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Entering the world of 21st Century gypsy and traveller weddings, where ancient traditions meet modern fashions in an ostentatious culture clash, this film follows four gypsy and traveller families on their wedding day.
Considered ‘on the shelf’ at 20, in gypsy and traveller communities many girls get married soon after their 16th birthday with the support of their family.
The weddings are visual spectacles: brides and their families compete to have the most flamboyant dresses; girls parade into church in enormous dresses that sometimes weigh more than the bride herself.
Although the women look sexually provocative there is a tradition of premarital chastity that is increasingly unusual in Britain today.
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@paolaree8004
@paolaree8004 Год назад
Disney princesses are popular theme with traveler brides? Makes sense because the brides are literal CHILDREN.
@Kruhee
@Kruhee Год назад
There's a difference between saying you don't want to give a date and giving a false date. You can be secretive without screwing someone over.
@ttintagel
@ttintagel Год назад
Yeah, while I completely understand her motivation that was carrying things too far, especially when it hurt someone who'd gone out of her way to make accommodations.
@Kruhee
@Kruhee Год назад
@@ttintagel Exactly, I understand it's very hard for a young lady to have this pressure hanging over her head and that potentially losing your venue is not a great feeling, it's unfair. But being in a bad situation isn't a pass to be disrespectful to someone else. Especially someone who you want service from.
@alysonm1289
@alysonm1289 Год назад
Yep!
@embadly
@embadly Год назад
Agreed. It’s almost like someone getting into a relationship after constantly being hurt or fucked over. It isn’t that current bf or gf’s fault for all that, but people sometimes can’t help but not be able to trust these new people or be scared to open up. It doesn’t make it right that they just have trust issues from others and not them but they also shouldn’t take it out in them yk? That’s the best way I can explain it. They also shouldn’t uphold their reputation proudly when every person or business doesnt want anything to do w them. just like one can’t blame all men/women for one or a few bad ones.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@embadly Be like King David and own it. Travellers never take responsibility. That is why their "reputations" are dirty. Gypsy honour? They have the most debase morals.
@miamilano1257
@miamilano1257 Год назад
A 2 week journey and then having your wife drive u for food was the most unnecessary thing ever😭
@cindycollins4040
@cindycollins4040 Год назад
There you go, being so understanding of traditions, strange way to be
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@cindycollins4040 The "muh culture" card. Just because you claim a culture, doesn't mean everyone has to tiptoe the non-sense.
@cindycollins4040
@cindycollins4040 Год назад
@@anthonyhassett problem is, they aren't going to change, and trying not to let it bother you and live in peace, best of luck to you
@cindycollins4040
@cindycollins4040 Год назад
@@anthonyhassett go take a chill pill, geez
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@cindycollins4040 I will when you bring back my dog Rex a little jack Russell terrier your lot took for baiting for dog fighting.
@hannahroseadventures
@hannahroseadventures Год назад
The fact that the guy was waiting for his wife to bring him food astonished me. Why couldn't they just get food themselves at a fast food place? He made his wife drive to them to bring them all food, that is ridiculous.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
The wife is a trained domestic house slave
@jeannabuccini5679
@jeannabuccini5679 Год назад
I’m sure his wife was happy to do it. Why do you care so much seems kinda sad.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@jeannabuccini5679 it's pitiful looking at a grown man who doesn't have the skill set to look after himself for a few days.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@jeannabuccini5679 Because you would call me a misogynist if I didnt. But it is rather pitiful to see a full grown man who doesn't have basic life skills.
@Salomeii
@Salomeii Год назад
So true and then talking about her as if she's the idiot. smh rude!
@avacadotoast5492
@avacadotoast5492 Год назад
Geez. The poor dress maker was defending the tavelers sooo much, then she got scammed by them.💀
@kimgrattage6049
@kimgrattage6049 3 месяца назад
That Irish bride to be had no right to scam Thelma who follows every bride to be's wishes.that Irish brides's mother should be forced to pay back all the money she cost you and your other colleague back for trav tickets,the hotel and underskirt costing over £2,000 and banned from having any asociation with Thelma and her team. They have NEVER disclosed private business of the families she has helped. She has been the soul of discretion, that's why l travelller girls hire her because they trust her and she makes them the dresses they ask for which are beautiful. Many of the girls are lovely people and so grateful to Tbelma for her hard work and dedication to give them the the weddingday of their dreams. For one bride the team worked non stop alll day and right. The young lady was so greateful that they did that she was I tears of joy that they did that for her. Stick to the traveller brides In UK Thelma, both English and Irish in the here who are thankful for your hard work She has never disclosed private information about any of you giving permission to do so. She respects your right to privacy. Keep up the good work, your loyal customers know you can be trusted. Sue that mother and daughter in Ireland for your money back, you have many satisfied customers fighting your corner. Not only did they cheat you, but also your loyal workmates too. The girls here have never done that to you. Only do work for those in Ireland that the girls here can vouch for, sure they would hate you see you a ripped off. Your customers are a tight knit friendly bunch of girls always happy for each others success, that's the sign of a kind soul. They look out for each other. Please ask them to wear seat belts in the cars while travelling, especially little lite girls, worries me when they don't, don't want to see any of them hurt in a crash.
@Spookystoriesbylia
@Spookystoriesbylia 24 дня назад
she got scammed by one person who just happens to be a travler. the majority of travelers she works with don't do this role her
@marli3887
@marli3887 Год назад
I feel like it’s lost on the traveling community that the reason they get “shunned” from society isn’t because people are prejudiced against gypsies. It’s because the community actively commits human rights violations on a regular basis. Pulling children out of school to get married at 14, looking the other way when women get raped or abused, so many terrible instances. That’s why they aren’t “accepted” and it’s wild that they re so blind to it. The whole thing is very sad.
@megansarat
@megansarat Год назад
Definition of bigotry - obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. You can defend bigotry all you want but to judge and entire group of people because of your assumptions of their lifestyle and their actions is bigotry, end of story!
@marli3887
@marli3887 Год назад
@@megansarat so I’m a bigot because I don’t condone child rape? Lmao you need help girl.
@marli3887
@marli3887 Год назад
@@megansarat also are you deaf? It’s not an assumption. They’re straight up telling you that they do this and they’re proud of it.
@mia-mf5xt
@mia-mf5xt Год назад
@@megansarat I’m not being funny but it’s true. I’ve had many Gypsies come into our towns every year and I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with them. All the things said above are true. It’s absolutely a fact that they take girls out of education at 11, if not younger, that’s not only illegal but extremely sexist, leading to girls having to rely on the men in their lives as they have no independence. Any other group who have done this in the past have been penalized and written in the history books as the bad guys, it’s worth thinking about that when u try and stick up for them. Yes some r different but that’s a minority not the majority. It’s their culture/tradition to do this.
@_kikizaman_
@_kikizaman_ Год назад
Thank you!
@ichimichael111
@ichimichael111 Год назад
I do agree with Thelma though, she has a business to run.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Well she can show them in the future by refusing to dress her sisters and cousins. All she needs to say is the lead time is too short (as the assembly deadlines always are). That will put manners on them.
@kerryhemans8019
@kerryhemans8019 Год назад
If my husband rang me to heat up and bring stew 10 miles and a few hours away for him to say "I just want a very small bit" I think I'd want to bury him where he stood!!!😂
@kimgrattage6049
@kimgrattage6049 3 месяца назад
He's a lazy, arrogant good for nothing . In all my 35 years married to my late husband of 10 years passed away, he not only looked after our kids but me to after endless surgery. He washed, ironed, cooked and cleaned, and went to work leaving relatives with me who worked without word of complaint to care for and the boys we took our vows seriously.for me as stated in sickness and in health. Called love and respect. When we found out he had stage 4 cancer I brought him home from hospital and nursed him myself despite being seriously I'll myself with a bad Crohn's flare up, he was more Important. he died a week and a half after leaving hospital with me his brother and our middle son and Marie Curie Nurse. Our other sons' were, our were away, one at work conference in Scotland and youngest working in London, both arrived home next day as it was after 10pm at night when he died and last trains had already left. None of us new he would die that night, he was given month, he told the. To go to work as normal, he had plenty of time so he thought. The ladies should have told her husband to get off his backside and cook his own tea. I'd have hit him with a cast iron skillet and put him in hospita wlhile I packed and left him.A REAL man would have prepared me a meal and fed our kids and, not send me out for food. I never married again or dated after be died, still married to him until I die and join him in Heaven, at 65 I expect it will be in next 20 years all being well. All women I our female family members lived to late 90.s, tough ladies.
@lizmuhl4846
@lizmuhl4846 Год назад
Your loud and unruly in a hotel you get kicked out. So be respectful during your stay and you wouldn't get kicked out! It's seriously not hard!
@bethewalt7385
@bethewalt7385 Год назад
Not difficult at all, but correct grammar and structure seem to be...
@k_j_n1242
@k_j_n1242 Год назад
​​@@bethewalt7385 Grammar and spelling is what you're focused on here!? 😂 Bore off 🥱😴
@k_j_n1242
@k_j_n1242 Год назад
You're right, it really isn't hard. They play the victim, but they display bad behaviour and then cry discrimination. Try not being an arsehole and maybe people wouldn't think you're an arsehole. It really is very simple
@kimgrattage6049
@kimgrattage6049 3 месяца назад
Few bad apples spoiĺ it for the well behaved, so sad for the nice ones. I get 3 at a hotel In Chestsr around I years ago, a mum and 2 daughters on a shopping weekend. They saw md sitting g alone and inviited me to join them, nicest ladies I'd, polite, caring and genuine.they td me straight away that they were travellers, and hoped I was'nt put off,I said no, did'nt bother me at all and it wa kind of them to ask me over as I was feeling lonely on my own. They were staying t nother hotel but stopped off for coffee into eone I popped information pot of tea. They were ready I tested In mysight seeing tour around the city andkedbout as of interest. Said try tbe Cathedral as they are very religious. The Ro.an Gardens that took you downtown river Dee for boat trips, facing it was nice it was a gastropub, Easily the nicest ladies I had ever told them to visit for meal and drink. I am a sociable lady and never judge a book by its cover If people are polite to me I return the compliment. Good manners cost nothing. Wish I'd booked extra night but all hotels B&B'S all fully booked for Chester rorses races, she never got more time with them. They even paid for a taxi to railway station for train home. Often think aboutt them anď wonder how they are? Not all travellers are the same, the older ones'splus30
@MsTellitlikeitis48WithTheTea
This is the reason why a lot of dressmakers and venues, etc. do not want to deal with travelers or gypsies etc. because of issues like this. For every event that I’ve seen, they literally destroy peoples property and cause people like dressmakers and venue owners millions and millions of dollars in repairs, etc . Everyone is saying that they are a headache.
@SkeletonHats
@SkeletonHats Год назад
i don't know what the family expected by not telling them the venue or the date. How else were they meant to come and dress everybody? Did they seriously think they'd be able to drop everything at a moment's notice if they only got the details the day before? That's just plain stupid. She should have let them try only give her 1 night's notice and then told them she wouldn't be able to get over there in time. I get that they're tryna be secretive but that is just stupid, inconsiderate and completely unrealistic
@kathrynharker3986
@kathrynharker3986 Год назад
It is a pile of crap
@madisblunts
@madisblunts Год назад
honestly! i get why Thelma’s hurt over the whole situation but once she said she didnt “trust” them i already knew what they thought about her she should’ve said something different ykk
@karinaashmon
@karinaashmon Год назад
they would be dressing themselves tell mom here's your dresses and we are done. I have other brides.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
They should have trusted Thelma with the dates without giving the exact venue. Northern Ireland is a small place where a last minute notification wouldn't make a big difference. Where a date would.
@cornonthecob644
@cornonthecob644 Год назад
Dude some romani brides give the dress makers 10 frikin days to make a huge dress before the wedding, complete bs
@FleurCoutureFloral
@FleurCoutureFloral Год назад
Poor Thelma, not surprised she's raging, she's always bent over backwards to help those girls, even helping them plan weddings, no reason to distrust her surely.
@woe.be.gone.beauty
@woe.be.gone.beauty Год назад
“They’re trying to be low key” as a bridesmaid walks into frame in a hot pink dress. Epic 😂
@jaclynmiles8447
@jaclynmiles8447 Год назад
“I’m a private person” says the girl on a television show
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Yeah tinkers will shake their ass for money and worry about the morality later
@oodell160
@oodell160 Год назад
Reading between the lines, the family who lied about the date, with the mother who refused to be filmed, might have criminal links. That they were afraid the wedding information, or guest list, would get back to the authorities perhaps.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
There is guaranteed trouble at that wedding. If they are found out the hotel will cancel, the staff will refuse to work and the venue will be cancelled.
@portiawilliams2554
@portiawilliams2554 Год назад
They aren't criminals it's just a culture
@k_j_n1242
@k_j_n1242 Год назад
​@@portiawilliams2554 Stealing and destroying is not a cultural thing, it's criminal. Stop trying to wrap bad and criminal behaviour up in the word 'cultural'. Female genital mutilation is also cultural, doesn't make it right.
@janedeane3656
@janedeane3656 2 месяца назад
Sorry to say but a lot of accounts suggest that this is the reason that they are travellers....because they were once settled people who insisted on indulging in criminal behaviour in different spheres of life and were no longer acccepted so they realized that if they could not be found out, they could do whatever they want. Ive heard they never pay full price and if they are denied services or products they find a way to 'pay themselves back'.
@lolabelle4959
@lolabelle4959 Месяц назад
​@@portiawilliams2554they r always on the rob, isn't stealing criminal?!
@user-rv1wf6sd4p
@user-rv1wf6sd4p Год назад
Throwing food at each other in a public resteraunt is so disrespectful especially for other people eating there
@jackysjournals6320
@jackysjournals6320 Год назад
Child speaking to member of the club “she’s getting married you jackass” - and they wonder why they’re not popular????🤣
@gilliantill1214
@gilliantill1214 Год назад
Thelma sticks up for them because she makes a lot of money from them.
@Marymackthequeenofwack
@Marymackthequeenofwack Год назад
My question is the daughters are raising their siblings starting at a very young age, what are the mother's doing all day?
@tsummer2341
@tsummer2341 Год назад
My question, also. If the daughters are in charge of the children and keeping the house clean, what does the mother do all day?
@katsarethebest9465
@katsarethebest9465 Год назад
Make more siblings
@117Pinkyflower
@117Pinkyflower Год назад
@@katsarethebest9465 😂 probably the truth!
@117Pinkyflower
@117Pinkyflower Год назад
Why doesn’t someone build a venue that caters to Gypsies? You could make some bucks!
@katsarethebest9465
@katsarethebest9465 Год назад
@@117Pinkyflower im sure its complicated. With permits, vendors and such not wanting to have business with them could be hard. Im sure there are ways to get around it but i dunno. I don't live in england to say for sure.
@seasmacfarlane6418
@seasmacfarlane6418 Год назад
Does it not occur to these people that the reluctance to accept them has nothing to do with cultural discrimination and everything to do with the expense involved in repairing the damage that is done by their disrespect and disregard for other people's property? If anyone doubts this, just visit a place the day after travellers have left ...........
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
You for to mention assaulting minimum wage staff in catering. Another reason to get out of the catering business.
@carolinemarchand4743
@carolinemarchand4743 4 месяца назад
when you watch the show, you realise that they never feel responsible for anything they do wrong... they always play the victim card! so no it won't occur to them...
@batdad34
@batdad34 Год назад
That authentic bowed top wagon is absolutely gorgeous. I would love to see that in person
@mikivanduyn9630
@mikivanduyn9630 Год назад
i would love to travel in one of those...just for a vacation.
@valgrubbs9745
@valgrubbs9745 Год назад
Me as well
@georginaohara42
@georginaohara42 Год назад
My Great Grandfather refused to stay in a “static home” in the early 1900’s. His wife & family lived indoors & Ned lived in his wagon on the hill outside.
@jamieobryan9772
@jamieobryan9772 Год назад
I truly find travelers interesting. Whether I agree with them or not I love learning about different cultures.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Have you looked at a career in sociology or social science?
@chrisgima9544
@chrisgima9544 Год назад
I know me to i think it's good to keep values weather they seem old fashioned or not I think outsiders would expect them more if they didn't have to fight at ever event I see how clean they keep their homes but the outside always seems so gross
@honeymcdonald9120
@honeymcdonald9120 Год назад
That is no culture - just a gang that has survived by being thugs
@maryreilly5092
@maryreilly5092 Год назад
Oh they are interesting.
@valgrubbs9745
@valgrubbs9745 Год назад
I do as well
@MiffetBlue
@MiffetBlue Год назад
There has to be a reason why places don’t want to associate with travellers, and it’s not just that they’re travellers. My guess is it’s because they’re disrespectful and destructive. Why else would a venue not want them there. They just said that a large number of them were arrested at the horse fair the previous year and now friends of the bride were kicked out of a hotel due to their behaviour. They’re not innocent victims of ridicule at all. They have a reputation and unfortunately they got it on their own. Now they have to live with the repercussions and consequences.
@leighcarlson87
@leighcarlson87 Год назад
It’s not just blind prejudice.
@pkk639
@pkk639 Год назад
@@leighcarlson87 no its not!!! They steal, they fight, they have no respect for anyone or anything!! How much experience have you had with travellers? The kids shit anywhere they want, LITERALLY. I had loads move in on an open area near me and their kids ran riot on people's garden, shit in the lifts of nearby flats which the elderly and mother's with babies and toddlers had to use to get to their flats, they were fighting with each other, throwing each others shoes over into people's gardens, pulling up their flowers and plants, they stole everything that wasn't nailed down and simply destroyed everything they could for no reason other than they could. The kids spat at us, swore at us even though we said and did nothing to them, local children were beaten up and when they were thankfully finally moved on, they left tons of rubbish strewn all over the open area. They were the most vile, disrespectful people I have ever seen in my life and yet they act like victims who are bullied and condemned just for their lifestyle and take zero responsibility asto why people close their businesses to them!! You and so many others on here are plain stupid and ignorant. They aren't these amazing, wonderful community of people, this isn't a glamorous, exciting lifestyle, its ravaged by sexual abuse on children, domestic violence on woman, no education for children, girls who are taught to clean a caravan all day, raise their siblibgs as "practice" for their own future children, there's "grabbing", they dress their toddler daughters like hookers and they dance like lap dancers so that they can meet a man and get married at 16 yrs old just for some excitement in their boring lives. Instead, they marry and their husbands bugger off out all day cheating with other women, ripping people off and drinking. Its a lonely life for a woman whilst the unskilled men that rip off elderly and vulnerable doing piss poor, unnecessary work on roofs, tarmacing etc they don't pay taxes, they don't pay bills, they don't pay for anything and rip off honest hardworking businesses and steal from shops!! Do your research before you label those that KNOW the truth as ignorant because the only one that's ignorant and blind is YOU!!
@Jerseybaby19
@Jerseybaby19 Год назад
Lol I'll explain why. I run a party business where I do candy carts, seat covers, centre pieces,back drops etc for occasions. I did a traveller one thar was booked over the Internet and wasn't aware until the day. I went ahead because I could not leave them with nothing. The next morning I went to collect my things and the candy cart had been smashed up, the centre pieces all stolen and the white linen all ruined. Don't get me started on my husband. He runs an electric gate company and has ALWAYS done work for travellers... however over the last few years he's had to stop due to non payments, threats, them purposefully breaking the motors etc to get out of paying. Some of his good friends are travellers but they are not all good and they like to try intimidate and bully.
@kathrynharker3986
@kathrynharker3986 Год назад
You said it....I can go on about that but I am going to leave it alone
@theembersinside1420
@theembersinside1420 Год назад
People of every race or sort have "bad eggs" or ppl that make their community look bad. Its not any different w Gypsies. No one community is perfect or right.
@jojobee42
@jojobee42 Год назад
They wouldn't have a problem booking a venue if they knew how to behave.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
That's a massive "If", you know there is there is going to be trouble...... There always is. Someone turns up, someone has an axe to grind then there is a fight, the staff are abused, the bathroom are smashed and the next morning they are nowhere to be seen.
@milly-moo9056
@milly-moo9056 Год назад
I got to give the wedding dress makers top credit for their talent and determination in making those beautiful dresses. Yes they may appear a little OTT in my opinion but they're still stunning!
@georginaohara42
@georginaohara42 Год назад
I think they look cheap AF & incredibly itchy. Very skilled dress makers but those designs & Chinese fabric are hideous.
@pkk639
@pkk639 Год назад
​@Georgina OHara 100% the dresses are very well made but they are horrendous and so tacky.
@georginaohara42
@georginaohara42 Год назад
@@pkk639 I’d love to see a creation of Thelma’s but with beautiful, quality fabrics. Very talented team but crikey it’s wasted on these. Wishing you a blessed weekend when it arrives ✌🏻
@leafii.
@leafii. 7 месяцев назад
@@georginaohara42some fabrics arent chinese made as they had to use REAL FOX FUR for one dress.
@curiositiesdygest
@curiositiesdygest 7 месяцев назад
Beautiful?!? r u kidding?!
@DustMoons
@DustMoons Год назад
She should of let him starve on his little “All male trip”
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
How pathetic that they cannot start a fire and cook beans potatoes and sausage on a cast iron skillet.
@Gigi0408
@Gigi0408 Год назад
I was thinking why didn't he bring a packed lunch.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@Gigi0408 I was thinking why didn't he bring his mommy to wipe his bombom
@mymyMelly
@mymyMelly Год назад
I am not saying every single traveller is the same but every single traveller family I’ve seen around my area (there was A LOT growing up) they would park up where they aren’t wanted, trash a area they weren’t welcomed to, and refuse to leave until the very last second. I also blame the local councils if they opened up caravan parks specifically for travellers then they wouldn’t be forced into car parks, grass spots, and just anywhere they can park up.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
That doesn't sound so bad you should hear about their other antics
@silviajimenez9599
@silviajimenez9599 Год назад
I never understand why she would sign up to be on the show to just give everyone a hard time about the details. If your that afraid don’t add cameras to the “secret wedding”
@kayleensouth7263
@kayleensouth7263 Год назад
If there is one person who would want to make sure the wedding happened, it would be the dress maker. Why would she do all the work and then tell the venue they were travelers and risk it? I mean duh.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Travellers are stupid that way. They expect everyone to both make themselves available And drop everything at a moment's notice. Delusions of grandeur
@shelbymanners6729
@shelbymanners6729 Год назад
I greatly appreciate Thelma’s sensitivity to the traveler’s need for confidentiality. She is wonderful ❤.
@BucckeyTemple
@BucckeyTemple 4 месяца назад
She's condescending Lol
@nonameanonymos
@nonameanonymos Год назад
Im sorry to hear, how travellers are being treaten by people. On the other hand, I read some articles about the Gypsy Community treating Gays and Lesbians the same way and worse. Beating them up, harrasing them. So I wonder, why this is and why they did not learn to respect people who are different. Its kinda bigott in my eyes.
@lolabelle4959
@lolabelle4959 Месяц назад
Gypsies r a nightmare!! It's not bigoted. My personal experience has been terrible, they've got a bad rep 4 a reason!!
@celesteboles250
@celesteboles250 Год назад
It's always so strange to me to see the girls all gussied up and the dudes just in tank tops and ratty jeans
@everythingeverthingrandom7058
Im convinced that ma'am is in love with her best friend but i could be wrong-
@jaithon7254
@jaithon7254 Год назад
I got the same vibe
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Yeah that got that indigo girl thing going on
@luciesotkova6847
@luciesotkova6847 Год назад
Legit came into the comment section to see if anybody else saw it, ma’am was a bit fruity for her bestie. It’s very sad when you think about it bc obviously y queer people aren’t accepted at all in their community
@mqzd24
@mqzd24 Год назад
arent they cousins? 25:14 thelma says “they’re not just cousins they’re best friends as well”
@rebeccaleach2920
@rebeccaleach2920 Год назад
Thelma has given her life to dressing traveler women and yet some still crap on her. Through the traveler community they know thelma would not lie or give out details off wedding ect.
@angeltaylor4570
@angeltaylor4570 Год назад
The best friend dance was so sweet and original. Bought tears to my eyes u can see the genuine love between them
@lizmuhl4846
@lizmuhl4846 Год назад
They cancel because of the extreme damage they do to these venues! Nice people don't trash a venue. And violent fights by the women and men, DISSCUSTING behavior period. That is why! From venues to hotels. That's saying something.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
You forgot that they assault hotel staff too.
@willie6981
@willie6981 Год назад
@@anthonyhassett wtf
@screamoguy100
@screamoguy100 Год назад
I might be a bit more sympathetic to the gypsies if they didn't leave a disgusting mess behind. Poor Thelma, did she not get all the money upfront....lesson learned.
@ttintagel
@ttintagel Год назад
Aww, the best friends' dance was really sweet. I almost wish we'd had something like that when I was my friend's maid of honor.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Uhmmmm you probably missed something there...
@georginaohara42
@georginaohara42 Год назад
If she’s still your best friend? Dance with her the next time you see her, seize the moment & make memories.
@lacyhay9022
@lacyhay9022 Год назад
I remember the first bride in this. Her mom did Thelma bad. She is out all that money, yes she makes money from the show. But the work, the time, the labor they put into the dresses for nothing
@MiffetBlue
@MiffetBlue Год назад
It wasn’t for nothing. She got paid. Not too many people noticed but the mother took all the dresses AND the underskirts so they could dress everybody themselves. There’s no way Thelma let all the dresses and underthings out of her shop unless she was paid in full. Gypsy’s are dishonest and Thelma’s a smart woman so trust me, she got paid.
@lacyhay9022
@lacyhay9022 Год назад
@@MiffetBlue not all gypsies are dishonest.
@lacyhay9022
@lacyhay9022 Год назад
@@MiffetBlue the money I was talking about was the hotel and plane tickets. She was supposed to go help dress the bride
@MiffetBlue
@MiffetBlue Год назад
@@lacyhay9022 Ah, gotcha. Allowing Thelma to book tickets and hotel rooms knowing full well it was for the wrong day is dishonest and deplorable but I’ll retract my original statement that all gypsy’s are dishonest. I spoke in haste. :)
@lacyhay9022
@lacyhay9022 Год назад
@@MiffetBlue I appreciate your honesty. May the good Lord bless you 🙏
@leighcarlson87
@leighcarlson87 Год назад
It’s not irrational to keep an eye on these people and be wary. Many of them tend to have shady ways of making money. And they can get very rowdy at wedding receptions and other events.
@franceselliott5975
@franceselliott5975 Год назад
The animal abuse at Appleby fair is unbelievable. I have Gypsy friends and they are quiet and genuine, travellers are a completely different sort.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
So who do you think is being abusive to the horses at Appleby fair if it's not the gypsies?
@laurafitzgerald8050
@laurafitzgerald8050 9 часов назад
What’s the difference between travelers and gypsies?
@karenneill9109
@karenneill9109 Год назад
The bride Bridget never once looked happy. There’s such a sadness to her. I hope life brings her happiness.
@mia-mf5xt
@mia-mf5xt Год назад
I believe that the gypsy community go through a viscous cycle. Kids leave school at 11 and many times with a very low level of education (e.g not knowing the alphabet) due to the constant moving/lack of importance to education. With the community being closed off to the world their community, way of living and rules are all they know. Because their education stops so young and they only socialize with people who’s education also stopped young, they’re almost frozen in time to the age they left. There’s no ability to really grow. If a “gorger” left school early, there’s still chance to grow. They live in a community thats diverse and educated, as they grow up they’ll learn from their peers, for e.g how to be mature and the options in life. Gypsies don’t have that because most of their community have the same level of education. They r taught that they don’t need education, to not mix with gorgers, the men r in charge, marry asap, have kids, woman clean and take care of the man who’s the breadwinner. As they’re so closed off from the world, they can’t compare it against other paths, and as that’s all they see, that’s how they live. They then have kids of their own and raise them the same, and the cycle begins again. This is why some commit crimes (steal, con, fight)(been taught to in their community, all they know, low level education); act immaturely; don’t want to change; think it’s okay to act how they do and think they’re wrongly treated. It’s rlly sad, they’re still humans after all who r kind souls, they where just never given the opportunity in life :( Obvs I’m not talking about every gypsy but I am talking about their general culture and traditions.
@sonya405
@sonya405 Год назад
Very well put
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
How do you suggest you change the "group think" or culture of 30 generations that resists change? I mean in 4 generations my family have gone from farm labourers to university graduates with no state assistance. How do you propose to change traveller culture with extra social welfare, grinds, easy access, free fees and top ups..... And they still can't make it work.
@mia-mf5xt
@mia-mf5xt Год назад
@@anthonyhassett i suppose the difference between your family and gypsie is that the aspects mentioned above are their culture and traditions, much harder to break. I believe that they are very determined to stick to their culture and traditions as it is dying out, they want to preserve it. I certainly dont propose more state assistance, if I’m being honest i think its ridiculous how they dont pay even council tax, however i do think perhaps more stricter regulations on how their schooling is managed. I assume that they take them out of school under the pretences that they are to be homeschooled, however we both know that doesn’t occur. If they were more or less forced to stay in school I would like to think that it may help. Perhaps now that social media is now so vast that even may help, help them see the outside world, communicate with people. However i simply do not know, as someone in the final year of a law degree i can only really suggest tighter laws lol
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@mia-mf5xt there is also the other aspect, is it fair on settled children to have the burden of traveller children in a classroom. I mean they are not encouraged from at home (most important), there is no homework or preparation done. So why go to school or even finish it if there is no vision for the future?
@mia-mf5xt
@mia-mf5xt Год назад
@@anthonyhassett I understand however that would massively go against the Equality Act, which was created due to HRA art 14, due to the ECHR. Although we’re not part of European convention anymore I highly doubt that this would change as it’s an integral legislative piece, if we’re tryna to think realistically, I think best shot is tighter restrictions on schooling
@moomin1632
@moomin1632 Год назад
The guy leading that protest seems like a genuine guy. Gave me a lump in my throat to see them all standing up for their right to exist like everyone else. Well done lads, you done yourselves proud.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
What rights do they not have?
@angussneef
@angussneef Год назад
They don’t have the right to do what they do to women. When they follow the law, they’ll be accepted
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
You don't have the right to go down the motor way in a horse and cart that is dangerous.
@katew3723
@katew3723 Год назад
@@angussneef grow up.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@angussneef they haven't followed the law of the land or god for 30 generations, what makes you think they will start anytime soon. But aren't they great to cry discrimination when they get refused entry to the Garda college?
@jessee7303
@jessee7303 Год назад
Treat people with respect. It works both ways. Each side is responsible for half of the relationship. Each side is 100% responsible for their own 50%. What do the Travellers bring to the table? Nothing! They demand, expect, and play the victim. Do they go around and pick up garbage in the communities the stop in? No. They use the roads, yet do not pay taxes. They seem so focused on what is being done to them. But do not take any responsibility. They were kicked out a hotel because other paying guests were being bothered. Whenever we’d go on school trips we were expressly told that we had to be absolutely perfect the entire trip. Because we were kids, and people are judgemental of kids, we needed to be extra careful of our behaviour. They act as though they are innocent but where there is smoke, there is fire. Take some effing responsibility people and stop being the victim!!
@britgirl4814
@britgirl4814 Год назад
Most of the stigma around Gypsies is warranted!
@sunshine44dexter61
@sunshine44dexter61 Год назад
I don’t think it right for the mother and daughter to lie to the one person making the dress thats some f up shit no wonder why people don’t like these people. And don’t even get me started with the husband making his wife take him food WTF u hungry cook ur damn self or get some common sense take some food with u if ur going yo be traveling.
@sabinabirnie3761
@sabinabirnie3761 Год назад
I cannot understand why the travelers are unable to pool their money and buy a building in various parts of the country to hold these wedding receptions but I guess it binds them and makes them traceable and accountable.
@tekiuroti8455
@tekiuroti8455 Год назад
I would imagine it's because they travel around often
@pigeon51
@pigeon51 Год назад
They would wreck it. They only like to ruin other people's properties.
@sabinabirnie3761
@sabinabirnie3761 Год назад
@@pigeon51 well if the Gypsies were the ones buying it they would be wrecking their own property that was my point, nobody would mind.
@ttintagel
@ttintagel Год назад
It might be hard to get anyone to sell them the land and grant them building permits.
@sabinabirnie3761
@sabinabirnie3761 Год назад
@@ttintagel true, I hadn’t thought of that.
@pinapple60
@pinapple60 Год назад
I really wouldn’t have a problem but where I live there was some gypsies who have settled at the back of a beautiful stately home and my partner went to park up there so we could walk around the grounds, They approached us in my car leaning their arms right onto are windows both sides big guys to they were extremely intimidating and were pressurising us into trying to get them some drugs! My partner is a big chap and tough but even he found it to much, also the hedges outside of the site were disgusting full of rubbish yet they are like a minutes drive from a re-cycle plant so no excuses for fly tipping. My daughter’s partner told me about two special sites they had equipped for other gypsies in the next county they abandoned them and they were never used. The other problem is they go around are area’s ear marking particularly homes or cars to steal and using certain things to mark homes where they can steal dogs either for breading or dog fighting. I will accept anybody normally but with that level of disregard and respect for others how can you they need to change their attitude before I change mine.
@bethewalt7385
@bethewalt7385 Год назад
Dog breading as in dipped in flour, then egg, then bread crumbs and fried...hmmmm I suspect you mean breeding...
@devon800
@devon800 Год назад
PLEASE KEEP UPLOADING THE FULL EPISODES!!!
@VladmirPoopN
@VladmirPoopN Год назад
This is a repeat. Maybe I'm wrong and just saw this on another channel...
@chantelboyd1853
@chantelboyd1853 Год назад
@@VladmirPoopN it is a repeat. Her & her family screw Thelma over. Sad but true.
@KayteeQueue2024
@KayteeQueue2024 Год назад
This show has been over for years …
@gilliantill1214
@gilliantill1214 Год назад
They just won't understand the disruption they cause everywhere.They don't belong anywhere.They never settle and try and fit in.Quiet communities want to stay quiet.There is always a lot of children noise and disruption.
@lisalynn1
@lisalynn1 Год назад
l will always discriminate against child sexualization.
@rebeccajodhiwilliams182
@rebeccajodhiwilliams182 Год назад
My heart broke for Brigitte and her friend.
@coffeecrimegal5968
@coffeecrimegal5968 Год назад
Yea sorry! If I was Thelma I would’ve pulled all the dresses I made for them and said go find another dress maker as good and as loyal as I am that will make the dresses without even a date in mind of when they need to be done! See how far that gets ya?! That’s incredibly rude & inconsiderate! BS they don’t look at it like that!! Maybe that’s one of the reasons people don’t want their business? The pubs look at it as them being disrespectful & to destructive but they don’t! Well…. And of course I’m sure it’s not all of them. It never is. Perhaps the majority though? You don’t gain a reputation without some truth to it.
@ttintagel
@ttintagel Год назад
I would have at least just dropped the dresses off and said find someone else to help you dress on the day.
@montanawebb846
@montanawebb846 Год назад
very little truth, but also black ppl have a similar reputation but you cant judge all of them for it
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@montanawebb846 it's called a sense of intuition, it's a basic part of psychology.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
@@ttintagel Thelma works to near impossible timelines, like booking to delivery of three weeks which is really two weeks when you take consultation, assembly into consideration. The bride would have to go to a charity shop to buy off the shelf and have it altered. Total abuse of the shop and Thelma.
@tquigsmay
@tquigsmay Год назад
Well there must have been issues if they don't want them back. Towns welcome event revenue, so... do they clean up a after their horses? Do they leave yeah behind?
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
See the Ballinasloe horse festival this week. No pubs or catering venues are open. What does that tell you?
@chimerachrist4300
@chimerachrist4300 Год назад
they can't even make it through one night at a hotel without acting like they're in their caravan and getting kicked out in the middle of the night? go tf to bed omg
@LisaLGruman
@LisaLGruman Год назад
Excellent program. Thank you for having it. Loved watching it here from California.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Come over next year to Ireland to the horse fair in Ballinasloe and you can get the live show. Shure, myself and the wife will put you up for the week.
@dianejohnson9904
@dianejohnson9904 10 месяцев назад
If the bride wouldn’t tell the dressmaker the correct wedding date, the dressmaker should have told her to just pick up all the dresses and transport them themselves. Dressmaker can just not go to this wedding!
@elzaaltmann
@elzaaltmann Год назад
Nice to learn about these people. Thumbs up to them.
@awkwardlyamy3765
@awkwardlyamy3765 Год назад
That is SOOO messed up that they did that to her!! She is one of the most trustworthy women EVER!!!!! I hate that Gypsies get treated like that..
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Gypsies get treated like that because they have a history......
@lolabelle4959
@lolabelle4959 Месяц назад
Get treated like what?
@amandawitherspoon5225
@amandawitherspoon5225 Год назад
I love those horses. They are beautiful. I wish that I could get a place to keep a couple of them.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Those horses that aren't stabled? Never seen a vet or farrier ? Used for Sulkie racing on the open roads? Those horses?
@georginaohara42
@georginaohara42 Год назад
@@anthonyhassett my heart goes out to those poor animals. They look unhappy. Even those little dogs who run around the yards. Well let’s be honest, they breed like rabbits themselves so those dogs aren’t never getting nurtured .
@patricialong5767
@patricialong5767 Год назад
Children marrying children...hmmm!
@LadyCheshire95
@LadyCheshire95 Год назад
I do love how he's called his to bring him some lunch.
@johannacasey3535
@johannacasey3535 Год назад
I'm in love it video
@rachelpotvin3446
@rachelpotvin3446 Год назад
Those Dresses are so BEAUTIFUL
@lolabelle4959
@lolabelle4959 Месяц назад
Yeah if u want 2 look like a meringue!!
@ichimichael111
@ichimichael111 Год назад
I love this show, at least it's never not interesting.
@Bebedollie
@Bebedollie Год назад
And it's funny
@willie6981
@willie6981 Год назад
And drama! dont froget drama we love drama haha
@gaildonaldson6966
@gaildonaldson6966 Год назад
Where do the travellers get all their money for these lavish events? Also, how can they afford to raise such large families? Considering their typical dislike of the educational system, where is all that money coming from???
@mlledj22
@mlledj22 Год назад
The police wouldn't increase thier numbers of the something crazy didn't happen the year before. Same waybthe shop keeper wouldn't have put mess over his window. Previous years led them to act this way. It probably cost the restaurants and bars more money to fix the damage than they would make. The ONLY time a business shuts it's doors is when they will lose money. Also, if they weren't probably blocking the road or leaving horse stuff and trash behind, they would have no reason to say no stopping on the side of the road.
@brendabarber
@brendabarber Год назад
What does the mother do if the older girls have to take care of the younger ones.
@chickydum
@chickydum Год назад
Sit and do nothing that's the whole point she has the kids can't get her long talons messed up can she..
@ttintagel
@ttintagel Год назад
Do you mean, what do they do when the oldest girl gets married and moves out? I expect the work goes to the next-oldest. Same thing that happens in Quiverfull families in the U.S.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Making more little travelers on the flat of her back
@dashawn4350
@dashawn4350 Год назад
Could have packed the stew, why have her drive 2 hours? Gezzzz 😕
@mandierae7756
@mandierae7756 Год назад
she didn't drive 2 hours she got lost she only drove 10 mi but she couldn't find them cuz she wasn't going down the right road
@amandastephen5471
@amandastephen5471 Год назад
I was thinking he knew it was a two week trip… he didn’t think of snacks???
@tonyamoony
@tonyamoony Год назад
What a pretty bride!
@Yaziceed
@Yaziceed Год назад
I can’t believe they can’t do anything without there husbands and there husbands can do anything it’s awful really
@siddsux9138
@siddsux9138 Год назад
Mad respect to the traveler leader! He is so kind and respectful, even with his wife (it’s def not great! Expecting her to drive that far for them just to eat BUT!!!! He has been the nicest man I have seen so far in this show with woman/his wife atleast on camera) and that goes a long way to show the settlers what travelers can be like. It’s like race, religion, etc. just because a few or a lot of them are one way doesn’t mean that everyone is that way.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Are you sure on that? Irish travellers are 60 times more likely to have a criminal record than average Irish citizens.
@beckk8863
@beckk8863 Год назад
he obviously charmed you, probably has a criminal record as long as your arm.
@chloecaddamy3668
@chloecaddamy3668 Год назад
Them poor horses
@amberleena21
@amberleena21 Год назад
I understand that most of the time it is being racist but the thrown out because you are being obnoxious is a good reason. To be honest I have seen a lot of these weddings and Gyspy TV shows and they are not always very rule-abiding citizens.
@katiemary8075
@katiemary8075 Год назад
The girl with black hair and light brown eyes is so beautiful.
@choochoootrain6784
@choochoootrain6784 Год назад
Regardless as to whether or not traveller women live to serve their husbands, if these guys are going on a two week journey, you're trying to tell me that they didn't think to pack food?
@elizabethhansen6984
@elizabethhansen6984 Год назад
If a community wants to be accepted and respected that community needs to show respect to the community's that they are "visiting", meaning; no drunken brawls, no theft, no selling of fake goods. Show the GLORIOUS history of your culture do not accentuate the less than civil actions. Share your recipes, share the husbandry of raising those beautiful ponys and horses. Share a song, and its meaning. Im from the US and have never met a true Traveler. I have heard that there are communities in some areas here in the US. I did work at a grocery store in the late 1970's while I was in High School. The store was in Eastern Iowa and that is part of the "Corn belt" and much other types of foods are grown there. There are migrant workers who would "travel" through and I hate to say it, rob the store blind. There was also a clever "slide of hand" or a distraction like "Didnt I give you a $10 bill? etc. The workers did look different at well. Darker, almost olive colored skin, beautiful dark wild hair, and a demeanor that "ratted them out" from the quite town people. I do really enjoy "learning" about cultures from these videos. Even tho they are slightly "Slanted" to show the worst. I can pick thru that. Thanks.
@Zivanovaable
@Zivanovaable 7 месяцев назад
@elizabethhansen6984 Did this migrant workers presented themself as an ethnic group? Called themselves as a group in particular name?
@elizabethhansen6984
@elizabethhansen6984 Год назад
There should have been a meeting BEFORE the fair. Why not discuss expectations, reasons for possible arrest and get all involved on the same page? Why wait until there is a problem?
@pennywashington1054
@pennywashington1054 Год назад
The dresses for the pippins are remarkable!! Most focus on the brides, but they are sure all are stunning!!! 🤣💕🥴😭
@katrinajohnson3776
@katrinajohnson3776 Год назад
ALL the women are absolutely beautiful!!
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Yeah after a plasterer applied the make up
@lolabelle4959
@lolabelle4959 Месяц назад
Yeah if u like the tango look!!
@mitter2425
@mitter2425 Год назад
Poor Violet.
@eleftherialouizalagoudaki9027
Who’s Violet and why is she poor..?
@mitter2425
@mitter2425 Год назад
@@eleftherialouizalagoudaki9027 watch it.
@lolabelle4959
@lolabelle4959 Месяц назад
My experience with travellers isn't good so there's a GOOD reason why they're disliked. Stealing, trashing my local garage, kids rude + disrespectful, the list goes on + on!!
@juliaalexander5788
@juliaalexander5788 Год назад
Can the gypsy community open up their own venues if they keep experiencing issues or will the government not allow them?
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
In theory, yes. In practice they would have to declare tax and deal with banking. Most are at best illiterate. You also need to be of good character to either hold or apply for a liqour lisence. Then you have to apply for planning permission for a venue......locals won't allow that because of the trouble it draws. Worse than that travellers have bad credit histories. Totally undesirable in an area
@krystalmarin9993
@krystalmarin9993 Год назад
I feel like if gypsies had traditions like quinceañeras or sweet 16’s where girls can dress like princesses and take all the pics, girls probably wouldn’t get married so young.
@ttintagel
@ttintagel Год назад
Yeah, I also think that American weddings wouldn't be so extravagant if there were more opportunities for people to get dressed up and push the boat out every now and then.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
Nah traveller girls love that gammon meat. This is why they are mad to be riding as soon as possible
@BasedSockHead007
@BasedSockHead007 Год назад
That’s so funny they said Princess and the frog because the second I seen the petals I said “huh kinda looks like Tianas dress” 🤣 wellllll I was right
@kelligray1848
@kelligray1848 Год назад
Bless their hearts
@howiseeit5129
@howiseeit5129 Год назад
If they act respectfully they will get it back. They have a reputation but it can be turned around if they work on it.i walked 100ms from a camp on Public land in the Netherlands and they chase you and swear and throw things.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
So what is your plan to turn around their 30 generation history and reputation?
@lburgess63
@lburgess63 Год назад
Makes you wonder what kind of "trouble" is so extreme, frickin /pubs/ close. Anyone know?
@kathykitchen3316
@kathykitchen3316 Год назад
Fighting, smashing stuff up, not paying, stealing... The list is endless.
@_kikizaman_
@_kikizaman_ Год назад
@@kathykitchen3316 exactly. And they cry discrimination.
@sineadsimmonds2284
@sineadsimmonds2284 Год назад
Wow your dress is insane girlll 🔥 look beautiful
@moniquejames5789
@moniquejames5789 Год назад
You all do know that this was made about 10 years ago there just reposting them.. we’ve evolved much more then back then😂
@lesleyallinson8738
@lesleyallinson8738 Год назад
I come from northern England I now have lived in Kent uk for 12 years and I am an outsider The problem is more that a few have been bad but as always those few gave bad names it happens in all thing not just gypsies. My motto is live and let live I like a quite life.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
The few? You need to check your numbers. You are far out 80% of traveller males over 22 years old have criminal records.
@bernadettecrawford3656
@bernadettecrawford3656 Год назад
Love the fair
@Livinguud
@Livinguud 3 месяца назад
Those travelers have more heart and pride than any of the average citizens. Beautiful dress for a beautiful princessz😇
@dashawn4350
@dashawn4350 Год назад
The bride is scared and guarded 🤔
@deborahoneill3973
@deborahoneill3973 Год назад
He says people dread the word gypsy and he doesn’t know why,,, oh you know very well why, Thelma defends them because they’ve made her very rich, personally I would avoid like the plague and where do they get the money for these weddings, it’s not like they have the education to have a highly paid job, i don’t understand where this money comes from
@vivianwinford3681
@vivianwinford3681 Год назад
You'd think that they could provide the Bride with a bench to sit on at the reception. No high back of the chair to have to deal with. Hoops of the skirt just go over the bench completely. Hope a Wedding Planner reads this. Love all these videos as I'm Irish on my father's side.
@victoriasanchez6821
@victoriasanchez6821 Год назад
Esta muy bonito el vestido las costureras asen muy buen trabajo felicidades .
@silvanaleon4646
@silvanaleon4646 Год назад
It's not nice to be kicked off but I think that there's a reason, a right reason, they are loud and in the hotel they are not the only ones. They just don't know how to behave "properly". But it is not their fault, they never learned that. I mean they seem pretty loud.
@anthonyhassett
@anthonyhassett Год назад
You are responsible for your own individual actions. Assaulting venue staff and destroying a venue ensures you will never get service again.
@triciabuick4988
@triciabuick4988 Год назад
I have nothing against anybody but the mess and disruption some of them leave and they have no respect
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