Predicting Smash Ultimate's Fighters Pass 2... with MATH 

15:21 dude technically sega owns atlus so joker isn't a new rep he's still sega

Jordan Russell if only there were a second video linked somewhere

Backseat Game Development I hope Shadow comes

@@BackseatYT Hey backseat didn't you say Sakura's rules are absolute and considering sakurai said they couldn't get rex into the game before what makes you so sure now

Jordan Russell he said Rex couldn’t be included in the base game so the Mii costume is a consolation prize, which launched with the base game. No reason to believe he couldn’t be in either of the DLCs

Wouldn't mind Professor Oak being playable, if for no other reason than to show he's still got what it takes to be a trainer or Elite 4 member. There's a dummied out bossfight against him in Gen 1.

FINALLY, WHAT WE ALL WANTED

Professor oak would probably be hype

@@goggles8691 more FE would be very hype actually

Nah dude it's gonna be mii fighter skins

If that bird on duck hunt’s alt actually isn’t a female mallard I’m not gonna be happy Alax!

ALAX SEND CAT PICS PLEASE

RelaxAlax hi 👋

What’s good dad

Wait, you're the reason this is blowing up! On an unrelated note, aren't cats more apathetic than math could ever hope to be?

I'll take Geno and Sir Fetch'd, thank you.

im just getting sirfectched

I'll take Sir Fetch'd & Monokuma.

@@Ratspressoh just Geno for me

I`ll take the prince and Ryo please.

The prince is from Minecraft right?

Sirfetch’d is from Final Fantasy Vll, right? Then again, he has a sword

@@sangkim6556 i think thats just so they don't have to put geno in, it checks out

@@jvpro2076 bruh it’s a joke

@@sangkim6556 serperoth checks all of genos boxes though

I want to like your comment but won't cuz its at 69

@@arikaaa69 You can now, it's over 69

@@kaja3932 gave it the like

who put it above 420?

@@additionalgamer4014 the same person who put it above 69

HAHAHAHAHHA

I was legitimately expecting that bait and switch.

Tauros

BVB I would love to have Sigurd in Smash, as a skin for Marth at least.

Oh yeah that would be awesome!

Well, this video became so acurrate so far

nope, not all

oh yeah because clearly 59,7% + 87.2% = 100%

@@alexandremenino2006 do you feel brilliant yet?

@@limitless_j im feling ol rait edit: im not a nativ speker sory if i spel rong edit2: obviously im not that idiot ok

@@alexandremenino2006 He meant that there were two

@@alexandremenino2006 r/woosh

Math never worked for Andrew Yang, no surprise it won't work with Smash either. 😟

Ikr

Dedication

Dedededication

Dededededication

LOOKS LIKE BIRDO IS GETTING HER OWN MOVESET BOYS! *fires party popper*

SHE CAN SHOOT EGGS.

@@BackseatYT more like Party pooper.

I hope birdo gets in game and gets a moveset that would be incredible

Yeah, I find it kinda hard to envision how Birdo would work as a Yoshi echo.

Russell Midgley meh, birdo is a dude so it’s 5/6 accurate

@@FieryCoal Birdo is referred to as female actually.

That’s my profile picture

@@TheLugiaSong Isn't Birdo gay or trans or something?

@@icardian yeah, she's implied to be trans, at least with the Japanese context. I think all suggestion that she's trans was removed in English translations for the western audience (same with Vivian).

Really? It kinda sounds like you don't love it.

But it's all worth it

He's been a long-requested fighter by fans for God's sake!

It was definitely worth it for Genos from one punch man ... Wait a second

S ame

Math is never wrong, didn't you learn anything?

I understand the math, but I do agree, the specific picks were a bit underwhelming and they could have been altered

@@a.cummings1965 yeah I think impa could be a good female pick for example

It must be accurate then lol

The temptation was there.

nice

Just like in a school shooting, lots of teens die in Danganronpa

Its Pico from Newgrounds!

UncomfortablyClose we got joker so still it works

@@freshgarbage1492 your age is showing

Same

This could be the case with Ryo as Shenmue has recently become a joke. Maybe it could be Kazuma Kiryu simply for Yakuza being branded as the fun Shenmue.

@@MatanVil How?

Birdo still fits all the boxes and could easily be an original, non echo fighter

@@jynxx1997 in the same way isabelle's not an echo fighter I like it

ok....

Ok. Have fun with ruining your console just because a few characters got in an overall great game.

You could just not buy the fighters that you don’t like

Guys I think it was ................................. a joke

@@red9933 Lil biiiiiiiiit

Thank you! Sharing it around would help me correct that situation! 😉

RIGHT?!? This is the first video of his I watched and I already subbed

@@jawadelghaddaf6896 same here! 😀

The interpretation of stats is almost arbitrary. This isn't by the math, it's somewhat informed by stats.

@@BackseatYT hey dude I have a question, how would ryo from shenmue be in smash if shenmue wasn't released on a Nintendo system

We know better now

That’s the goal!

If we really wanted to go full "what if" mode; we could use this data and do a branching path style of selection. Then go for each combination of data points to determine who comes up the most and/or who applies best with currents events.

how DARE YOU question math!?

I’m always keeping it funky

The channel is kind of a joke, and you kinda forget that through out most of the video. It all comes flooding back when they make predictions though.

@@ShadeKirby500 the video is kinda ment to be a joke get it right

i cant believe you guys are arguing with the math how foolish

@@knack3381 "the math is never wrong, it's always right. Also please add Waluigi." Albert Einstein

I’m with you...

thats how math works

It’s all jokes

Except geno! We don’t joke about that!

Mathematically Weird half colour teddy bear things that will cause riots

A legacy she continues in Ultimate

He used quite the opposite, actually... Using this kind of math on the roster alone would DEFINITELY not yield the Fighter's Pass we have now.

Honestly I don't understand why you'd go with monokuma when hajime is *way* easier to make a moveset for, because you're more uninhibited with his moveset than with monokuma, because you'd have to have a reason that the character has that move. Which leads me to ask, what would monokuma have? He doesn't really attack at all if you're not looking at UDG, and even then the normal monokuma doesn't even have that much, meanwhile hajime is good at _everything_ so you can give him just about _anything_

Jog Swanson I’d say it’s probably because Monokuma is the mascot for the series. He’s easily the most recognizable and he has an interesting and unique design to him. They could easily give him some movesets that aren’t directly melee based, probably more range based like making poles rise from the ground (Junko’s “death” in the first game), using a bat (Leon’s execution), or throwing random knick knacks like bombs at his opponents (in reference to how many times he explodes) since he is a more defensive creature after all. Tbh I don’t know why they would choose Hajime at all. He has an interesting talent, sure, but he’s kind of a blank slate with no real personality or defining features outside of that. It would be much harder coming up with fitting move sets for him.

lets be honest, danganronpa will never be in smash, *never*

Ok then, just answer this simple question: does Danganronpa have games on Nintendo?

@@anidiot192 Agreed, tho I think Makoto is a little more likely as he is more well known and is a bigger part of the lore. Also I think a rep from the 2nd game instead of the first could happen but seems unlikely

What about mail?

@@DANCERcow that's three genders now

There's two kinds of people in this world: Those who are male and those from Japan. Sakurai is from Japan. -Clint Eastwood

Actually it’s three: •Male •Japan •Dr. Mario

Refrigerator.

Also Lucario is almost officially the one from the anime movie, which was male.

:( Guess it's cooler for Pokémon fans but i liked normal greninja a Lot more

Just turn final smash off.

@@wrpen99 No! This isn't how you're supposed to play the game!

ALink2DFuture people can play the game however they want. I personally prefer items off, omega stage, no smash ball, 3 stock battle. Really shows your skill at its finest.

Just go to the Joker Pack in the eShop. It clearly says "Atlus"

@@jvbon646 I'm just gonna say Joker is a Returning Newcomer publisher.

Atlus is owned by SEGA

If he does he counts in binary while he calculates it

@@codystork3008 "Mr sakurai who's the next fighter? Mr sakurai why are you flipping me off"

i mean, obviously he does

@@codystork3008 he did tease Byleth using binary, so yeah. This man...

Sakurai calculating: *_Puts up gang signs_*

calm down this video is so new, wait a bit.

I mean, none of these characters are _actually_ guaranteed, he just outlined the categories that he used to narrow down the characters, or rather just set up what fighters pass 2 (without any characters) looks like. And by how he laid it out, it leaves room for litterally any character at some point of it.

Yes. Yes I am

You can hear the salt

Me to

BRUH I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING

The disappointment is just further confirmation it will happen.

As I am pretty sure if we do the math, a majority of characters invoked major feelings of disappointment upon their reveal.

Revali

Can I get Nagito in the game? Please? I’ll give my liver

@@musekek3935 Heart? Head? Anything.

Monokuma and Geno in smash would make me one very happy gamer

Musekek Nagito will get a mii costume so he can be with Sans once again

one of his movesets could be how he killed Mukuro with the spear thing

I'm pretty sure Disney doesn't have claim to Sora since he's an original Square Enix character. I could be wrong though.

Disney half the profit of all games sold or no deal.

@@365dayslater9 Disney does own half the rights to sora unfortunately

@@365dayslater9 someone from Nintendo or square enix have actually confirmed that Disney denied access to sora already.

@@mickhailreeves7517 obviously they are just ganna make sure than take out half his character model and replace it with a giant middle finger

Yeah, that makes no sense at all. I don't know how he came to that conclusion.

I'll take Geno and Sir Fetch'd, thank you.

@@Ratspressoh Now now, I'm not saying that this entire list was a joke. Birdo would make sense to be added to Smash, as well as Geno (Geno simply because Sakurai would like to add him in, as well as the massive fan demand he has).

Prince of Persia was the least dumb pick of this list.

@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 "I don't know how he came to that conclusion." Ah, so you didn't watch the video then.

Geno is a good character for smash.

@@impracticaljoe6889 Same with plenty of characters.

@@impracticaljoe6889 So is Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 😡

@@luisreyes1963 No-

"both of which were already represented in smash"

RogersBase Get that voice actor more work!

If Ryo actually gets in, it would be so hype. I've never played any of the Shenmue games, but I've got a general idea about them and also gone through most of the Yakuza series, which is often said to be like a spiritual successor. Not that I'd ever expect Kazuma Kiryu in Smash... *cries*

That would be so awesome!

Number 1 was wrong

Arms Min Min

He got the gender right but that’s a coin toss.

Remember

Miitopian Life thx

Joshua S.G.G. Wyrs from Fire Emblem Heroes

Sufyu Surayma 😂😂😂 yes it was a joke. I know that wyrs isn’t actually from heroes. The funny is how “featured” he is in heroes.

Rayman please the prince of persia spot is close enough just steal the invite Rayman please

Fighting Game/Platformer, Both, East, 90s, Return Pub and Series, Echo: Fighting Polygon Team from Super Smash Bros. It’s an echo for the original 12. Every stock is actually 3 stocks and they have the lowest weight ever in smash. No specials or grabs. I think it just makes sense.

Rayman IS possible with the numbers. The rest of the Fighters Pass just gets tricky to make work, but not out of the question! Keep up hope.

Ok it took several days turning my brain into knots because I refused to let go of a certain character but I think I’ve settled on a plausible list based on the math. The Echo...s: While your solution is amusing, I feel that a) if Samus/Zero suit count as different characters than the 2 origin dates based on a franchise dramatic shifting in another decade doesn't work with the way reps officially count and b) if Nintendo is going to make us pay the same price as original characters for an echo slot, then it might as well be multiple characters. So the 80/00s rep is actually a “both”: Waluigi/Medusa. As much of an utter meme pick as waluigi is he’s clearly the character most suited for echo status and his origin sits in the 00s so make him taller luigi, nix the tether grab, throw in some of daisys smashs/tilts and let the internet implode. Medusas a tad of a cop out as we all know her moveset will be based off modern Palutena so her 80s status comes into question, but bringing back some of Palutenas smash 4 moveset is one of the most productive uses of echos I can think of. The shill pick, I mean the Female: I assume you know how much of a pain this is. Between all the nixed 00s characters that happen to be female and the lack of likely female reps to begin with I had to think long and hard about this in order to keep my most wanted. (to that end sorry, but I couldn't keep the secondary goal of an ambiguous female) Fortunately I found a character I kind of wanted that would work only because Nintendo does do shill picks. BotW was big, BotW2 will be bigger and Zelda will have a more important role in that than perhaps ever before. So lets promote that game with the 2010s incarnation of Zelda who uses the unused rune abilities from BotW, champion abilities and/or whatever else is coming in 2. The 80s: When you mentioned 80/00s my first thought was the prince but my second thought was the far more likely Ryu hyabusa. Platformer, solid moveset, good relationship between companies and one of the last big names of the NES era not repped: the only thing not to love is that it's another dude with a sword. The "both" that should have gotten in instead of byleth: I'm not sure if I care about or want Rex/Pyra but Nintendo will look even worse if they throw pokemon in over these two. Solid male/female duo from the 2010s, with potential for a wonky moveset, gives support to another upcoming franchise and would hopefully make it possible for me to play a xeno character. The platformer: I was going to cheat with Rayman if I could have found a 2010s female rep that didn’t originate from Nintendo, but since that didn’t pan out, I’m actually running low on new series and publishers…what to do? Oh wait, what about the second most requested western character, who happens to be a beloved 90s platformer who recently went through a massive revival and is fairly known in japan? Yeah Crash is totally going to be the BK pick of this pass with just enough gimmick to compare to some of the more bonkers characters. The character I refused to drop: Bamco has a franchise that's bigger than Tales/Tekken combined, has a game on switch and another coming, checks all the remaining boxes of male/90s/RPG and is one of the big gaming rivalries left to resolve. It's time for Agumon to digivolve into battle and show those snobby fans of tiny pocket monsters what universal ending kaiju can do. Agumon has been my pick since the "brave" leak and I think a character with the Vpet life cycle of growth would add crazy dynamics to smash. TLDR Waluigi/Medua, BotW Zelda, Ryu, Rex/Pyra, Crash and Agumon

Based in What You Said, These are My Options for the Pass... 1-Lloyd Irving or Velvet Crowe from the Tales of Series (Action RPG IN BOTH 2D and 3D INSPIRED IN FIGHTING GAMES) 2-Crash Bandicoot from the Crash Bandicoot Series (Platformer, very famous in Both Japan and America) 3-A Pokémon from Pokémon Sword & Shield (The Obvious Pokémon Pick from Nintendo) 4-Sakura from Sakura Wars (A Cross-Genre Game Series, the Dark Horse Pick and Promote Sakura Wars in the West) 5-Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear (The Star IP from Arc System Works, Fighting, Could Appeal to the Elite Fighting Guys) 6-Pyra/Mythra from Xenoblade Chronicles (The Surprise Addition to the Roster, They could use the Transform Mechanic from Sheik/Zelda) Honorable Mentions: Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden (The Last NES Star Needed to be in the Game, Platformer/Action) Doom Guy from DOOM (The West's Favorite Pick for Representation of the First Person Shooter Genre) Rayman from Rayman (Ubisoft's Star and Europe's No. 1 Pick) A New Nintendo IP That's All...for Now

Thanks I was about to comment on this

Suburban Mayo you should that way people are more likely to see it

Palutena: Do you know where Viridi is? Pit: Nope, no idea. Pittoo (I mean) Dark Pit: Hold on, let me try something * clears throat * Piranha Plant Viridi: * busts through wall * *DID SOMEONE SAY PIRANHA PLANT?*

And two other people apparently

Same

A Despair Boi Final Smash is the first execution or the prologue one, one of the two

@@thatoneguy9582 I'd rather see everyone get Leon Kuwata'd We got baseballs, we got a Homerun bat. Let's do this

@@thatoneguy9582 nah, final smash is ball monokuma

Jans the gamer Nah that would be his dash attack.

I could honestly see Monokuma or a Danganronpa rep making it in - It's the series's tenth anniversary this year. - It would be the completely out of left field surprise pick like Joker was. - Tons of spirits and songs to choose from. - Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Sakurai also said he's a fan of Danganronpa in the past (though Nintendo picks the characters from the sounds of things so it really would be up to them, but Sakurai could have some pull. I still doubt it will happen, but I have hope as I'm a huge fan of the Danganronpa series and would love to see it in Smash.

i can see danganronpa getting into smash and it makes me really happy. there's limitless possibilities for what you can do. it would be cool to see a pokémontrailer-like monokuma character in the game, where you can swap between him and the other variants of him throughout the games, and junko is off to the side controlling him. i can also see the various protags getting in too. idk if spike chunsoft would want to bring back danganronpa hype, but it would be good marketing for them because i think they have a new game coming out soon.

Without Geno, the others was not good

Im pretty sure that was the joke, kinda mocking the lengths people go to trying to predict FP2. and also trying to support their odd choices (cough discount pinocchio cough). Also Danganronpa, Shenmue and prince of persia specially would be interesting choices. Though we definetely do NOT need another Pokemon and specially 2 Mario characters (one which only appears in 1 spin off out of 200+ games and has basically no relevance to the series or outside the smash fanbase).

@@kokinfysraviolis1620 we definitely need a swsh rep, but not sir fetchd. Toxtricity is more likely since he is more popular

@@astrowyrm6871 you gotta really do my boi sir'fetchd dirty like that? I mean who in his good mind wouldn't want to play as Sir'fetchd?????!!

@@guzel9823 me, i really dont like sir fetchd's design

It's just a prediction... No one believed Banjo would make it in, and look where they are now. Anything can happen, and anybody has a chance.

Would say doom guy more likely moveset wise (I doubt both will get in )

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