PREVIEW: Fradd and Shapiro w/ Seamus Coughlin  

I wasn't looking at my phone when Seamus started his Shapiro impression and thought it was actually Ben.

unreal impression of ben there and matt didnt give it any love

Spot on impression lol

I'm glad Ben Shapiro and those like him are finally getting the scrutiny from the right they should've gotten years ago.

Increasingly, I am coming to believe that Pints is the best podcast out there. So much depth in this short exchange! Thank you, gentlemen.

Again, the jews didn't get the memo when Jesus clarified that mentally lusting over someone is not quite as bad as physically doing it but a serious sin nonetheless, by accepting their Messiah they will come to the fullness of the truth. It's hard to let go of sin when there's no real way of atonement for sins in Judaism because it's fulfillment is in Catholicism.

I'm surprised Shapiro isn't more in line with Fradd's distinction between lust and sexual value. It seems to be ironic that the author of Porn Generation, which quite effectively exposed the moral decline in our entertainment culture in film and music - a decade before things even further deteriorated with popular hookup culture apps - wouldn't be more in line with Fradd's viewpoint.

I really hope this podcast becomes the conservative podcast for the English-speaking West. It is breaking the bubble for American conservatives constantly listening to the Daily Wire. I promise you will start seeing the economics differently very soon as well.

I remember Ben stating once on DailyWire that a spouse in marriage can be an intimate partner or betrayer. I thought that was spot on.

Contraception degrades the marital act into lust, unfortunately.

Seamus is wise beyond his years. He gives this Gen-X grandpa hope for the future. Thank you for hosting him again, Matt.

That was a great impersonation of Ben Shapiro

Love the content Matt!

Great interview with Ben today Matt!

Wow, when Seamus impersonated Ben, i actually thought it was Ben before it cut to him

Seamus lets have 10 minutes as Shapiro

We are watching Dumbo by Disney (1941) tonight. Tomorrow we may watch Aristocats by Disney. We are into jazzy themes with Henri Matisse having had the famous Dominican Order commission for The Rosary Chapel in France. Matisse drew well.

You could cite 100 Rabbis, even Moses Meimonides, but Prager would go to the, "My Daddy did this so it's ok," argument.

Well said

I always get a chuckle when I see Christians who don't approve of cannabis and they are busy enjoying a nice fat cigar. ;) God bless 😂

I like the preview idea.

Natural law prohibits against having sex for pleasure alone? Does it go against eating for pleasure alone? I mean we do a bunch of things not for the "purpose" alone.

That Ben impression lol!! SPOT ON!!

First? Chesterton cigars has great prices on tobacco. Much less pricey than Ann Arbor, MI

It might be a good idea to bring Ben onto your show to debate this issue.

Exodus 32:9 "And the Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, it is a stiff-necked people."

I never considered the sin of Onan as purely masturbation, or not lying with his brother's wife. To me it was an extremely defiant and rebellious act, hence the penalty.

Is it just me or everytime someone finds out the truth and explicitely opposes to it, inmediately exposes himself as that he's probably made the mistake (or still does) and then acts in denial to try to hide the shame?

My understanding of the Onan incident is that it is a warning against masturbation and contraception. It kills 2 evil birds with 1 stone.

Just a thought, but "seed" (sometimes translated offspring or descendants, but the term most literally means seed) is a theme throughout Genesis (and scripture as a whole) that traces from God promising Eve that her "seed" would crush the serpent's head (Genesis 3:15) to Abraham's "seed" blessing the nations (Genesis 12:1-7), to David's "seed" reigning on the throne forever (2 Samuel 7:12), to Paul finally identifying Christ as the "Abraham's seed" (Galatians 3:16). There are a bunch more references to it, I just hit the high points. So perhaps when Onan was killed for spilling the "seed," he was being punished for refusing to carry on the Messianic line. He didn't just have the responsibility to give his brother a child, he had the responsibility to keep the promise given to Eve and Abraham alive. By rejecting that responsibility, the fate of the world was quite literally at stake. The line only ended up being preserved by Tamar's sinful seduction and Judah's foolish failure to resist (worked out through God's sovereignty of course).

I thought the responses yours and Ben’s were more interesting then the argument itself due to the lack of understanding in the original argument.

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Yesterday on DW+ Matt got Ben to admit, somewhat grudgingly, that you can have (bad) lust in marriage. Matt seemed to have turned up for his pound in flesh and got it. Good on yer, mate.

raised catholic but Judaism seems alot more in line with what I believe. If the church calls a Vatican 3 and undoes Vatican 2 I might come back

I think Ben would likely reject a man objectifying their wife. I don't know how lust means objectification. I think lust is simply desire. And if that is so, it can lead to objectification and it can't. It really depends on the person. I struggle to understand why Matt makes lust into objectification. Is that what the word means by definition?

Thing made for procreation used for self satisfaction = sin. Lungs made for oxygen used for self satisfaction (smoking) = sin 🤔

Maybe define your terms first....this entire discussion has been sort of a waste since no one is nailing down the definition of terms.

Matthew 5 condemns masturbation. In it, Jesus says if your right hand makes you stumble cut it off--but, remember, this is right in the middle of His teaching against adultery, and adultery of the heart, entertaining lustful thoughts. What ELSE could He be referring to other than masturbation?

So....the only value this guy brought to the table this entire clip was to do an outstanding impersonation of Ben Shapiro?

Masturbation is a mortal sin. Viewing pornography is a mortal sin. Period.

Shapiro is a cringe libertarian. Coughlin makes good satire, but libertarianism is anti-conservative and anti- Catholic

You guys are out in esoterica…who actually cares about the distinction between lust and desire?

As a commenter below pointed out, this is a somewhat dishonest title. Shapiro isn't on this video. As far as I know, he has never given an interview to Fradd. Matt is really riding the Prager thing, whatever it takes. "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

No, Matt. Every woman who has ever complained about feeling or being usee by her husband has been used, abused, or objectified by her husband. These are bad, That does not make it lust. Your definition of lust is wrong. Lust does not mean reducing someone to their sexual value. Lust means intense desire. In Christian theology lust means intense desire for someone you ought not to desire. For goodness sake we still have words with the real non-sexual meaning of lust in the English language. Words like wanderlust and bloodlust.

Ben mentioned your name and you think you’ve made it. Smh