Pro-Ject VC-E Compact Record Cleaning Machine Review - As good as the VC-S2 ALU?

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Does the VC-E compact record cleaning machine from Pro-Ject match up to its bigger brother, the VC-S2 ALU?
After recently reviewing the VC-S2 ALU, Sound Matters put the small compact design through its paces.
The only difference between the VC-S2 and the VC-E is the chassis. The former has a large 2.5l tank, while the latter features a much smaller 0.5l version.
In the end, we settled on the VC-E for its compact design which is more suitable for home use.
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@soundmatters 11 месяцев назад

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@dennisw4654 2 года назад

Have been using the Project VC-E for over a year now. One easy modification I made to make the cleaning more controlled was to place a narrow piece of tape on the top clamp from the center out so I could count the revolutions as I cleaned and vacuumed. The other application tip is to clean side b first so when flipped over the exhaust further dries the side prior to placing on TT.

@HarryLoveTV 2 года назад

Nice tip. Have you had any vent issues with condensation or splashing? This is the 1 issue that has me on the fence

@dennisw4654 2 года назад

@@HarryLoveTV I have had no issues. My typical use is 1 to 3 albums in a session. From what I has seen on you tube and read in reviews that only can occur when cleaning many multiple records in succession. Otherwise the fluid build up is minimal and evaporates before I use it agin the next time.

@mikewest1542 Год назад

@@HarryLoveTV after not using this for a few weeks I found that the vent hole WAS causing condensation, I now use the plastic see through device ( size of a record) . Now at the beginning and end of the record the vacuum is not drying in these areas which I’ve heard before , I could be sending this back , this is not what I wanted !

@hernandomunoz429 2 года назад

Hey man thank you for the demo. i have been on the fence about getting one but this helps me a lot. thank you for making this video.

@giorgioformicola5287 2 года назад

Project engineers must have some sort of a problem placing the air output underneath the record. At least a 100 solutions were available.

@wildebassman 2 года назад

Great review. One question, how long will the felt strips on the arm last?

@mjallenuk 2 года назад

That's quite the review.... cheers. Off to read that feature on cleaning!

@soundmatters 2 года назад

Thanks Matt - glad you found it helpful :)

@FendersRule Год назад

The hole on the top is an easy DIY fix. Apparently you can stick a 20mm PVC elbow in it. Solved with less than $1. No reason to go with the larger, more expensive one.

@stijnzimny5097 4 месяца назад

I owned two Pro-ject VC-E record cleaners. Both defect within 1.5 years each !

@misteryoldschooldj976 9 месяцев назад

Ty for this video,i have a question: What is the recommended amount of soap with the distilled water?ty

@mikewest1542 2 года назад

Great video, just one question, could I use a paint pad instead of a Goat haired brush as a lot of people recommend this process .

@soundmatters 2 года назад

What material is the paint pad? My preference, increasingly, is to use GrooveWasher's "Black Magic" pad instead of the goats hair brush to apply the fluid. This gives me some gentle mechanical cleaning before I apply the vac.

@LloydCapital Год назад

A lot of questions about the plate shield, and here's another ... Is there also a benefit to having a rigid support surface beneath the record to keep the vinyl from bending during the cleaning process? It seems like the vinyl could use some support when vacuuming, brushing, etc. Any thoughts on this, @soundmatters ?

@soundmatters Год назад

There are pros and cons. The vent, undoubtedly, could have been better placed. As for having a solid platter: there’s more chance of spreading dust/dirt from one record to the next, but it does provide a more solid platform. Happy spinning and enjoy the music 🎶 🎄

@LloydCapital Год назад

Makes sense, thanks. With the amount of people using this model and also the bigger VC-S2 (no platter provided), I guess I haven't seen any reviews citing issues of excessive bending or warping. So seems like it must not be a major issue.

@fossil9559 Год назад

I've had my VC-E compact for a while now , and I noticed the condensation problem , I guess I have an early one without the shield , But I cobbled together a deflector out of an old CD case which diverts the air to the side , not pretty but effective 🙂

@soundmatters Год назад

Cool - yea, I need to make one, as I hate the supplied plastic disc. Otherwise, this unit works great

@nattyco 2 года назад

Thanks great video. Does it clean as well as the more expensive model?

@uktumbleweed 2 года назад

Just bought one of these. It came with the clear plate to protect the underside of the lp. Cleaned a record that had some crackle and a skip. After using the machine, it played perfectly. It was amazing. The machine is super loud so I had to wear ear defenders to clean the record. Accessories included a clear large t-shaped piece of plastic. Do you know what is that for?

@soundmatters 2 года назад

Cool. Glad it's working well for you. Mine didn't come with a t-shaped piece of plastic, so I'm not sure on that one.

@rivetdaigre1423 Год назад

mine also came with the plastic T shape. Any luck figuring out what it is?

@violetasuarezcapri4258 2 года назад

Thanks for the video. Any comments on the condensation that forms in between the shield and the record? ( mentioned by Jim Mower in your replies section), And Any other updated coments? Are you Still happy? Are there Any other compact alternatives like this one but a bit less flawed? I'm unsire i should be getting it ,,,Any guidance would be super appreciated. Thanks again

@ianbarrett7869 2 года назад

Just got one of these. Says not to use other cleaning fluids but I'm sure that's so you'll keep buying projects?

@wildebassman 2 года назад

I am using Tonar Qsa fluid, not using pro-ject fluid.

@ruffneckflava2988 Год назад

One question: How to empty the water from the tank once it is full? I've tried anyway, and I can't get the water out of it, it's getting stinky thanks.

@papoosee 2 года назад

How long do you think it'll last? Most people say that the motor only lasts 2 years max before giving out.

@soundmatters 2 года назад

No issues with mine so far, but I have heard some unhappy customers. I'll be sure to update if it packs in on me. Thankfully, not yet

@homerjones3291 5 месяцев назад

I use a 10-inch junk record on the spinner to give the dirty record sone support and to keep the underside dry.

@homerjones3291 4 месяца назад

Mine now sounds like a jet taking off! So loud! Took it apart and saw that two of the three plastic motor mounts were broken, so I super Glued the pieces back together with metal washers on top. I oiled the motor but never got to determine if that helped because the unit no longer works - probably switched the wires around on the On/Off switch and hosed up something.

@joostdemoor138 Год назад

what's your thoughts on combining a vaccuum-based RCM with something similar to a Knosti Antistat? I.e. giving it a good brush with the Knosti, and then vaccuuming it with this? Or is that overkill?

@soundmatters Год назад

Hi Joost. Thanks for your comment. If you own a vacuum RCM, I'd say it's just adding unnecessary hard work. I'd just clean the record twice with the vacuum RCM if I thought it needed further cleaning. But that's just me

@joostdemoor138 Год назад

@@soundmatters Thanks a lot for the quick and clear reply. I'll give it a try!

@stevezimmerman6996 Год назад

Thanks for creating this video. I bought this machine recently and it does a good job - but I have never been able to get a record completely dry on just one revolution each way. It takes 6-8 rotations at the least.

@EdlyLeMar 2 года назад

personally I would take the vacuum arm out and check the velvet for any grit after each side. The force it clamps down with on the record could cause serious damage during rotation.

@alexcox4993 2 года назад

Currently have a disco antistat, which I use a mixture of Distilled water, pure alcohol and a few drops of wetting agent, which I get impressive results from followed by a rinse with just distilled water, I would be really interested to know what gains (if any) would be by purchasing this (and I am very tempted especially when there are 20% offers on auction sites), but I keep thinking that all I am paying a big outlay for is the vacuum element, so just convenience rather than any benefit cleaning wise. So far I am yet to see a comparison between something like this and a manual cleaner which would be great. Great review though

@justinparkman3585 2 года назад

It's definitely better I got both

@violetasuarezcapri4258 2 года назад

Careful. LOTS OF people have reported it damages labels. I had one . Several records ruined.

@stijnzimny5097 2 года назад

How long should this device lasts ? Mine was completely defect after 7 months. My second arrived yesterday.

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

Done properly it should last a lifetime but apparently this one is not judging by the amount of complaints.

@Brighamdoc Год назад

I read too many reviews that complained of the machine breaking down at 1 year Decide to avoid

@larsfeistkorn9001 2 года назад

We should hear what the machine sounds like. Switching off the very loud vacuum machine in favour of some overdubbed music and spoken words gives us a very comfortable yet wrong impression of this important phase of the cleaning process. Many find the volume produced by the machine annoying. But thanks for the video nevertheless, it explains well and relaxed all the rest we need to know.

@soundmatters 2 года назад

Noted! I guess it is kinda noisy. Even the HumminGuru ultrasonic has quite an irritating high-pitched noise

@paulknight1248 2 года назад

I had that issue with the exhaust port putting moisture back onto the record from the very first time I cleaned a record (empty tank) so sent it back and got the larger version which has been all good,plus I didn't get the disk like you showed there to cover the port

@playbackvintagehifihunter9669 2 года назад

Hi, does it include the distilled water? Thanks

@soundmatters 2 года назад

No distilled water included, but in the video this was a secondary stage required for some record cleaning fluids. If you're using the stock 'Wash-it" fluid from Pro-Ject (which they do include), you don't need to use distilled water. Hope this helps.

@playbackvintagehifihunter9669 2 года назад

@@soundmatters thank you

@hoobsgroove 2 года назад

don't use a disinfectant wetting agent, when cleaning your records it will leave traces behind and can't be removed by rinsing and it's hard to remove!! and use deionised water. just use some soap like for washing your car not dish soap! couple of drops

@playbackvintagehifihunter9669 2 года назад

@@hoobsgroove thank you. Appreciate that!

@hoobsgroove 2 года назад

@@playbackvintagehifihunter9669 that's why people hear different sound when record is clean by using different wetting agents!! I forgot to say you might like to nearly bring it to the boil the deionised water because it does contain bacteria I'm not sure that's live or dead, the minute you open a bottle of distilled water bacteria will get in there from the air so not much there, but deionised or non-deionised water it's not the same as distilled, is mineral free salt free. i always put a bit of isopropanol 10% in my water but some people don't like to do that. when filtering water you can use coffee filters and the coffee funnel, or you could use a standard funnel, I generally use two filters at a time and I soak them in isopropanol to kill bacteria. when putting back into bottle. leave the bottle on a windowsill so the sun can get it that will kill bacteria as well

@BeatleJohn813 Год назад

Hi , would the VC-E or the VC- S2 ALU clean all types vinyl size ( 7’’ , 10’’ , 12’’ ). ?

@soundmatters Год назад

There's a 7" size arm you can buy as an add on. As far as I know they don't have a 10" version sadly. Hope this helps

@BeatleJohn813 Год назад

@@soundmatters Many thanks for your help

@headlinerhub Год назад

@@BeatleJohn813 - no worries and happy spinning :)

@Digginjim 2 года назад

Moisture condenses on the rear of the record on every single use for me. Even if the tank is pretty much empty. If I use the shield, water condense on the shield and between the record…

@axelsblues 2 года назад

Same for me too. I’m amazed the video does not pick up on this! The warm moist air blows up on the underside, every single time. It’s good that the little shield is there!

@tomo1993tb 2 года назад

Same problem here clean a lot of vinyl i use a plastic lid to vent it to the side theres always condensation small spots if you look with good light on the vinyl without using something to cover the exhaust vent

@mikewest1542 Год назад

@@tomo1993tb yes this is a problem with this machine , I have about 7 days to take back but do I buy the inferior record doctor machine instead which has none of these problems?

@homerjones3291 5 месяцев назад

Need a fix for the increase of motor noise.

@soundmatters 4 месяца назад

I have heard several complaints about increase in motor noise. I think they addressed this with the new one with stainless components. It was a bit silly to use anything that can rust in such a machine really

@lauher21 2 года назад

I have a lot of problems with gunk on my needle after using this machine. Any help would be great

@wildebassman 2 года назад

Must be the cleaning fluid, I use Tonar Qsa fluid, no problems at all.

@lauher21 2 года назад

Were do you get it at

@wildebassman 2 года назад

I buy it in Holland where I live. Been using it for years very good stuff.

@wildebassman 2 года назад

@Nigel Day must be the cleaning fluid, never had such problems.

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

Use distilled (or even - cooked) water with some IPA and a few drops of dishwashing soap. Works wonders. Knosti fluid also leaves gunk.

@mrmods7912 Год назад

You always seem to promote company's from the states like groovewasher... Are these items available in the u.k? If not, what are the import postage charges?

@soundmatters Год назад

Where are you based? You can get groovewasher products from Juno Records in the U.K. for example

@mrmods7912 Год назад

@@soundmatters thanks !!

@soundmatters Год назад

@@mrmods7912 happy spinning 🎶

@davidmedlin57 2 года назад

Is there still space between shield and record if using shield?

@quarryfield 2 года назад

Great video mate thanks. I think I'm going to go with the larger version, even though its $750 at the moment here in the US. I really cant understand why they put the vent beneath the record. Otherwise, the compact version looks great and I'm sure its got the same components inside. I try to buy as much European stuff as possible such as Rega, Chord etc. Kind regards, Paul....a Yorkshire Yank :-)

@soundmatters 2 года назад

Thanks! If you've got the space and the budget, the larger unit is best :)

@quarryfield 2 года назад

@@soundmatters I did buy the larger version, but unfortunately it leaked used fluid underneath the chassis so I returned it. I'm now going to buy the VC-E instead seeing as it does the same job, with a smaller footprint. Apparently, the vacuum and motor are the same. Here in the US the voltage is only 110v and I do wonder if I plugged it into my 220v UK transformer whether it would be much more powerful. The voltage rating in the handbook says 110v or 220v but maybe the ones exported to the US are just for 110v. I'm very wary of trying it ha ha I'm going to make a simple diverter from a plastic plumbing elbow to ensure no condensation problem... should be easy enough.

@mikeKempMKB666 2 года назад

The warm air from the vent makes sure it is completely dry.

@mikewest1542 Год назад

@@mikeKempMKB666 , nope , all it does is put condensation on the underneath of the record !

@mikeKempMKB666 Год назад

@@mikewest1542 I have never had this problem, maybe it is because I have it sited next to a window which is usually open in the day.

@violetasuarezcapri4258 2 года назад

Damn ... ireally need a record clener and just cant decide myself for this, due to the stupid design flaw (vent exhaust placed on the upper panel). Shame. Otherwise id buy one today. Not even the idea theyb give you a cover to 'remedy' this helps. I dont want my records on a hard plsatic surface. I wonder if the design engineer got a payrise?

@zerowaf 2 года назад

Pro ject record cleaner. Nice...I really liked mine! Almost perfect! Mine worked for 3 months or maybe 100 records before it get broken. People in Pro-ject think that I have no warranty rights because I bought it online in another EU country.. I also live in the EU but obviously, Pro ject thinks that warranty is for pussies.

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

Thank you for this review, that's a hard pass for me. Good to know how they handle warranty.

@zerowaf 2 года назад

@@puciohenzap891 Thanks! Must write how it finished. As I wrote that on more places on www, Pro ject sent me another motor unit to me in order I fix it myself. Okay. When I opened the VCs i saw that motor unit inside was glues with something silicin like. Obviousky ba hand. It means that someone had "repaired" that motor that failed on me and this VCs is sold to me. No wonder that it broke in few months down the line I still don't have functional unit as I had lost my pictures of internal cabling and now I can not assrmble it but I don't want to beg Pro ject for any help anymore. I am a bit sad because of fact that there is no chance in hell any other Pro ject item can come into my house because they still have interesting stuff on paper but I don't trust them any more. Selling lousy repaired unit to foreign customer is everything one needs to know to understand what for a company they are

@violetasuarezcapri4258 2 года назад

Alex Cox: The KNOSTI ANTISTAT DISCO ended up damaging a lot of the labels on my records

@puciohenzap891 2 года назад

The new ones have a protector for that but the outside edge of the label still gets wet.

@mattryan7688 2 года назад

That’s the small one ?!?!?!?

@user-mo9mt6yu8y 2 года назад

Dude you need to add one more question mark

@mattryan7688 2 года назад

@@user-mo9mt6yu8y ?

@user-mo9mt6yu8y 2 года назад

@@mattryan7688 two more man

@exodusvelo 2 года назад

this machines dries the record, but does not clean it, you clean it yourself, with the brush, it just rotates the record, TT already does that... Get an ultrasonic machine, or use the TT. My two cents.

@stijnzimny5097 2 года назад

... it cleans it !