President Snow & Plutarch Heavensbee Political Discussion Scenes | Hunger Games Catching Fire 

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I was thinking the exact same thing 🤣🤣🤣

"shit shit shit shit"

Deleted 25 minute scene. Would’ve made the movie 100x funnier.

“FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK WHAT HAVE I DONE??”

Reminds me of Azula from Avatar, but obviously Plutarch is heroic instead of vile. "You were never even a player." Snow was savvy, knew much of politics, but his hold on power died when he leaned too far into his own sense of superiority.

@@NormDeMoss Thing is is whole big brain plan would have lead to Coin in power no better possibly worse than snow.

@@Ay-xq7mj im guessing that he was gambling on Coin not being an asshole

@@Ay-xq7mj Plutarch said in the end that he expected Coin to take care of her. It was in her letter. Regardless, I am sure Plutarch would have gotten rid of Coin one way or another even without Katniss. If he can play Snow, surely he can play Coin. lol

Snow would still poisoned him later on.

Atleast Donald died of old age,what Philip did, however, was really sad

Come on everyone blow up the comments that both men are now officially gone with Donald Sutherland, who passed away sometime during this administration

@@xnibbybooksavagewhat?

@@Nikp117 look at what I said in the comment section thanks. It’s just me giving an update to Donald Sutherland

omg.... i forgot theyre both gone now :(

And they say nobody wins the games.

Plutarch is obviously setting himself up to rule Panem - at least behind the curtain. He's the media director, which means he can effectively dictate all information flow, and produce propaganda such that he will always win elections

He's like Peter Baelish from Game of Thrones but on the good side.

@@wickdaline8668 So Varys..

He didn't know Katniss would kill Coin, he just didn't care. Plutarch doesn't even get any kind of upgraded position from Coin's death, although there's some minor implications that Plutarch didn't like her

Boss moves 🙏🏾🙏🏾

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I’ve noticed in every film/book involving a dictator Like Snow, it’s always the brutal sweet talk that wins them over. They always want to be “one up’d” on their ideas. Plutarch was perfect for that.

Professor Snape to Voldemort vibes

@@zenitsuthunder3946 Good comparison. Didn’t think of that

No Lucy is the mockingbird, snow would be the jabber jay. And because of their actions katniss would set off the revolution.

Katniss and Lucy Gray had almost nothing in common as people… but the one thing they both had was the power to set the world on fire. Neither girl sought it… she just had it.

super girl is super hot

You think Lucy Gray escaped? It really was left open, wasn’t it…

@@Kick-z3l i like to think she for several reasons.

KatnissEverdeen1979 representing district 1 Temple Grandin representing district 1.... the rebellion is spreading! We will rebuild the Jedi Order!

Seneca Crane was a new gamemaster, and was executed for his failings.

@@angelrios5897 Well, technically, it was Seneca Crane's 3rd games. So not exactly new.

we shall see in the prequel, that Heavensbee is a powerful family name in the Capitol.

but it's understandable. Seneca Crane was much younger and his domain was spectacle, not politics. Plutarch was much closer to Snow and had been around the powerful people at the Capitol for far longer.

I fucking miss him so much

Rip to him. I saw him in Charlie Wilson’s war he was great playing a CIA agent too

I wish Philip was still alive 😢 💔 he could have played more legendary characters

Heroin is evil, and all drug heads should be imprisoned

@MrTsiolkovsky Drugs are evil

I guess because Suzanne Collins was involved in writing the screenplay. The best adaptations always include the original writer’s input.

So far, so good with the new Dune...

she wasn't actually, she cowrote the script for the first film but not for the rest

A to the Meeen

No, there are many others like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings to name a few

Also the head shaking at 0:42 I love the detail of Snow changing his mind.

Oh yeah that's a good one too@@chrishandsome9320

Than you have Plutarch as a complex game maker and puppet master.

Exactly

And people who say MJ part 1 is underrated because it was a political thriller miss the fact that it was just Katniss looking at screens for like 5 scenes over and over without much substance happening making it boring and dull. Unlike Catching Fire.

CF was my favorite as well. Love how it becomes so much grander than the first HG

He is honestly such a great actor and missed I love seeing him when I rewatch stuff or watch movies I haven't seen before

I'm still angry at him and Paylor for covering up Coin's crimes and banishing Katniss, making her out to be a mentally unstable disgrace. Ruined her reputation.

@@kevinthunder3375 they needed stability i guess.

@@Godfrey544 i think that was Plutarch's idea than Paylor

KatnissEverdeen1979 representing district 1 Temple Grandin representing district 1.... the rebellion is spreading! We will rebuild the Jedi Order!

@@ericwilson6994what

@@milesjolly6173 It's a real game vampires play on Mars 2033 Temple Grandin Representing District 1 to free the souls of hell

Brilliant!

He wanted a smart one who agreed with him

I don't understand you. Deploying hundreds of thousands of siberians to the meat grinder is celebrated by your icon, do you root for the Capitol in these movies?

@@occono3543 bud, I was born in Russia and came here when I was 3. I’ve had that as my profile pic since I was 12 when my stepdad got me back into learning my native language and history about the town I was born in.And no I’m not a supporter of war of any kind. You might wanna cover up; your prejudice is showing. 🤡

@@occono3543 bud, I was born in Russia and came to the US when I was 3. Just because I’m Russian doesn’t mean I blindly believe in what a Russian leader is doing. Maybe you should get off the RU-vid conspiracy channels and learn how the world actually works. Now go back in your hobbit hole and cover back up now that your prejudice is showing.

KatnissEverdeen1979 representing district 1 Temple Grandin representing district 1.... the rebellion is spreading! We will rebuild the Jedi Order!

I'm also thinking as the ballad of songbirds and snakes have come out too that the movking jaya metaphor can also refer to and that is if Katniss is related to Lucy Gray that maybe while corio left the capital and fell in love with Lucy they had a child so like a jabberjay leaving the capital and mating with a movking bird to create the mockingjay and eventually Katniss.

What are you talking about?

And makes more sense in the prequel, or I thought the prequel addresses that very well.

@@SH-zh8ehNo, he would be too old to be her father, maybe her grandpa.

Wait what did he really mean? “Enjoy your last days before you die?”

​@@NiennaFan1I myself was thinking more along the lines of "Relax and let your guard down. It's going to be a wild ride."

Era en lo que la nieve se pudo haber convertido

Plutarch is like Prigozhin and Snow is like Putin.

What are you talking about? The last scene of this very video shows him being an integral part of the revolution.

@@blarbkanopcious4243Oh yes! Absolutely. But that scene takes place at the end of the movie. It isn't until the end that the audience is supposed to realize Plutarch is something of a double agent. I've even had people tell me they didn't fully trust him until they saw the third movie. For most of the movie, Plutarch is seen scheming with Snow--actually, most of this very video shows him giving ideas to subdue Katniss. Those who hadn't read the books had every right to be suspicious and downright distrustful of Plutarch. Those who read the book knew every suggestion to Snow had a double meaning, all for the rebels' eventual success.

@@cirrusB612 Ohhh I see what you what you mean, I’m sorry. I assumed you were talking about each of book-firsters’ and movie-firsters’ experiences of whichever Catching Fire they read/watched first, but you were actually talking about each of their experiences of watching Catching Fire the movie. My bad completely. I’ve read and watched all the Hunger Games, but I watched the movies first, so I had the experience you described watching Catching Fire, but then knew all along who Plutarch was reading it. My dad, also a movie-firster, actually figured out Plutarch was a rebel before it was revealed, which was pretty cool. I’m curious, you as a book-firster, what did you think of Plutarch your first time reading Catching Fire before it was made clear he was a rebel?

Agreed. Phillip Seymour-Hoffman played Plutarch like a master. I've never read beyond the first book(which was quite good), but I have seen all of the movies. All the way up until the final twist, I figured that Heavensbee was a villain considerably more cunning than Seneca. Turned out he was playing Snow like a fiddle the whole time.

@@blarbkanopcious4243 I never really understood him, I don't think. Plutarch isn't as involved in the book as he is in the movie, though I imagine that now I could re-read the book and see the entire arena as an extension of Plutarch's will. But I will say that when that mockingjay flashed on his watch, I knew that he was on Katniss' side. Maybe not a rebel himself, but on her side as a supporter, like Effie, kinda. He was still Head Gamemaker, though, which meant that at the end of the day, he was still under Snow's order. So I kinda shrugged and hoped that his meeting with Katniss would mean something by the end of the book. Glad I was right.

Ironically the smarter the person, with power, the easier it is to trip them up as they gain arrogance.

@@TheWPhilosopher Tywin is an example of this. He underestimates the threat of Daenerys (even Joffrey said they should act against her). He also didn't think Jamie would try to save his beloved brother

Snow has too much Hubris.

the same way normally snow would have seen coin coming, he was too focused on killing katniss he was blind to the treachery around him

I imagine Plutarch saying "checkmate"😂

Yes. That was awesome.

I could also picture blue checks and checkmate as well. I could picture that.

And Seymour was half Donald's age. Died too soon

You will too, as will I, and everyone else.

Hence why the Capitol looks like pride month all year long it’s either accept their truth or get the hell out if you think any differently expect violence from their peaceful peacekeepers I mean peaceful protesters 😂 this movie made me scared of the future and now it’s slowly coming true 😅

@@geminiangel63 We are not your enemy. We are just like you. Just because we decide to express ourselves differently, or believe different things, or love different people or identify a different way... does not mean we are your enemy. These things are superficial and ultimately meaningless in the face of what really matters. Violence is not okay, but you seem to only be seeing the violence being done on those who you interpret as your "tribe" by those you interpret as your "enemy". There is violence being done on all manners of people for all kinds of nonsensical and flat out insane reasons. But there are very, very clever people who prey on your (and my own) natural instinct to make enemies out of others. These instincts are there to protect us but they are incredibly misleading and often blind people to the ultimate truth that we are not enemies. I wish you no harm, and I sure as hell hope that you don't wish me any. I think you're angry at the concept of LGBTQ+ people, but if you got to know many individuals who fit under those labels you would find that you aren't able to hate us as strongly as before. There are people in all sorts of demographics who are violent towards those they don't agree with, that is one of the biggest failings of humanity. But ultimately, the political focus on queer people (ESPECIALLY transgender people) right now is a manipulation tactic. There are some very clever people who are trying to deflect attention away from something huge. The spotlight on trans people right now is unusually intense. It wouldn't be the first time in history politicians used a particular group of people as a scapegoat for their own gains. Please, regardless of what you believe, do not fall into the trap of letting yourself get so angry you can't see certain people as people anymore. And believe you me, no matter how kind or intelligent a person is, it is so easy to fall into that trap. You could easily be caught in it right now and not realise. Anyway, do not fear the future that does not yet exist. Let's be the sort of people who help build the kind of future that benefits all and ensures everyone's safety and freedom is maintained, regardless of personal beliefs or (meaningless) labels. We might not be able to control everything, but we CAN control ourselves and how we respond to and treat others. So we can start from there.

@@fabplays6559 I’m bisexual and used to be on the left, part of the LGBTQ community, pro choice, and believed I was oppressed because I was brown so I was a full left wing liberal however their behavior pushed me more conservative 😅 so I stand by my statement this is our future and I hope to be dead before it gets like this

@@geminiangel63If all it takes is a few bad apples for you to disavow marriage equality and equal protection under the law, that's pretty sad😂

@@devchekhov7512 went over your head huh?

Who are they playing?

​@@brennathecatlover4360 Peter Dinklage played Dean Casca Highbottom, and Viola Davis played Head Gamemaker Dr Volumnia Gaul.

This aged beautifully, both of them knocked it out of the park, IMHO.

@@Summersong2262 100% agree!

Mine too!

Still not sure why the power went out, though. Maybe Plutarch? The arenas are elsewhere, spread across the country and aren't in the Capitol, and the Gamemakers aren't right next door.

​@@kevinthunder3375because of the Force Field, the entire arena have massive Force Field and this takes a lot of energy. In the training center scene, Beetee (District 3 tribute who won by electrocute all of his enemy and also designed so many tech that was used by the Capitol) he mentioned to Katniss about the flickering because Force Field takes alot of energy. His original plan we're to stuck a wire into the Force Field and when the lightning hit it gonna short-circuit the entire arena for a hovercraft to pick them up, but he electrocute himself when he try to push a log with wires into the force field thats why he passed out just like when Petaa hitting the Force Field.

@@scaryghost5721 yes, but presumably the Arena was in a completely different part of the country so it wouldn't rely on the same power grid or whatever. Or shouldn't. Talk about a major infrastructure flaw.

I suspect Plutarch realized it was Coin who killed Prim and didn’t want to upset Katniss by planting any ideas in her head, rather he simply let Snow convince her of the truth and for her to piece together on her own. Plutarch said himself that the Mockingjay won’t take suggestions from anyone.

@thatperformer3879 I think the other person was wondering if Snow and Plutarch talked themselves, not with Katniss

That is exactly why I love the quote. “Moves and counter moves.” It sums up Plutarchs character perfectly. He’s always one step ahead

R.I.P. To both

Also when his proxies call the names of the tributes they always come when called, not anymore

Ha, it sounds like he would've used his middle name too if he knew it

Not really

​@@mramos1126they did.

Exactly…and Plutarch was a games maker…the best…So good he even played the president of it like a fiddle

That's apart of it, he needed the districts involved for the revolution to work but he also needed Katniss to be the Mockingjay because of her rebellious nature and being loved by the people

Yes. Snow was completely correct from the first scene, kill the hope

@@fort809 And hell, Plutarch's plans for Snow could have worked. If Katniss had killed Finnick, then Plutarch's predictions would have likely come true. But she didn't, and that was the crucial part.

Yes, he encouraged Snow's natural instincts toward greater brutality to force a general rebellion spearheaded by District 13, which then presented itself as the decent and humane alternative to the Capitol. If Snow had had better advisors he would have started making real concessions before the riots spiralled out of control.

​@@tompearce5418what kind of concessions?

That is how good an actor is, you give them a role and they make it come to life. That is a true artist.

I mean I would assume he knew their was a high chance it wouldn’t succeed which is why he put as much ducks in order as he could. He assembled Allies in the tributes and others to help their odds some, he got himself into the highest position below Snow to influence as much as possible. So he probably realized the odds weren’t in their favor but played the game masterfully to give them a better chance.

😂 The magic of fiction!

@@Loganbub his plan seemed more feasible and reactionary than Dumbledore's.

i mean, not really. establishing katniss as the mockingjay certainly was his preferred-outcome, but he seemed pretty prepared for her death, too. i dont think it's unfeasible to imagine he wouldve positioned her as a martyr (given a lot of the things he says regarding her sway on the people, and what coin ultimately ends up attempting). nevertheless though, he did a lot more to ensure katniss' safety than dumbledore did harry's. as the comment below u mentions, he and haymitch meticulously-curated allies within the tributes who were prepared to protect katniss and peeta in the arena (we even see this in the case of the female morphling and mags - who literally sacrificed their lives for them). likewise, a lot of his manipulation of snow revolved around stalling for time - the film immediately establishes that snow wanted to kill katniss for her transgressions the second she inspires enough hope in the districts for the rebellion to start to pick up. everytime this happens, plutarch steps in to convince snow to be patient and go along w whatever smear-campaign he proposes for katniss, instead - buying time to get her out and make snow lose track of her before he has the opportunity to execute her

@@zaddyfaye6880 Agreed!

yeah he used to be a peacekeeper in district 12, its crazy to think how his story would have been different if he hadnt gotten his best friend killed on both accident and purpose 😭

Watched the movie yesterday (Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes) and in the beginning, Snow seemed actually a somewhat likeable guy; he did help Lucy win the Games. But even then, he still saw the districts as subhuman and turned on Sejanus. Why? Partially for self preservation. For his own survival. But also because of power and control issues. He still has a wrong philosophy as seeing the districts as unruly children to be managed and controlled with brutal means and by his presidency, he is shown to be a snake.

Speaking from experience? 😂😂

@@jamiengo2343 nope . been married for 10 years bestie . nice try being a pos though 😉

@@sarahw1179 I try my best :)

He was in Twister, too

Please I can't 🤣

Plutarch became Secretary of Communications after the war.

We may well get one sooner than later. March 18, maybe?

Yeah the broadcast for the people stopped there not for him

It’s a deleted scene yes, it was in the book I’m pretty sure

About the jabberjays it’s a deleted scene but it’s in the books

Yeah never remembered I've seen that scene before either.

Katniss in the books makes mention of how the mockingjay came to be; as mentioned, they were the result of an instrument of espionage flipped on the Capitol, and so the rebels adopted the mockingjay as a last finger to them.

I guess he has a weakness for people who are thinkers

I also thought the 2nd movie was excellent, even better than the 1st since there were more interesting characters and clearly a higher budget for the overall production. The Mockingjay movie was spliced into two parts and greatly resembled the Harry Potter movies to me. Just felt like watching part of a movie.