it as a "pure" form of the game, when in reality it's nearly as degenerate as some modern formats. Edison and Tengu-Plant seem like really good formats, though.

@@VestedUTuber goat control isn't even the most played deck in goat format tournaments , it's Chaos turbo.

That the thing, the very people who were complaining about $1000 went and bought it after they made their complaints. I don't think you have to outright boycott everything. But if they see people are not buying the upshifted and short printed stuff as much it would have an effect I think.

@@chriswillis4960 prob, if ppl dont buy 1000$ deck, the deck price will reduce so ppl will get it for 700$ so that put the entire community in a dilemma, no one in the community have the power to make all player agree to stop buying product

Konami has a clause with the stores that they're obligated to buy all the stuff they release before any cards get revelead. Not buying products from stores only hurts the local store because konami already sold their products. The problem is much beyond a simple solution like "just don't buy then"

OTS store are basically non-existent here already. Some had to beg a board game store to let THEM do all the work and they can just act as a front and take the profits. It's fucked. The entire country has like 2 stores in the capital that legit still carry and host events. It sucks to have to buy from the local stores just to keep them afloat as well because it's often a 20% extra due to VAT alone compared to cardmarket. Then you have the fact that konami product aside from maybe structure decks and 1 set a year of many is not worth the cardboard it's printed on, let alone the box price. It's already a miracle that people are dedicated enough to this game to keep it going.

@@kqjut3I mean yes thats true, but companies only listen to money at the end of the day. If Konami profits out the ass with X Y or Z they will make more of it and make it even harder to get the good cards next time. So if a game store or whatever distributor works with them says "I dont want to buy anymore my stuff isnt selling" then likely Konami is going to realize people are sick of their shit and make some changes. Companies don't have to be OTS stores, they can easily hold un-sanctioned events for their player base. While I dont understand the exact contractual obligations. I'm sure being an OTS store gives stores a discount on new product, while also ensuring Konami ships X amount of product to them, for better or worse, as well as OTS packs, and promotions like Lost Art.

Only issue with that is that one crazy new piece of support just ends up as the deck’s biggest choke point. And really old archetypes would need a lot more help than just one card. Like the only original Fire King card being played currently is Fire King Island. Even Arvata is legacy support that came out way later. Everything else is just the new stuff, at which point just make a new archetype. If you take a somewhat new archetype you’d need to go the Mathmech route and make the support busted and inherently play around hand traps, which just gets frustrating to play against and even playing with it won’t feel good because you just lose if you don’t open said busted support or a way to get to it.

Generally though, you're gonna want 2 or 3 new high-powered cards. Not every deck can be fixed with a Circular, they're just too old.

The problem with that the end resilt leads to either having one support card that's completely busted in a vacuum, or it leads to a total overhaul of the archetype that sands away everything that made it unique. These decks shouldn't need either just to keep up, the power creep should have never gotten this bad to begin with.

Depend on your locals, in my city the local are with multiple country winner, ycs winner, world player and a very bunch of wcq winner or top i feel the meta and you only go 1-4 or 2-3 at best with a less Tier 2 deck. The previous meta are fun, sadly Edison price does up because ppl getting tired on current format, if you not have friend who play like you cheap fun deck, your just out of the game A sad and good point your comm remind me is, they print a lot of useless card so that make ppl possibility to build deck for 5$

Honestly: this is cope

No lie here 😁

I remember when misprint were more rare than ghost rare, and thus, you can enjoy the novelty of having one for collection. Nowaday, it's such common occurence they feels like indication of how minimal Konami care for their product.

I remember when I used to actually want to have ultimate rares. Now, I couldn't care less. For about a decade they've been trash. It's disgraceful how bad high rarities look.

@@ninezerotwo1778High Rarities look fine to me, but the quality is def lower. Ultras and Supers are worse then ever however. I used to like the way Ultras looked but not they just look glossy and the holofoil looks cheep.

That's how konami operates. They print expensive cards, then reprint them much much later to create good will and more money, and then they just print more expensive cards.

Latest format is by far the most disgusting example of it too. Multiple sets of support, a structure, and gutting the previous format's tiered decks too guarantee a tier 0 meta

Rarity Collection was always going to be merely the bone Konami throws to the consumers to get them to quit yapping for a little while (see: Duel Devastator). They've made a habit of it. Expect the next one in 2 years.

If you have money I'd recomend kashtira. Floowandereeze, invoked shaddoll dogmatika, and despia are also good.

You cant go wrong with Runick. I personally play a Dogmatika brew.

​@@four-en-tee😭😭😭😭 another runick player

Even older archetypes are getting this capabilities. HEROES can now do a Calamity Lock at Home play because of Favorite Contact bringing out Elemental Hero Cosmo Neos during the opponents Draw Phase.

​@@RazielTheUnbornif you got hit by it im sorry man, but dont worry you were just unlucky on this one. Playing Hero, i can tell you that Summon Cosmo is so hard, and require a so precise combo without any interruption, with a good starting hand, that most of time you just cant summon it. But yeah if Konami make him easier to summon many people will seriously hate Hero with this "You dont play" monster.

@@annemarieangue6727 bruh it has happened to me three times now lol...

@@RazielTheUnborn Damn man you're unlucky as fuck!!! Im sorry Cosmo is not fun to play against

I mean it kind of had to turn out this way didn't it (the combo part not the omni negate part). Loading effects onto monsters is nice since they're the only way to actually advance the gamestate, and there's only so much you can do with only spells and traps without running into the same problems. Only way to "fix" it IMO is to add an actual resource mechanic, which is nice but then it's not yugioh anymore

You somehow gotta keep the franchise alive

Seen it happen in league of legends, fortnite and now yugioh. These games start off slow and methodical then ramp up to a fast pace. Seems like the natural evolution of things I guess. I mean, speed chess is a thing.

Edison is a great format. I also recomend hat if you can find a group to play it with

Have you considered actually running interaction or fast decks that have plays on both turns?

​​@@MonkeyFightTCGInteraction just makes my opponent play for longer I find. My goal is to Maximize The Number Of End Phases. THAT is what registers as "fast".

It's faster in the amount of cards played per turn (much higher) and in the number of turns per duel (much lower). Duels used to last dozens of turns, with each turn having one, maybe two summons depending on the deck and then at most two or three spells or traps, and boards either built up gradually or didn't really build at all due to back-and-forth disruption and removal plays. Now you're looking at end-game boards on turn 1 and you're not even guaranteed to be able to play going second.

twice per turn is too little. hell, even my fun decks from 10 years ago special summon more than twice. make it a limit on, lets say, 5.

@@Dr.AvenVon Either way, Banning Summon Limit is NOT the answer.

If they were to do that from this point on, they'd probably be borderline unusable

@@tripleaaabattery8480 ye true. If they ever where to reboot the series this is they way it should be

​@@streetgamer3452So that's how Rush Duel should be then?

@@youtubeuniversity3638 rush duels is entirely it’s own thing at this point

@@streetgamer3452 So is that a Yes or a No?

For Like a straight year since release up untill this current format,they have been anywhere from 'okay' to ' top 5 best decks' ,but that Also changed even from event to event, Watch thelawygo's ygo 2023 recap vid for more info but i remember their Being a part of the year where they went from Like 4+ decks in top 16,to 0,to back in top 16 Again from event to event.

I too like aliens