Princess Rhaenys DROPS Some TRUTH BOMBS On Rhaenyra 

I don't think that was the point of this scene. The music and the way it is shot is sad. I feel Rhaenys here felt resentful that her inheritance was stolen. She was the daughter of Aemon Targaryen, Jaehaerys' eldest son. She should've been The Queen of Westeros. But she was overlooked, for being a woman. Her younger cousin, Viserys, was chosen. I imagine that must have stung. Rhaenys here is also trying to marry Laena to Viserys, because if that had happened, they would've had a boy or a girl, and so, it wouldn't be the Hightowers versus Rhaenyra. It would've been Rhaenyra and Daemon versus her Velaryon half-brother. Rhaenys I guess is seething because this girl, who's the daughter of a usurper, is about to have what she should've. And now Viserys wants to play the doting father with his daughter, when he's a hypocrite because Rhaenys was overlooked in his favour. Viserys wants to get away with crowning Rhaenyra as his heiress, when he didn't allow Rhaenys that kindness. A lot of that rage is directed towards Rhaenyra, the daughter of the usurper, the spoiled, the one who could get away with what she couldn't. I can see why Rhaenys would realistically be angry at Rhaenyra (and Viserys).

If they wanted us to not like Rhaenys they did a TERRIBLE job on that

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ Very well said!

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ There is a gian difference between Rhaenys and Rhaenyra. Which is that the king has declared that one of them is his heiress, while the other had no such back up. Jahearys I never did that, he instead let his council decide instead of him. And because he was typical of his time (therefore, misogyne), it was probably to his liking. Viserys's love for Rhaenyra (and his guilt towards his wife and her mother) made him have much more feminist ideals, and he declared for Rhaenyra during his reign, which should have been an absolute order to any lawful lords that bent their knees for her.

@@tanez778 I think Jaehaerys didn't precisely let his council decide. In the book, he outright ignores Rhaenys in favour of her uncle, Baelon (Viserys' and Daemon's father). It is only after Baelon's demise that he calls upon the Great Council, probably as a show to give more legitimacy to his mistake. In the book, the two greatest contenders are not Rhaenys and Viserys, but Laenor and Viserys. So I'd say it's even worse, because Laenor's claim derives from his mother, Rhaenys. But she's overlooked while a literal 6 years old child is taken into account simply because he's male and she's a female. Insane. Unjust. Even worse. At least in the show, they consider her.

I kind of feel Rhaenys never truly warmed up to Rhaenyra. She supported her because she thought she could make a change. But she never liked her as a person. There was always a resentment there.

@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ Eve best who played Rhaenys confirmed this. though it wasn't resentment it was distrust. Rhaenys and Corlys did not like or trust Rhaenyra, but Rhaenys was trying to go by Viserys wishes. there was some resentment though: Daemon and Rhaenyra got what they wanted all along to be together while Laenor and Laena were both dead as far as Rhaenys knew. Laena's funeral was barely over before Rhaenyra and Daemon wed

​@@Δ-Δ-Δ-ΔIt's very realistic, older women always have a resentment to younger women, even if they have to get along

@@alexh6767 No, it's not just some petty older women to younger women drama, Viserys is willing to give Rhaenyra what he denied to give to Rhaenys, probably why Rhaenys will have resentment towards her, cause she is about to get something given to her willingly that was supposed to be Rhaenys' in the first place.

Was about to right the same shit. She really underestimated Viseys on that one😂

She was right even the King knew he need to remarry asap.

My interpretation was that Viserys knew what was gonna happen

@@AnnaBellaChannel The Dragon King should not be obligated to do anything

Viserys was a fool though

Considering the fact that because of women, the realm is now burning, she was not only wrong but her the fool. :DDD

@@dirtyjack6300 uh no. the realm is burning because they kept chosing wrong at the great councils. viserys led to the dance, Aegon V went mad at summerhall and his descendant Aerys II doubly so. The civil war the ended the dynasty was by men, and the blood letting after Robert died was because of men. The War of Five Kings, not Queens. Kings Landing burnt down because of the wildfire Dany's father placed under the city. The Lannisters sided with Robert because Tywin was denied his marriage plans to his face by the mad king, two men. Four-Five Blackfyre rebellions because of Aegon IV & his bastard sons.

​@@umitenchoI agree with you, but women can also be quite horrible and the causes of pain for others. Cersei cheated on Robert with her own twin brother, creating Joffrey and destroying the realm with her corruption and cruelty. Alicent was as instrumental as Otto when placing Aegon on The Throne. Lysa Tully could've helped her family during the War of The Five Kings, but withheld her aid because she was allied to Petyr Baelish, letting her home get sacked by the Lannisters. Olenna Redwyne doesn't care about supporting Joffrey The Monster, later poisoning him, later marrying his granddaughter to someone she knows is an incest bastard. And other examples more.

@@dirtyjack6300who rejected you? For you to spill shitty takes like those

Except that Jaher, named Viserys's father as heir & so he would have become king anyway. The Great Council was her one chance to push her claim & she failed.

​@@umitencho Todo eso, y contando que Rhaenyra si fue nombrada heredera. Y Aegon no se convirtió en rey por que halla sido elegido, sino que usurparon el trono. Son dos situaciones muy distintas. La situación de Rhaenyra se parece mucho más a la de la princesa de la princesa Aerea, ella era la heredera de Maegor, pero el consejo decidió que mejor fuera Jaehaerys

Thats average teen behaviour. If anything, she shouldn’t even be names as heir. It should have been Daemon all along. None of this bs would have happened if Otto didn’t suggest Rheneryas name and Viserys clinging to it🤦🏻‍♂️

@@umitencho Rhaeny's father was the original heir and she was his heir. There was originally a rule that said a lords daughter inherits before his brother. But her father died before her grandfather Jahearys, her uncle was named heir against tradition. But he also died before her grandfather. There was no chosen heir and there were two viable options Laenor or Viserys neither was confirmed heir but both were candidates which was why the council was called on. the council was to decide between Laenor and Viserys as the next heir, as Laenor was an infant Rhaenys would have been his regent which would have put her on the throne in his stead

I think Rhaenyra was being a 'brat' in this scene and many of the scenes of her youth (the royal progress/finding a spouse journey), but part of me understands that's due to her being young. She was also indulged, it seems like. While she was the oldest surviving child of the king and his first queen, still, they were hoping for a male heir...then when it's come time for her to be announced as heir, she's already had that 'insolence' which is very much of a family trait lol and bratty. Like most monarchs, she probably has that inflated ego and as a dragon rider, that ego must be through the roof. The Targaryens seem to always refer to Aegon the Conqueror, so yup, despite being the 'incorrect gender,' she probably has the same ego as a Targaryen man. I was actually surprised she "mellowed out" quite a bit as adult Rhaenyra (or after becoming a mother).

For a royal bloodline putting all your stock in a solitary heir especially back in the olden days was never an option. Visery's entire line would then depend on the survival of Rhaneyra and having seen what the chances of mortality were especially during childbirth for both mother and child. It only made sense to expand the bloodline. A hard but necessary choice.

Not having more children would've been insane What he should've done was coax out major lords who would contest his decision (an obvious one being the Lannisters), expose them, and undermine them one by one while he still had strength But that just wasn't his way

A lot of people argue this, but honestly he had to remarry. If Rhaenyra died, his entire line dies. Then the throne would have to pass to Laenor, who was gay, or Daemon. This would have likely led to civil war depending on circumstances

​@Glorfindelfan1234 The small council opposed him but he should have named Daemon as his heir and arrange a marriage between him and Rhaenyra. In this way he could've prevented civil war.

@@user-jr9bu7em8s I don't understand why he wouldn't name Daemon his heir, the likelihood is he thinks Daemon is 'war hungry' and would plunge the realm into war with the free cities, etc if there's no big issues. It's been 70 something years of peace at that point and Viserys didn't want that to happen. Since he has remarried and had sons with his second wife, I hate to say this, but Otto actually had a point. To betroth Aegon to Rhaenyra, the issue is their age difference though. Rhae won't be able to continue to line until she's well into her 30s if this is the case.

It echoes throughout the season (prominently in episode 6) but didn't appear on the soundtrack. Shame.

you could have found another video of it in the time it took you to type this

Exactly, this is a great way to look at it. Rhaenys is the oldest, wisest Targaryen of her generation. I see her as the new Maester Aemon not so much Lady Olenna or Catelyn Stark. They were more ambitious than her. Rhaenys in the show at least is upset she was passed over for the Throne and not given a chance to rule but she seems to be okay with not having been given it. Maybe because she realizes what a huge burden it is. She didn't press her claim or her children's claims because she saw she didn't have the support she needed. Her actions after this are motivated by a strong sense of duty and honor. As well as love for her family. Rhaenys didn't want a Civil War to break out over her claim but ultimately chose to support Rhaenyra because she believed she'd be the better ruler and she supports her cousin Viserys' wishes. Very similar to Maester Aemon who went to the Night's Watch for the same reasons. I only wish The Queen Who Never Was would have mentored The Realm's Delight more. Like Aemon did with Jon Snow. Rhaenyra needs her and fails to see this.

Well, there's one thing that must be taken into account. By the time the Dance of the Dragons starts, Rhaenys' daughters are promised in marriage to Rhaenyra's sons. If Rhaenyra wins, her daughter gets to become Queen. Then again, we all know how it ends eventually.

@@davideiceman grand-daughters, NOT daughters

@@monkeydluffy2063 Fair enough, but my point still stands.

@@davideiceman never argued with that

Targaryen civil war was always inevitable

But even if he hadn't sired male descendants, the Small Council could then back Daemon's claim to the throne as his brother. Like Rhaenys said, they would do anything to prevent a female ruler.

Not his inability to follow the status his inability to pick a direction. If he wanted to not marry and have more kids he could have done that and told his council to piss off to secure Rhaenyras line but he chose to appease. He could have made Rhaenyra a Regent or his Hand to transition her rule but he decided not to do that. He could have changed or set up new inheritance laws to solidify Rhaenyra as heir fully but he decided to not do that. His inaction is what screwed things up.

No the mad king did. The lineage litterally dying with him but yes viserys and the other previous kings played a big part in the downfall of their house.

​@J10005 the moral of the story - he took a half measure - when he should’ve gone all the way.

Or the war would have been more destructive. Targyeans vs Valyrians sounds like a recipe for disaster.

But actually they would have been half House Strong. And the Velaryons would have lost their own lands which they'd held since before the Conquest.

Marrying someone from Dorne, especially a Martell would even weaken her cause more. The Dornish were hated by the people of the Stormlands and the Reach. Just look at how much trouble King Daeron II had with his dornish marriage, the realm tore itself apart, because some lords thought that the court was too full of dornishmen and women and that the heir of the iron throne looked too dornish, that's what helped Daemon Blackfyres cause more at the end. And you have to consider that during Rhaenyras life, it's not a long time ago, that the Dornish attacked the realm several times under Jahaerys era. The Baratheons and Tyrells would feel personally insulted, as they lost several familiy members to the Dornish. And without the support of House Velaryon, Rhaenyra would have lost many of her advantages, including dragonriders, the wealth of House Velaryon, as well as their fleet. The dornish were weak and never really capable to fight successfully outside of their territory. She should have married Laenor and after his death someone from House Lannister (Tyland Lannister, a council member an twin brother to the current head of house Targaryen) and thus strengthen her cause more by having the Westermen as her allies. Then she should have betrothed her two eldest sons to Daemons daughter, to bind him and the Velaryons more to her side and marry off Joffrey to one of the Baratheon girls, too secure the alliance with House Baratheon. At last she should offer one of her children from her second husband to Aegon II as a sign of peace. (I guess she would still get pregnant several times in her second marriage with a Lannister). Even if Alicent rejected this offer, it would be harder this time, with the many allies Rhaenyra would have. Like House Arryn, Baratheon, Lannister, Velaryon, etc. More than half of the realm would side with her.

I'm not denying that it would be risky for rhaenyra to marry someone from Dorne, but it would show she is someone who can manage the politics of the kingdom, and if she does it without loss of life even better, but you are right there is the risk that the people would despise this match as is what happened with Dareon II, that would be a risk rhaenyra would have to be willing to take. The only other way I could see her avoiding a succession war is by marrying Aegon. Otherwise I don't feasibly see rhaenyra avoiding a succession war.@@adaroez

I actually don't think he's a fool to remarry. He needs spares so that's why he remarried and started having children. Rhaenyra may be his heir, and future queen, but she's a woman who will have to bear heirs on her own. It's not such uncommon thing for women to die in childbirth (Rhaenyra's mother died this way, other queens have died this way in the Westeros history). Viserys was a fool to think that the realm was ready for a WOMAN (Queen) ruler; however. He should've consolidated the position by (I know this is EW), marrying Aegon to Rhaenyra. Yup. Gross af for our standard (the whole incest and age issue), but y'know, they're Targaryens. This way, it's forced them to rule together... The problem would be that Rhaenyra would be too 'old' to start having children. 15 yrs different, right? So if Aegon was 15-16 when he married Rhae, she'd be in her 30s to start having heirs/children...

@@tracys169 My thoughts exactly. He couldn't risk losing his only heir in childbirth. Marrying Rheanyra and Aegon was the best option, but in the show the age difference made it almost impossible. In the book the age gap was smaller, so Rhaenyra would still be in her mid 20's while marrying Aegon. Late for Westeros standards, true, but still in safe age have children.

Yeah, I think we’re pretty much at that point in the story. I really enjoyed her character arc so far, but what do I know? I’m just a misogynist for not liking She-Skulk and Rings of Boredom. 😉

@@BrettSmashy NO One likes She Hulk or Rings of power

Based Brett.

Thought I'd remind you you were right

It's never mentioned again in the show so it's assumed that yes she did

He somehow thought people would literally just overlook the bastard children and the fact he a firstborn son dumbest king on god 🤣😭🤦‍♂️

Rhenys was already married with children and visreys was married with a child on the way. The issue arose since all of Jahareys children either died or were ineligible for the throne so it came down to which of the grand children should rule. He never expected it to be a problem so he did not make them marry.

Nah what should have happened is Viserys should have married her to his brother Daemon

She never ruled Westeros

​@kincaidwolf5184 she ruled for a year

The bottom line is Vaegon would've never desired the throne and if he did he would've been a terrible king plus he was so unlikeable someone would've poisoned him sooner or later.

You mean Rheanyra not Rhaenys? Because Rhaenys was married to Corlys?

It's mostly showrunners desicion to focus on this subject instead of exploring the politics of Targaryen dynasty.

Because it was a plot line in the books? That despite Rheanyra being firstborn, she wasn't even considered because of her gender?

It's because of the time period the story has been written in. Just think about it aegon the conqueror was the middle child and visenya was the eldest yet it was aegon who became king and 300 years later people remember him as the conqueror, while his sisters are mentioned as an afterthought. He is widely remembered even though he didn't do it alone.

Definitely good dialogue!

not that good

​@@captainpinky8307 By far better than any other show out right, especially fantasy. Objectively

​@@CleverChinaI can name several shows that were better at the time.

Shut up with this woke b.s !!! You can't even define woke