Primary Arms PlxC 1 8x24 ACSS Raptor M8 Review 

That's true. The US and Japan completely changed the face of manufacturing within the same century. Not enough people know about the toyota production system

@@JohnMaxGriffin That’s for sure. All we heard about in our plant wide meetings was Toyota. Toyota exudes excellence, it’s all I drive!

So it’s made in Japan or China with Japanese glass??

@@HardAssetsFTW Doubt any of it is from China. They probably machine the body in the US or Japan and the optics are definitely Japan

@@HardAssetsFTW If it’s made in Japan it’s well made, that’s all I know.

When zeroing with 77grain, what distance should we zero at?

Post us up a torture test !

@@BigTeeze 16” at 50 yard zero using MK262 or 100 yard zero using M193 or M855 fine tune further out

Go for it. Top end optics should be bought over the firearm spec...the pleasure of shooting is massively enhanced by geat optics.

set the diopter to your eye

Totally agree

It’s a good optic but doesn’t “blow vortex and nightforce out of the water”. I found a good deal locally on a new in box 1-10 Razor and jumped all over it instead of ordering this. For a little more money I’ll take the higher magnification, TRUE daylight brightness, and the translucent reticle. I almost went PA but this thing is obviously not bright enough even on an overcast day.

@@tylerrodriguez9233 The reticle blows them all out of the water, in actual use in UKD, wind and movers it dominates all the old ACSS knock off reticles.

@@tylerrodriguez9233 I have a Gen III, and to be honesy with you, I'm kind of disappointed in it. It's okay, but crazy expensive and the only things it really has going for it are the daylight bright illumination, and the translucent reticle, the latter of which is a "Neat!" point, not a necessity. The clarity on the 1-10x is just not that great at the high end. Look up C_Does' review of the Athlon Helos BTR 1-10x and you'll see that it's not as flat regardless of how much you adjust the diopter, and the $500 scope blows it out of the water in terms of clarity at longer ranges. I'm disgusted by both how much I paid for it, and how little quality Vortex is putting out with it.

@@PrimaryArmsOptics I live in the desert where this daylight maroon illumination is essentially worthless on a sunny day. Make your PLX compact 1-8 as bright as my Razor and I’ll buy one immediately.

The eyebox on the compact is very similar to the Razor Gen II E, possibly slightly less forgiving but just barely. Its quite nice actually.

I am imagining the lightweight .308 from POF. Approximately size and weight of an AR-15…

it doesn’t touch the sides we made sure of it. 😃

@@PrimaryArmsOptics 👊🏾next level. I need to put a throw on my griffin x

yes

I believe it ships standard with the scope.

I mean, only some of those even fulfill the same role. With a magnifier and an EOTECH, you're already pushing high with price. Not 1100 most of the time, but you're still not reaching the same capabilities. They also have a significant number of cheaper LPVOs filling almost all prices ranges. I think there may be some flaws in your take.

@@TheGarmeryEotech makes an LPVO. The vudu series.

None of those companies make battlefield tested LPVOs

@@reedcrater5522 The more you know 🌈 ...

Because corporations outsourced manufacturing so the 1% could get even richer at the expense of the American worker

You should take a look through it if you get a chance. The FOV and 1x performance is better than Razor Gen 3 and Nightforce ATACR in my opinion. It really hits way out of it's price point. No optical compromise for it's extreme light weight.

Nothing comes close, check out the specs

There's literally nothing I can find that's better at this price point

That's amazing because they haven't released it yet......

@@kotaboy32 it was their other top seller just about like the one your showing. But it looks like this new one's crosshairs aren't as fine as I'd like. The one I had the crosshairs would cover the center cross on 2ft x 3ft taget, in part, at 300 to 800yrds. They don't seem to be for target shooting is what I'm getting at. I'm guessing they're just not for long range shooting. I could be wrong. T4TV's. Also they are pretty heavy. I put it on my ar 15 pistol & my 10.5" ar10 6.5 cm.

@@MS-oz2wu A LPVO 1-8 that weighs in at 16 ounces is too heavy???

@@MS-oz2wu So you didnt have this and sent it back........so therefore their other top seller is not like the one he is holding. The one he is holding hasnt been released - it is upgraded - smaller, and 10oz lighter with a different reticle, and a 30mm tube as compared to their other top seller that is 34mm. Besides that your right you sent back the other top seller like the one he is showing. Exactly.

@@paulyp9853 i corrected my error the best i could. I might try this one. 10 oz lighter. That's a lot. This said. The retical doesn't really soot me. Id like to see finer crosshairs because the large ones cover smaller areas on the target's at 300 yrds +.

You know, unless the 1x looks more like 0.9x or 1.2x. Or is all fisheyed and distorted around the edges. Etc

Ah no.. lol

Get the griffin model if I'm not mistaken

@@DTreatz I found out that the wind holds on the 800 yard line are very close to 1 mil apart.

@@tsafa Idk how wind holds work, I was just suggesting based off other reviews for you 😅 question tho: what are they for and are they hard to learn? I'm thinking of getting a the scope for later and I kinda want to future proof whenever I get around to learning wind holds by getting the Griffin

@@DTreatz I bought this scope if you weeks after I made this post and did this review after working with it. The following video that I did will answer a lot of questions. With regards to the reticle... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aiAH_qz7Ng0.html

@@DTreatz This is a different review on a scope that I did that has the mil grid and I explained in this video how this works... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ueo1DJI5XLU.html

Second focal plane doesn't get larger as you zoom. FFP reticles shift as you zoom in and out so the holds match at any magnification level.

@@project86xero gotchya. I had it backwards ha. Thanks!

@Vito Spatafiore yeah I figured out my mistake. See comment above.

It's daylight visible, not bright. Damn shame, it's the only thing holding it back. Would've easily been the best overall LVPO. They'd better upgrade the illumination!

Why would you want a SFP?

I don’t think anyone grinds glass for optics in the US anymore. Usually it’s Germany, Japan, Philippines, China and a few other places I can’t remember. Good parts, good designs, great assembly, etc.

You can't get American made optics other than some of Vortex's stuff and that's only because they wanted to win mil contracts for LPVOs. Everyone else is using other country's components in their optic even if it says American made. Honestly, Light Optics Works in Japan makes far better stuff than what Americans could make anyways. I'm patriotic and everything but it's just the truth.

There's more to it than the glass itself. Having lifters that can hold zero if you dial up and down a lot or that can take hard knocks. Better nitrogen purging, tougher and lighter materials, etc. Glass can cost lot too. Just like metal glass can have lots of things done to it to change how it works. Making it stronger as well as improving color transmission, light gathering, and anti glare features. It's not a big issue inside say 300 yards but the farther out you go the harder it is to tell the difference between say a branch and an antler. Also glare can be an issue if you use it a night with white light. An light gathering is important in low light situations like dusk or dawn. All these things have to be precisely controlled in order to be effective and repeatable in a mass produced product. The qc alone costs a ton. I mean look at a barista at a GOOD coffee shop. They weigh out the coffee and the water by the gram. Time the brewing process down to the second. All while using techniques and skills most of us will never have. Now some people are fine with a cup of drip coffee maker coffee. Others have higher standards. An some enjoy everything coffee has to offer. However in the end quality costs money. Some people can be satisfied with dunken. Others spend $90 a lb on small batch specialty roasted Japanese Geisha coffee. You do you boo boo. It's your money. Spend it how you want to.

Buy a nice non Chinese-piece-of-crap optic and you will find out.

The biggest difference (for me) is the amount and size of occlusions in the glass. To the naked eye they look like tiny random bubbles imbedded in the glass. You can see these better by shining a bright flashlight from the objective end into the optic, then move your eye around on the ocular end. Be careful not to blast your eye with light, but once you get the hang of this technique, you will be shocked how crappy most glass actually is. I’m certainly no expert, but I’ve been at this for awhile and occlusions will degrade light transmission and definitely cause issues at longer distances. Bad environmentals and numerous occlusions make for a poor image. I’ve never seen perfect glass, but some of the Tier I is close. Many of the Tier II magnified optics are also good, but usually at the upper end of the price range. Also, don’t confuse a bright image with clear glass. They are related but I will gladly take clear over bright. This is just the tip of the iceberg so do some research and there is a price of admission to get into the glass game. Most people never really know the difference so be safe and have fun along the way.

If you get a chance to go to a gun store with some ATACRs or Razor LPVOs on display, it'll become clear when you look through it. The SLX line hits way above it's price point in my opinion though. Especially the 1-6x rather than the 1-8x. This PLX compact is far and away better than the SLX and I'm not at all an optics snob.

it’s not just glass, harden steel turrets and over all material use and precision of the tracking and reticle

What other FFP with a reticle like this can you find for $1500. Tell me

snowflake

It wasn't mounted on a rifle. No different than looking through a pair of binoculars.

What do you recommend?