I think that the reason the Queen Mother disliked Phillip was because, unlike her husband, he had a backbone and would stand up for himself. Also, Phillip wanted to bring about changes to the monarchy, which his MIL would have frowned upon😏
That’s an interesting perspective! Prince Philip was certainly known for his strong personality and willingness to speak his mind, which might have contrasted with the Queen Mother’s experiences with her more reserved husband, King George VI. This difference in demeanor could have contributed to some tension.
That’s an interesting insight! The Queen Mother certainly had a reputation for being strong-willed and formidable, which might have earned her that nickname. It’s fascinating to hear firsthand accounts like your great uncle’s.
I’ve seen variants of this description again and again and I tend to believe it, despite the Royalists’ continued insistence in portraying her as a saint and rock for Bertie.
It’s interesting how the royal family’s deep German roots are often overlooked or downplayed, especially when it came to Prince Philip. Given the complexities of royal lineage, it’s easy to see why some might view certain attitudes as contradictory.
Family dynamics can be difficult in the most normal of families and when great power and wealth are involved, then relationships can be especially toxic!
the entire british royal family are essentially huns and she knew that. I am not sure even her scottish family was absent this last real english royal family ended with bonnie prince charlie stuart but even his mother was the great granddaughters of one of the towering heroes of western civilization
@@donnasherwood283 I think she said that more out of dislike for Philip. They were both dominant and headstrong characters so there would be some butting of heads.
@@einezcrespo2107 i think philip had his faults but he was a man of immense character and integrity the likes of which we see very rarely in life. I don't think snobbery, deviousness and gratuitous cruelty were among his failings but they were in her. A personal opinion is that she overstepped for far too long and frankly that his advice to her daughter was actually more useful and successful as elizabeth transitioned the monarchy in changing times. Allot was put on the queen mum i cannot imagine the stresses and she deserves the admiration and gratitude of the public but so does he.
@@donnasherwood283 I'm not sure this is quite right, is it? You would have to go back to Elizabeth I and Edward VI's descent through the Houses of York and Tudor to find British monarchs with a comparable amount of British blood as Prince William and Prince George will have when they ascend the throne. The Queen Mother, Diana and Kate were/are all British and even Queen Mary was the daughter of a British princess and was born and brought up in London.
The Queen mother was a difficult woman at the best of times. And she was only beloved by the public because the public didnt know her. She was the only woman to be called the Queen mother because she wouldnt give up the title Queen
It’s true that the public often only sees one side of a royal figure. The Queen Mother’s public image was carefully maintained, and the complexities of her personality were likely kept behind palace doors. The title of ‘Queen Mother’ certainly set her apart, reflecting her strong-willed nature.
@user-do5lu1rs2g the title 'Queen Mother ' was first used officially for Queen Henrietta Maria in 1662. In the 20th century there were three Queen Mothers, Alexandra, Mary ,and Elizabeth.
It’s truly inspiring to see how Princess Elizabeth followed her heart and stood firm in her decision to marry the man she loved. Her determination set the tone for a lasting partnership.
@@HistoryRoadshow Yes indeed...it always surprised my parents , family and friends of all the fuss made of her?? Bear in mind I remember KG5 passing away....he was well liked by the populace
Exactly, Marina had a point! The Queen Mother’s background was quite different from the European high aristocracy, which might explain some of the tensions and attitudes she had towards others, including Prince Philip.
She certainly had a reputation for enjoying the finer things in life! It’s well known that her spending habits were quite extravagant, reflecting her love for luxury and high standards.
With what we learned about her spending in a previous video she certainly was a hand full. When spouses pass and children wed there’s always a transition period but it normally doesn’t involve shutting of the heat. Thank you for your video.
Prince Philip's lineage is impeccable - despite his descent - similar to Elizabeth's - of minor German princes of the 16th and 17th centuries via Queen Victoria, and Christian IX. His Romanov ancestors are impressive. Elizabeth's birth has been the source of unpleasant rumors. Not surprised she was insecure around him. I seriously doubt he was around her. He had a hard childhood (for royalty), but I bet he knew exactly who and what he symbolized. Elizabeth gives me a chill. (Thank you so much Jon!)
@@HistoryRoadshow Jon, ever since I was sixteen I thought I could get all the lineages straight in a couple of weeks, I laugh about this alot. The mystery builds and builds😆😆😆.
imo, Queen Mum didn't like the fact Phillip was a royal, a Prince of Greece and Denmark, while she was a commoner. I doubt it was the German heritage, especially since her father-in-law changed the name of their House from Saxe Coburg Goethe to Windsor.
You make a valid point. It’s quite possible that the Queen Mother’s feelings towards Prince Philip were influenced more by his royal status and not his heritage. The shift from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Windsor did indeed mark a significant rebranding of the British royal identity.
@@HistoryRoadshow I think it was on a documentary I watched that Prince Phillip before he married Elizabeth was being shown around Windsor Castle by a member of staff. The staffer was condescending to Philip. Phillip put the staffer in his place by informing him that his mother, Princess Alice, was born at Windsor Castle.
Thanks for bringing that up! The relationship between Anthony Armstrong-Jones and the Queen Mother must have had its moments, considering the complexities of royal life.
@@redwoods7370 She couldn’t complain about his pedigree, manners or good looks. Money was really of no consequence. What was he going to pay for? The electricity bill?
And it probably frustrated her that the one thing she could use on him was the fact that he was broke but he was not as he did not appear to be a big spender and money didn't seem to be all that big of an object to him so she couldn't even use that because it wasn't a focus for him
@@Jmpd1117 His blood lines were royal, hers were of what they would call a commoner. Even Lady Diana, the daughter of an Earl of a very old family line, was still considered a commoner. Queen mother forgot where she came from, and was a spoiled brat growing up, especially during the Great Depression and she was living the life of a bon vivant.
@@Jmpd1117 From what I've read, the Queen mother at that time was not interested in a penniless artistocrat even though his pedigree was spotless for her daughter. That's not what she would want. Combining wealth and gaining money and especially land through marriage is the way royal families have done it for a thousand years.
*Prince Phillip was similar to his and Queen Elizabeth's ancestor, Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II was very similar to Queen Victoria except Queen Elizabeth was a more loving mother to her children and did not try to control them as much as Queen Victoria did.
Thank you for highlighting these interesting parallels! It’s fascinating to see how traits and roles can be passed down through generations. Queen Elizabeth II’s approach to motherhood certainly offered a more modern take compared to Queen Victoria’s time.
She forgot her husband & children's name would have been Saxe-Coburg & Gotha until her father-in-law rewrote them as Windsor to hide the German conection during WWI. Philip was Danish & German heritage( even though his family had been tapped to be the Greek royalty after that country restored their monarchy). His mother was a grandaughter of Queen Victoria who bore her father's name of Battenburg. During WWI, folks with German titles but we're living off the English crown agreed to anglicize their names in order to keep getting money as English Royals so that side of the family anglicized from battenberg to Mountbatten. So I do find it somewhat comical that Elizabeth and Philip argued about what name to give the children given that both their names had been anglicized fakes to hide their German Heritage during World War I
That’s a significant piece of history! The name change from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to Windsor during World War I was a strategic move to distance the royal family from their German roots. It’s interesting to think about how easily such a connection could be downplayed or forgotten over time.
Thank you for sharing your honest thoughts! Her personality certainly sparked strong opinions, and it’s intriguing to think about how those traits affected her reputation over time.
It’s interesting to think about how much the Queen Mother’s perspective might have been influenced by tradition and the royal environment she was part of. Prince Albert made significant changes during his time, so you’d think those lessons would resonate. It seems that royal traditions and personal views often make things more complicated.
Se ci fate caso la Regina Madre non cantava mai l'inno, prerogativa che spettava alla figlia, oltre a camminarle spesso davanti Strano per una che NON AVREBBE VOLUTO DIVENTARE Regina (Consorte) 😂 Le piaceva essere Regina. Eccome se le piaceva !!! 😂
This is disrespect. So often we saw Queen Mother getting along very well with Prince Philip, so often on Philip's arm and she assisted 55 years of the couple 's successful marriage. I believe prince Philip was the perfect son in law to the Queen Mother. I don't say this for 1947 but on the decades after and most of all after the King' s death in 1952. I can't understand why now they put all the deceased ones against the other when all they deserve from us is our absolute respect.
Actually the Queen Mother wasn't all too fond of Philip and it was well known. What we see in public doesn't always reflect what happens behind the scenes. She was also against modernizing Buckingham Palace when Philip suggested installing phones. When you have two dominant personalities in the family it's expected to have some fireworks.
It’s true, public perceptions can sometimes get skewed. From the way they were often seen together, it’s clear they had a strong bond. It’s like any family-there might be ups and downs, but in the end, they stuck together.
Prince Philip was certainly a remarkable partner to Queen Elizabeth. His unwavering support and dedication throughout their long marriage are truly admirable, making him one of the best consorts in royal history.
She treated him like a farmer's son HE WAS A PRINCE ROYAL AND WINDSOR'S ARE GERMAN TOO She was the daughter of a 🏴 count ( very Ancient , but a count only, and NOT PAIR)
It’s interesting how those class distinctions and attitudes played out within the royal family. Despite his royal status, it’s clear that tensions over lineage and heritage were still very much present.
That’s definitely true! A meddling mother-in-law can create all sorts of tensions in a marriage. It’s a dynamic that’s caused issues throughout history.
It must have been a challenging time for everyone involved when she tried to hold onto her influence within the Royal Family. The situation at Buckingham Palace certainly added to the tension.
I think She has it just about right. Philip along with his uncle Mountbatten were both minor bullies. Probably not intentionally, it was just in their makeup.
She found him travelling by helicopter common, Prince William and Prince Harry both fought in them. Prince William was also a pilot for our helicopter “ambulances” just imagine, whisking mere commoners to hospital! She’d have a fit 😂 I’ve read/heard she had a huge problem with spending & couldn’t accept having a cut in money available. I don’t know much about it so I could be wrong
It’s interesting to think about how much the royal family has evolved over time. What was once considered ‘common’ is now a part of their daily lives, especially with William and Harry’s service in the military and William’s role as a helicopter pilot. As for the spending, it’s true that the Queen Mother was known for her lavish lifestyle, and adjusting to budget cuts might not have been easy for her.
@@HistoryRoadshow very true, Prince William getting an online delivery from Waitress, they including the children helping the delivery driver. They were once spotted out with the nanny. An older lady needed to pass so they all stepped out of the way. She commented how well behaved they were, kind and considerate. Only later she remembered why they look familiar 😁
There’s been a lot of speculation about why the Queen Mother might have disliked Prince Philip. Some suggest it was due to his background and upbringing, while others think it might have been his more modern, outspoken personality, which clashed with her traditional values. The exact reasons, though, remain a bit of a mystery.
Maybe she disnr like the way he spoke to her daughter sometimes, or she thought he married her at the urging of Louis Mountbatten, who was a social climber. I know it was a different rime but my goodness theu started corresponding when she was 13 and he was 18 and Prince Phillip was incredibly attractive in his Prime ! We dont know what goes on behind palace doors. We only know what story they choose to say, and the books and interviews of former Firm Employees and members with their own perception. My Beloved Professor does he best at stickong to Facts best he can to give a narrative that lets us decide. That can not be an easy gig.
You’re absolutely right-there’s so much we don’t know about what goes on behind palace doors. The dynamics between the Queen Mother, Prince Philip, and the rest of the royal family were undoubtedly complex, influenced by many factors, including their personal relationships and the pressures of royal life. And yes, sticking to the facts while trying to give a balanced narrative is always a challenge, but it’s so important in understanding history.
Absolutely! With such strong longevity in his family, King Charles may very well have many years ahead of him. It’s fascinating to see how genetics play a role in his family’s history.
